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Wanna Buy a Reusable Rocket for 19k USD?

Anonymous Coward writes with story from the Mainchi Daily News: "'Earlier this month, Hokkaido University started putting its Camui rockets on the open market. Camui rockets are true rockets, being 1.6 meters long, flying at 300 meters per second and parachuting slowly to the ground after reaching heights of up to 1 kilometer.' The Camui use a mixture of fixed fuel acrylic and liquid oxygen."

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  1. Be sure to read the fine print: by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Not recommended for use near airports or presidential motorcades."

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    1. Re:Be sure to read the fine print: by polecat_redux · · Score: 4, Funny

      Buying one of those rockets these days is a sure-fire way to get a puppet regime installed in your living room.

    2. Re:Be sure to read the fine print: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Buying one of those rockets these days is a sure-fire way to get a puppet regime installed in your living room.

      So is marriage.

    3. Re:Be sure to read the fine print: by Skye16 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I guess not the rockets themselves, just the engines.

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      And I'm sure Google has even more info on it. I haven't seen anything new on it, so I have no idea what has happened since then. I haven't seen any new complaints, but I also haven't seen anything to indicate people being happy it didn't pass, so...

  2. WMD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This seems much more of a WMD than the Iraqi aluminum tubes. When does the bombing start?

    1. Re:WMD? by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why? Japan is the largest aircraft carrier in the US Navy!

  3. Bonfire night by peterprior · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, bonfire night in the UK is less than a month away. I wonder what the shipping time is on these. :)

  4. Camui rockets suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Camui rocket fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Camui rocket (a 300m/s w/1km altitude max) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Titan IV running 150m/s, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Camui, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

    In addition, during this file transfer, the guidance system will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even GPS is straining to keep up as I type this.

    I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Camuis, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Camui that has run faster than its Boeing counterpart, despite the Camui's faster propellant architecture. My hobby kit model rocket with helicopter nose cose runs faster than this 300m/s rocket at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Camui is a superior machine.

    Camui addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Camui over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

    1. Re:Camui rockets suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Never underestimate the bandwidth-distance of a Camui rocket filled with DAT-72 tapes...

      Might be a possible candiate for a new "space speed record" for data.

  5. regulations by rguiu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can anybody buy his/her own rocket and launch it from the backyard?

    With so much airtraffic is not a danger?

    Can be this technology used for making weapons? I remember the article of someone building cruise missiles: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/09/205252.shtml ?tid=137

    Seems very nice, but I would not like a plane shot down because a rich kid was playing with one of this toys.

    1. Re:regulations by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 3, Interesting

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  6. Wanna Buy a Reusable Rocket for 19k USD? by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, Not really.

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  7. why is this here? by poptones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    a km? I made a solid fuel estes when I was in Jr. High that would go to 3000ft (more or less a km) and it required none of that other crap. It was about a meter tall, had three stages, and used three solid fuel engines that, all combined, cost about ten bucks.

    Why is this a story? Someone deisgned and constructed an overpriced, hard to use, liquid fuel rocket that can be outperformed by a twenty year old Estes and is offering copies of it for sale, but no one has been stupid enough to buy one yet. This is news?

    1. Re:why is this here? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agreed.... this thing runs on LIQUID OXYGEN for chrissakes, it should be going 60,000 feet or more. Some of the high-powered homemade rockets those guys shoot in the Nevada desert easily go 60,000 feet or more, and cost way less than 10 grand. Maybe the original article misprinted the altitude, maybe it was 10km rather than 1km.

    2. Re:why is this here? by really? · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that's the case; you can see towards the bottom of the article they talk of "60Km" ... from one to 60 would be quite a bit of a jump.

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    3. Re:why is this here? by ceeam · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem w/ 60km is that you can be sure you won't be the first one to pick it from the landing site.

  8. Re:Second Amendment by rguiu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    can a libian/sirian/north korean citizen protect his own backyard from US airliners too? How far can travel this "second amendment"?

  9. To summarize by ceeam · · Score: 4, Funny

    19k big firework that you need some liquid oxygen to launch. Hm... