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Verisign Develops Token for Age Verification
FirstTimeCaller writes "A Reuters article is reporting that Verisign in conjunction with an unnamed children's safety group, will release a USB token that can be plugged into a PC to verify the age and gender of a person participating in online chat rooms. According to the article, the token will be available free to students in a handful of schools this fall. School administrators will provide a list of students, with their ages and genders, and VeriSign will encode that information onto the tokens."
Now instead of just faking up my ID, I can steal someone elses. All it takes is enough drink and the right students.
Still this security thing is jsut a laugh really isn`t it?
sigh.....
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This is the dumbest idea in the history of mankind: verifyably identifying children as such on the Internet. Unless, of course, they are trying to help pedophiles find targets that they *know* are too young to be FBI agents.
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So, not only are students going to be forced to carry yet another form of ID, but they'll also have to give a third-party company (Verisign in this case) detailed personal information.
What about student's rights - they have the right to enter chat rooms, etc.
I can envision the next step - restricting web sites based upon age, then it will be restricting web pages based upon being a student, finally, just restricting overall.
Luckily, we won't have to worry about this being a wide-spread problem - the system is too flawed to go very far; however, I feel for those that WILL be made to use it.
Bottom line is that NOBODY should HAVE to use this system - somehow it should infringe upon their right to freedom of assembly. Albeit, a *virtual* assembly, it's an assembly!
I agree it's a dumb idea--but I think it's really a segue into some companies requiring these tokens for everyone who wants to do business with them. The Federal government, for example, has been trying to figure out for years a practial way to give each citizen a public key to be able to, for example, apply for Social Security benefits or file a FEMA claim online. But since the easiest place to put a public key, a National ID card, spawns (rightfully) mention of the Book of Revelation happens every time it's mentioned, USB keys could be an alternative.
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Well, I can't get a credit card at all (20 years old) due to bad credit.
Not a very good system.
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is to adults. You can't prove you are an adult and thus entitled to something more by NOT having one of these.
The goal to Verisign is obvious -- once they are widespread, you try to get first libraries and then other places to require the use of the "KEY" to use the system to prove your age. As an adult, you'd "need" one, and thus have to pay for it.
Also, its a good first step toward a "universal" (as if) public key. Ideally, imagine something like the Post Office being able to assign a public/private key to you. That's what everyone wanted with these keychain java keyring things talked about in the 90's.
Personally, I hate seeing verisign being given this contract, but I'm not sure someone shouldn't have it.
I'd like to see a U.N. sponsored standard, with countries and or businesses able to register as registrars. The SSL key distribution system we have now works pretty well (if overly expensive).
At a minimum, that same system applied to people as apposed to web server names would go a long way.
Yes, I know all the usual issues apply -- how do you prove its YOU with the key, etc. Lots of discussion on that (which is off topic) and other things. Privacy? What about additional private certificate keys? Well, why not all those things.
Personal ID should have a data component for public key.
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This is NOT a step in protecting anything.
1) For a child to be protected, they MUST have the fob.
2) They must use it on presribed machines with the right software.
3) Some big brother is watching out for them.
What this really is a step to personally "brand" everyone. Just like RFID in clothes or under the skin or the tatoos of Germany.
Further you can only be "safe", if you are willing to "pay" for it, including tracking every one of your habits on net.
Besides the "problem" of pedophiles in "chat rooms" being completely overblown
You're right. Most pedophiles attack children they know: their own, their family's children or their neighours.
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Just check the online ID before persuing the child??
Doubt it, they'll most likely be able to get fake tokens to use online. The main problem may be that they'll need multiple tokens as they can't be the same "child" constantly as their cover might be blown from time to time (after busts for instance).That's gonna cut into the FBI's stake-outs, isn't it?
