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Rescue Rats to Find Buried Victims

adaminnj writes "Rats are being trained to sniff out the buried victims of earthquakes and bomb blasts and could be sent to search for survivors in the same way as dogs. The idea of being rescued by a rat may not appeal to many people, but they have the advantage of being able to crawl almost anywhere and slip through small holes and crevices. Like dogs, they also have a highly acute sense of smell. But to be successful rescuers, they must be able to home in on victims and signal their position to waiting rescue teams."

183 comments

  1. rats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    talk about being ratted out

    1. Re:rats? by severoon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure I like where this is going. I'm trapped deep in a pile of rubble, waiting to be rescued...

      Ah! A rescue rat...I'm saved! Hey...what are you doing little guy? Augh! No! MY EYES!!! NOOooOOoo!
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    2. Re:rats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just picture South Park Kenny eaten by the rats

    3. Re:rats? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      My thought exactly. The rats aren't looking to rescue survivors. They will be looking for food.

  2. small dogs by IAR80 · · Score: 0

    Why not resque teckels or resque chihuahuas?

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    1. Re:small dogs by Jouser · · Score: 1

      The idea of being rescued by a rat may not appeal to many people, but they have the advantage of being able to crawl almost anywhere and slip through small holes and crevices.

    2. Re:small dogs by polecat_redux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they have the advantage of being able to crawl almost anywhere and slip through small holes and crevices.

      So do ferrets. But I'd imagine they're too cute for most people to want to set them free in burning rubble.

    3. Re:small dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean rescue?

    4. Re:small dogs by Dick+Faze · · Score: 1

      Plus the furry bastard will play with your jewelry for 20 minutes before he alerts the rescue crew to your whereabouts.

  3. Perfect by Skiron · · Score: 5, Funny

    And if the person is dead, eat them, thus saving costly search 'n' find excursion parties.

    1. Re:Perfect by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Everyone's making these jokes about rats. Companies use them to test poisonous chemicals. They supposedly carry diseases.

      As crazy as it sounds, nobody give these animals any credit. If it was not for mice testing, your hairspray may cost $100 a bottle. And people spread disesases too, so why blame the poor thing. Finally someone have figured out a way to use them for a new purpose.

    2. Re:Perfect by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

      And if the person's not dead, they've got something to eat while they wait for rescue. Afterall rat burgers taste OK according to Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man.

    3. Re:Perfect by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1
      If it was not for mice testing, your hairspray may cost $100 a bottle.

      This gives me an image of a lab full of mice with 'Flock of Seagulls' hair.
      *Shudder*

    4. Re:Perfect by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      As crazy as it sounds, nobody give these animals any credit.

      One rodent gets a lot of credit. Royalties too. M-I-C-K-E-Y-M-O-U-S-E

  4. Time machine by microsopht · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Is this what is called reeling back on Time machine? I thought i was living in year 2004...

    what about the things called ROBOTS - that are continuosly researched upon?
    Not to 4get the unmanned robot race competitions held in USA every year [ if i remember correctly ,tha ttoo in desert!]

    1. Re:Time machine by caldfyr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you confusing probes with robots? Too many people call mindless automatons robots. A robot, at least in my mind, needs some kind of intelligence. I'm not sure that our current ability to create an AI, in a package small enough to move around under rubble, is even remotely feasible right now. Rats are light. They are smart enough to do tasks when trained. They are agile enough to have a good chance of not killing themselves on dangerous surfaces. Robots are cool, but let's be realistic. Save a life any way you can.

    2. Re:Time machine by polecat_redux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Rats are light. They are smart enough to do tasks when trained.

      Not only that, but rats are also dirt-cheap - unlike an equally-equipped "robot" would be. Yeah, this is the 21st century, and humans do think they rule the planet, but nature really does have a head start on us.

      Besides, robots would just eat old people's medicine for fuel.

    3. Re:Time machine by desertfish · · Score: 1

      Well, if you use a robot you're not exploiting a rat's life.

  5. Interesting... by kjones692 · · Score: 5, Funny

    To me, the most interesting thing about this is how they "train rats to feel pleasure at the smell of humans", then monitor their brains for any pleasure stimulus.

    But what happens when they come running to find that the rat has uncovered the world's largest cache of underground cheese?

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    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but you see when a rat experiences a pleasure of that caliber, it releases several cubic meters of ejaculate. The search and rescue teams have small purple toads that turn magenta if they come within 100 meter radius of rat sperm. You should RTFA more carefully.

    2. Re:Interesting... by caldfyr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks for the laugh :)

      That's a valid question, though. I wonder how they would deal with that. Do you think rats might have a developed enough emotional system to allow a monitor to discern between happiness at a job well done, as compared to, "cheeeeeeeeeese"?

      I have to wonder if we're capable of emulating animal brains and just don't know it yet. It seems to me that we could feasibly create something in a small package, maybe terrier sized (gotta have room for batteries) that uses 400hz power (for efficiency) and instead of a single processor, uses a ton of tiny simple processors with specialized tasks. I'm sure it will take us awhile to create an AI simple and efficient enough to drive that system on a comperable level with a live rat, but an inquisitive bug that relays sensor data while exploring everything around it might be plausible.

      hm... time to head to the patent office

    3. Re:Interesting... by zev1983 · · Score: 1

      So your saying noone would be rescued if a cheese factory collapsed.

    4. Re:Interesting... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you think they could train them to find my damn cell phone - I mean, they're getting so small that they're harder to find than a remote control.

    5. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad you totally forgot about sensors! Good luck fitting a gas chromatograph into your chihuahua-sized, battery-powered robot. It's not the rat's/dog's brains we care about, it's the nose.

    6. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could train a rat to find anything if you rewarded it for doing so. So if you wanted your rat to find your phone--yes, theoretically you could put a cell in front of it, reward it; move the remote a little further away and reward the rat when it came up to it; etc. It would take a couple of weeks before your rat was searching all over the house to find your phone.

      Now, returning the phone (without chewing on it) or telling you where it was...that's another story.

      Personally, my rat would deconstruct the phone into a pile of plastic and metal shreds, but taking things apart is his particular mania.

      Which is an example of why you'd want to breed these rats selectively for the ones that were smart, responsive, and not prone to chewing on things.

    7. Re:Interesting... by MourningBlade · · Score: 1

      I own two female pet rats, and let me tell you: they believe in higher purpose. When they get it into their heads that something is really neat, or interesting, you cannot distract them with enough food. Well, not for long.

      Friend of mine occaisionally comes over, and he's allergic to the rats so doesn't want them on him. Problem is that the rats think he's really neat, so they'll constantly try to get on him, whether that involves flying leaps from the couch to his chair, climbing a pants leg, or just persistance, they'll do it.

      I don't think training pet rats to find people would be all that difficult. The discipline to stick around an unconscious human and not go off to play would be the harder part.

      One thing going for them, though, is that rats feel nervous in any unknown environment, and if you could generalize their sense of comfort at being around humans (ie instead of just ones they're familiar with), it would probably work well.

