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Gates on Spyware and OS Competition

Ant writes "CNET's News.com has an article that says Microsoft plans to offer its own anti-spyware software." prostoalex writes "Both OsNews and InfoWorld talk about Bill Gates' speech at the Computer History Museum in California. Gates is noting that Linux is taking over, and claims that 10 years forward Linux and Windows will be the only OSs left in the market."

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  1. Re:Mac OS? by Money+for+Nothin' · · Score: 4, Informative

    People have been predicting the death of MacOS and Apple for almost 2 decades now. That "wizard" over at PCMag, John Dvorak, has been doing so for almost that long, and look at where that prediction has gone.

    *tears out another Dvorak article, wipes, and flushes it down the toilet*

  2. RTFA! by kcarlile · · Score: 5, Informative
    He doesn't (at least as mentioned in the OSNews piece) say that there will be ONLY two OSes left. I quote:
    He did say though that "fast forward 10 years, the two leading OS technologies will be Linux and Windows" hinting that most others (Sun, Mac?) will be eclipsed from the main business scene.
    That's not saying that MacOS or *BSD or Sun or anything else will be dead and gone. FUD (unintentional or not) from the poster, methinks...
  3. Re:640K is enough.... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, if you did your research, you'd find out that he never said that. He's not an idiot, and only an idiot would make a definate statement about the evolution of tech.

    I'm too tired to find the links right now, but a minute or 5 of google should clear it up for ya.

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  4. Re:640K is enough.... by PopCulture · · Score: 4, Informative

    To be fair, Tom Watson was born in the 1870's :)

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  5. Re:Mac OS? by TheLittleJetson · · Score: 4, Informative

    As hardware gets cheaper and more powerful and becomes a commodity, Apple is likely to have an increasingly difficult time selling its own line of expensive machines.

    Rolls Royce still manages to sell cars.

  6. Re:Too much control? by spectecjr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Plug into a published (long before beta1) API, using WMI/WBEM. Even Symantec still haven't got it fixed for some versions of their pile of poo scanner.

    They do have it working. The really scary thing is that they actually explicitly PREVENT it from reporting to Windows the status of the AV software. If you try to change that, it pops up a window which says (something along the lines of) that "Norton AV is monitoring your system", and there's a check box which says "Report status to other systems (recommend that you DO NOT do this)".

    Kind of shitty of them really. Especially as you have to go through hoops to get their LiveUpdate system to automatically download AV signature file updates - it's not enabled by default.

    Lame lame lame lame lame.

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  7. Re:800lb Gorilla by Zemran · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eeerrrr, if they really wanted to do something about it why not change the way the write software so that it is not so easy for outsiders to hack into their products and dump unwanted code onto their clients machines? This would efectively cut down on virii as well as spyware, trojans etc... Why do they chose to leave so many doors open? I believe it is because they are more concerned with leaving the doors open for themselves than they are worried about the effect of the abuse of those doors. Why does a Windows users email need the power to format their hard disk etc?

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  8. Re:800lb Gorilla by killjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds like every other large corporation in the world.

    My advice as a veteran is to stick with smaller companies. Not only will you make a bigger impact but you'll also be appreciated. You definately wait till you are married and have kids before you get your soul sucked out by a large company. Of course by then you'll have lost the will to live anyway so it won't matter so much :)

    good luck.

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  9. Re:Mac OS? by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the Mac OS now a layer on top of Unix, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple eventually gives up reserving its software for its own hardware and begins to sell Mac OS as a GUI and software bundle on top of Linux, essentially a commercial counterpart to Gnome or KDE.

    I think they would be completely missing their target market if they did that. People who buy Macs are getting them because they "Just Work". One of the big reasons why they "Just Work" is because Apple has complete control over the hardware they're using, they can test the software on exactly what the end-user will be using it on and make sure it all works. Furthermore, they can test upgrades on hardware identical to what the end-users are using.

    Whilest it's possible that they may eventually ditch BSD in favor of Linux if it looks like Linux will be beneficial for them, I doubt they will ever start shipping it as a stand-alone piece of software rather than a soft/hardware combo.

  10. Did everyone miss the critical point? by Syre · · Score: 4, Informative
    Bill Gate's critical point in this interview, and how he intends to compete against Linux in the server market is actually something to be concerned about.

    From the OSNews article:

    As to how Microsoft is going to beat Linux according to Gates, it seems to be via its software's value, rather than the price. Bill Gates is trying to create software that needs little maintainance and little support. By doing so, he hopes to cut down the number of IT administrators needed on companies (a good admin costs overall up to $200,000 per year for a given company here in the Bay Area, for example). On the other hand, Linux rivals (e.g. Red Hat) are making money primarily by support calls and require capable administrators. Gates hopes to elliminate this need.
    This is a real issue. Red Hat and the Linux companies have little incentive to make products which require less support, because this could cut into their support contracts.

    Microsoft then can show a lower TCO by putting lots of resources into making management easier and do-able by lower level cheaper employees.

    They could win (at least temporarily) with this strategy if we aren't careful (and don't get administration on Linux to be as easy and automated as possible).

  11. Re:640K is enough.... by CrazyMalaysian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here you go: http://tafkac.org/celebrities/bill.gates/gates_mem ory.html There are far too many misinformed people out there.

  12. Re:800lb Gorilla by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thanks to SP2 we have a worthless, buggy, problematic firewall which yields no benefit whatsoever, turned on all the time by default! yay.

    Are you saying it doesn't work? 'Cause in my tests, it seems to consistently deny connections from externally, which is, after all, the point. It will prevent pretty much any external worm attack, in fact. I think that's hard to describe as "yields no benefit whatsoever".

  13. Re:What's left in 10 years by hacker · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Don't be an imbecile. People were saying the same thing ten years ago, and Linux is still nowhere near ready for the desktop."
    And exactly what code, dollars, or time have you contributed to that effort?

    Linux is, and has been ready for the desktop for at least 5 years or more. I've been using it full-time on my desktops and workstations here for at least 7 years.

    Don't blame the kernel for the lack of userland applications. The peripherals, ports, and external devices are all supported (and in fact, more devices and peripherals are supported under the current 2.6.8.1 Linux kernel than on Windows and OSX combined).

    Linux was never "meant" for the desktop. That is the job of distribution manufacturers and userland application authors. Talk to them. The rest of us "desktop Linux users" are waiting for them to catch up.

    This isn't a race against Microsoft. Linux solves my needs, and gives me much more flexibility and power and choice than the alternative OS that might run on my hardware.

    Incidentally, Windows and OSX don't support 90% of the hardware out there that Linux has happily been running on for several years to over a decade. See my previous post for a more-complete list.