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Interactive Storytelling
First, this is a book that everybody who wants to make compelling games should read. That said, however, it isn't really a book you would read for fun -- it's more of a textbook. The first half of the text is a necessarily rather dry presentation of concepts: for example, nine pages on 'Narrative Devices.' Glassner uses copious examples from movies that you've probably seen and games that you've probably played, and the text is certainly an easy read and well written, but it's still a very step-by-step presentation. You can't hide the fact that you're supposed to be learning something here. The second half of the book does open up a bit as he goes beyond just priming you on story and game theory.
He starts out by assuming you know almost nothing about storytelling. You might think that this is too obvious, but if you've played enough storytelling abominations like 'Sudeki,' you will know that game creators usually don't make very compelling storywriters. So the first quarter of the book is a crash course on the fundamentals of writing stories -- characters, plot, and techniques. The second, slightly shorter, part of the book examines the mechanisms of games in general. Not video games in specific, but all types of games. The five types of games, scoring rules, structure, and theory.
We're now ready to actually tackle merging stories and games, and at this point our cunning vision falls apart. Glassner's strongly held opinion, which he argues quite coherently, is that a great story is the product of one (or a few) expert storytellers presenting a strong, consistent vision to you, the consumer. The fabled holy grail of gaming is letting the player do whatever they want -- full interactivity. And this is to a point fundamentally incompatible with telling a great story. Conflict drives most stories -- what if the player quite reasonably minimizes conflict? But there's a lot to be learned from where they do contradict each other, and some common ground to be found. In my favorite chapter in the book, 'Common Pitfalls,' he uses specific video games that blatantly demonstrate how to not apply even the simplest rules of good storytelling and user immersion.
Many of the fundamental insights in this part are 'obvious,' yet demonstrably unobvious to most video game designers. For example, that people gravitate toward the entertainment that has the highest fun-to-work ratio. Television is hugely popular since the fun is high to very low, but the work is near zero. They will do more work if it offers a lot more fun. Which means you shouldn't force your players to do stupid, boring, unnecessary work like running through a dozen screens again and again to get between important locations. "A game should offer the fastest and easiest possible way to do everything unless there is some entertaining or informative reason to prevent it." Preach on!
The last part of the book finally deals with the 'interactive storytelling,' slowly building up ever more ambitious plans till we're in the realm of the purely experimental. Several reasonably fleshed out examples are given, and some of them seem quite plausible even with today's technology. The balance between future technology (holograms and AI) and the reality of today is considered. Glassner is quite a skeptic about AI and the holodeck from Star Trek, but explores how tricks such as emergent behavior and setting expectations low and then beating them can work for you. For instance, if your AI is driving an animal (rather than a human), the players will be much more forgiving. Or if you give the user attractive, static graphics up front, they will be projected onto the cruder in-game graphics. Because of the conflict between a great story and complete interactivity, he suggests 'participatory storytelling' is a better goal than fully interactive storytelling.
Particularly interesting is the discussion of 'living masks.' Most people don't like to act, because they know it takes skill and that bad acting is very painful. But what if you could be 'in' a character that would take what you were doing at home and then do it in character on stage, so everyone involved could act to the best of their abilities but still 'be' a good actor? You'd have some control over the gross reactions, but the details would be up to the software. Obviously, we're nowhere near that level of sophistication, but there's a lot of time left in the 21st century. It does mean that a large portion of the book deals with techniques that are right now totally impractical.
My biggest disappointment with this part of the book is that it implicitly seems to assume that all games in the future will be multiplayer, as they're the focus of all the examples. And at this point Glassner has pretty much transcended mere 'games' for his vision of the future of entertainment. But it's easy to see how they could be adapted to the single-player games which will hopefully still be available in 2099.
To summarize, I think anyone with a serious interest in telling stories via video games or interactive fiction should read Interactive Storytelling. It's well written and does a good job of teaching concepts that most people making currently making video games could use a lot of help with. Furthermore, Glassner's vision of the future of storytelling is fascinating, even if it doesn't play out that way. However, I would not recommend that you pick this book up as a casual read. If you're looking for that, you might be better off with Creating Emotion in Games by David Freeman or perhaps The Art of Interactive Design by Chris Crawford. Or, though it somewhat destroys the rigorous chain of thought, skip the first half of Interactive Storytelling, then go back and digest it piece-by-piece later.