    8. Re:Interesting... by MourningBlade · · Score: 1

      My pet rats once went through the entire couch, pulling out everything they found and bringing it to me. This apparently was a fun game for them.

      Things they found: pens, pencils, a plastic ring like you'd get at the fair, several G. I. Joe guns and parts, a small film negative, a toothpick, and several other things I don't remember.

      Funny thing is that the pens and pencils are just about all I can explain. The others look about 5+ years old, at least. It's like an archeological dig. For rats.

      One of the rats used to like pulling around my car keys, but thank goodness that game got old, and the keys now stay where I put them.

      So, yeah, I bet they could find your cell phone.

    9. Re:Interesting... by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Things they found: pens, pencils, a plastic ring like you'd get at the fair, several G. I. Joe guns and parts, a small film negative, a toothpick, and several other things I don't remember.
      I notice they kept all the money (small change, etc) they found. Smart rats :-)
    10. Re:Interesting... by PhraudulentOne · · Score: 1

      May I have a GMail invite? ;)

      Puhleeeeeze

      31337@tcc.on.ca

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  6. nibbled, not saved by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 4, Funny

    hope they don't train them with cheese.

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    1. Re:nibbled, not saved by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      If you feel the eartquake go at the fridge and get a piece of cheese.

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  7. Hmm ... and emergency rood for the trapped victim by hattig · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hurrah! A rat, something to eat and drink at last!

    Dunno what this transmitter thing is, must have got trapped around the creature somewhere..."

  8. Are these *robotic* rats? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

    Are these the robotic rats we heard of earlier?

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    1. Re:Are these *robotic* rats? by irokitt · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but there is an upgrade that would introduce frickin' laser beams (on their foreheads)!

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  9. Just imagine... by katpurz · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..trapped under 12 feet of concrete rubble, not being able to move, and a rat is gnawing at your face...

    oh joy

    1. Re:Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In communist Russia, YOU eat the rat.

    2. Re:Just imagine... by ilovelinux · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I was thinking but you beat me to it by a wide margin. No thanks, I'll wait a couple more hours instead of having rats running around my face.

      Talk about making a lousy situation even worse.

    3. Re:Just imagine... by magefile · · Score: 1

      Fine, you win, 2+2=5.

    4. Re:Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that just last year they came up with a wonderful new device called a "muz-zel" or something like that. It's not surprising you haven't heard of one, being such a recent invention.

    5. Re:Just imagine... by neonmagic · · Score: 1

      oh please...domestic rats are rather nice. They don't eat humans, they'd most probably sniff you, lick you and then groom you. They're highly social animals, highly intelligent and very loving. I can't believe /. posts shit stories like this... Dave

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  10. Appeal by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea of being rescued by a rat may not appeal to many people

    I bet it'd appeal more to most people than 'don't be rescued' though...

  11. Also for mines by Karamchand · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rats can also be used to search for buried mines. You might want to read this interesting NYT article about it. It was featured on slashdot some months ago, IIRC.

    1. Re:Also for mines by thellamaman · · Score: 1

      Plus, when they accidentally miss one and blow up, well hey, you've still got 50 more rats in the cage.

    2. Re:Also for mines by cfuse · · Score: 1
      Rats can also be used to search for buried mines.

      Yeah, and unlike dogs (or small children), nobody complains if they find them (kaboom).

  12. One small problem they have yet to fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, they haven't yet found a way from stopping the rats from chewing the faces off of the victims they find. I'm definitely waiting for the service pack.

    1. Re:One small problem they have yet to fix by caldfyr · · Score: 1

      but in he service pack they only specify to not chew on "faces", which simply leaves tons of other options.

  13. great.... by k3v0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unless your name is Winston Smith shout out to George Orwell

  14. Rats running telecom and network cables... by `Sean · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of an article that was pinned up in the copy room at Lucent in Allentown a while ago about rats that had been trained to run telecom and network cables through existing ductwork in schools. It was quite a few years ago so I forget the specifics, but it looked rather cool. Google has been unhelpful for the moment, but I'm still searching for more information.

    1. Re:Rats running telecom and network cables... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Did they use the indigenous rats?

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    2. Re:Rats running telecom and network cables... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There is a story like this about ferrets, rather than rats. During the coronation of Elizabeth II, BBC TV engineers had to run a cable under a busy London street. The only available route was a small drain.

      Their solution? They placed a mother ferret attached to a drawstring for the intended cable, at one end of the pipe, and her kittens at the other end. Naturally, she scampered the length of the pipe, drawing the drawstring behind her.

      So people who watched the telecast around Europe & the UK in part owed it to a determined ferret.

    3. Re:Rats running telecom and network cables... by rts008 · · Score: 0

      I read similar/same(?) article. In the mid 80's I worked for a construction co. that ended up remodeling a BUNCH of Radio Shack stores. We just used one of the radio controlled 4x4 trucks over the cieling tiles to pull cables and wires.

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  15. Ben.... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Funny
    Ben, the two of us need look no more
    We both found what we were looking for
    With a friend to call my own
    I'll never be alone
    And you, my friend, will see
    You've got a friend in me
    (you've got a friend in me)

    Ben, you're always running here and there
    Finding dead bodies everywhere
    If you ever look behind
    And don't like what you find
    Keep going and follow my distant calls
    Under these broken walls
    (under these broken walls)

    I used to scream "HELP!!!" and "ME"
    Now it's "us", now it's "we"
    I used to scream "HELP!!!" and "ME"
    Now it's "us", now it's "we"
    Ben, most people would turn you away
    I can't hear a word they say
    They only see you as some trouble
    Searching all this rubble
    I'm sure they'd think again
    If they had a friend like Ben

    (a friend) Like Ben
    (like Ben) Like Ben

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  16. "Rescue Rats"? by katpurz · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a new Saturday morning cartoon for kids?

    1. Re:"Rescue Rats"? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      You mean "Rescue Rangers"?

      The only thin missing from this picture is Might Mouse and Danger Mouse.

      "Here I come to save the daaaayyyyy!!!"

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    2. Re:"Rescue Rats"? by jejones · · Score: 1

      Could make for a good Thunderbirds parody. Interspecies Rescue... yeah, that's it.

  17. Re:See this from the victims point of view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well at least you finaly got something to eat

  18. Oh Rats! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeeaah, that's a good idea. Train rats to enjoy hunting down humans. This will end well, lol.

  19. Re:See this from the victims point of view by jcwren · · Score: 1

    I imagine that if they're turning loose rats, they'll use some loudspeakers or something to attempt to warn people. And I'd put the rats in an orange vest or something, where it's obviously not a wild rat. Heck, maybe the rats will be equipped with 2 way radios, so the operator can talk to the victim.

    But I'll take a little fear over being left to slowly die while trapped by a steel beam anyday.

    BTW, the movie 'Willard' has probably done more to give rats a bad name image than anything other single modern thing.

