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Worker Fired For Running SETI On State-Owned PCs

Formica writes "A programmer working for the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services was fired for running SETI software on a state server. As quoted in this article, department head Tom Hayes says, 'I think that people can be comfortable that security has beamed this man out of our building.' More articles from Google."

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  1. Would you want to work for this guy? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I understand his desire to search for intelligent life in outer space, because obviously he doesn't find it in the mirror in the morning," Hayes said. "I think that people can be comfortable that security has beamed this man out of our building."

    What an ass Tom Hayes is! Come on now, there is no need for personal attacks, especially because this statement was publicly released in a news interview and they have already fired this guy. I am half tempted to find Tom's email address and tell him just that.

    So the issue is: Was there a policy that prohibited use of those systems for that purpose? Granted, since the machines were taxpayer funded, this should have raised some red-flags for Charles Smith (the fired employee), however...... immediate termination rather than a warning seems a bit harsh. Any time you are using publicly funded resources for personal use, there should be extreme caution, and my bias is to never, ever go there in the first place unless there is a prior agreement for reimbursement.

    Of course we do not know all the circumstances, but Tom Hayes is still an ass for publicly attempting to humiliate this guy. Tom, whats wrong with you? I suspect you are a former high school football player turned college frat boy who has to put people down to make yourself feel better. Ass!

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    1. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The one thing to be noted is that running SETI on a server is unwise.
      While I have never seen a problem personally I enforce my company policy that it be kept off servers. Desktops/proto machines fine, just not production environment servers. We actually use it to increase load on pre-production servers though :-)
      -nB

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    2. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 5, Informative
      Ask and you shall receive:

      His Phone #

      His bio

      His feedback form

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    3. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by Halikar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a world of difference between being of the public and commenting, and commenting publicly about a professional decision. What one person says about another is simply that, one persons opinion. When a boss or ex-boss says it publicly about a persons professional life, it is flat out wrong unless you are intentionally trying to get someone black listed and ensure they will never be hired again.

    4. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by Fortissimo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that immediate termination seems harsh on the surface, but none of us know the back story on any of this. I've seen many times where an employee is perpetually abusive to the power they have and/or insubordinate or whatever, and management has been trying to nail them for a long time. Then, a dumb incident like this comes up and gives them the green light they'd been hoping for. Based on the situation and the harsh comments by Hayes, I think this smells suspiciously like one of those times. Seems highly doubtful that this was Smith's first offense.

    5. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by genixia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why? The guy is 63.

      Of course, one really has to wonder why he wasn't given a warning first. The offense for which he was fired sounds like an excuse to get rid of someone. Age discrimination anyone?

      This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. And against The Department of Job and Family Services too. That's going to make the primetime local news reports and leave the department with a lot of egg on their face.

    6. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      with this reply, I've lost the chance to moderate this thread, but...

      Doesn't the photo of this Tom Hayes look almost exactly like Bill Lumberg from Office Space??

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0170550/

      http://jfs.ohio.gov/director.stm

    7. Re:Would you want to work for this guy? by phreakmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful
      hat has a negative impact on the machine performance, as the requests come regardless of its load. SETI@home uses the computer only when it doesn't work otherwise.

      I'll address this. I'm a senior security engineer for a major corporation. We, too, have a policy against running any unapproved software on workstations owned by the company.

      There are many, many reasons for this beyond just "negative impact." For instance:

      What if a security vulnerability was discovered in Seti@Home (or any other unauthorized software) and it resulted in a compromise of (in this case) private citizens' data?

      Who is liable if the software causes an outage on the workstation or the network?

      Who is liable if the software causes a breach of security or corrupts the integrity of the data being handled by the state?

      You see, in the case of corporate (or government) resources there is more at stake than just whether the software has a measurable impact on the performance of the machine. If the state wanted to run Seti@home on the machines, it would do the approriate dilligance to do so- including a risk evaluation and mitigation plans (like upgrades / patching / &etc) to do so. By running any unauthorized software, especially network software, without the knowledge of the owning party you are putting their property (and in this case the public's property) at an unneccessary risk.

      I'm sure this is stated in their computer use policy, as it is in ours. Firing the employee was probably the correct action.

      -pm

  2. Comment was way out of line by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Gosh, I would have thought that a a department head for a social services agency such as the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services would have hard time getting away with such a nasty and unnecessary comment such as this:

    "I understand his desire to search for intelligent life in outer space, because obviously he doesn't find it in the mirror in the morning," Hayes said.