Other than that it probably won't matter, if you read the details of the busts the police do make from online contacts the guys were total morons to start with. They didn't arrest some horrid child predator, they arrest some moron who likes kids but isn't bright enough to be successful at it. I'm quite sure the real dangers are far sneakier, after all they know the feds are watching the chat rooms too. Additionally the statistics show that most kids are sexually abused by someone they know, generally family, so online predation isn't what the cops really need to worry about, it's just a way to make it appear they're doing something about the problem.
And for those of you across the pond with no idea what he's talking about, it's a misquote from an episode of Brass Eye, in which Chris Morris demonstrates exceedingly well that people are more than willing to suspend their higher brain functions when someone mentions "Please, won't someone think of the children"
from the transcript of that episode.
SYD RAPSON (MP Labour) : We believe that paedophiles are using an area of the internet the size of Ireland and through this they can control keyboards.
RICHARD BLACKWOOD (comedian/musician) : Online paedophiles can actually make your keyboard release toxic vapours that make you suggestible. (sniffs keyboard) You know I must say I actually feel more suggestible and that's just from one sniff.
Also, what about people that don't feel comfortable giving out their credit card information for age verification purposes? I don't want my credit card information all over the web.
... the one made out of shiny flexible metal.
This is just another example of conditioning the younger generation. Get them used to big brotherism and total surveillence/command & control. Goes along with acceptance of constant TV camera monitoring, using a thumb scanner to get a school lunch (how pavlovian can you get?) and other sorts of brainwashed response mechanisms.
We've already got the adult population conditioned to accept things that would have caused lynch mobs 100 years ago, like "random courtesy checkpoints" on the roads.
To the goons, the elite controllers, it's just part of the system, they want willing sheep, controllable herds, and the younger they get them brainwashed the better, then it's "acceptable and normal".
Hey, here's an idea! Why don't we drug the kids in the schools as well? Then we can make them even MORE controllable!
Oh ya, they do that too. Funny how all that stuff ties together.
Exactly.
Freedom has a price. The freedom to travel freely, however you want to, means that a few thousand people a year will die in car accidents. The freedom to speak your mind means that somewhere, sometime, some folks are going to abuse that freedom and incite a riot during which people die. The freedom to keep and bear arms means that some people will be wrongfully shot.
You can't have the good without the bad.
So, yeah, it's not exactly no big deal that only a few dozen kids get hurt a year, but that's certainly nowhere near enough justification to sanction any mechanism that may be even a precursor (as has been pointed out in other postings) to restraining the electronic means of exercising our right to freedom of speech and association.
The point I was trying to make (I realize it didn't come across very clearly) is that they are doing this all wrong. They should only have to provide a count of how many keys of each type they need and V provides them with X keys for 6 yearold males, etc. But it sounds more like they are taking the other approach and using a key with a unique id that links to a database of name age and gender.
The former would do what they seem to want without giving out unnecessary amounts of data to verisign, but the latter is VERY dangerous indeed.
What's to stop this unique ID from being used to collect all kinds of data on the children? who controlls the servers that do the authentication? if it's the school it's not so big a deal if it's some other org (especially Verisign) I'd be very wary of it's use.
When people with bad credit grow up psychologically and find help to get out of debt, that's when you should start treating them as adults, and not a moment before. There are plenty of organizations to help people in those situations. All they have to do is pick up the phone and take responsibility. It's a long, slow process back to fiscal solvency, but going through it proves responsibility and maturity in a way that bankruptcy and other cheap fixes don't.
By contrast, if a fifteen-year-old (as mentioned in another post in this thread) is responsible enough to manage his/her own finances without overspending, he/she should be treated as an adult because he/she is acting in a responsible fashion befitting an adult. (The rare occasion is the fifteen-year-old son or daughter of a multi-millionaire who spends without remorse, but fortunately, these are pretty easy to spot for the most part. :-)
In short, age verification by credit card is a much better method than actual physical age because it more accurately reflects the maturity of the individual, which is generally the purpose of an age verification system....
Oh my. I'm starting to sound like my parents....
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