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Radio Re-Volt: Broadcasting For The Common Man

An anonymous reader writes "Well, almost for the common man. This Wired article describes a project of the Walker Art Museum in Minneapolis to teach people about the power of radio through the use of cheap low-power FM transmitters. Although each transmitter is limited to a range of about a block, they're cheap enough that I could see them being spread out across a city to cover it with a signal. It'd be interesting to do something like that and feed these inexpensive networks via a netcast. You could use something like this to air programming that commercial stations won't broadcast because it's not commercially viable or because it doesn't fit in with the interests of big media. You can read the above article or go directly to the Radio Re-Volt Web site."

163 comments

  1. Key question? by comwiz56 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How much to liscense the spectrum to transmit this on?

    1. Re:Key question? by rts008 · · Score: 1

      When I RTA, I got the impression that keeping the transmitter low powered, no lic. is req'd. Don't know the threshold/legal power limits. Might be similar to walkie-talkies/ cb radio I'm guessing.

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    2. Re:Key question? by comwiz56 · · Score: 1

      I thought on FM it involved distance transmitted and anything more than a few 100 feet needed to be liscensed.

    3. Re:Key question? by Tango42 · · Score: 1

      Don't walkie-talkies have a set band they can operate in, which is designated for that use? And I think you do need a license to operate a CB radio.

    4. Re:Key question? by zipoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I think you do need a license to operate a CB radio.

      No you don't.

      Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service is a private two-way voice communication service for use in personal and business activities of the general public. Its communications range is from one to five miles.

      Licensing
      License documents are neither needed nor issued and there are no age or citizenship requirements. As long as you use only an unmodified FCC certificated CB unit, you are provided authority to operate a CB unit in places where the FCC regulates radio communications.

    5. Re:Key question? by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 3, Informative
      No license needed as long as you transmit as less than 250microvolts/m^3 at a distance of three meters. This implies that the transmitter range will be limited to about 200 feet. This would conform to unlicensed very low power transmitters at cited in Part 15 of title 47. These devices are commonly referred to as Part 15 devices.

      The relevant documentation can be found here

    6. Re:Key question? by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

      Except they seem to be talking about each station running 1W. That is enough to reach at least a few miles line-of-sight. They also have an example of a case being filed against an unlicensed 10W station on their website, though the link is broke so I don't know more than that.

      Somehow I get the impression there is some element of risk involved in this venture...

    7. Re:Key question? by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 1
      Uhh its actually .001 watt . . .there is a ".00" in front of that "One." the following quote is from the wired article, but it is confirmed by visiting the Radio ReVolt Website

      At least that's the idea behind Radio Re-Volt: One Person .00One Watt, a project by Minneapolis' Walker Art Center that intends to open the radio airwaves to the general public, one small radio station at a time.

    8. Re:Key question? by connorbd · · Score: 2

      You do need a license for aviation and some marine operation though. (The rules for marine operation are pretty strict -- license required for boats over a certain size and ship-to-shore operation, as well as HF radiotelephone. I don't know the specifics on aviation.)

  2. Oh, I get it... by rts008 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Radio Blogs"...I should probably be scared, yet somehow I'm fascinated!

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  3. Is that legal? by Duke+Machesne · · Score: 1

    I know low-power FM broadcasts are legal without a license (such as an mp3 player that broadcasts to your car radio,) but would current regulations have anything to say about a network of such transmitters spread out over an area larger than an individual transmitter is allowed to broadcast?

    1. Re:Is that legal? by Duke+Machesne · · Score: 1

      oh, and one more thing:

      TALK HARD!

    2. Re:Is that legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Section 15.23 of the FCC rules states that an individual may construct and operate up to 5 (five) such transmitters for personal use.

    3. Re:Is that legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its very pointless and probably illegal in which case why not use a transmitter with more "poke". These mini transmitters are illegal to use in the UK but are seemingly legal to sell. I wonder if anyone has been arrested for using one yet?

      In the UK you can get a Restricted Service Licence for up to 28 days. Providing you can meet the technical specs and there is a frequency (and and you can pay all the licence fees) then you can broadcast. Oh and you have to adhere to the broadcasting guidelines as setout by Ofcom.

      There is also "community" radio which can be setup with grants and you can get a licence to broadcast for a year or more. You aren't allowed to make a profit but its a far better solution than hooking up a load of low power transmitters. The community station in South Wales (can't remember its name) can be heard down by Bristol which is probably some 20 miles away. Not bad going!

    4. Re:Is that legal? by chaoticset · · Score: 1
      It won't matter. The FCC will claim it's being used for "terror" purposes, and the FBI will step in with vans sweeping the cities to detect radio transmissions, and there will be the necessary committees to determine whether people have the necessary soldering skills.

      HAVE YOU OR HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN SOMEONE WHO PURCHASED ITEMS FROM RADIO SHACK?!

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  4. Or you could use Icecast and reach globally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Of course that wouldn't work if you were in the US because they don't have the Internet there yet. Perhaps for a backwards nation like the US where the media is tightly controlled by the Stat^H^H^HCorporate overlords, this is a really big step. But for modern countries net streaming a far better broadcasting alternative.

    1. Re:Or you could use Icecast and reach globally. by kevinb04240 · · Score: 2, Informative

      One could use icecast and reach globally - given one has the bandwidth to do so. On a normal DSL connection, however, you're limited to < 1MBit upstream. So, you could have (at most) about 8 people worldwide listening to your broadcast. THEN you have to worry about licensing fees if you're really thinking about setting anything viable up. I help operate at a 13-watt radio station at the University I work at. We are pretty popular in the radius of a few miles that we reach. Last year we added a Shoutcast stream that has proven pretty popular, but we had to limit the quality to 24k and the number of listeners so we wouldn't saturate the University's outgoing pipe. Bandwidth alone, we pay about $800/yr in licensing to ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, and SoundExchange for over-the-air and streaming rights. We're lucky, as an University, our streaming is often including in our over-the-air license and we don't have to pay per song played either. My point. Streaming is great, but there are still a number of hurdles to jump.

    2. Re:Or you could use Icecast and reach globally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, and SoundExchange

      Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Poor Americans. They don't even understand their own slave-like condition.

  5. First Amendment Recovery by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The government has been defaulting on the First Amendment ever since it started licensing broadcast rights to centralized groups and excluding others from those rights.

    Of course, such small radio stations will not recover the First Amendment -- the Internet has done a lot more to recover First Amendment rights anyway.

    However, even with one person one watt, the failure of the government to protect freedom of religion and indeed impose politically correct beliefs upon the private lives of citizens continues not only unabated but exacerbated through the multiplication of government agencies overseeing out compliance with federal mandates about with whom we must associate in our private affairs.

    The damage caused by that interference has now built up a debt as large as slavery. Such debts are so enormous and the government so unlikely to pay down those debts that basically the current US government cannot claim any legitimacy any longer.

    1. Re:First Amendment Recovery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, even with one person one watt, the failure of the government to protect freedom of religion and indeed impose politically correct beliefs upon the private lives of citizens continues not only unabated but exacerbated through the multiplication of government agencies overseeing out compliance with federal mandates about with whom we must associate in our private affairs.

      Thats all we need. More judeo-christian bigotry in the name of "protection of religious freedom". If the best thing that radio or internet can do is to chant mantras from the bible then we should all go back to the middle ages of europe, at 1 Gbps ofcourse !

    2. Re:First Amendment Recovery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one suspects the Spanish inquisition!

    3. Re:First Amendment Recovery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The government has been defaulting on the First Amendment ever since it started licensing broadcast rights to centralized groups and excluding others from those rights.
      Interesting. I never knew that Ben Franklin and all the other guys in wigs predicted the invention of radio. Odd that they didn't explicitly mention it in the constitution, though.
  6. Alternative uses... by terraformer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Although each transmitter is limited to a range of about a block, they're cheap enough that I could see them being spread out across a city to cover it with a signal.

    Or as a micro station at outdoor festivals, concerts and sporting events to name a few. If you have ever been to Grass Roots, Jazz Fest, or a phish anything, you could see how this could be viral and allow for some interesting intermissions.

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  7. Or you could broadcast on the internet. by Lispy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course I like the idea of the classic 80s pirate radiosenders but today you can just broadcast whatever you want via the net and make it available to a much larger audience. I really like those for iTrip like applications, though.

    1. Re:Or you could broadcast on the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the net is controlled by ISPs who can cancel your account if they think you are doing something "objectionable". Worse, you can go to jail these days if the track you down (by IP or other info) for simple file sharing stuff.

    2. Re:Or you could broadcast on the internet. by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trouble with web "broadcast" is that it isn't a broadcast. You have to spend bandwidth for every lister connecting. The beauty of radio is that you can send one signal to everyone at once. Also, it is difficult to get proper internet connections in moving vehicles for the price of a radio receiver. If there were a similar initiative where I'm at, I'd love to operate a transmitter.

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  8. RF power is like bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    when you have some its never enough

    1. Re:RF power is like bandwidth by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

      I know just how you feel. Just check out my conribution to this wonderful 1W radio networking project.

  9. A further reminder. . . by TimmyDee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That culture and new ideas can come from "that place you fly over on a SFO-JFK flight."

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    1. Re:A further reminder. . . by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      that place you fly over on a SFO-JFK flight."

      Do you mean the Midwest?

      I think it is sad that this innovation had come because small radio stations aren't being licenced.

    2. Re:A further reminder. . . by TimmyDee · · Score: 1

      It's great that my comment is modded insightful. Originally, I meant it to be funny -- having grown up in the Midwest I often got the impression that many (not all, but many) people on the coasts just treat the region like a bunch of farms and empty space. In reality, it's much more than that. I'm glad to see the Walker making a name for itself. It's a really fabulous institution in a very vibrant metropolitan area.

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    3. Re:A further reminder. . . by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      No kidding. Minneapolis is one of the hotspots of creative cultural activity in the US right now. I'm really hoping I get a job at the Guthrie theater soon which is attached the the Walker. Amazing creative energy here, it really has to be seen to be believed.