    However justified the firing of the employee, there was no reason to make such a denigrating comment about that employee. Smith should file a complaint and Hayes should publicly apologize. I hope that if Hayes ever makes a mistake he is treated a whole lot better than he chose to treat this man. I sent an email to them asking how this manager can behave in such an awful and slanderous manner. If you feel so inclined you can go here and do the same.

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  3. call him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    hayest@odjfs.state.oh.us
    T: 614/466-6282

    1. Re:call him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thomas Hayes, Director
      Ohio Department of Job and Family Services
      30 East Broad Street, 32nd Floor
      Columbus, OH 43215-3414
      T: 614/466-6282
      F: 614/466-2815
      E-mail: hayest@odjfs.state.oh.us

  4. Wasting Time by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 5, Funny

    This qualifies as "Useless waste of government resources", just like browsing Slashdot. See ya, buddy.

  5. SETI@Home: The next big threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because SETI@Home is such a security risk.
    My mother works for the County Gov't, and I've seen some of the spyware infested cesspools that they call computers, and they fire this guy for doing what? Wasting clock cycles?

    1. Re:SETI@Home: The next big threat by aceh0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there's a difference between installing crap on a desktop system and installing crap on a production server

  6. Conspiracy by Zlib+pt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally we have the proof. The state is covering up the existence of ET's I can see "they" now - "One computer less for them to know the truth MUAHAHAHAHA"

  7. Re:Unauthorized software is unauthorized software by elmegil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if you're stupid enough to make publically humiliating statements about your (ex) employees, you deserve what you get too. I mean come on; how hard is it to behave like an adult professional and just say he violated policy and was terminated?

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  8. Re:He should be fired. He should be arrested! by lottameez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    dude, there is far more fraud, waste, and abuse in government then this piddling little thing. In the scheme of things, it probably cost more in administration costs to fire the poor bastard and hire a new guy than any expense brought on by the SETI program.

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  9. A post above said Hayes is retiring anyway, but... by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dear Governor Taft,

    I am writing regarding the despicable conduct of one of your appointees, namely, Tom Hayes of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. He recently fired an employee, a computer programmer named Charles Smith, for running a program called SETI@Home on the department machines. The program uses spare computer time (when the computer isn't being used, like when a screensaver is running, for example) to do mathematical analysis on data received via radio telescopes by the SETI Program.

    The SETI@Home project is well-respected in the scientific and technology communities, and there was no need for Mr. Hayes to fire the programmer for installing the program on department computers. However, the issue goes much deeper than that.

    Mr. Hayes demonstrates not only a lack of knowledge on the subject, but also an unwillingness to learn about things he doesn't already know about. A very small amount of poking about on the Internet would have revealed a wealth of information on the SETI@Home project, including its endorsement by a variety of educational organizations and industries.

    http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/

    Instead, Hayes indicates his assumption of intellectual superiority with such witty repartee as this quote from the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

    "I understand his desire to search for intelligent life in outer space, because obviously he doesn't find it in the mirror in the morning," Hayes said. "I think that people can be comfortable that security has beamed this man out of our building."

    Hayes's complete lack of tact when dealing with the media over what is actually an unjust firing demonstrates that he is incapable of performing his duties in a way that reflects positively on the State of Ohio, and I hope you will take appropriate action in this situation.

  10. Your sig is strangely on-topic by mangu · · Score: 5, Funny
    Somewhere in Texas... A village is missing its idiot.


    Not in Columbus, Ohio. The village idiot is heading the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services.

  11. Here is what he ran it on. by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 5, Informative

    On Saturday 09 October 2004 4:23 am, John Burrowy wrote:
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    > http://www.newsnet5.com/news/3793629/detail.html
    >

    Actually, he wasn't a programmer. He was a database application specialist
    (Oracle). And it wasn't just a server. It was a 4 processor LPAR running on
    an IBM p690, with 6GB of RAM assigned. I've known about the SETI project,
    but who would have guessed that they made an AIX version?

    And contrary to his claim about the system not being used on the weekend, he
    was discovered precisely because some of the other developers were
    complaining about the reduced performance on the system.

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  12. Re:you're not a sysadmin, are you... by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Furthermore, and I have to point this out to users ALL the time- the computer they use is not theirs. It belongs to the company, as does the telephone, the power that PC uses, and its internet connection.

    Bet you're a popular guy around the office

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