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Global Warming Expected to Intensify Hurricanes

DoraLives writes "Think this hurricane season was bad? Well according to the New York Times, a study was published online on Tuesday by The Journal of Climate indicating that warming ocean temperatures are going to make for stronger, wetter hurricanes in the coming years and decades. An abstract of the article concludes cheerfully enough that 'greenhouse gas-induced warming may lead to a gradually increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms.' Oh joy."

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  1. Nature's way... by chrispyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps this is nature's way of saying "I hate you."

    1. Re:Nature's way... by Zarks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Prehaps this is nature's way of telling America, the worlds biggest polluter by far to take global warming seriously.

      If this doesn't do it nothing will. It is the equivilant of being hit on the back of the head and not bothering to turn round to stop whatever hit you from hitting you again.

    2. Re:Nature's way... by Thagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      CO2 emissions will likely increase over the next few decades, unless the countries that produce the most CO2 will start taking drastic action. That means the US, and to some extent, Europe and China. The 1% figure is about right.

      The ULEV vehicles you trash actually eliminate far worse greenhouse gases. Methane, for example, is 100x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2, and the advanced catalysts do eliminate almost all the hydrocarbons (like methane) from the exhaust.

      These hurricanes are really Nature's way of suggesting to Floridians that their vote really matters.

      Thad

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    3. Re:Nature's way... by Aglassis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You said: "That's under simulated conditions. This is not a study saying, "OMFG TEH USIANS ARE TEH PULLUT3RZ! THEY R KILING TEH PLANET!!!!!1111" It describes what could happen were CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere to increase by 1% annually. I don't know whether this is actually the current trend.
      I'd also like to point out that carbon dioxide emissions should not be confused with traditional pollutants, such as carbon monoxide (CO) and surphur dioxide (SO2). The irony is that continued advances in catalyst technology used in ULEV vehicles is eliminating these poisons, only to produce more water and, you guessed it, carbon dioxide. Of course, the answer is to increase efficiency of internal combustion engines until they can be eliminated by a more efficient technology
      "

      In these two conflicting reports, the CO2 concentrations is shown to increase from about 310 ppm to 360 ppm from year 1960 to 2000. About a 0.4% increase per year. Of course the rate of increase is increasing so the current value is higher than 0.4% increase per year; therefore, the 1% increase per year figure is certainly possible. The two reports cited are but an example of several reports trying to understand the connection of CO2 to future surface temperatures. I think you will have to take all these reports into mind before coming to a conclusion on whether the current trend of CO2 increase will affect hurricanes.

      I think its pretty obvious from most studies that rapid deforestation, massive livestock populations, and industrialization have pretty much been the cause of the CO2 and methane increases over the past 200 years. If there is a connection between our pollutants and global temperatures and events like hurricanes or if it is sufficiently probable then it is logical to impose some kinds of restrictions on the above mentioned pollutant emissions. Currently, there are no absolutely conclusive reports one way or the other so it is a view of opinion which studies you agree are more probable in being correct. I tend to agree with the global warming hypothesis but I am still going to monitor the other literature to see if it will change my opinion.

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  2. Weather is complicated by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even the most complicated computer models for weather systems can only approach less than 5% of the actual variability and density of the atmosphere. Consider that most forecasts are less than 50% accurate at 48hrs+. I am not dismissing the research, far from it, I just don't think the models are there yet.

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  3. The only way to motivate by bobhagopian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm really sad that residents of Florida, Cuba, Haiti, and all those other hurricane-hit places will have to face more severe and more frequent hurricanes in the future. However, global warming is bigger than just Florida; as terrible as extra hurricanes are, this just might be the wake up call that the rest of the world (especially those of us in non-Kyoto countries) needs to really appreciate the significance of global warming. Maybe now people will realize that global warming isn't an issue put forth by tree-hugging hippies, but rather a serious concern with serious implications.

    1. Re:The only way to motivate by Zarks · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but nothing has been presented to prove that global warming IS part of a a natural cycle. We dont know nearly enough about the weather to say anything 100%. Even the best computer models have yet to come close to the real complexity of the weather patterns. They could be many other effects that we know nothing about which could cause disaster.

      Right now we're running into a dark cave and hoping there isn't a bear in it. Not a very good strategy for survival.

    2. Re:The only way to motivate by deragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If we stop pushing out green house gases nothing will change, environmently speaking. The % of CO2 in the atmosphere will still remain at the current level and will take decades to come down.

      If we stop pushing out green house gases, we stop agravating the situation. We do not improve the current situation. The pollution already released will remain. The issue is not about improving the situation, but stoping its deterioration.

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  4. Hurricanes in Florida by Richard+Aday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm currently living in Florida, and let me tell you what we had this season was bad. If in the future, we're going to have these types of hurricanes on even a stronger level we're going to lose a lot of tourism.

    This year our damages are estimated at $18 billion because of the hurricanes (that's $3 billion more then Andrew). I can only imagine how much we will loose if we get stronger and more frequent hurricanes.

  5. Conclusion by julesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An abstract of the article concludes cheerfully enough that 'greenhouse gas-induced warming may lead to a gradually increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms

    That's not a conclusion. That's a hypothesis. When they conclude 'greenhouse gas-induced warming probably lead to a gradually increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms' or something equally as strong, let me know.

    I mean, anyone with the slightest knowledge of the subject could have you told that this _may_ happen. What's needed is someone to get a good idea of how likely it is to be true.