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  10. A consideration... by Doctor+Klaproth · · Score: 0

    I don't like the idea of more EM radiation flying around. What kind of hazard would all these broadcasts be to people's health? Is it worth even thinking about?

    1. Re:A consideration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't like the idea of more EM radiation flying around. What kind of hazard would all these broadcasts be to people's health? Is it worth even thinking about?

      Switching from an aluminium foil hat to tinfoil should be adequate for a one watt FM transmitter.

      And whenever someone walks near you with a cell phone? They're trying to hack your brain.

    2. Re:A consideration... by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      Actually, 'EM radiation' is light. You just can't see it. But believe me, the sun spits out light that is far more energetic (and - therefore - much more dangerous). You'll be fine.

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    3. Re:A consideration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, you just made my day... funniest comment I've ever seen on /. haha

  11. Mandatory RHZ Radio Network mention by MCRocker · · Score: 2, Informative
    This reminds me a lot of the RHZ Radio Network, which aims to

    create a publicly owned and operated broadcast radio network that is built like a peer to peer network.


    RHZ radio is already up and running and streaming content on the internet so that remote stations can rebroadcast it. Very cool stuff!
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    1. Re:Mandatory RHZ Radio Network mention by connorbd · · Score: 1

      Note that its flagship station also runs on AM, not FM. Low-power FM simply isn't worth it -- too many hurdles to jump through on the regulatory level, and you'll get nailed for piracy if you try to run too big.

  12. more of nothing by C_REZ · · Score: 0

    Hopefully we'll get more music to listen to. But probably they'll just be ore radio stations for more people to talk about nothing. Democracy and the internet offer the same thing the opportunity for anyone to voice their opinion supposedly freely and without harm. Funny thing as kid you knew when to shut up cause if you didn't you knew you would get beat up.

  13. sync by reverse+flow+reactor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How does it work out buffering and syncing? How does it avoid "ghosts" or echos in the broadcast when a radio is simulateously received broadcasts from two base stations broadcasting the same broadcast on the same frequency, one getting the source broadcast over a DSL line with some latency, the other over fibre with much less latency?

    I expect that is something that must be solved in software, and, according to the article, this is a hardware device. The original poster's dream of a blanket grass-roots radio station is a little far away. That being said, a small FM broadcaster would be great for broadcasting something in the house and being able to tune in from any simple FM radio around the yard.

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    1. Re:sync by theMightyE · · Score: 1
      I was wondering about similar issues - the idea of a distributed raido 'station' is an interesting one but likely not really possible in the sense of 'multiple cheap transmitters' that the original author seems to have in mind.

      Not only would there be problems caused by two transmitters getting a signal off the internet with different latency times, but even supposing the transmitters were in perfect sync the signals from the two transmitters would only be perfectly in phase if you were standing on a line exactally between them. Move a little toward station A, and you get station A's signal a tiny bit faster than station B's, etc. This would cause ghosting, interference, etc., which is why traditional radio stations have assigned frequencies and broadcast footprints.

      Not trying to flame down the idea, just pointing out that it would need some additional thinking if it was going to be put into use.

    2. Re:sync by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does it work out buffering and syncing? How does it avoid "ghosts" or echos in the broadcast when a radio is simulateously received broadcasts from two base stations broadcasting the same broadcast on the same frequency, one getting the source broadcast over a DSL line with some latency, the other over fibre with much less latency?

      Simple - the naïve concepts of universal free speech over an inherently limited electromagnetic spectrum will overcome the physics-induced difficulties of multiple transmitters on the same frequency.

      It doesn't matter if a technology is completely unsuited for a proposed mode of usage; all that matters is that it's the thought that counts. With a good heart, bandwidth shall be greater than what is physically allowed, and overlapping FM broadcasts shall not encounter the same problems discovered years ago by broadcast engineers!

      I've got a radio astronomy background. The electromagnetic spectrum is an incredibly valuable resource, and is heavily regulated for a bloody good reason. Don't mess with it.

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    3. Re:sync by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      Why, RT Linux, of course!

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    4. Re:sync by tftp · · Score: 1
      What you just described is called "phased antenna array". These are directional antennas, if they are properly aligned. If not aligned, they can be awfully inefficient.

      Generally speaking, you can not have multiple antennas emitting non-synchronous signals because then you will get a lot of low frequency interference (beating) between adjacent cells. And it would be fairly difficult to phase-lock all the oscillators, though it is possible (by locking to GPS timing signals, for example.) If you do that, then you have to assign the proper phases to all the nodes, and then you get the antenna diagram that you need. Too much work, and too difficult, if you ask me.

    5. Re:sync by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I've got a radio astronomy background. The electromagnetic spectrum is an incredibly valuable resource, and is heavily regulated for a bloody good reason. Don't mess with it.

      What does radio astronomy have to do with fascism (the combination of corporate and government power)?

      As for your other point, I'd rather have a free society with rough edges than a technically flawless society that oppresses the people.

      This is exemplified by the fact that the technical shortcomings of the proposed system (which aren't as fatal as you're implying) are a result of faulty regulation. It's like Linux vs Windows. Linux is (liberty-wise & socially) superior to Windows, and technically superior to Windows. The main drawbacks come from MS exerting exclusive control over vast domains of operation (such as protocols and technologies that Linux (and free software that make up a Linux distro) are not allowed to include).

  14. Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Putting multiple low-power unsynchronized FM transmitters on the same frequency in a small area is going to yield mutual interference, not wide area coverage.

    This would work better with Wi-Fi enabled boom boxes. Wi-Fi can handle multiple transmitters. An Wi-Fi enable Walkman-like device has real possibilities.

    1. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by ir0b0t · · Score: 1

      Can you say in more detail how the Wi-Fi boomboxes would work? Its an interesting idea. Would the user need a kit to make it work? Software?

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    2. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by Animats · · Score: 1

      The hardware is coming. The next step is to reprogram it to do more for local microcasters.

    3. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by Animats · · Score: 1

      Oh, and here is the first Wi-Fi enabled boom box. Community Media Platforms is working this area.

    4. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by connorbd · · Score: 1

      Wifi is meant for end-to-end network connections though -- you need some kind of digital broadcasting standard like Digital Radio Mondiale. You could probably do it with firmware hacking on a Linksys though.

    5. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There is a problem with using an internet technology for delivery, and that is licensing. Radio stations pay license fees to ASCAP/BMI, and the rates for noncommercial stations are very low. Also, broadcast stations are exempt from certain license fees due to an age-old agreement that views radio as helping to increase record sales. Well, internet-based media doesn't get those same deals.

    6. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by subStance · · Score: 1

      That's why you put them far enough apart that they don't overlap, and therefore the interference is insignificant.

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    7. Re:Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by DaChesserCat · · Score: 1

      So, he took a big honkin' boom box, stuck a power supply, mini-itx mobo, a small hard drive, and a Linksys PCI WiFI adaptor in it. No other info available; picked that up from looking at the pictures. Not sure if this qualifies as a case mod (I mean, it's a computer, but it doesn't LOOK like a computer) or something else. Either way, it should have some kickin' sound output.

      I've pondered, for some time, what would happen if large numbers of people had IPod-type hardware, with a WiFi or Bluetooth connection, and a public, read-only storage space available, and no encryption. If you could wander in-range of someone else, see what they've got in their publicly available directory, and download stuff that interested you, without even needing to know who exactly you got it from. Think P2P networking, without wires, without any way of figuring out who's distributing what. If the current P2P system didn't drive the RIAA crazy enough, this would REALLY push them over the edge. I suppose something like this is a logical first step in that direction.

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  15. Kinda seems like the Radio version of a Blog by SpamKu · · Score: 1

    except that only someone on your block can hear you, unless the signal is constantly repeated to extend range by fans/fellow radio low watt types.

    Anyway, looks very cool to me.

    Freedom of speech, even if a small voice. Rock On!

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  16. Rumours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, they are going to remake Pump Up the Volume but this time using Podcasting.

  17. Another example of this: by maysonl · · Score: 1

    Announcing the launch of
    RHZ AMATEUR RADIO NETWORK

    The RHZ Amateur Radio Network is a articipatory experiment aiming to create
    the possibility of a legal, publicly owned and operated radio that grows
    successively with each new participant. Based on the FCC allowance for individuals to operate a one milliwatt> > micro-radio station, RHZ uses the internet to share content between micro-stations so they can broadcast the same content at the same time.
    > > Anyone can have their own radio station, starting with a hobby kit as
    low as $30!

    RHZ is designed to follow the parameters of FCC regulation, abide by
    copyright law, and use only free open source software to distribute
    information, while simultaneously allowing the broadcast network to grow
    to
    the size of the social network that creates it.

    Blending amateur technological experimentation and social activism, RHZ
    was
    designed as project for REBEL REBEL project series for Leefahsalung at
    the
    New China Town Barber Shop.

    Broadcast Launch
    Friday September 10, 2004
    Location
    AM 1680 in Chinatown

    REBEL REBEL Public Opening and RHZ website launch
    Saturday September 11, 2004 - 6 to 9 pm
    The New China Town Barber Shop
    930 North Hill Street, Los Angeles
    and rhzradio.net on the WWW

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  18. University endorsement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My roommate (a student at the University of Minnesota) was required to build a radio transmitter for one of his classes. Beyond that though, he's supposed to create flyers for his station to hang up around the block (graphic design major). Anybody else find it weird that the university is endorsing something like this? I thought it was their job to stiffle creativity...

    1. Re:University endorsement... by rockmanac · · Score: 1

      Cool!

      I wish Marquette had done something like that.

      -A

  19. MP-308 by RyanFenton · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a product along these lines I've been interested in checking out.

    It's called the "MP-308 Car USB / FM Transmitter", Here's a review of it.