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Interactive storytelling in common man's terms is called Grandma.
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Final Fantasy X immediately springs to mind. Any others?
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Didn't we create these "interactive stories" in the early 80's?
Those Choose Your Own Adventure and Which Way books were pretty darned popular in my grade school library.
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I do greatly enjoy graphic novels that combine comic book-like panes and text into a novel length book. Harvey Pekar is my favorite practitioner of this art. For me, an interactive novel is one step beyond what I am comfortable reading. However, I am 46 and maybe those a bit younger will have an easier time trying something like this.
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Further reading:
Hypertext 2.0
Writing Space
Eastgate Fiction
Temporality of Hypertext Fiction
I've always been interested in interactive storytelling. When I was a creative writing major over at San Francisco State University I was exploring such options, I purchased the excellent StorySpace software thinking that perhaps the web or a hypertext environment was the right way to go, only to be disappointed at the limitations. (The software is excellent for what it is capable of, even if it didn't fit the bill in my aspirations).
The conclusions that I drew are financially unreachable at this time. As well as the age-old problem that I think any interactive fiction will ever have: lack of interest. What I've always wanted to do is create locations much like Disneyland rides that tell a story interactively with a participant using computer projections and robotics, possibly with the interaction of psychedelic substances to help prime the "reader" for their experience.
Alas, I will probably never feel fufilled creatively as my ideas have no possibility for ever coming into fruition. (More on these ideas here).
It's a chicken/egg problem. Those of us who are but poor artists can't realize their dreams without heavy investment, and cannot get the heavy investment without an interested public to interact with. And an interest public cannot exist until the artistry is to be seen.
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All you have to do to learn this art is play every game that Warren Spector has ever touched. The man is the gaming world's Ridley Scott (I almost said Spielberg but that's more Will Wright).
I question the premise. Although games and stories are both entertainment, that does not imply that they can be successfully merged. On the one hand, what makes a story great is the ability to hear how someone else handled a problem or situation -- learning from another person's life and NOT controlling the story line. Call it lazy, but a passive vicarious experience can be pleasurable.
On the other hand, what makes games great is the ability to take control and run your own life in the game. You get to be someone you are not or try a persona or just compete for the thrill of it. Games are pleasurable for a diametrically different reason than stories. We like stories because they let us be passive and we like games because they let us be active.
I like green olives and I like chocolate and they are both food, but that does not mean they should be merged.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
One of the things we DON'T hear in all the writings about "how to get great stories/writing" into games is a good analysis of "what percentage of games should be story-related and what percentage should be otherwise, and why?" Games like tetris, solitaire, minesweeper, chess, pinball, card games, etc. are certainly quite popular with little or no story elements, and deservedly so. More story-oriented games like Secret of Monkey Island or the Final Fantasy series have their place too - but it seems clear to me that they'll always account for a minority of the overall game market. Discussions or studies of "what should we do within that portion of the market" are fine with me, but overly broad talk of "what should games do" that imply ALL games should be striving for more story and more writing bother me a bit. Games can validly focus just on action, like robotron, asteroids, or quake 3, they can validly focus just on strategy, luck, trivia questions, relaxation, or socializing. (In studies by GameTrust, when asked "what's your main reason for playing this game", 40% answered "to win", 43% answered "to relax", and 17% answered "to socialize".) What to do with storytelling and writing in an interactive setting is an interesting and useful question for the game industry to keep exploring. But it is less central to the question of how to make games than issues like "What role do different kinds of game mechanics play in the social and heirarchical interactions between human beings, and how could they do it better?" Or "What kind of single player games can best develop inductive reasoning skills?" The Super Mario games were huge hits in large part because they develop a young person's inductive reasoning "mental muscles" in a very satisfying and very rapid way. But discussion of these other types of questions is, I feel, sadly lacking in the game industry. -- Dr. Cat
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Anyone intereseted in writing interactive fiction or non-fiction might be interested in "Writing For Interactive Media" by Jon Samsel and Darryl Wimberely. Here's a link.
It goes over the various techniques by which one can develop interactive media, and what one should think about when doing so (design techniques, multiple plots, characters, interactive screenwriting, and other issues). I think it provides a good foundation with which to approach most forms of interactive writing.
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That's why they call it play. Remember playing cowboys and indians, or hide-and seek? How about adult paintball?
