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The Greatest And The Luckiest Of Mortals

sgant writes "So says the 18th-century French mathematician Joseph-Louis Lagrange about Sir Isaac Newton. The New York Times has a piece on 'The Newtonian Moment: Science and the Making of Modern Culture' which is a new exhibit at the NY Public Library. It includes a number of Newton's manuscripts from the Cambridge University Library, including a first edition of his most famous work, "Principia," bearing the author's corrections and additions for the next printing, have never before been shown in the United States."

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  1. 'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by agent+dero · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm enduring college level calculus right now, and to think that one man, more or less invented a major area of mathematics that we use in a vast array of situations, is simply, incredible.

    Given the resources he had availible, it's simply amazing he accomplished what he did

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    1. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by bvdbos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree completely, I gave up on university-level calculus and felt ashamed. How could someone "invent" this such a long time ago. Of course we (/.-ers) all read Neal Stephansons trilogy "The Baroque Cycle" so we know a bit about Newton and the likes. It wasn't just Newton, it was the atmosfere surrounding the Royal Society (assuming that part of the trilogy is not fiction). Still, a relatively small group of people accomplishing this is amazing...

    2. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Interesting
      • I'm enduring college level calculus right now, and to think that one man, more or less invented a major area of mathematics that we use in a vast array of situations, is simply, incredible.
      Boy is that ever true, I remember when going through all my calc classes that I found it hard to conceive that someone could ever figure out all this stuff on their own. It's hard enough to remember/learn even now (unless you're really talened at math) after hundreds of years and countless refinement.

      It's not just Newton though. I had to take a math history class as part of my "capstone" courses to get my CS degree. It was a fascinating course and we learned of so many people who developed different areas of math. One thing I remember well because it was funny is that pretty much everyone who's done significant work on set theory has spent time in mental hospitals, most after they did the work. :)

    3. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by slacktide · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And of course, Archimedes pretty much a cat's whisker away from discovering the integral around 200 BC, as described in the nearly lost work "The Method"

    4. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by syousef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm enduring college level calculus right now, and to think that one man, more or less invented a major area of mathematics that we use in a vast array of situations, is simply, incredible.

      That's because they don't teach it the way it was developed. What you learn is a santised version and you learn it in the wrong order (compared to order of discovery and development).

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    5. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by Chucky+B.+Bear · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I do agree that Newton discovered/invented a large part of our mathematics but when people mention Newton they always seem to forget that he didn't really think up everything out of thin air.

      The story about him and Robert Hooke is quite and interesting one and makes you think about how much he actually did do. Robert Hooke did infact accuse Newton of plagiarism but the charge was dropped because Hooke didn't have proof of his own theory and made some assumptions on intuitive grounds.

      Makes one think that if someone would now proof Einsteins theory of relativity, if they would then discredit Einstein for the discovery.

    6. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by Jim+Starx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When he said that he was referring almost exclusively to Gallileo who formulated the laws of motion in a slightly different fasion many years before Newton did. That doesn't take anything away from the man's genius mind you. He did most of his work when he was 22 years old. Just slightly older then I am. Pretty amazing.

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    7. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by The+Dark+P · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember a documentary on Newton in which it was stated that he came up with the phrase as a put down to Robert Hooke who disagreed with Newton's position on optics.

      Hooke was a hunchback and sensetive about his height. It was in a letter sent by Newton to his rival that he said:

      " If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"

    8. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by 31eq · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's three posts now claiming the "shoulders of giants" remark was a dig at Hooke. The context doesn't really bear it out. Newton sent the letter to diffuse a dispute over attribution, really a simple apology, with this remark as a "no hard feelings" conclusion.

      They did have a serious row shortly before the publication of Principia Mathematica when Hooke provoked another argument in a more obnoxious way, and Newton responded by deleting all the (originally generous) citations to Hooke. From this point, we can assume bad faith on both sides. However, the idea that Newton was slipping ad hominem remarks into his earlier letters is a bit fanciful.

    9. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by Jim+Starx · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Moreover, that sort of hen-pecking at Newton and Leibniz is not really productive. No one cares more about precision and correctness in definitions than mathematicians, and yet mathematicians still assign credit to those two.

      Welcome to the point sherlock. I'm not henpecking, I'm just stating a fact. They're not perfect, knowone is. People seem to be under the impression that they are 100% responcible for calculus as we know it. They certainly deserve credit for the bulk of it, but they had help along the way.

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    10. Re:'Greatest and Luckiest of Mortals' indeed by n3k5 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      not invented, discovered
      also, Leibniz also independantly devised the system of calculus at the same time
      In 'META MATH! -- The Quest for Omega', Gregory Chaitin writes:
      Newton was a great physicist, but he was definitely inferior to Leibniz both as a mathematician and as a philosopher. And Newton was a rotten human being---so much so that Djerassi and Pinner call their recent book Newton's Darkness.

      Leibniz invented the calculus, published it, wrote letter after letter to continental mathematicians to explain it to them, initially received all the credit for this from his contemporaries, and then was astonished to learn that Newton, who had never published a word on the subject, claimed that Leibniz had stolen it all from him. Leibniz could hardly take Newton seriously!

      But it was Newton who won, not Leibniz.

      Newton bragged that he had destroyed Leibniz and rejoiced in Leibniz's death after Leibniz was abandoned by his royal patron, whom Leibniz had helped to become the king of England. It's extremely ironic that Newton's incomprehensible Principia---written in the style of Euclid's Elements---was only appreciated by continental mathematicians after they succeeded in translating it into that effective tool, the infinitesimal calculus that Leibniz had taught them!