    Strangely enough, it seems to be the only Car MP3 player out there that takes a USB card - the discontinued "EMPEG" used to have such an input, but it's hard to get now. I've been wanting to use a nice cheap USB stick instead of CDs for the sheer convenience of popping it into the car and listening with an interface that's much more casual than CDs. Instead of plugging into the car's existing audio system, it works by sending out a short-range FM signal across the 87.7-88.7 dial (you select which subrange). That makes setup easy (so long as you have a good radio in the car), but I can't help but wonder how many radio markets have that FM signal open at that range, and what interference this would have with nearby cars. Fortunately, the device is fairly cheap to experiment with - you can find it for around $50 on pricewatch.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:MP-308 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mp-308 $50
      1gig of SD memory $70
      Total $120 bucks

      One CD/mp3 player $110-$150 bucks
      2 cds @ 33cents/per = .66cents
      Total $110.66 - $150.66

      Not to say the MP-308 isn't cool. It looks like an excelent means of getting removable media on any car that has a FM radio. In fact, solid state media is far cooler than bump bump bumps in the road. But make no mistake, it's not cheeper, esp if you have more than a gig of music.

      It's portable, self supporting, wireless, and transportable solution that is pretty much comptable with any car on the road made since the 70s.

    2. Re:MP-308 by RyanFenton · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but these devices are very basic. There's no directory management or playlists, no random play, just play-in-order of the files on the USB drive. Also, the audio quality will inherently be worse than a devoted car CD player.

      But the usage of one of these things would be different than a CD. I personally mostly want to listen to voice (books, philosophy, debates, talk shows, etc.), so the linear play is fine. I also want to casually pull out the USB stick from my pocket, throw something on in 5 seconds rather than 5 minutes to burn a disc, then go right to the car. I'd never want to have my whole library - just what I was interested in.

      So, to me, it's a better value than the failure-prone MP3-cd players I've tried before. And it's an interesting gadget, at least.

      Ryan Fenton

    3. Re:MP-308 by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Ah but it IS cheaper over time, unless you have a car stereo capable of playing CD-RWs. I know mine won't.

      I drive about 5, maybe 6 hours a day as a courier, and I have certainly taken interest in hooking an MP3 player into the car, rather than fumbling with CDs every 80 minutes. Not only that, but I stop a lot, and my CD player doesn't pick up where it left off, but returns to the beginning of the track. When stops are only a mile or two apart, this means the same song gets played 3/4 of the way through and repeated, unless I want to manually seek through it (which I usually do, but it's very annoying) or just skip to the next track.

      I've considered breaking everything up into one minute or less "tracks" so that at least I'll pick up reasonably close to where I left off, but then that means skipping through dozens of tracks if I want to pull up a particular song. It would also require re-burning 60 or so car discs, though some of them need to be reburned anyhow. The loading mechanism doesn't like cheap CD-Rs with no top coating and eventually wears pinholes through the metal, and even better quality discs get scratched on the data side. Needless to say, there are NO original pressed discs in the car. If a disc stops playing correctly, it gets thrown in the back seat till I get around to replacing it.

      All my audio routes through an amplifier under the seat, so I wouldn't particularly need an FM transmitter, just a way to switch between inputs. I still need to listen to the radio for news and traffic (and currently, baseball) throughout the day. So I looked at the cost and it seems the break-even point on a $60 flash MP3 player is probably 6 months to a year, in terms of CD-Rs not burned. But I would have to pick and choose, rather than having 50 to choose from at any time. If I can't figure out what I want before I leave the house, too bad, I can't listen to it. I could always fall back to the CDs in the car just as easily as turning back to the radio, but that would kinda defeat the purpose.

      It seems to me a Discman-like player that will play CD-Rs full of MP3s is a better value, as it solves the disc swap and capacity problems nicely, yet still allows me to make a permanent addition to the car library at any time. The discs also won't get scratched by a slotloading mechanism. But any "loose" hardware in a car makes for a theft target, and I don't have time to be stashing gear every time I stop, so it would have to be mostly concealed all the time. I don't think the CD-type MP3 players remember where to pick up in a track either.

      So it seems like a hard drive based player is the way to go, but then the ROI time is even longer, and it's an even shinier theft magnet. Granted, something iPod size is pretty easy to stash away in a second or two, but that's still annoying when it has to be done 20 times a day. I don't have to worry about my $100 head unit that eats CDs -- if someone wants it bad enough to risk getting caught (I'm not gone very long), then they can have it. There's nothing else of value in the car except for the amplifier and speakers which would take far longer to get to. Certainly the car itself is not of much value, with both the A/C and power steering being non-functional, and various nicks and scrapes throughout the body. If someone takes it for parts, they'd better just need doors or a left front fender, that's about all that's intact.

      A hard drive based MP3 head unit is not under consideration since that would just be a non-concealable theft magnet, unless the guts are somewhere other than in the dashboard. If it's totally invisible and operated by remote, that would probably be fine.

      What would you fellow geeks suggest as a solution to the problem?

      Mal-2

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  20. Re:Why not just set up a streaming audio server? by Deorus · · Score: 1

    > Remember: signal strength is 1/n^2 where n = distance.

    So this means you have an infinite signal strength if the antenas are touching each other?

  21. Open Source radio by ir0b0t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this is a really interesting comment. But doesn't Lawrence Lessig (who thinks a lot about electronics and free speech) write that private interests pose at least as large if not larger threat to free speech rights on the internet?

    Maybe low power radio will make a comeback in part because of commercialization of the internet? That is, low-power broadcasts represent an affordable, noncommercial space for creative experimentation and communication within a community (a/k/a free speech)?

    The homebrew quality of the transmitter also recalls early descriptions of the personal computer kit-builders in the 70s, also a good time for free speech fans.

    The small scale of the communities recalls Linus Torvalds posting about his Minix-alternative project.

    Its fun stuff. What's not to like?

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    1. Re:Open Source radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >creative experimentation and communication within a community (a/k/a free speech)

      Is this true? If I setup a legal FM transmitter broadcasting the soundtracks from hardcore pornographic movies, mixed in with KKK speeches declaring war on the, "fucking niggers", followed by the nightly 8'0clock baby killing theatre where I pretend to be killing babies that were dropped off by teen crackwhores do you think my station will last very long?

      I've wanted to setup such a little legal station since I was very young... and I've done so a couple times, half-assly. But now that I've got time and money I could do it for real. The problem is that I don't think I'd be granted anywhere near as much grace for creative expression as I am on the net. On the net people usually leave me alone since they don't know where I live... but the radio station would be local. So even if the FCC doesn't come knocking down my doors, I'm sure that my neighbors will.

    2. Re:Open Source radio by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Good thing too. If you're doing something that nobody likes, it is wrong by definition. By definition, because society gets to decide. That's what civilization *is*, asshole.

    3. Re:Open Source radio by ir0b0t · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I agree that the programming you listed qualifies as "creative." Were you to program the same content on the net, you would risk indictment.

      I don't think that the aesthetic question of what should count as creative ought to be left to prosecutorial discretion. On the other hand, my reservation hardly matters in the context of programming that would run afoul of constitutional protections whether it was posted on the net or part of a micro-broadcast.

      The net effect (hehe) is to moot the question of whether one medium or the other is more desirable for publication of constitutionally objectionable content which purports to be creative.

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  22. Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What so many people are missing about the importance of this idea is that the mass media has created a world for us. Big Money used the media to convince Americans that lower taxes for the rich and lower trade barriers and tariffs were going to be good for Americans. Those ideas were found laughable by most Americans 40 years ago. But when the billionaires and corporations fund think tanks and foundations with billions of dollars, funding and developing rightwing talent, they were able to convince Americans to hold beliefs that were actually detrimental to their own well being.

    THat is why this kind of grassroots media is so important.

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    1. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully, I'm not an american, so I don't care. Also, please die.

    2. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      No not really. There as been public access TV on cable systems for years. It is mostly crap. The Web is mostly drek as well. If you give the average person the ability to publish what ever they want guess what you get mostly crap. Sure the these micro radio stations could be fun for small local events. It could also be cool for local hot spots. A fun idea would be to have a large collection of MP-3s/Oggs and let people program the radio station by vote. Or even by taking turns. A request style system where people request a song or artist and it gets played. Of course you would have to figure out a way to prevent a script kiddie from turning it into the all Beaste Boys station.
      Yea it is kind of fun but it is not earth shattering. As to the whole BIG MONEY/BIG MEDIA are running your life... I find it strange how many people think that they are so much smarter than everyone else that they have to protect the rest of the world from being fooled. Ever think that they might be just as informed as you but just dissagree. BTW the Kerry Tax "CUT" for people that make under 200k is only a Tax cut if you have kids. It is an increase in the child tax credit and an education credit for College. Since my wife and I have no children it would be a tax increase for us even though we are making under the $200k. Trust no one. Question everything.

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    3. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should care. If the American people wake up, they're less likely to approve of you getting fucked by their government/military.

    4. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you wrote:

      No not really. There as been public access TV on cable systems for years.


      Interesting insight into your logical processes: you seem to think that public access TV is as influential as all the other mass media networks, just because it exists at all. Go figger!

      It is mostly crap. The Web is mostly drek as well.
      If you give the average person the ability to publish what ever they want guess what you get mostly crap.


      How about we tax some of these rich people and use that money to provide social services to people, like healthcare and housing and stipends to video and radio content providers? I bet if you could award $25K/year to 10K Americans who are interested in providing content to public access tv for free, and then provided the airwave space to run that content, you could build interest and viewership. And you would get content that would present viewpoints that favor the little guy over the celebrity, the solo proprietor over the corporation, the labor union over the CEO, the tariffs and trade barriers over the Race to the Bottom, the progressive taxation system over the REogressive taxation system, and the universal healthcare system over the predatory healthcare system.


      As to the whole BIG MONEY/BIG MEDIA are running your life... I find it strange how many people think that they are so much smarter than everyone else that they have to protect the rest of the world from being fooled. Ever think that they might be just as informed as you but just dissagree.



      No, that never occured to me. I have always known that I am the most intelligent creature ever to exist in the universe, and I will never be surpassed by any other entity, period.

      (for you libertarians--the above was sarcasm....)

      Umm....I WAS one of you, for years, for decades! I thought just you did! And I have always been quite the reader. Yet for almost 2 decades, I bought into the conservative/libertarian/neoliberal/corporatist mindset.