  20. sounds like a good idea by caldfyr · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a good idea to me. With our ability to attach sensors to brains in a lab environment, I'm sure that a system can monitor for the reaction a rat has when it considers itself successful at a task. When the monitoring system detects a happy rat, they have an idea of where to search for trapped victims.
    And as much as I like dogs, german shephards are a tad large for searching through rubble.

    1. Re:sounds like a good idea by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Well, originally they started with smaller dogs, like Dachshunds, but they couldn't get them to quit humping the trainer's legs or humping the victims they found in the rubble.

      Horny little bastards, that lot is.

  21. I figured they already did that by Noose+For+A+Neck · · Score: 0

    The trick, I assume, would be to train them to not eat you alive when they and their hoardes of friends find you.

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  22. Rodents in general by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've heard of stuff like this before.

    I read of a project that was training weasels, or maybe ferrets, something in that family for the same type of thing. They're naturally curious, able to squeeze through unimaginable spots, etc.

    The weasels were big enough to strap a little camera and transmitter to, and the idea was that they'd just go everywhere in the rubble.. Their natural curiosity would handle that part.

    Them biting/eating victims (another natural instinct) was a problem. So the rescue critters would be "de-fanged", or rather have their teeth filed down when it was time to actually go to work. This of course, cripples the animal for the rest of it's life but the logic is "we sacrifice a couple of chinchillas to save one human life and it's worth it".

    Of course, PETA and the like threw a fit. But even "animal lovers" look the other way when it comes to rats.

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    1. Re: Rodents in general by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > I read of a project that was training weasels, or maybe ferrets, something in that family for the same type of thing. They're naturally curious, able to squeeze through unimaginable spots, etc.

      That would be gerbils.

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    2. Re:Rodents in general by kEnder242 · · Score: 1

      Actually, birds mice and rats not considered animals under certain laws, this was done in order to make it easier to experiment on them. So while its all nice that they can complain about ferrets, PETA wouldnt have a (legal) leg to stand on for rats.

      Heres a quick google about it.

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    3. Re:Rodents in general by desertfish · · Score: 2, Informative

      Domestic rats don't just "bite victims." They're handled by humans from birth and become as docile and friendly as a well-treated dog. Mass media makes people think rats are vicious. Any wild animal will defend itself if you fuck with it.

    4. Re:Rodents in general by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      As someone who once owned a ferret, I can tell you'll they'll definitely bite when annoyed. And ferrets have locking jaws, which means that they'll clamp down - somewhat like a pit bull - and if they don't want to let go it's damned near impossible to get them off without injuring the ferret, or the person the ferret is hanging on to, or both.

      (Although I quickly learned that dunking an unruly ferret underwater, or sticking the little bastard under a shower head, will convince him to let go. They don't seem to care for either.)

      However, while ferrets will bite just about anything that irritates them, they're very picky about what they eat. And 'living human' just isn't on the menu. In fact, a lot of things you'd think would be on the menu aren't, unless they're close to starvation.

      Max

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    5. Re:Rodents in general by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chip N Dale have been Rescue Rangers for years.

    6. Re:Rodents in general by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Teeth filed down would not be crippling for life, rodent incisors grow continuously and they have to keep them ground down the same way a parrot has to with its beak. They'd have a couple weeks of difficulty, then they'd be fine.

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    7. Re:Rodents in general by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus people, weasels, minks, and ferrets are not rodents. They're both mammals that's about it.

  23. The science bit... by Seehund · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I first thought this was something else than what I've been reading about recently, and not just about using yet another trained animal.

    I thought wrong.

    The /. blurb forgot to mention that what's so special is that the rats have electrodes implanted in their brains, which send a signal to the rescuers when the rat has found what it's looking for.

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  24. bomb atack by IAR80 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you do a bomb atack also release 20 hungry cats in the area.

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    1. Re:bomb atack by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      motivate me to what?

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    2. Re:bomb atack by nusratt · · Score: 1

      foe me

  25. rending flesh microphones by number+one+duck · · Score: 4, Funny

    This one is easy. Just program a microphone to pick up on the sounds of flesh being torn from the bones of the victims, and treat this as the "Found one!" signal. Hopefully you can triangulate the position of the victim before they are fully devoured.

  26. Slowarses! by Lord+Graga · · Score: 2, Informative

    There have been rats in training since a month after september 11th (the year where al-queda struck), maybe even before, and it was in the news back then too. A quick sweep over to google will reveal that.

  27. The REAL question is ..... by UranusReallyHertz · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... can this technique be used on women to train them to seek out the smell of all us unwashed geeks and nerds!

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    1. Re:The REAL question is ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plague causes dementia, right? If so, then yes, I think they can.

  28. hardly news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This stuff has been news since at least 9/11, if not the 1993 bombing of the trade center. In fact, slashdot has had several articles about this. It's been on the news. It's been everywhere.... YEARS AGO.

    *yawn*

  29. Robots cant smell by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today, a robot wouldnt be able to detect a individual 1/2 dead person and seek them out.

    Animals do this by 2nd nature.. And they are cheap...

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    1. Re:Robots cant smell by caldfyr · · Score: 1

      Actually, robots *could* smell, if they needed to. We have electronic devices out now that attempt to compete with drug dogs. It shouldn't be that difficult (with enough research) to get them to screen for sweat, the smell of fear, microbes in breath...

    2. Re:Robots cant smell by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      And do it in a small, self contained, self powered device?

      Sure, with enough research, but trained rats might cost a few hundred million less in research.

      Kinda like the reason that we still use leeches and just started using maggots again. They do a job that we can't duplicate effectivly or economically, despite the 'ick factor'.

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    3. Re:Robots cant smell by LakeSolon · · Score: 1

      I believe "first nature" would be more accurate in this instance.

      ~Lake

  30. Article text (in case of /.'ing) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rescue rats will sniff out buried victims

    JOHN INNES

    RATS are being trained to sniff out the buried victims of earthquakes and bomb blasts and could be sent to search for survivors in the same way as dogs.

    The idea of being rescued by a rat may not appeal to many people, but they have the advantage of being able to crawl almost anywhere and slip through small holes and crevices.

    Like dogs, they also have a highly acute sense of smell.

    But to be successful rescuers, they must be able to home in on their victims and signal their position to waiting rescue teams.

    American scientists have been training rats to find human flesh irresistible.

    They are also developing a radio backpack which will transmit signals from the rats' brains to alert search leaders on the surface.

    A report on the project, funded by the Pentagon's research arm Darpa, appears in New Scientist magazine. Scientists first identified the nerve messages rats generate when they find a scent they are looking for.

    John Chapin, a neuroscientist from the State University of New York, who is taking part in the research, said: "When a dog is sniffing a bomb, he makes a unique movement that the handler recognises. Instead of the rat making a conditioned response, we pick up the response immediately from the brain."

    Each rat has electrodes implanted in three areas of the brain which process odour signals, plan movements and experience rewards.