Play is inherently with other people.
"Playing" against the machine (solitaire, chess, solo FPS, whatever) is just a diversion, it's not really "fun" if it isn't shared.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
It involves 20 sided die, mountain dew, cheetos, and a bag of holding.
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"pain is weakness leaving the body."is that until they figure out a way to make games capable of being played out in our own brains, they will never have the quality of a good book.
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What makes a book special, beyond character development, sympathetic characters, great story line, plot, drama, and all the rest, is the fact that we live the book in our own minds.
If I watch the movie Timeline based on Crichton's novel, I am seeing that Fast and Furious guy adn some other people on a ride through time. Its a fun movie, I suppose, not the best, but not the worst, but its still vicarious. I am experiencing it through their lives.
When I READ Timeine, I actually got to LIVE the adventure. Since it was all in my own mind, the scenery, people, etc were all up to my own imagination. The lead character looked, in my mind, or at least personified my ideal self in that story.
Reading is a hell of a lot more mentally engaging than watchign a movie or playing a video game. So far the closest anyone has come to a game being close to the book experience is the FPS. The FPS puts YOU in the game. You arent just playing some character, directing his/her/it's life. The character you play in a FPS, esp in somehing like a MMORPG, is an extension of YOU.
When I played Resident Evil, I controlled a character. When I play Battlefield Vietnam, I AM in Vietnam fighting it out.
THAT is the difference between a book experience and a game/movie experience.
Of course, I am just holding out for the chance to jack in to interactive pr0n
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One of my favorite games is (was) Ico. It told a great story and was tons of fun to play. Getting an entire movie audience interacting with the movie in a sort of story video game would be impressive. That's what I want to see.
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But when it asserted that all interactive fiction was operated by verb/direct-objects controls, I had to put it down. There are other metaphors for controlling a branching narrative. Midnight Stranger let you control the main character's emotions, allowing him or her to react based on the player choice of emotion. Another game to break the verb/target type of adventure game is The Witch's yarn. Instead of controlling the character, the player controls the environment.
this, this, this, this, this, this, or many others.
Now that players expect, and developers can deliver, a big, free-play world, plot-oriented games are in decline. Those stupid canned cinematics are disappearing.
Progress is now made by figuring out how to make free-play worlds more interesting, not by locking the user down to a plot track.
Let's not forget the Choose-Your-Own-Adventure books, and the Infocom interactive fiction software (Planetfall, Zork, Leather Goddesses of Phobos). Heck, back in the long ago, a troupe of actors came to my school and performed Treasure Island. At various points in the play, they asked the audience what they would like the characters to do. They then took the story in that direction.
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Why didn't Glassner publish this content as a videogame?
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I think this idea of the role of narration is clearly related to what you've just said.
Most novels and short stories are written from the literary perspective of a third person omniscient narrator and this is part of their charm.
I think the seduction of interactive fiction partly stems from this desire to transcend the role of the reader and ascend to the role of the omniscient narrator --to become god-like.
But this is a lot like the story in Fantasia. You may dream of incredible powers, but when you really try them on you may easily find they give you more choices than you're comfortable with.
They are, at their extremes, mutually exclusive, but in the middle, they are not. It is possible to add more story and more interactivity to a game, and neither will impinge on the other -- for a while. But there is a certain threshhold one passes where, if more story is to be told, then one must constrain the player's freedom of choice. Conversely, if one gives the player ever greater scope for interactivity, story will become more marginalized. Taken to extremes, they are completely exclusive of one another: complete freedom means no real narrative, and complete story can only be received passively.
A blend of some story with a player's interactivity can enhance the interaction by providing greater context, but the storyteller must realize that they relinquish a good amount of narrative control over the outcome.
Yes - of course I never had any REAL fun reading a book, watching a movie, solo climibing a mountain, doing archery in the back woods, doing lego as a small kid (sadly no more), torturing my linux boxes, reading slashdot, learning to juggle, doing martial arts training, tracking animals, etc. etc.
You have a pretty limited life if you can't find fun when alone...
If you're referring to D&D, I thought they got secured a patent or copyright covering turn-based games. Hopefully, though, they didn't. Actually, RPG/FPS probably trumped that-- unless they're paying royalties we haven't been told of.
Imagine a tablet-based, MySQL-arbitrated RPG game that has a huge scenario engine, a character attributes engine, and the other stuff you need. You pick from canned scripts for a book, then create a complementary or supra-set or super-set framework. AI and a number of other rules would deal with the single or multi-player aspects.
The NEAT trick would be to have the character demographics engine look at the world and then on-the fly, maybe by random numbers, generate stories page after page, compatible with the previous chapters. For a twist, the reader could pause the story, insert real-world URLs that have AI cross-connects, then recompile the story based on what the RWNAICC download says. Imagine if the XML or RSS feeds could carry meta or other information to be compatible with interactive, ad-hoc story pads. You turn a page and a neat-looking, believable character or set of them appears on a page. It could be foldable so that the read text stays on the left (if the reader base is L-R/T-B) and the images on the right.
I don't know if anyone has filed for a patent on this, but it's something I've been thinking about. Hopefully this is not patentable such that some asshole of a company tries to preclude me or others from doing it when the MySQL database supports forms and graphics. It, to me, should be a "let the best product compete or win ON ITS MERITS", not based on how deep are the pockets of the studio or its lobbyists.
As I see it, to my benefit and that of others, this is just a new form of book printing, except paper could be swapped out for an LCD or film sheet, and each book is, as with e-books, downloadable, storable, and in my case, fairly sharable.
Come to think of it, if XML and RSS and other protocols or tools are used, the news studios could save a bundle on news anchors -- provided the viewers go for it and advertising revenues don't drop after the anchor lobby or unions go flying off the handle...
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This book sounds alot like what the infamous Chris Crawford has been preaching for the last 8-10 years. I see alot of good things in this outlook: basically that interactivity should be the primary tenet of good game design. However, I don't really agree that the storytelling/"live your own movie" pragma is the best approach to garnering true interactivity. Its certainly a good platform for creating an interactive environment, but if interactivity and is the key, it must be the basis on which the design is built, not the stage on which it is played. Understanding drama concepts is crucial to creating believable and coherent storylines, but without believable actors, it pretty much falls apart.
My ideal game would have an interesting, richly-simulated world, so that basically you can do almost anything. On that point I agree with you---it's really irritating when you can basically follow one track, and if you do manage to get off it, the game sucks because the designers never implemented anything they didn't expect you to do.
I do think story has a place in games though. It would be nice if you could do anything, but things sort of developed: the game reacted to what you did. This is how traditional "live-action" RPGs work, with a gamemaster making up the plot as things progress to react to what the players do. Of course, a computer is not sentient, but there's people working on the issue of how to make games reactive so that there is plot but plot that doesn't shoehorn the user into following a strictly scripted storyline.
Of course, I may be biased, as one of the projects I'm working on is a baby step in that direction. =]
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A lot of the best games now tend to try to accomplish both. Grand Theft Auto 3 is obviously going to be the immortal example of this.
Spiderman 2 for the consoles is a pretty amazing example of pulling it off while in a movie license because it manages a significant amount of freeform exploration story-less play, follows the storyline of the movie well enough, but also intertwines unexpected comic book stuff as filler to flush out an otherwise short and overly predictable story element.
Some games can thrive off of an almost totally linear story by having the means by which you travel through the story very nonlinear, such as in the case of most RPGs. While you usually can't stray far from the main linear plot, or there might be one or two major branches, the means by which you get through the combat is wildly diverse.
I don't think plot oriented games are in any kind of decline whatsoever, if anything more emphasis then ever is on having good plots that people can actually get into. Good voice acting is making or breaking games more then ever as the standards for story telling are going up dramatically.
Even classic staples in nonlinear progression are integrating storylines, Tony Hawk Pro Skater's progression to Tony Hawk Underground is probably the biggest selling example of this.
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Check out Eric, The Power-Mad DM a text adventure about playing home-rules D&D back in 1981 with that know-it-all kid with all the Gygax books but no actual knowledge of the game. It's got a combat engine and an unreliable narrator.
It's based on ">N You Can't Go That Way"
Not to push the Neal Stephenson thing again on the heels of the recent link between WorldWind and the Earth program in "Snow Crash", but I believe he had some great ideas with respect to the future of storytelling in "The Diamond Age"... Anyone?
I don't necessarily have to play with other people, and I'm sure everyone here is the same way. Sometimes I have plenty of fun when I play with myself.
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