      And I actually grew up in an era when many of the hardcore neoliberal ideas we see in favor today were actually found laughable by most Americans. It is much harder for younger people to see past the mass media smokescreen laid down over the last 30 years--you people grew up in it. It is your world that was created for you by the mass media.


      BTW the Kerry Tax "CUT" for people that make under 200k is only a Tax cut if you have kids. It is an increase in the child tax credit and an education credit for College. Since my wife and I have no children it would be a tax increase for us even though we are making under the $200k. Trust no one. Question everything.


      Well, I think taxes should be raised except for people making under 25K or so.

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    5. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      How about we tax some of these rich people and use that money to provide social services to people, like healthcare and housing and stipends to video and radio content providers?

      You are a moron I take it. I'm one of those folks that, through hard work, good planning and God-given skill, make about $400K/year. At the current tax rate, I pay about $140K/year as do many of my peers. You say you're well read. Ever hear the statistic that 95% of the taxes are paid by the top 5% of Americans (I can't speak about other countries). Just how much of the "national income" for those institutions you mention (healthcare, etc) do you think comes from average Joe/Jane Blow through IRS-collected funds? Are you nuts or was your whole note sarcasm and I missed the tag. I'm tired of all the rhetoric equating well-off/rich with evil. While I feel an obligation to help the less fortunate, I think this is a feeling that should be shared by all, not just the top 5%. There's so much, "gimme, gimme, gimme" or "I'm entitled" out there.

    6. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well said, Anonymous.

      The irony is that the same group of people who insist we must forcibly take money from the rich and redistribute it are also statistically less likely to contribute to charities themselves. We can allow people who can afford to pay more do so without being punative about it.

      I'm tired of people acting all morally superior by pretending that redistributing other people's money is charity. I'm tired of hearing that the government is giving you something by taxing you less. I get tired of hearing how the rich don't pay their share. The rich are the ones fueling the engine of our great economy, as well as our big, bloated government.

      "Fair" would be if everyone paid the exact same amount, say $10000 per annum, for all the services our government provides. We are not one level removed from this level (which could be considered a certain percentage of income, say 17% across the board). We are not two levels removed from "fair" which would be a progressive tax where the richer pay a higher percentage. We are three levels removed because people are exempt from taxes for a good chunk of the average citizen's income. I'm all for closing loopholes, but it's rich people that make jobs, not the government, let's stop punishing the successful, especially those who take risks, succeeds and employ others as a result.

      The government wastes more money than it would take to pay a decent salary to every poor person in the country, and there is no politician out there who seems to be seriously working to combat that. If we overthrew the education monopoly that forces poor people to remain poor by not allowing them a decent education we could put a huge dent in poverty by allowing the people who _want_ to work their way out every chance to do so. I'm lucky. I live in a town where the schools are excellent and teachers are professional and competent. Special education services, which my family has required, are well-funded and staffed by professionals who very effective, as well as being caring. I can't see how any student in this system, with a modicum of parental involvement, couldn't succeed.

      But I can afford to live where the schools are good. It's funny that the same people who insist we need to throw more money at schools run by incompetant and corrupt bureaucracies and unions would deny those students affected the opportunity to change schools? If throwing money at the problem worked, Washington, DC would have the best schools in the country, perhaps the world, instead of being that city a borderline third-world country. How many members of Congress who have children in the Washington have them in public schools there? I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero. We can see that sons of Senators often become senators, and sons of Presidents can become Presidents, but it would be also nice for more people to have a chance to rise up from more humble origins by having that good first step. We need to quit chasing the false and destructive dream of equal outcomes (achieved by jiggering the criteria we measure) and focus on equal opportunity. Some people will fail no matter what because they lack will even without handouts sapping it away, but with the right opportunities, most people can succeed. You're not entitled to a good living, you're entitled to bust your ass and have a decent opportunity to make a good living.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    7. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Cryofan · · Score: 1

      Redistribution is NOT charity. It is paying what is rightfully DUE to the owners, i.e., the American people, via their agent, the government.

      As an analogy, if you as a lawyer work in a law firm, and you happen to do very well in bringing in new business and/or do a lot of work in general, and generate a lot of income, the partners of the firm well very may give you a large bonus commensurate with your work. But they will NOT give you most of the income you generated. For example, you may generate $1 million in income for the firm. THey do not give you $1M or even most of it. They may give you a bonus of $100K perhaps, or something similar.

      THe same situation exists in America, or at least it should: if a citizen earns $1M, he should get to keep 30% of it, perhaps. The rest should be due in taxes. That is the way it used to be! Rich people used to pay most of their income in taxes. See my sig for historical top tax rate charts.

      That same situation still exists in most other western countries--rich people give up MOST of their income in taxes.

      I would define "rich" as above 250K-500K or so, in earned and unearned income.

      What is happening right now in the USA is THEFT. The rich people are stealing from the American partnership. I hope to see some of them and their collaborators in the government in jail for this theft.

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    8. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

      You should read this article by Ted Turner. Public Access channels are of vital importance because there are so few vehicles for us to get our content out there.

      Just like the web, the problem with any media is that just because you create it, doesn't meant they will come. You need to market your content to get eyeballs. Look at Viacom. Look at AOL/Time Warner. They suceed becuase they own the media chain from start to finish. They heavily market their own stuff. Why is there great programing on the History, Discovery, NASA, A&E channels, (I can keep going) and yet it aren't all that popular? Because no one knows about it. If I own ABC, I don't want to let other networks advertise on my air time. I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face, taking in a small pitance to lose eyeballs.

      The web DOES have good content, but many use AOL landing pages, Yahoo landing pages, MSN landing pages to find content, which means that just like music and the record labels, you only see what they want you to see. I have trouble veering outside my typical 10 or 20 web pages for lack of thinking of new and random stuff that I would like (somebody build the application that will change the way people surf - again).

      The problem is that these days, the indi folks learn how to shoot and edit and try to produce content. What really needs to happen is a concerted effort to work with others who are absolutely necessary to create content that can rival big media. Set designers, makeup artists, actors, script writers, lighting people are all needed in addition to editors and videographers. Don't forget the lack of marketers, pr people, and the inability to take in revenue/advertising dollars that further keeps independant media in a placec that makes the average joe like you think that public access is a load of crap.

      I am biased. I work for an aducational tv studio based out of a high school. We graduate students that have more skills than any college student I have seen working in video. We have univerisites coming to see how we have our studio and editing lab setup, taking notes so they know how they are supposed to do it. We broadcast out locally over 2 cable channels and are currently converting all of our content for web. We are lucky that bandwidth isnt really a problem, a luxury that few other independant content creators have.

      On a side note, anyone know how to write an application that will act as a local client to download and cache video content for on demand viewing? I might be able to make you famous.

    9. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Wow, Karl. I thought you were dead. They tried it your way in a number of countries, most of which don't exist any more. From everyone according to their talent to everyone according to their need. This could have only worked in the Garden of Eden. Everywhere else, it's a lose-lose proposition where there is no incentive to succeed.

      The American partnership, (although what you describe sounds more like the one-sided Soviet partnership to me), might work fine when I am paying for infrastructure and defense, etc., but that does not mean I am somehow morally obligated to pay for a whole generation of leeches who have been reduced to welfare slaves, being taught that they are helpless. Throwing money at our problems is what has caused most of the problems we have today.

      Capitalism is not exploitation. You have some views, which while might be popular in Europe, who is quickly declining in world influence and relevance, and most of which is floundering in double-digit unemployment and low productivity, but it is very contrary to the American point-of-view, especially what existed before the government became this huge monlithic nanny-state that tries to control every aspect of our lives. When the government isn't there to bail out every person who decided he just doesn't feel like working, then most people deal with it. The problem is that people now expect it, and demand it whether they need it or not, and the last thing people will vote for is to take away their handouts. This has been the strategy of the Democratic party for years, bribing voters. The truly conservative, by which I mean the libertarian-leaning kind, want to leave people alone, unless there is a serious problem. The difference is between assuming you are better than everyone, and know what is best for them, and letting people make their own way and succeed on their own merits. Your philosophy only punishes the successful, and takes away their incentive to succeed. It is the recipe for failure that we've seen time and time again in places like the Soviet Union. I'm glad you aren't forcing your governmental umbilical cord into me... I want to succeed or fail (and I've done plenty of both) on my own. Any decent person does. But with an ever-increasing system of entitlements and the soft bigotry of low expectations, the worst self-fulfilling prophecy in public life, we will destroy everything that made us the most powerful country in the world. But then again, maybe you are someone who wants that too.

      The problem is that we are treating the truly in-need with the simply lazy or corrupt the same way, and we get more of what we pay for. We teach people to be dependent, and it's a lesson they learn well. It's a small logical step from favoring the disadvantage to punishing the advantaged. Under your way of thinking, I'd expect sandbags tied to my arms and loud buzzer in my ear a la Vonnegut, because "How dare I have an advantage over someone?"

      The philosophy of equal outcomes guarantees failure for all.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    10. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      The irony is that the same group of people who insist we must forcibly take money from the rich and redistribute it are also statistically less likely to contribute to charities themselves.

      heh....uh.....ok. That is quite a bold statement. You got anything to back it up with?

      didn't think so

    11. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Before you put words in my mouth let me back it up. That's the problem with people like you, you have lots of glib but content-free comebacks that take little or no effort, but you have nothing to offer to the discussion.

      Here are a few quotes I found with Google, but there's much more out there if you dig a little:

      http://www.michigan.gov/mcsc/0,1607,7-137-6118_117 35-35396--,00.html

      Excerpt:

      Some variation in volunteering rates emerged by political affiliation, with higher rates for Republicans (58.6%) than for Democrates (48.5%) or Independents (47.9%).

      http://www.researchatlanta.org/FullReports/01_Phil anthropyPatterns.pdf

      Excerpt:

      Republicans give and volunteer more than Democrats and those who did not identify a political affiliation.

      http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110004271
      http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/gen erosity.php?year=2003

      Excerpt:

      [T]he resulting index shows that the top 20 states all went for George W. Bush in the 2000 election--while 15 of the 20 least generous went for Al Gore.