    The scientists stimulated the reward centre to generate feelings of pleasure when the rodent's nose picked up a whiff of human flesh. In this way, the rats were trained to seek out human odours.

    They were then set to forage for a target meal while their brainwaves were monitored.

    The "aha!" moment when a rat discovered the source of the smell was identified by a particular brainwave pattern.

    As well as being able to track a rat's position from signals relayed by the radio transmitter, rescuers will also know when to start digging.

    Software being developed by the scientists will recognise the "aha!" moment when the rat has found its target.

    The team hopes to create a working rat rescue system within nine months.

  31. Better make minature barrels for their necks by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know about you, but the last thing i want to see after being buried under rubble from a collapsed building is a freakin' rat.

    They better dress these disease caddies in orange jumpsuits and affix a shot of something to a barrel under their necks.

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    1. Re:Better make minature barrels for their necks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are 01 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and me.

      Not to comment on your sig (ok, this is a comment about your sig) but...

      How can you have an and when you use 01? Perhaps that's the part of the joke that I just don't think is funny...

    2. Re:Better make minature barrels for their necks by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 1

      Yeah, um, it's a joke. They're not funny if you have to explain them.

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    3. Re:Better make minature barrels for their necks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's ok... they weren't funny before ;)

  32. Pets by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    And, like dogs, many people have white rats as pets..

    They are smart, clean, and gentle..

    Its the garden variety outdoor wild-rat that are the nasty ones that might just as well eat
    a victim than save one....

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  33. Like Nibbles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homer: A hamster ball!
    Ned: Just like the one that saved Ezekiel!

    You did it, Nibbles. Now, chew through my ball sack.
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  34. Re:Hmm ... and emergency rood for the trapped vict by Epistax · · Score: 1

    Dr. Zoidberg?

  35. You're making that up. by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

    Reason #1 : Weasels & ferrets aren't rodents at all, they're mustelids. Think skunks, otters, minks. They eat rodents, actually. And chincillas aren't even closely related to weasels, so I don't know why you're putting them all together. Reason #2 : Mustelids are all pretty particular about what they eat. (Except wolverines.) Humans are way too big. Besides, even with filed teeth, they'd probably still try to gnaw on something they thought was food.

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    1. Re:You're making that up. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Whatever, little furry scavengers crawling around in the rocks.

      I'm not making it up. Good for you for knowing so much about the classifications.

      I do know that ferrets fucking bite.

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    2. Re:You're making that up. by caldfyr · · Score: 1

      Being gnawed on doesn't sound fun, and could cause, or even worsen bleeding. Maybe, if after their brain went crazy with the "aha" response, they could stimulate the section of the brain that made them feel full.

    3. Re:You're making that up. by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      As a ferret owner, I also know that ferrets bite. However, ferrets that have been taken care of properly and handled frequently when young won't bite. The same is true for dogs, cats, and even rodents such as gerbils and hamsters, and I'm sure all animals.

      I'm sure if they were to use any animal for search and rescue, it would have had immense human contact while young and the urge to bite a human would not exist. Any notion that a search and rescue animal might devoure the discovered victim is luticrious.

      Side Note: They wouldn't file the teeth. They'd fit them with muzzles or put rubber protectors in their mouths or soemthing.

    4. Re:You're making that up. by Chmcginn · · Score: 1
      I'm not making it up. Good for you for knowing so much about the classifications.

      Well, when you post something with a.) no references b.) facts that obviously haven't been checked, and c.) contradictory statements, then you either made it all up, or half-remember some story you read a few years ago and are filling in the details you don't recall.

      I do know that ferrets fucking bite. Yup, you're right. My two ferrets bite each other all the time. But you're confusing play-fighting with an attempt to eat.

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  36. rescue rangers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no case too big
    No case too small
    When you need help just call..

  37. New Earthquake Building Safety Action Plan: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you first notice shaking, if you happen to be in room 101, get the hell out!

  38. Rat Safety by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    I understand rescuers are really careful to prevent things from shifting while digging, but rats are much smaller than humans. I guess I just have this vision of the poor little guy squeezed into a tiny little tunnel right next to the victim he's found and some guy accidently stepping on him.

    Not only would PETA be upset, but that's a waste of neuro implants!

    And how do they make sure the rats seek out victims only and not rescuers?

  39. and even if they were rodents... by unfunk · · Score: 1

    having their teeth filed would hardly 'cripple them for the rest of their life' as rodent's teeth grow continuously throughout their lives, hence they need something to gnaw on if you keep one as a pet.

  40. great robots [IK-bot] by feelyoda · · Score: 2, Interesting
    if you haven't seen my blog, check it out here. below is my post there on this matter:

    Slashdot links this article on cyborg rats used in search and rescue. I've been told that one big problem is giving a guarantee that the rats don't begin eating the people (dead or alive) they find. I suppose that the stimulation of pleasure centers of the brain would dominate other such carnal urges.
    Each rat has electrodes implanted in three areas of the brain which process odour signals, plan movements and experience rewards. The scientists stimulated the reward centre to generate feelings of pleasure when the rodent's nose picked up a whiff of human. In this way, the rats were trained to seek out human odours.
    All of this is desirable for a few reasons. The computer-rat brain interface research is also very applicable to computer-human brain interface. I just went to this very interesting talk on the subject. Further, very dexterous robots with high level perception are few and far between. A rat is amazingly mobile and also has an excellent perception suite. Of course, along the way, projects like this could save lives, and that is always wonderful.
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    1. Re:great robots [IK-bot] by desertfish · · Score: 1

      I've been told that one big problem is giving a guarantee that the rats don't begin eating the people (dead or alive) they find. Nonsense. These aren't starved wild city rats. Any animal will eat you (dead or alive) if it's desperate enough, even human animals.

  41. Are they going to be using IP ... by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

    ... on those electrodes? This could be an interesting subject for an April 1st RFC ...

  42. Dye them.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just dye them bright orange, so people learn to recognize them, and won't fear them as much.

  43. Working Animals by Inexile2002 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally I think its a fantastic idea. I've had a pet rat myself, and known a couple of other people who had them. They're smart as hell, easy to train and they're cheap. I've heard of aid workers in Africa training rats to find mines in mine fields. They're too small to set the mine off, but can sniff out the explosives like a dog. If you can train a mine sniffing rat, a human sniffing rat should be easy.

    Using animals as workers is actually something I like the idea of. Like mixing llamas in with sheep. The llamas will adopt the sheep as it's flock and the sheep aren't afraid of the llama. But a llama can and will kick a coyote's ass if one comes sniffing around. (And literally kick the coyote's ass.) I do feel sorry for the people that have to volunteer to lie under rubble while they're training the rats though, but hey, its for a good cause. (How would you put that on your resume? Well yes, for 6 months last year I was employed as a trapped earthquake victim for rat training. No, seriously.)

    1. Re:Working Animals by MonkeyCookie · · Score: 1

      My parents have a pair of llamas in their field. They will chase any dog without mercy that happens to come into that field. They get along just fine with horses and cows, and don't seem to mind my parents' cat.