      Morally, what a contrast! Leibniz was such an elevated soul that he found good in all philosophies: Catholic, Protestant, Cabala, medieval scholastics, the ancients, the Chinese... It pains me to say that Newton enjoyed witnessing the executions of counterfeiters he pursued as Master of the Mint.

      [The science-fiction writer Neal Stephenson has recently published the first volume, Quicksilver, of a trilogy about Newton versus Leibniz, and comes out strongly on Leibniz's side. See also Isabelle Stengers, La Guerre des sciences aura-t-elle lieu?, a play about Newton vs. Leibniz, and the above mentioned book, consisting of two plays and a long essay, called Newton's Darkness.]
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  2. Various bits about Newton and my youth by xirtam_work · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I went to the same boys school as Newton originally went to, called the 'Kings School' in Grantham, Lincolnshire, England where Newton scratched his name into the wall of the old library. As was the custom at the time, many other students scratched and carved their names. His looks considerably less impressive than others. We were all taught that he attended the school and about his subsequent accomplishments. There is a garden named after him with a single apple tree in the middle, although it's not one he ever sat under. One of the various 'houses' in the school is also named after him. The town has a statue of him in front of the guildhall (equivalent to a town hall). However, in their rush to name things after him they have named a travisty of a shopping mall after him, which is awful, it's called the 'Isaac Newton Shopping Centre' and is particularlly down market with a big plastic apple hanging high near one of the entrances. Growing up asa kid I saw Newton's name and face everywhere as he adorned the back of the one pound note, the equivalent of a $1 bill. Sadly that was replaced by a coin with nobody on the reverse of the queens 'head' side. Even worse my home town is now remembered more for 'Maggie Thatcher' than Newton. I hope that one day the place will be associated more for Newton than Thatcher, but it is unlikely as he wasn't born there (he was born in Colsterworth nearby), only attending school there for a while when he was young. Lastly, I hope that Apple Computer bring back their Newton as it was a fantastic machine which deserved to bear the name of such an amazing man.

    1. Re:Various bits about Newton and my youth by netean · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For a While I lived in the same house that Newton was born in (and did his famous light refraction experiment).

      It's a place with great "power", even though, over time the building has been greatly altered and the surrounding countryside is now covered in houses, there is still something magical about the place.
      Going out on windy days I knew I was possibly standing on the exact same spots where young Isaac did his own first rudimentary experiments (jumping into the wind, to see if affected how far he could jump)

      Everyone interested in science should go there at least once. There's very few places like it left anymore.

  3. A weird guy by noerej · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm currently reading a book writte by Bill Bryson called ' A short Hisory of Nearly Everything'.
    In this book het tells how strang guy Newton was. Newton once poked with a needle behind his eyers becease he wanne know what happends. Just by sheer luck nothing happend. He also discovered some verry inportant things but he kept is secret for almost 30 years.

    He was briliant but he was also solitary,sombre and nearly paranoea.

    1. Re:A weird guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That was during his work on optics. Few people realise that the bulk of modern understanding of optics was discovered by Newton early in his career. This body of work is at least as important as The Principia and calculus.

  4. Re:luckiest? by melvster · · Score: 1, Interesting

    As opposed to Leibniz, who was a womaniser, an alcoholic and in his spare time discovered differential calculus (simultaneously to newton, in fact, his 'Acta Eruditorum' was published 1 year before newton's 'Principia').

  5. It's Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathemat by panurge · · Score: 4, Interesting
    (Not enough room to get in the "You insensitive clod" as well.)


    Amazing how Newton's status has changed. In the early 70s the Cambridge Union Society actually sold off a copy of the Principia cheap (as the guy who beat me to it gloated at me at considerable length). They wouldn't do that nowadays when virtually every Latin edition is worth a great deal of money.
    Just as it's extremely difficult to spend any time in Florence without becoming aware of the Dante connection, it's quite difficult to spend time in Cambridge, England without encountering Newton. Whatever his faults - and he was clearly not an easy person to get on with - he made major contributions to optics, pure physics, chemistry, mathematics and the running of the Royal Mint. Other people around at the time did remarkable work - Hooke, Boyle, Liebniz - but Newton surpassed them al for sheer output, breadth and depth. Logically, nowadays, with a much larger and better educated population we should be throwing up lots of Newtons. Why aren't we? Is it because all the relatively easy science and maths has now been done and it takes large organisations and computing power to make any advance at all? Or is it because clever people get pulled off into business or celebrity before they really have a chance to do any work that will really endure?

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  6. typo [Re:It's Philosophiæ Naturalis Principi] by j.leidner · · Score: 2, Interesting
    NB: 'Liebniz' -> read: Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz

    [I]t's quite difficult to spend time in Cambridge, England without encountering Newton.

    Well, hard to not encounter anyone who has a King Kong sized statue in his old college's chapel.

    I wonder whether the discovery of the Turing Machine, the machine that can be all machines, at the very same place might not be an equally impressive achievement.

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  7. Re:infinitesimals by Baudelaire76 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Math is rigorous. You need a set of rules that hold in all situations.


    Perhaps. But mathematical definitions are not necessarily rigorous. Try to formulate a rigorous definition of a set.

    Another interesting case of the non-rigorous use of mathematics was by Dirac. He used the delta-function comfortably for a while, while the mathematicians cried foul (IIRC, the great von Neumann was one of them). Eventually they realized that, while not rigorous, he was right. Of course, he knew he had to be.

    I don't discount the worth of rigor--far from it. An attempt at a rigorous argument often exposes implicit assumptions and possible caveats. But those who believe that mathematics is (or is even capable of being) an absolute, water-tight framework are living in a fantasy world (as the great Bertrand Russell unfortunately discovered).