      Of course, I could just make stuff up, because I'm sure you are perfectly content to remain in your smug ignorance.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    12. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by The+Conductor · · Score: 1
      How short our memories are. The 70% tax rates of the 70's created all sorts of weird distortions in the economy: clever tax shleters leading to rules to close loopholes leading to impossibly complex tax codes (even worse than now), and so on. The result was all sorts of investments being guided by tax implications instead of economic merit. In some cases very productive people (whose skills were highly in demand) simply stayed home because the only other choice was working for the tax man. What didn't happen was higher tax receipts; the income disappeared.

      Also, income tax taxes...well...income...not wealth. This is why ther uber-rich are often supporters of steep income taxes; their income is in the past (which makes them rich now), so taxing future income closes out competitors who might bid against them for oceanfront property in the Hamptons.

      In the end, everyone lost because of the drag on the economy. The tax cuts of the 80's made the rich richer, but they also made the the poor richer. The principal losers were the politically-connected elite and spoiled-brat heirs & heiresses.

    13. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      erm...your statistics leave a bit to be desired. Your first link only covers Michigan and your second link is only for Atlanta, GA. The 3rd link is to a site called "Opinion Journal" and doesn't even bother to cite it's sources. It also includes such gems as: Maybe, he suggests, the difference is that those in red states are more generous with their own money while those in blue states are more likely to be generous with other people's money. Definately an impartial source.

      Overall I would say that this is a really bad sample population.

      This last link I am not really sure what to make of. It seems to show that the states that make the least money donate a higher percentage of their income than people who make more. One of those sites also mentioned that the highest donations were people earning 60,000 to 90,000, a pretty comfortable, but not rich position. The only correlation I am seeing is the state income one, the interesting part is that all of the states that donated the least actual money all ended up in the leading positions.

      Overall, I don't think that results from one state and one city give an accurate representation.

    14. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Overall, I don't think that results from one state and one city give an accurate representation.

      No, but it's more than you expected, now isn't it?

      I wasn't able to find anything broader, but I have heard that statistic being cited numerous times. I apologize if I don't have the time to do more thorough research. I think you can admit I'm not just speaking out of my butt.

      The OpinionJournal piece isn't objective, but it is citing something that is, the statistic from the Catalogue for Philanthropy, which is not overtly partisan, which shows that all the most generous (in comparison to income) states are red, and almost all of the least generous states were blue. I would take a citation from the Wall Street Journal as having merit, even in an opinion piece. This isn't ipso facto proof of my assertion either, but goes toward the trend.

      If you insist I'll be happy to dig more when I have time, but I've got code to write right now. Considering I'm doing all the work here, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    15. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You know, your analogy has a glaring flaw (well, many, but one in particular), citizens are not employees of the government.

      That same situation might exist in other western countries, but their economies suck compared to the U.S. Rich people are not stealing from everyone. You've just been suckered in by the bigotry of class warfare, inflamed by the hypocritical Dick Gephardt, Tom Daschle and John Kerry. As usual for the Democrats, they play on people's envy, jealousy, hatred and fear. Quit hating the rich and work to become one.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  23. Lines, lines, lines... by magarity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be interested in browsing through their site but the diagonal green and white lines over the text makes reading a chore rather than a pleasure. Looks like a sample from the Bad Interface Hall of Shame.

    1. Re:Lines, lines, lines... by kawauso-kun · · Score: 1

      Sshhhhh. They're radio people.

  24. Feasible? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    If a message isn't commercially viable enough to get people to simply tune in and listen, what makes you think that somehow one dude on every city block will invest in a transmitter and the upkeep necessary to re-broadcast a singal they're receiving?

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    1. Re:Feasible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NPR isn't commercially viable, but it deserves to be broadcast.

      The term "commercially viable" doesn't mean no one will listen, it simply means that commercial broadcasters don't think they can make money off it, whether that's actually true or not. Look at alternative rock in the 1980s. At that time, the only place you could hear bands like REM, the Violent Femmes, the Pixies, They Might Be Giants, etc. was on college radio. Commercial stations wouldn't touch that kind of programming. Now, that music is considered "classic alternative", and any Program Director at a modern rock station will tell you that bands like Nirvana, Nickelback, Velvet Revolver, and others have their roots in this music. Hell, I just heard The Cure playing on my local Hot AC station.

      And even if certain programming truly isn't commercially viable, it still needs to be heard. For decades, network TV news always lost money, but the networks kept doing it partly out of a sense of public responsibility and partly because, at that time, the FCC actually held broadcasters to a public service standard. So what's changed? Well, the networks figured out that they could take the news, spice it up and dumb it down, and make a profit off it, and an FCC that had been captured by corporate interests would look the other way. And now we have the utterly shitty, yet commercially viable, news programs that you see every day.

    2. Re:Feasible? by node+3 · · Score: 1

      If a message isn't commercially viable enough to get people to simply tune in and listen, what makes you think that somehow one dude on every city block will invest in a transmitter and the upkeep necessary to re-broadcast a singal they're receiving?

      Given the assumption that such grass roots community actions are seen as a good thing, what makes you think they will come about if you don't try?

      Yeah, this project might fail--in fact, odds are it will take off in a big way. But even just this single slashdot story has caused people to think about something in a more enlightened way, and that, if nothing else comes of this, is a success. And I do expect some localized successes. There will be two avid hackers who communicate with each other on the same block, there will be an apartment building that is covered by revolutionary anti-corporate messages, there will be a college dorm that is covered by alternative news and music, etc.

      But remember, the slashdot story itself is a success.

  25. Welding? by certsoft · · Score: 1
    only requiring users to do a little welding and drilling.

    I sure hope they actually mean soldering.

  26. A beowulf cluster? by poptones · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This isn't something that can be made into a "cluster." Either you have to put them far enough apart there are holes in the signal or you end up with overlapping transmitters just a few hz apart - essentially "stepping on" your own signal. Either that, or you'd have to ask your listener to retune every 500 feet to another channel so you got no overlap.

    Microwatt transmitters have their uses, but I'm afraid that ain't one of them.

    So... what's the point? Do people even listen to the radio anymore? I mean, maybe in their cars - but anywhere else? I've been involved in one way or another with radio since I was a teen and even operated my own fleawatt when I was a kid, but that was a long time before the internet.

    If you want to be a pirate it seems to me you'd reach a lot more people taking the max headroom route. When I was a kid I actually wanted to be a radio pirate - now I see no point in it at all aside from being any easy means of civil disobedience. But now, with the internet and the ease with which we can build a vast video library (not to mention it's just as easy to locate a tv modulator as an fm modulator) I'd much rather be Reg.

    1. Re:A beowulf cluster? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't something that can be made into a "cluster." Either you have to put them far enough apart there are holes in the signal or you end up with overlapping transmitters just a few hz apart - essentially "stepping on" your own signal. Either that, or you'd have to ask your listener to retune every 500 feet to another channel so you got no overlap.

      Actually, what you really do is tune them to the same frequency - as long as you're using FM. FM has the wierd property that if you have two FM stations transmitting on the same frequency, the stronger station is what's received with little to no interference. This phenomenon (the Capture Effect) results in you only hearing one station on your receiver.

      Thus, all you really need is to keep all the transmitters on the same frequency, and the receiver will seamlessly switch among the microtransmitters. If there are slight errors, as long as they're within the error range acceptable to a receiver, the receiver will cooperate. Might as well exploit all potential advantages. Imagine a city-wide radio transmission using microtransmitters. Quite useful. The only problem is how to distribute the signal to the transmitters...

  27. In a word, by murderlegendre · · Score: 1

    no.

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  28. Good answer by SaDan · · Score: 3, Informative

    CB radio consists of 40 different channels anyone can use.

    Let me tell those of you who have not used a CB radio before, they are incredibly handy to have. I have a good setup on my car (although my transceiver just took a dive, will be upgrading that unit this next week!), and on the open highway in open country, you can send and receive a good distance.

    A CB radio is the best "radar detector" money can buy. Truckers are always on the lookout for speed traps, and will continually call out the position of law enforcement officials, whether they're stationary or on the move.

    Having a CB radio when you're traveling to places you've never been is also a godsend if there's some kind of detour, and you don't know your way around the area. Call out for directions, and a local driver will usually help you out.

    CB radios are also nice in an emergency. There are decent people out there who will help someone when they're on the side of the road, and need help. At the very least, someone will be able to relay the message to law enforcement, or a tow truck or garage in the area.

    Probably the best thing CBs are good for is helping one stay awake while on a long drive. It's always nice to be able to chat with someone to help you stay awake. Usually there's someone else looking for exactly the same thing.

    CBs are a lot of fun, but keep in mind they are public channels. There are a lot of individuals who use incredibly foul language, and some truckers despise people in "four-wheelers", so you won't always get an answer to your questions. Be polite, though, and you'll find someone willing to chat or help out.

    1. Re:Good answer by Bull999999 · · Score: 2

      A CB radio is the best "radar detector" money can buy. Truckers are always on the lookout for speed traps, and will continually call out the position of law enforcement officials, whether they're stationary or on the move.

      Is there a designated channel that the truckers use for this "service"?

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    2. Re:Good answer by K0AZV · · Score: 3, Informative

      Channel 19 (27.185 MHZ)

  29. religion? by poptones · · Score: 1
    What the hell does any of this have to do with "freedom of religion?" If you want religious programming come to mississippi - there's a transmitter every ten goddamn miles. There's one about a mile from here that comes in so strong on top of this hill I can only get three herringbone covered stations - and that's WITH an FM trap.

    "Mandates about with whom we must associate? What, are you a convicted felon? The US certainly has its share of troubles at the moment, but your tirade on the cause of it sounds about as disconnected from that reality as shrub's foreign poilicy.

    1. Re:religion? by ir0b0t · · Score: 1

      What does "herringbone covered" and FM Trap mean?

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  30. In response to the posts so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I originally submitted this article to Slashdot, and I'd like to follow up on some of the posts I've seen so far, in hopes that you can see where I'm coming from here.