      My parents recently gave away a llama (he was too lazy for backpacking) to a farmer who needed a llama to guard some sheep from dogs and coyotes. They are very protective of other herd animals they live with.

    2. Re:Working Animals by Inexile2002 · · Score: 1

      I'm in a playful mood right now. So do they only chase dogs without mercy, leaving the merciful dogs alone? Sorry, long day of ESL Teaching.

  44. check out NewScientist by bodrell · · Score: 4, Informative
    This story hit http://www.newscientist.com/ a couple days ago.

    If you like stories about animals sniffing things, they also have stories about giant rats sniffing out tuberculosis and dogs sniffing bladder cancer just to name two recent stories. I check out their news section first thing in the morning, then the nytimes, then slashdot.

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    1. Re:check out NewScientist by CreationLtd · · Score: 1
      ... and dogs sniffing bladder cancer ...

      Ah! So that's what they're up to when they shove their snouts in people's crotches!

      Mystery solved.

  45. Interesting idea by NtroP · · Score: 3, Insightful
    My wife and I used to raise and breed rats - it drove my mother nuts.

    After working with them, we found them to be pretty intelligent and very clean. On top of that, they seem to be able to get into amazing places.

    We had a pair of rats in particular that we kept as "pets" (the rest were used for breeding and were sold to pet stores). These two rats were large, white and housebroken (easier to do with a rat than a dog). They got along very well with our two cats and one dog. We used to sit, watching TV with them curled up on our laps.

    All that being said, although I've never had to be rescued from a collapsed building, I have had to be rescued from a plane crash in the boonies before. Frankly, I wouldn't have cared if they sent a Kodiak Grizzly to find me, I just wanted to be rescued. However, having crashed in a grizzly area, I'd have to admit that it would have been emotionally distressing for me and potentially dangerous for the bear (I don't fly over those areas unarmed - for good reason).

    So, (and I can only imagine here) being buried under a pile of rubble, I'm pretty sure I'd be worried about rats in the first place (keep in mind I like rats - but I also know them). This rat-rescuer had better be very well marked as such or it's history. For someone, like my mother, it would be traumatic to be rescued by a rat, but if she were burried, and the rat was marked as a "rescue-rat", even she might come around.

    As far as being able to train a rat to do the deed, I have no doubt that it can be done. But there are going to be quite a few perceptual hurdles to overcome. For many, it'd be like training a snake to rescue people. They could get into even tighter spaces, but half your victims would die of fright before you could get them out and you'd be pulling out a badly beaten snake for the other half.

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  46. how do they protect the equipment? by caldfyr · · Score: 1

    Rats are able to squeeze through tiny holes and I am pretty sure they (the rats)realize this. So, what happens when a rat tries to squeeze through a hole and strips off the backpack, or gets the equipment caught on something and panics.

    I have a feeling the technology isn't near usable yet. They didn't mention what method the equipment uses to transmit. Is the signal compact enough that it only needs to send a few bits or even just a tone on a certain frequency to the waiting receiver? I realize we're not trying to send tons of info, but my old 802.11a access point couldn't punch through a smoke filled room. How are they going to get a signal through rubble when there are bound to be chunks of metal everywhere. And the middle of a city is going to have its own sources of radio interference, and that's not taking the tons of electronic gadgets and transmitters that the emergency response and television networks have nearby.

  47. Humans have acute sense of smell, too by lawpoop · · Score: 1
    I was reading somewhere that human's sense of smell is just as accurate as a dog's or rat's. The thing is that our nose filters out most of the chemicals. But what we normally call our sense of taste is actually primarily smell. The tongue only senses sweet, sour, salty, and bitter. The rest of the 'taste experience' is the sense of smell, provided by the chemicals wafting up to the nasal cavities in the back of the mouth.

    So you could smell stuff as good as a dog, if you want to put it in your mouth.

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    1. Re:Humans have acute sense of smell, too by NerveGas · · Score: 1


      Actually, dogs still have a much, much better sense of smell than we do. They have (depending on the breed), around 20 times more receptors than we do, and that's nothing to sneeze at.

      In tests where a person lightly touched an object, dogs were able to pick up the smell after the object had been left outside as long as two weeks.

      Of course, no animal is equally receptive to every single smell imaginable. Just like some smells are much stronger to us than others, the same is true of dogs - but you're going to be hard-pressed to find more than a rare handful of cases where a dog's sense of smell isn't going to beat a human's by quite as much.

      A couple of weeks ago, I was sitting in a room by myself, and cracked a fart. I got up, walked around the room,and sat somewhere else. About a half of a minute later, one of my dogs walked in, and the smell hit him. His eyes closed almost entirely off, his nose started wiggling, and he followed it over to exactly where I was sitting, then followed the exact path I had walked, and ended up with his nose to my butt. And it hadn't even really been a "stinky" fart.

      Now a human might have recognized that one area of the room smelled stronger than the other, but my dog was able to detect the difference in odor across an inch of air.

      That's really not that uncommon, if someone has passed by on a trail and a search dog comes by some time later, they can tell by the minute smell gradient which direction the person was travelling in. Dogs are just freaking amazing.

      steve

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    2. Re:Humans have acute sense of smell, too by lawpoop · · Score: 1
      Did you miss the part about our sense of smell being inside the mouth? That's why you don't want to open your mouth when it stinks. Dogs have more receptors, sure, but many people think that people are 'smell-blind'. Which isn't the case.

      Dogs basically have their sense of smell on the outside of their wet noses. I'm sure that if people could set lightly touched objects against their olfactory receptors inside the nasal cavities, we could tell who had touched things, too.

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    3. Re:Humans have acute sense of smell, too by NerveGas · · Score: 1


      Well, put your idea to the test: Have your friend fart in a room while he's walking around. Go in there with your mouth open, so the airborn smells are hitting the receptors in your mouth and nose. Try and figure out which path he walked in the room. If you can't do it, my dog wins! : )

      steve

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    4. Re:Humans have acute sense of smell, too by lawpoop · · Score: 1
      Receptors are in the nasal cavity. Dogs kind of cheat, because they have theirs on their wet noses, hanging out in the air. In order to compete on the same level, you would have to somehow suck the air through your mouth up into your nasal cavity. (Maybe a pump on your nostrils?)

      Then, take patches of couch cushion and shove it up into your nasal canal until you get a positive ID. steve too.

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  48. Can they train the rats.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to detect duplicate articles?

  49. Re:See this from the victims point of view by glpierce · · Score: 1

    "BTW, the movie 'Willard' has probably done more to give rats a bad name image than anything other single modern thing."

    Yeah, because the Black Plague just wasn't enough. People have despised rats for millenia due to their connection with filth and disease; there is no "modern thing" responsible, especially not a movie that nobody saw from last year.

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  50. tunneling protocol by MREBoy · · Score: 1

    but how are they gonna teach the rats about tunneling protocols ?

    MRE

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  51. Re:Hmm ... and emergency rood for the trapped vict by polecat_redux · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Hurrah! A rat, something to eat and drink at last!