  6. Re:What? We didnt blame Bush for it? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    With the way people are blaming everything else in the world on Bush.. I'm surprised..
    Because he's set the US on a course that pisses-off a lot of people worldwide.
  7. Global Warming by DaFallus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One important thing to remember is that this is nothing the planet hasn't seen before. Things have gotten no worse than they were 200 million years ago. There have been plenty of studies in dendrochronology that prove this and that while the earth might be heating up, its nothing the planet can't handle.

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    1. Re:Global Warming by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not especially relevant. Human beings weren't around 200 million years ago.

      The question isn't what the planet can handle but what WE can handle.

  8. Re:one problem ... by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you mean, there is no evidence that Dubya will admit to.

    In fact there is much much evidence, that perhaps you have chosen not to see.

    Funny how Dubya can invade Iraq, killing 10's of thousands of innocent civilians, and over a 1000 americans on NO ACCURATE EVIDENCE of there ever being ANY WMD's in Iraq ... which has since been clearly proven.

    yet at the same time, he can totally ignore the decades of research that show the world is getting warmer (whether or not its by our own hand).

    hmmm coincedentally, Dubya is an Oil man .. someone who gets great benefit through the selling of greenhouse gas producing Oil, hmmm and Dubya is someone who would benefit greatly from high oil prices produced by pinching world oil reserves through destabilizing oil markets with the false fear of terrorism, and by taking the Iraq supply off the market.

    damn I dont know why you Bushies can't see the damage Bush has done for his own personal greed. Instead you blindly follow him, ignorantly thinking he's saving you.

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  9. Re:The Cause of Global Warming by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ignorance is bliss isnt it?

    Actually thousands of scientists have come out and stated our CO2 emissions ARE a significant factor. You've chosen to ignore them.

    I guess you are ignoring that we've nearly doubled atmostpheric CO2 since our industrial revolution. (I bet you didnt even know that)

    I guess you are ignoring the huge greenhouse effect of methane, which we spew into the air in tremendous amounts through Oil/gas production and through the raising of Billions of cattle each year. (I bet you thought that burnt oil just disappeared, that it didn't make CO2)

    I guess you have chosen to ignore the large percentage of the planet where we have eliminated trees and other plants, removing a huge carbon sink. (did you even know that plants absorb CO2 as part of their metabolism?)

    dumbass.

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  10. History by Tiggan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or, we could quit trying to blame everything on "global warming" and realize that hurricane severity is cyclical. Florida's been due for a couple of years now.

    1. Re:History by ozborn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hotter earth- > warmer water -> more hurricanes

      Hurricane severity may be cyclical, but it doesn't mean global warming is not involved.

  11. Re:Whoa : Florida has very little to worry about. by Forge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Florida has very little to worry about.
    Hurricanes do NOT kill people. The supply strong winds and lots of rain but people actually die from pore planning, stupid choices, ineffective government and most importantly large scale poverty.

    I.e. Florida lost less than 40 people in Hurricanes this year. They were directly hammered by 3 big ones (Category 3 to 5). A single category 4 passed 30 miles south of Jamaica and killed 16 people (.jm is small, 2.7 million). Meanwhile, Haiti was grazed by a tropical storm (not strong enough to be called a hurricane) and around 2000 people have died with another 100000 or so left homeless and starving (I.e. Likely to die if massive amounts of help isn't forthcoming).

    PS: I am writing from Jamaica. In case that matters.

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  12. Re:Forseen 18 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Earth's climate has been going through changes for millions of years. Why are we so vain to think that it will stop changing just because we like it the way it was?

    Probably because the evidence clearly shows that the rate of change has been accelerating since the industrial revolution. But don't let the facts get in the way of your nice comfortable lifestyle.

  13. Scientists don't know EVERYTHING=lets do NOTHING? by IvyMike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are many models for the effects of carbon dioxide in the atmostphere being proposed by scientists. Our best, most extensive computer models show that increased C02 will lead to climate change, and our best records show that humans activity has increased atmospheric C02 by about a third.

    But the models all disagree exactly how much. And there are other sources of C02 (although there is no evidence any of them are responsible for the increases since the industial age). And since models always have to take a few shortcuts (instead of modelling every atom) they may have ignored something that could affect climate. Unfortunately, there are things we don't understand; our computer models don't explain all historical climate changes (even though every model has more C02 = climate change). And who knows, maybe the sun is hotter (even though the evidence for this is sketchier than any of the other data).

    Some people turn these little bits of uncertainty into a complete lack of action. They argue that climate change is
    natural", ignoring the fact that it's catastrophic and we might be able to do something about it. They choose to do nothing, and rush us ever faster into the abyss in our giant, wasteful SUVS.

    A large climate change is bad news for humans, and we have some evidence that we are responsible for some of it, and we have some evidence that we might be able to slow or reverse it. Do we need more evidence? Hell yes. But if we wait for the climate experiment known as "the earth's atmosphere" to finish, we'll be doomed. I believe that human ingenuity will be able make the world a place where humans can continue to thrive.

    P.S. I don't understand why "less pollution, less waste" is seen as more as a burden and not an opportunity for business.

  14. Re:Forseen 18 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Did your dad ever mention what caused enough global warming 11,000 years ago to cause the glaciers to receed? I know it wasn't my SUV. Maybe it had something to do with proto-republicans?

    Hey num-nuts. There is a difference between 5 degree change over 100,000 years and 5 degree change of 10 years.

  15. Re:going out on a limb here... by stevelinton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try looking at the facts. Every major indpendent study for years (for instance the US National Academy of Sciences study) has concluded that beyong reasonable doubt:

    A: the planet is warming faster than it has done for millions of years
    B: human releases of CO2 is almost certainly the main cause

    and I would observe that B actually doesn't matter. If the planet is warming, we should release less CO2, to try and cool it, regardless of the reason.