    Using FM as opposed to Internet streaming: Don't get me wrong, I love streaming audio and video, and I use it daily. However, not everyone does, and I've yet to see someone have it set up in their car. However, FM receivers are everywhere. To me, technology is a tool, a means to an end. If you reach more people using FM, then that makes it more effective than streaming is right now. And besides, there's no reason you can't do both.

    Multiple transmitters in a small area: Yeah, the issue of out-of-sync audio bothers me, since it can be extremely annoying to the listener. I don't have a concrete solution, but I do think that specialized software might be the answer. A program that would sync the receiving computer's clock to, say, NIST, then check the incoming audio stream for timecode should be able to make sure the audio is being played when it's supposed to. But like I said, this is only a theoretical solution, something that would require testing.

    When I made the original post, my intention wasn't to say that this is a ready-for-prime-time solution, and I apologize if it came off that way. However, I think it has potential that should be explored. And heck, it could be lots of fun to try.

  31. Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Any emission of this kind above 100 milliwatts violates FCC rules. You will eventually be busted, particularly if your homebrew transmitter and antenna system is causing interference to other services. These services could include things like paging, aviation, and so forth on harmonically related frequencies.

    At best, your gear will be seized. If you're feeding your station with a computer, it will be seized, too. You may also face fines.

    If your broadcasts cause interference to a licensed service and results in injury or loss, you could be held liable.

    Using a transmitter kit mentioned by some of the other posters is also risky, even if they claim to be "legal" devices. I am not aware of any type-accepted hobby transmitters, and you will be personally liable if they do not conform to FCC rules.

    I think the FCC should create a hobby service for low-power, non-commercial use. But that's not currently the case. Beware if you get involved in this movement.

    1. Re:Don't get busted by lighting · · Score: 1

      True, but the FCC doesn't have the resources to bust a load of people for one watt broadcasts. If this ever gets big, they'll bust a handful of people, get it all over the mass media, and hope that stops it. It all relies on getting rid of the "It won't happen to me" mentality that most americans have.

      Lack of resources is the same reason that they don't bust people using unshielded PC cases. Otherwise, anybody who added a window to their computer's case would be busted (unless the window was metallized, of course)

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    2. Re:Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be under the impression that if you don't get caught it's not against the law.

    3. Re:Don't get busted by connorbd · · Score: 1

      True, but if you got a lot of people running one-watt FM transmitters, you'd have a problem that transcends enforcement issues -- you'd have absolute bedlam on the airwaves. That's why the FCC exists in the first place, and that's why licensed users get priority.

    4. Re:Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The FCC is mighty efficient at busting pirate broadcasters. Finding an unlicensed transmitter is like shooting fish in a barrel. I can't imagine it would take more than 15 minutes to locate a 1-watt FM station and get onsite.

      You're right that the law and enforcement are two different things. I rather think, however, that the RIAA lobby will press the FCC into doing their job. They won't be amused that these hobby broadcasters don't have ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC music licenses. With some justification, too.

      Again, I'd like to see some legal protection for little non-commercial community stations. They'd have to use type-accepted transmitters and not interfere with other services. Dunno how you'd assign frequencies, but the investment in bandwidth would be a boon to broadcast diversity. And this is coming from someone who programs commercial stations for a living.

    5. Re:Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I am not aware of any type-accepted hobby transmitters"

      That's because the FCC rules don't REQUIRE type acceptance:

      "Type acceptance has actually been written out of the FCC rules"

      http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/part15.html

      All you have to do is keep the power below 1/10 of a watt, use a built in antenna (not the FM antenna on your roof), and have some kind of output filter (designed into any kit not designed by a complete idiot) to avoid spurious emissions, and you are legal.

      Part 15 is an 'experimental' service - it was drafted precisely FOR experimenters like this.

    6. Re:Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* It's 100mW input to final RF stage in the AM band. In the FM band, it's a maximum field strength of 250 microvolts/meter measured at 3 meters. That's something like 18.75 nanowatts, assuming a unity gain antenna.

    7. Re:Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude - nanowatts? 18.75 billionths of a watt? I think your calculations are a teensy bit off.

      By your calculations my orinoco wireless card (32 milliwatts) is putting out THOUSANDS of times the power level you specified, and it can only reach 75 feet indoors.

      You didn't work on the Mars Observer project or the Beagle lander by any chance, did you?

    8. Re:Don't get busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thousands - hell, it's millions!

  32. It's not "out of sync audio" by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful
    it's "out of sync transmitters." If you have two adjacent transmitters on the same band and the phase of the two signals is not in sync you will get multipath distortion - this is what causes all that shit you hear on FM when you drive through the city near big buildings. Now imagine you're surrounded by 100 signal sources, all of them very low power, all of them swooshing in and out of tune (because these are just cheap devices, not even carefully calibrated transmitters with stable oscillators).

    It just don't work the way the OP "imagined" it. This isn't digital, it's not a "software" problem.

  33. Taking requests by hotspotbloc · · Score: 1

    Since your listeners are so close you could use a FRS radio for requests and chats. Just list the frequency and CTCSS in the same place.

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    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity but they've always worked for me" - HST
    1. Re:Taking requests by connorbd · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you're a huge fan of narrowband UHF for broadcasting...

  34. Re-inventing cellular technology? by MythoBeast · · Score: 1

    You could use something like this to air programming that commercial stations won't broadcast because it's not commercially viable or because it doesn't fit in with the interests of big media.

    This is a highly flawed concept, because "broadcast" of programming of this type would require the coopertion of hundreds of transmitters, which would interfere with each other at the edges of their individual ranges. Cell phones fixed that problem by broadcasting on a range of frequencies instead of just one, but that isn't practical when you have to manually adjust your dial.

    Most audio programs with this kind of popularity problem will, instead, perform their show as normal, then put an MP3 of their show on the web for people to download. Here's a good example of this:

    Cultural Baggage

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    Wake up - the future is arriving faster than you think.
  35. Fun, annoying, powerful, and probably illegal by ikoflexer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1984. The height of communism in at least one Eastern European country. We were teenagers, and very much into AC/DC, Judas Pries, and ever'thing western. One of us knew some electronics; so we got ourselves some parts and soldered together some FM transmitters. Then we broadcasted AC/DC, other heavy metal rock, stupid teenager rants :), and sometimes even Radio Free Europe. All this at random times all around the neighbourhood, so we don't get caught. Those in the know realize how much the secret service hated people like me and my friends (and they really hated AC/DC). And we knew that is was dangerous to taunt them. Nevertheless, it was fun.

    Present: people probably realize how powerful it is to be able to disseminate ideas, even in a limited and local setting. And this type of radio TX is all but forgotten in these day of the web, but it can be much more personalizable. People react different to hearing a real voice for a change. I'm glad to see people pushing the idea of microradio. In fact they should make radio TX free, not hand guns.

    1. Re:Fun, annoying, powerful, and probably illegal by willpall · · Score: 1

      In fact they should make radio TX free, not hand guns.

      Why not both? And don't you mean we should make them free?

      --
      Libertarian: label used by embarrassed Republicans, longing to be open about their greed, drug use and porn collections.
    2. Re:Fun, annoying, powerful, and probably illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, just three comments and the newest is less than 4 months old. Who're you, mate?

  36. Not so easy... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

    I could see them being spread out across a city to cover it with a signal

    I can't. It's hard to have on-channel repeaters of the same signal work together propery... issues with phase shift will end up causing the signal to be spotty even right next to transmitters. It just wouldn't work on a city-wide basis.

  37. Be Careful or the Feds will get you. by sugapablo · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/15699 .php
    http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/2762/in dex.ph p
    http://santacruz.indymedia.org/feature/display/ 115 95/index.php
    http://www.indybay.org/archives/arch ive_by_id.php? id=1407&category_id=12

    From http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org :
    " Two community radio stations, one in Knoxville, TN and the second in Santa Cruz, CA have been raided in the last 2 weeks by armed US Marshalls (and/or FBI) and the FCC. Last October, San Francisco Police and the FCC raided a popular Bay Area radio station. Despite the federal government's war on community media, radio activists across the US are operating community stations in open defiance of FCC regulations. The FCC strives to squelch community radio so that the airwaves remain free for media conglomerates like right-wing ClearChannel Communications, which owns 1,250 radio stations (six in Pittsburgh), and Viacom-owned Infinty Broadcasting, which owns 180 stations (four in Pittsburgh).

    Also, in Pittsburgh, two broadcasters were shut down in the past week due to FCC intimidation. South Side Radio broadcasting at very low power on 102.9FM, and "WCSA Radio" in Plum, PA (Allegheny County, east of Pittsburgh near Oakmont). Indymedia Rustbelt Radio, our biweekly news program on (licensed) WRCT 88.3FM, will feature reports on these actions in Pittsburgh and around the US this week on Tuesday, October 5th at 6pm.

    Next week the National Association of Broadcasters, a powerful lobby group, will meet in San Diego. In opposition to their corporate agenda, independent media activists will be holding a four day convergence of workshops, speakers, and actions to tell the NAB "We Want Our Airwaves Back!"."

    1. Re:Be Careful or the Feds will get you. by connorbd · · Score: 1

      I have trouble being sympathetic with these people, because they didn't do their homework as far as getting on the air legally. Simple fact is, without some progress on the LPFM issue, AM is the best venue for community radio.

      There is a case to be made that mid-level radio -- the LPFM debate -- is being squelched by big media (including, shamefully, NPR). But part 15 still exists, and it works just fine on the AM side of the dial -- just ask Allston-Brighton Free Radio (www.abfreeradio.org). They started out as an FM pirate operation, got shut down, and now run a legit Part 15 AM station that covers not only their part of Boston, but spills over into Brookline, Cambridge, and parts of Newton.

    2. Re:Be Careful or the Feds will get you. by diymedia · · Score: 1

      Nah. What we've seen is an uptick in activity from an agency that's way overworked and understaffed to get microradio off the air. We saw the same enforcement behavior in 2000 right before the elections, too.