    Ah, finally a chance for a Black Adder quote.

    Black Adder:
    What's on the menu?

    Baldrick:
    Rat. Saute or fricasse?

    Black Adder:
    Oh, the agony of choice. And sauteed involves?

    Baldrick:
    Well, you take the freshly shaved rat, and you marinate it in a puddle for awhile.

    Black Adder:
    Uh-hmm, for how long?

    Baldrick:
    'Til it's drowned. Then you stick it out under a hot light bulb, then you get within dashing distance of the latrine and you scoff it right down.

    Black Adder:
    So that's sauteing, and fricasse?

    Baldrick:
    Exactly the same, just a slightly bigger rat.

  52. Re:See this from the victims point of view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is actually an old story.
    The reason they're focusing on rats is for use in Muslim areas, especially of Africa, where dogs are considered unclean but large rats are common.

  53. Signal by donniejones18 · · Score: 1

    Just attach a pack of c4 to the rat's back. human found = send signal!

    1. Re:Signal by NarrMaster · · Score: 1

      Rat: What Happen?

      Human: Someone set up us the bomb!

      Rat: We get Signal.

      (Boom)

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  54. Humans have acute sense of smell, too-Hind-sight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So you could smell stuff as good as a dog, if you want to put it in your mouth."

    Says a post from someone who's moniker is lawpoop.

  55. Some people are nutes by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idea of being rescued by a rat may not appeal to many people

    If I'm trapped under a collapsed building after an earthquake for a week, drinking my own urine and eating scraps of drywall, I don't care if it's RMS and Darl McBride who rescue me while debating the GPL.

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  56. "Heeeeere I Come To Save The Day!" by Trikenstein · · Score: 1

    /Mighty Mouse

    Which reminds me.
    I want to rent Mouse Hunt again soon.
    Prolly Walkens greatest comedic role as Caeser the Exterminator.

  57. A modest proposal? by ShatteredDream · · Score: 1

    Who says the person has to be dead? Think of all of the savings on all of the old people and babies that can be safely ignored now that rats are being employed for this harrowing job!

    And the next thing you know, someone will be trying to train Pirhanas for underwater rescue missions...

  58. and even if they were rodents...Chew toy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "having their teeth filed would hardly 'cripple them for the rest of their life' as rodent's teeth grow continuously throughout their lives, hence they need something to gnaw on if you keep one as a pet."

    I recommend the mother-in-law.

    1. Re:and even if they were rodents...Chew toy. by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Old Radio Ad:

      I have my mother in law suspended over a pit of ravenous wolverines. Unless you buy our product I will lower her into the pit.

      Please save the wolverines from this horrible fate.

  59. Bounty Bear by crucini · · Score: 1

    I'm the Rescue Rat.

    I will found out where he's at.

    I'm sniffing.

  60. True ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I bet it'd appeal more to most people than 'don't be rescued' though...


    Yes, not getting rescued would definitely suck. But I hope they put these little suckers in some little 'rat rescue' uniform, otherwise when the rat does find the person, that person it going to be scared shitless that not only are they buried but the rats have started to find them.

    Heck, maybe a little rat loud-speaker saying "don't panic, this is a trained rescue rat" on a loop or someting.

    Cheers
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    1. Re:True ... by Deorus · · Score: 1

      "Heck, maybe a little rat loud-speaker saying "don't panic, this is a trained rescue rat" on a loop or someting."

      Either that or give those rats FBI uniforms. Would be nice to see fed rats searching for people.

    2. Re:True ... by LaForce · · Score: 1

      Would be nice to see fed rats searching for people.

      Definitely. I'd much rather be found by a fed rat than an unfed rat.

    3. Re:True ... by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      But I hope they put these little suckers in some little 'rat rescue' uniform ... heck, maybe a little rat loud-speaker saying "don't panic, this is a trained rescue rat" on a loop or someting.

      I think if I was trapped under a building for days and a little rat in a uniform came by me saying he was on the rescue team, the first thing I'd do is ask if he's from NIMH.


      -Colin

    4. Re:True ... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I think Dougless Adams can help here.

      A rat walks by, and the helpless victum hears, "Don't Panic".

  61. Re:Humans have acute sense of smell, too-Hind-sigh by lawpoop · · Score: 1

    Yeah, well, you're moniker is anonymous coward.

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  62. Great, just great.... by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 1

    Now Richard Gere will be going around trying to get trapped in falling buildings...

    Oh, wait, that was rats, not gerbels.

    Nevermind...

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  63. Fleas by Skiron · · Score: 1

    The rats themselves do not carry diseases (they are clean animals) - the fleas that live on them do - ala the Black Death in Europe during the middle ages.

    1. Re:Fleas by juhaz · · Score: 1

      The rats themselves do not carry diseases (they are clean animals)

      Of course they do, every animal, no matter how clean, has it's own fair share of diseases, some of which are capable of being transmitted to other species, sometimes including humans.

      Rats (and rodents in general) may not be any more filthy than other animals, but they pose a problem because they're more common in inhabited areas, and come in contact with humans (and perhaps more importantly) and human foodstuffs quite often. You don't want shit and piss in your food, no matter how cleanly the animal who did that lives.

      the fleas that live on them do - ala the Black Death in Europe during the middle ages.

      The Black Death is not the only rat-bound disease (see for example leptospirosis, cryptosporidiosis and hantavirus for diseases where rat is direct carrier), and even though it's not the direct vector in that case, it's still a carrier - no rats means no fleas.

  64. Re: Gerbils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Through extensive research I've discovered if you want to utilizie a gerbil in that manner you must first trim their nails and attach a somewhat thick piece of string to their hind leg. (not the tail as they may pull off).. Also a greased tube is to be employed...

  65. Re:Hmm ... and emergency rood for the trapped vict by cynic10508 · · Score: 1

    "Hurrah! A rat, something to eat and drink at last! Dunno what this transmitter thing is, must have got trapped around the creature somewhere..."

    They've been using rescue rats for years in the Swiss Alps. They tie miniature kegs to their necks so stranded people can stay warm one shot of booze at a time.

  66. And now for sale... by thirty2bit · · Score: 1

    I'm going to start marketing cheese-scented clothes for guaranteed rescues.

  67. Almost... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

    You're thinking of The Rescuers, a 1977 Disney film. And they were mice, not rats. Close, though.

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  68. Daedalus had this idea several thousand years ago by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of an article that was pinned up in the copy room at Lucent in Allentown a while ago about rats that had been trained to run telecom and network cables through existing ductwork in schools.

    In ancient Greece, Daedalus was said to have solved the problem of running a thread through a chambered nautilus by attaching it to an ant.

  69. Rats are crazy by mantera · · Score: 1


    Those guys have experienced modernity long enough to forget that rats deserve their bad reputation in human history. A young girl I know just realized recently how bad the idea of owning a rat as a pet is. She had it as one of those quirky, wannabe-alternative drives and even made her roommate imitate her and get a rat too, in not too long her rat ate her roommate's rat, and as a result she got her roommate a bunny, but her rat, again, attacked the bunny and ate its eyelid and ears.
    Rats are notoriously unreliable.

    1. Re:Rats are crazy by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

      Rats are notoriously unreliable.

      Sounds reliable to me. Your friend is just a slow learner. Besides, they're not training them to find rabbits.

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    2. Re:Rats are crazy by desertfish · · Score: 1

      You should only pen females together. Males and males will fight for territory (probably what happend in your anecdote), and males and females will make more rats, some of whom will be males. The bunny part of this is... odd. I'll assume that the rat wasn't treated very well.

    3. Re:Rats are crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rats are predators. They hunt and eat mice, and rabbits can kick off the predator response of rats are who are not brought up with them. (OTOH, I know a bunch of rats, including mine, who adore rabbits. Mine likes to groom them.) Humans are too big to kick off a predator response, and besides, domestic rats bond with humans the same way dogs do (and the occasional dog turns out to be a psychopath, as well).

      The fault belongs to the human who allowed a predator and a prey animal to hang out together unsupervised.

      Although I can certainly understand developing a lifelong horror of rats after seeing something so awful happen to a pet bunny. But honestly, domestic rats don't put humans and bunnies in the same category (possible food).

      Presumably the Rescue rats are well-fed and bonded with humans as well as trained. To such a rat, the idea of eating the human it found would be about as good an idea as eating your own baby if you were feeling a little peckish.

      --singingnettle

  70. ED the Rat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rats are smart!

    I had a girlfriend who had a rat she named "ED".

    She would go to the park and let him run around, and Ed would come to her when she called.

    Pretty darn cool.

  71. Gerbils? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they have the advantage of being able to crawl almost anywhere and slip through small holes and crevices.

    I hear gerbils are good for this too. But, uhh, I wouldn't know.

  72. We're Saved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rescue rats are here! .... wait a minute... these aren't rescue rats..these aren't rescue rats!

  73. Look... by Rares+Marian · · Score: 1

    can we turn off the red eyes in the dark if we're going to use these critters.

    Oh wait, this isn't a cartoon.

    Why not just put a cellphone on a lunar lander like thing and send it in and make the phone ring?

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  74. Agggggghhhh! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Oh no, there's a rat. Owwww! It's starting to eat my foot, and I'm trapped, and will be trapped for 3 more days! Owwww! Owwwwwwww!

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    1. Re:Agggggghhhh! by Deorus · · Score: 1

      That's the idea, your scream of pain will attract human rescuers' attention quicker.

  75. Well that, and... by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    But to be successful rescuers, they must be able to home in on victims and signal their position to waiting rescue teams."

    And, you know, not try to eat them before the rescue team gets there...

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  76. This is progress by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    Much more successful than the experiment with rescue grizzlies.

  77. Re:Daedalus had this idea several thousand years a by gstoddart · · Score: 1
    In ancient Greece, Daedalus was said to have solved the problem of running a thread through a chambered nautilus by attaching it to an ant.


    Yeah, I saw that episode too. But Herc and Newt still showed up and kicked his ass. :-P

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  78. Wow, who knew Disney employed futurists? by koreth · · Score: 1

    Wrong rodents, but still, gotta hand it to Disney for preparing us for the world to come.

  79. Alive? by floki · · Score: 1

    Isn't it that dogs can distinguish between dead people and the ones that are still alive? Does anybody know how they accomplish this feat? Hopefully the rats can do this as well.

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    1. Re:Alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Live people and dead people smell different.

      You probably couldn't keep them from eating dead people, though, unless they were trained out of that. Rats will scavenge, and the minute something's dead, it's meat. Mice do the same. It's an evolutionary thing; if you're nature's lunch meat, it's not a good idea to leave food in the form of dead companions around the burrow.

      I can see a media problem, though, in finding nibbled-upon humans and the media saying, "Aha, the rats ate them!" even though the humans were surely already dead.

      One thing, though, arguing against the likelihood of domestic rats munching on humans, even dead ones, is that rats are neophobes--they're afraid of anything new. A domestic rat used to eating kibble is going to be very reluctant to take a bite of something it hasn't before encountered as food. Rats con't have a mechanism for throwing up, so food poisoning is deadly to them. Hence the evolutionary response of approaching new kinds of food with great caution.

      Probably more than you wanted to know about rats.

      --singingnettle

    2. Re:Alive? by floki · · Score: 1

      Rats con't have a mechanism for throwing up, so food poisoning is deadly to them. Hence the evolutionary response of approaching new kinds of food with great caution.

      Makes me wonder why rat poison works at all. Must be damn tasty to them.

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  80. Stimulation of the pleasure center by AxelBoldt · · Score: 1

    To me, the most important part of the story is that they trained the rats by stimulating their brain's pleasure centers. Are there any neurosurgeons who will implant an electrode into my brain's pleasure center? That must be the absolutely coolest way to go: dieing from happiness.

  81. In related news by bigberk · · Score: 1

    In related news, rescue rodents to join the effort. Unfortunately there's a risk of infecting found victims with rabies.

  82. Rats and tight spaces by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

    I've had a few pet rats over the years. One time, I put a rat under a funnel, with an opening just a little bigger than a nickel. The rat was able to squeeze out through that hole. (Kind of disturbing the way it's eyes bugged out as it did it, though)

    I wonder how much their tracking equipment would limit their mobility through tight spaces? Well, regardless, being able to squeeze through a 2 inch space is almost as good as a 1 inch space.

    Oh, and there's another danger besides rats gnawing on trapped victims. Even without teeth. One of my rats would stick it's nose into your ears if you set it on your shoulder, and once when I held it in front of my face, the damn thing grabbed onto my lip with it's paws and tried crawling down my throat. It got pretty far (I didn't want to bite it!) before I got hold of it's tail and yanked it out.

    Rats may be smart as rodents go, but that's not saying much.

  83. Self-destruct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How hard can this be? the same sensore that detect pleasure get hairline threads of C4 braided next to them. when the final signal is sent, the C4 blows, causing minor but lethal brain damage.

    granted, it's a bit of a betrayel to the rat, and it could prove to be buggy... but it's a start.

    personally, I kinda hope we can find a better alternative... isn't there anything herbivorous that size?

  84. Anyone else think of 1984 when they saw this? by adeyadey · · Score: 1

    'You asked me once,' said O'Brien, 'what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.'

    The door opened again. A guard came in, carrying something made of wire, a box or basket of some kind. He set it down on the further table. Because of the position in which O'Brien was standing. Winston could not see what the thing was.

    'The worst thing in the world,' said O'Brien, 'varies from individual to individual. It may be burial alive, or death by fire, or by drowning, or by impalement, or fifty other deaths. There are cases where it is some quite trivial thing, not even fatal.'