      Key aspects to the microradio movement include:

      1) Demonstrating that space exists on the FM dial to allow low power stations to exist, and that they do not cause interference (or the risk of interference is de minimis, provided they are run in a technically-smart fashion - this is not difficult to do), and

      2) To "reclaim" something that is regulated in the public's name but does not serve the public, nor is there any meaningful access provided to a resource which the public rhetorically "owns."

      The bottom line is *proliferation*, folks. The idea is to put so many transmitters on the air so as to force the FCC to open up public access to the airwaves (not this does not mean "chaos" - see point 1 above). The microradio stations of the 1990s were instrumental in getting the FCC to even consider legalizing LPFM like they did in 2000. Unfortunately, the incumbent broadcasters eviscerated the service, so in many ways microradio is necessary now more than ever.

      In seattle two years ago during the NAB conference microradio activists put stations on 11 different channels in the metro area - and there was no interference. According to the LPFM rules as written presently, Seattle is eligible for NO LPFM stations.

      The Radio reVolt idea is just one tool in a growing bag of tricks. FWIW, Tetsuo Kogawa will be the keynote speaker at the reVolt conference (happening at the end of this month). He's a pioneer of the "mini-FM" revolution, which now has thousands of stations on the air in Japan...and they were doing this before microradio (in the typical US fashion) even got started.

  38. it's not legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this something more than a distributed pirate radio network? FCC will bark on it, be sure.

  39. Re:Why not just set up a streaming audio server? by man_ls · · Score: 1

    If there's a physical connection, then you might lose a little due to attenuation of the medium, but not due to distance.

  40. construction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great! Now if they could finish the damn building!

  41. Not at all. by lighting · · Score: 1

    I don't plan on running a pirate radio broadcast anytime soon, nor do I d/l copyrighted material, all my computers are in FCC approved cases, etc. However, most Americans DO have the idea that it's only illegal if your caught.

    Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many people using BitTorrent or other p2p programs... (I can't think of any others at the moment)

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    [InuYasha]~$ sit
    /bin/sh: command not found

  42. Surprisingly low power for good coverage... by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1

    Yes. A friend of mine in the early 80's had the idea
    of re-broadcasting a rolling stones concert (live in Bristol from Ashton Gate football ground). He commisioned a good friend from the MoD (popularly called the Ministry Of Death :->) to design a transmitter, and stereo encoder. Beautiful design. Better spec than the BBC. I almost built the thing.

    One night, at 3.a.m. he climbed one of the 120ft lighting towers and set up his (small) FM transmitter. His plan was to send the signal to a line of sight apartment and mix it down onto his Revox.

    Unfortunately, 10W was a *lot* more audible than just LOS. 1/3rd of Bristol (c.a. 100,000 people) got to hear the stone's live for free!

    There's more to this story, but I won't bore anyone with it...

    Don't underestimate how far a low power (QRP) signal can travel...

  43. Raw FM by D4rkm1lk · · Score: 1
    Already been done!

    here in Canberra, Australia we just got a new FM station which uses lots of smaller transmitters for stuff not played by the big networks:


    Raw FM

  44. Use the Internet too by koan · · Score: 1

    Tie the radios together with a central Internet feed and you could have the same station all over the world (or at least all over the state) I would think if they are cheap enough and not covered by FCC someone should jump on this...maybe call it "Rebel Radio"
    =)

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  45. How quickly we forget by 36-bitter · · Score: 1

    Decades ago, the Children's Museum in Indianapolis had little transmitters all over the building, continually broadcasting interpretations of various displays. You could pick up a receiver and wander around until you found something interesting, and hear all about it.

    And folk have been broadcasting their own musical choices for fun, license free, for decades. Check the _Electronics Illustrated_ backfiles for "Making like Murray the K on 1/10 Watt", for example.

  46. CB license by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    You used to require one, though it was just a matter of filling out a form and sending some cash.

    There were no tests, beyond being able to spell your own name, unlike a ham license, or a license to support a commerical broadcaster.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  47. Coordinated Broadcasts by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Coordinating with other 'micro broadcasters' so that you blanket a city, might pose a legal problem.. Since the intent was for you to have limited coverage of your content..

    No, I don't have the law handy, but .. I would bet there is something in there to account for such an idea.

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  48. Legality by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

    Just watch the government step in and try banning such a thing.

    I do think this kind of broadcast is a good idea, but perhaps a certain frequency could be used for public use. Like certain number(s) that no one currently uses, and limit it to that.

    1. Re:Legality by flynns · · Score: 1

      Just watch the government step in and try banning such a thing.

      FCC: "Okay."

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  49. Hook it to WiFi A.P. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hook each node in the mesh to a WiFi A.P. Each individual node does not violate broadcast rules. Together they form a broadcasting mesh that blankets the city. WRT54GS WiFi repeaters which broadcast the same content.

  50. Ramsey electronics - much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you are going to try something like this, Ramsey electronics has a MUCH better quality transmitter. It broadcasts in stereo, not mono, and is crystal controlled, so it wont drift in frequency and need to be tuned like they recommend in the article. The maximum output is right at the legal limit of 1/10th of a watt.

    They also have compressor/limiters that make the audio sound louder (STC1C).

    http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/hk/default.asp? pa ge=amfm

    I personally have the FM25 (predecessor to the 25B) - the audio quality is comparable to commercial stations - $119 in kit form. Assemble it, plug the line/speaker output of your computer into it, start winamp/itunes in shuffle play, and you are on the air. (and no, I don't work for them)

    1. Re:Ramsey electronics - much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There's much better stuff out there than the Ramsey crap. Broadcast Warehouse, NRG, ...

      And again, it's 100mW for AM. For FM, it's 250 microvolts/meter at 3 meters, and I'll bet you don't have a field strength meter to measure that.

    2. Re:Ramsey electronics - much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you don't need a field strength meter, Einstein, because part 15 specifies that the manufacturer has to certify that it meets part 15 specs before they can sell it.

      "In most cases, the requirements are met by the manufacturer testing the device and either keeping the test results on file or by sending them to FCC, depending on the type of device involved."

      http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/part15.html#Authori za tion

      So if it is 1/10 watt into a 1/4 wave vertical on the top of the case, or 100 watts into your lower intestine, the manufacturer has tested that it meets part 15. If not, they specify for export use only.

    3. Re:Ramsey electronics - much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The discussion was about Ramsey and other kit makers. If the device is assembled from a kit then the manufacturer (i.e. supplier of the kit) doesn't have to certify it. The kit builder/user is responsible for legal operation. And the best way to ensure that you are operating legally is to use a field strength meter, because without it you're just guessing.

    4. Re:Ramsey electronics - much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cana Kit also has a stereo version which is much cheaper than the Ramsey unit (about 40 bucks).

      http://www.canakit.com/Contents/Items/UK222.asp

      They also have a more expensive USB based FM transmitter which connects directly to your PC and doesn't require batteries, etc. This one is fully assembled with box and everything.

      http://www.canakit.com/Contents/Items/UX300.asp

      I just ordered the UX300 since I got tired of changing batteries all the time. I have been using their UK222 for a couple of years broadcastings MP3s and internet radios around the house.

  51. Radio Sausalito by CharlieR · · Score: 1

    http://www.radiosausalito.org/ has been on the air in our neighborhood for years. It is a web of repeaters, tied to a PC, in a small town.

  52. Interesting, as art, at least... by Mike+Hicks · · Score: 1

    Being a Minneapolitan, I'm skeptical that this could achieve much in a practical sense, though it's an interesting idea from an artistic standpoint. It could work on a larger scale, but that would require a significant percentage of the city population to help out.

    If my browser ever manages to load the main page without barfing on the Flash, I might try to do something, but it's hard to say. Still, I've played with milliwatt radio transmitters before, and you're often lucky to hear anything even in the next room. But, considering the lack of quality in the big stations that currently exist in the Twin Cities, a lot of people would be interested in doing something to overcome that situation.

  53. Don't speed by poptones · · Score: 1
    I'd rather just drive the speed limit and not worry about it - or buy my own radar detector - than listen to that shit drone on for hour after hour.

    When I was a teenager the "CB boom" was in full swing. I sat in front of a radio many an hour. I applied for a first class license years ago and built my first crystal set when I was like five. But travelling down the highway on a trip, having to listen to the crap that flies over channel 19 the entire duration is my version of hell.

    If you're worried about your car breaking down, get a cellphone. Then you can call someone you know you can trust instead of having to trust someone you don't know. There was a time when CB had its uses, but there's also good reason the band has been abandoned even by the FCC.

    1. Re:Don't speed by SaDan · · Score: 1

      No doubt about it, there IS a lot of filth on the airwaves of those 40 channels, most concentrated on channel 19.

      In some states it's illegal to even have a radar detector, so what do you do there?

      The CB can be a useful tool, even with all the idiots out there. It's kinda like the internet, in that respect...

  54. Not to diminish the ministry of death... by poptones · · Score: 1
    but that's another thing I don't get about these "civic minded people." If you want to get your station up and running so you can be heard, that's commendable - but so often it seems not about being heard but about making someone else heard - most usually, some other corporate entity (like the Stones or) name your favorite label-signed artist.

    This is the reason I have zero sympathy for those complaining about not being able to "broadcast" RIAA label artists on their internet stations. If you want to operate a station and play only Magnatune artists then bully for you - but if all you want is another station where you can stroke your ego by contributing to the noise made by our corporate overlords, then you're not being a freedom fighter, you're just fighting freedom.

    By the way: "Monkey Man" selling lingerie? What does that even mean?

    Ah well, I guess Mick's sleeping even cozier in that unmade bed of broken eggs, eh?

  55. Its an art project by gone.fishing · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Minneapolis and am pretty sure that this project will have absolutly no effect on the population at large. I see it as an "art project" done by the Walker ART center. The majority of these transmitters will be used for a brief time and shelved. The participants in the project will feel that they have learned something about radio and will have shared a common experience and that's about it.