    He had moved a little to one side, so that Winston had a better view of the thing on the table. It was an oblong wire cage with a handle on top for carrying it by. Fixed to the front of it was something that looked like a fencing mask, with the concave side outwards. Although it was three or four metres away from him, he could see that the cage was divided lengthways into two compartments, and that there was some kind of creature in each. They were rats.

    'In your case,' said O'Brien, 'the worst thing in the world happens to be rats.'

    --
    "You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
  85. Rescue Rangers? by identity0 · · Score: 1

    What, over a hundred comments and none about Chip 'n Dale's Rescue Rangers? What's wrong with you people? I mean, sure the two title characters are chipmunks, but Monty was all mouse, and Gadget was so totally hot... Oops, did I say that out loud?

    C'mon, you can sing it with me, you know the tune...

    Some times some crimes
    Go slippin' through the cracks
    But these two gumshoes
    Are pickin' up the slack

    There's no case too big, no case too small
    When you need help just call

    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale's [sic]
    Rescue Rangers
    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale
    When there's danger
    Oh no, it never fails
    Once they're involved
    Somehow whatever's wrong gets solved

    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale
    Rescue Rangers
    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale
    When there's danger
    Oh no, it never fails
    They'll take the clues
    And find the wheres and whys and whos

    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale
    Rescue Rangers
    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale
    When there's danger
    Ch-ch-ch-Chip 'n Dale

  86. The rescuers know the rats found you because .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they hear your screams as the rats chew away at your face while you're body is pinned underneath the rubble.

  87. Rats' bad raps. by desertfish · · Score: 1

    I'm disappointed in the Slashdot community. We're allegedly a population of brighter-than-average society members, many of whom have been ostracized in our lives for having thoughts, opinions, ideas, or interests that vary from the "norm." Yet nearly every poster to this thread falls right in line behind Average Person, believing that rats are filthy and evil and would love to eat our brains out. This belief comes from tall tales and mythology and hyperbolized crack house anecdotes.

    Rats are intelligent mammals that got a very bad reputation for carrying the fleas the spread Bubonic Plague. Do you know who else carried those fleas? Humans. Now, rats are known for exploiting humans' wastefulness, thriving on the prolific volume of garbage we produce. Yet, if you spend 5 minutes with a well-treated domestic rat you will see that they clean and friendly and bear many of the same attributes as Man's Best Friend.

    If you have had a negative first-hand experience with rats, then you're excused for deprecating them. Otherwise, try to keep your mind clear, open, and original.

  88. Tried to use this in NYC a while back... by ptelligence · · Score: 1

    but the rats kept saving their own kind first and then going back for the humans. Preservation of species I guess. Anybody got an extra Sig I can bum?

  89. Domestic rats don't munch on people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There are psychopaths in the canine world, too, who view humans as food, but they don't last very long in the rescue-dog program. I shouldn't think psycho rats would, either.

    The likelihood of rescue rats chomping on the people they find is probably on the same order as rescue dogs eating survivors. First of all, for evolutionary reasons that probably fall under "TMI," rats are neophobes--they are reluctant to try new foods. A rat raised on pelleted rat chow simply won't recognize a human as food.

    Also, while rats are predators and will eat other rodents, insects, and small animals, humans just don't fall into their range of prey animals.

    And these rats are presumably going to be well fed, well trained, and bonded with humans--as strongly bonded as a dog might be. It would never occur to such a rat to chew on a live person. It would be like you deciding to chow down on a baby.

    Now, chewing on dead humans is another matter--dead humans and animals smell different from live humans/animals, and to a rodent, the minute something's dead, it's meat. I don't think a rat used to pelleted food would be inclined to eat carrion, but it's a lot more likely than a rat chewing on a live human.

    This doesn't negate any of the technical or public-relations problems involved, but the one that's kicking people's primal response--the fear of being chewed on by rodents in the dark--is probaby not realistic under most circumstances. At least, not with these rodents.

    What you might expect is that the happy rat would express its joy by licking, grooming, or snuggling with a human, which could be disconcerting. As someone pointed out, rats do have an upsetting tendancy to stick their heads in people's ears and mouths, although they tend to do that only with beloved and trusted friends. (These are submissive behaviors; when they're doing it, they're treating you as a dominant rat.)

    Hmmm--rattie blankets--half a dozen rats snuggled around a body could keep anyone warm. As people have said, might be hard to explain to a fear-crazed buried person what's going on, though.

    Maybe the rats' transmitters should broadcast a message:"I am a rescue rat. I will not hurt you. Help is on the way."

    --singingnettle

  90. You're not kidding by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 1

    These wee beasties could equally well be used as formidable search-and-designate targeting drones...

  91. RE: Perfect (almost) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the mental picture of rescue rats flashed
    through my mind, the vision of trained (and
    muzzled) rats scouring through an earthquake
    ravaged building searching for survivors made
    some sense. After all, aren't rats at least
    as smart as falcons, which have been used by
    royalty to hunt for thousands of years?

    Only the vision quickly turned to a muffled
    terror (like being buried alive, but presumed
    dead). Being pinned/trapped in a collapsed
    building while being knawed alive sounds like
    a modern tale straight from Edgar Allen Poe.
    Excuse me while I go puke ...

  92. They're too dumb, but otherwise feasible by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Pirhana don't do the strip-the-flesh thing unless they're starving and provoked (which is how they got their reputation in the Western world: some Africans pulled a show to string Bwana Politician along, starving and confining pirhana for weeks, then driving a bleeding cow through them; nobody thought to question the show). There are also vegetarian pirhana which are very difficult to distinguish by eye from the omnivores.

    The only real barrier to SAR pirhana is that they're too dumb. You'd basically need an aquatic mammal, and these (seals and dolphins) are being SAR-trained.

    --
    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
  93. how is this Flamebait? by nusratt · · Score: 1

    this was a polite prvt msg.
    wtf?

  94. rats... by murr · · Score: 1

    Pure genius! What will they think of next? Rescue vultures for people lost in deserts?

  95. Signalling position by JavaRob · · Score: 1

    And if the person is dead, eat them, thus saving costly search 'n' find excursion parties.

    Ah, and don't forget this:
    But to be successful rescuers, they must be able to home in on victims and signal their position to waiting rescue teams.

    How do you think the rats "signal" when they've found a new survivor? They can't bark like dogs do, after all.... My guess is that the searchers depend on the person found to make some kind of "signal", when they wake up to find a rat nibbling curiously on their earlobe.

  96. And to keep the victim's spirits up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the rescue rats will carry casks of rum around their necks.

  97. Re:Hmm ... and emergency rood for the trapped vict by cfuse · · Score: 1
    "Hurrah! A rat, something to eat and drink at last!

    I know that many of us are waiting for the rescue cow, pig, lamb and fish. I personally can't wait for the rescue tofu cube.

  98. Bodies and landmines by Wintermancer · · Score: 1

    Not that unusual, as I remember reading about giant Gambian pouched rats being used for
    landmine detection

    After all, if a rat is blown up, no one is going to cry a river (unlike a human EOD expert).

    Go rats!