    Commercial and to a lesser extent public radio in the Twin Cities is pretty big thing. We have a couple of "giants in the industry" here with two AM stations that are historic giants of the industry (WCCO-AM and KSTP-AM) both 50,000 watt clear channel stations and an FM station that consistantly captures the highest market share of any station in the country (KQRS-FM). On top of these giants, there are many other stations on both the AM and FM bands that cater to nearly every taste imagineable. Our airwaves are crowded.

    Over the years we have had our share of pirate and "underground" stations. Most of them have gone off of the air before I even heard them - but the several that I did get a chance to hear reminded me more of "Bob and Ted's Excellent Adventure" than anything else. Nothing special at all.

    I do believe that there is a major problem with public airwaves here and probably in most every major market. The stations are locked into playing the same old stuff. I really do think that stations should be required to devote a portion of their broadcast time to programming local and new talent. They are too locked into the charts, the major music labels and other things that sort of homoginize and blend the music into pablum for the masses.

    There is a whole lot wrong with radio but a bunch of low power transmitters aren't going to do anything to fix it.

  56. Your beliefs about how you want to live your life. by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    EEOC compliance requires you to abide by a set of beliefs about how you should conduct your private business. These beliefs are religious beliefs being imposed by the government on private associations. They are a state religion.

  57. Ummm... not exactly by poptones · · Score: 3, Informative
    What you describe is fine if you're just talking about talking. But one would assume the objective here is to be able to broadcast something people will enjoy listening to - and "capture" is limited by a factor known as capture ratio and it's not infinite nor perfect not consistent from radio to radio, which means you cannot "engineer it in." And in the transition you get exactly what's described: multipath distortion; picket fencing; swooshing... people finding another station.

  58. Capture Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a problem if the receiver is moving. Otherwise, even a slightly directional antenna should be adequate to select one of the overlapping signals.

    capture effect: A phenomenon, associated with FM reception, in which only the stronger of two signals at or near the same frequency will be demodulated. Note 1: The complete suppression of the weaker signal occurs at the receiver limiter, where it is treated as noise and rejected. Note 2: When both signals are nearly equal in strength, or are fading independently, the receiver may switch from one to the other.

  59. RE:Radio Re-Volt by Dandenong+Samba+Scho · · Score: 1

    Alternately, you could support your local public/community broadcasters: Here in Melbourne we're very lucky to have both 3RRR (http://www.rrr.org.au/) and 3PBS (http://www.pbsfm.org.au/). They both stream so feel free to listen in.

    DSS

  60. "Beliefs?" Like "all men created equal?" by poptones · · Score: 1

    I see nothing n there about giving preference to anyone, only limitations on what you cannot do without good cause - one of those being "you cannot screen job applicants by religion."

    Private business? In what sense? If you have a church it is likely to be tax exempt and operating in a non profit capacity. if you want to staff it, common sense says you hire people you know from the congregation - you don't place advertisements for "jobs" within the heirarchy of the church, so eeoc compliance at that level is a non issue.

    I used to work for one of the largest christian book distributors in the nation. I suspect that is the type of situation to which you refer.

    Guess what? You don't have to be a Christian to push a shopping cart around a warehouse and pull books off shelves. You also don't have to be a christian to push a broom around a studio, or to answer a telephone in a professional manner. If a company does business in a state then it is obligated to abide by the laws of the state. Don't like the laws in that state? Move your operation to Israel.

    And what the FUCK does any of this have to do with "bootleg radio stations?" Program directors hire based on action: what "message" the talent presents on air. Actions are completely separate from BELIEF (as so many televangelists have proven to us over the years). If the PD is worth his paycheck no law is going to prevent a station from hiring whatever on-air talent management prefers: the applicants will be "screened" before the first phone call is ever made.

    1. Re:"Beliefs?" Like "all men created equal?" by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And what the FUCK does any of this have to do with "bootleg radio stations?"

      It has everything to do with it only almost 70 years too late. The Telecommunications Act of 1934, by recentralizing control of disemination of ideas under the new technologies of broadcast, undid the Guttenberg revolution. The Guttenberg revolution was the undoing of the theocratic control of Europe which was maintained largely through monopoly on the disemination of ideas through the written word. It was the theocracy of the pre-Reformation era that controled the armies of monks who scribed the books and handed them out to the priesthood to interpret for their "flocks".

      You are simply a new form of "sheep" indoctrinated by the new theocracy that has grown up in the centralization of media.

  61. Fines to the FCC by Thanatos0801 · · Score: 1

    Has anyone thought about the potential FCC oversight restrictions? Radio and TV broadcasters have been fined millions of dollars for broadcasting "indecent" material over the public airwaves. That's what made internet streaming so open and popular: The government overlords haven't figured out a way to censor/control that yet. If the trend continues, I'd be worried about getting a large indecency fine handed to me along with a cease and desist notice if I wasn't being very careful about what I was broadcasting.

  62. Broadcasting unprofitable material by maokh · · Score: 1
    I don't understand why pirates get off on broadcasting material that otherwise would get no air time. There is usually a pretty good reason why its unprofitable --- no one wants to listen to it!

    There are only 200 FM channels in the USA, similar to other countries. A significant amount of those are rendered useless by adjacent stations. This is a rare resource and I am glad the FCC keeps little kids from gobbling up spectrum, leaving it to the professionals. Especially when you have enough bandwidth on your DSL line to serve the 4 1/2 people that actually want to listen to it.

    Don't get me wrong, I love pirate radio, but the "free speech" argument just doesn't work.

  63. Bandwidth and radio astronomy by DaChesserCat · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are certain parts of the bandwidth which are "off limits" to everyone, public or private.

    Take a look here for some of the frequencies.

    The idea is that, if we want to take clear radio-frequency "images" of distant images, it makes sense to avoid polluting the sections of the bandwidth where those images are to be found. No, I don't think any of these lower-power trasmitters will be broadcasting directly in these ranges. Unfortunately, most transmitters also transmit harmonics of their main frequency, at lower power. Consequently, everyone gives these frequencies, AND their lower harmonics, a pretty wide berth.

    --
    ... by the Dew of Mountains the thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning
  64. Micro radio - Easy! Cheap! And Fun! by mrklingon · · Score: 1

    Streaming radio inverts the paradigm - all the expense (ISP, computer equipment) is loaded on the user. Real radio puts the expense on the broadcaster, and the user needs nothing more than a $10 radio - the Radio Revolt project recognizes that real radio microcasting is much more egalitarian than internet radio.

    Anyway - I read of the Radio Revolt project this summer - it is local to me - and was impressed. So I bought my own kit and set up shop.

    http://radio.mrklingon.org

    Works great! Sure it just works within my home and lot - but at least I control those airwaves!

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    joel anderson * http://www.mrklingon.org* joel@mrklingon.org **mIghghachvo' yImej 'ej yIQaQ; roj yInej 'ej Dochvam yIt
  65. Yes, exactly as Declared at Independence by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You are quoting the Declaration of Independence which lays out the foundation for the rest of the official documents of the United States and itself is founded on its first paragraph:
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    It is unambiguous. Equality does not imply integration and indeed must allow separation. All men are equal by the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God to separation entirely at their discretion. This is the belief that most directly contradicts allowance for slavery in Article IV, Section 2, clause 3 of the United States Constitution, and thereby allowed the Union to attack and win over the Confederacy by undercutting the legal legitimacy of the Confederacy to declare separation when they themselves would not allow the separation of slaves from their "owners".

    Yes. You're right. I believe in the equal right of any people to separate from others as declared in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. It overrides what any Men may put down on paper.

    Indeed the entire point of the First Amendment to the US Constitution was to minimize the need for war against or between governmental entities by allowing people to peaceably separate from one another to the greatest extent possible within the laboratory of the States. The founders understood scientific method -- and the need for control groups to discover what works and what doesn't work in social experiments, involving beliefs about how we should live our lives, as well as physical experimentation. If you cannot allow people to voluntarily enter into their own experiments and impose upon them your perverse ideas of what constitutes "equality" then you have just declared war on the Declaration of Independence and on freedom itself.

    That they had been corrupted by slavery in no way detracts from the importance of their overall vision.

    1. Re:Yes, exactly as Declared at Independence by poptones · · Score: 1
      All men are equal by the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God to separation entirely at their discretion

      and if you don't want to work with a black man, you don't have to.. you can quit. If you don't want to work with an atheist, you can quit.

      If you don't want to hire an atheist, hire a friend you know. If this is impractical because your business has grown to this point, you are no longer an individual. A business does not have the same rights as an individual and, in fact, they have far too many "rights" already.

      Your lifestyle choices are your own. But the Constitution does not afford you the right to make those choices for others. If you cannot handle the concept of liberty, you have no business in any position of authority.

  66. Two solutions by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

    A Neuros is a cheaper, but not as cool-looking, alternative to an iPod. For $250 you get 20 GB and an FM transmitter. And it plays .ogg. Hide it under the seat and blindly hit the pause button whenever you get out.

    A belt clip on an iPod/iRiver/Dell DJ will let you walk out without stashing it. But those require a separate FM transmitter thingy (and a budget for AAA cells).

  67. You should be hanged as traitor. by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    If this is impractical because your business has grown to this point, you are no longer an individual.

    The Delcaration of Independence's first paragraph says:

    one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another

    In the present circumstances, the signatories to the Declaration of Independence would consider you a traitor and have you hanged by the neck until dead for one very obvious reason:

    The moment the second man added his signature to the Declaration of Independence according to you it was invalidated because when individuals act as a group they lose their right to self-determination.

    As Benjamin Franklin said during the meeting where the Founders signed the Declaration of Independence:

    We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately.

    When we are living under the direct guns of tyranny -- not separated by a difficult journey, such as was the ocean in 1776, and without leaders of much material substance to stand with us, such as were the Founders -- the consequences of the treason such as yours are all the more serious.

    1. Re:You should be hanged as traitor. by poptones · · Score: 1
      The moment the second man added his signature to the Declaration of Independence according to you it was invalidated because when individuals act as a group they lose their right to self-determination.

      ROTFL. Talk about neck stretching!

      I'm sorry I replied to you. You are obviously retarded and incapable of logical thought.

      My bad.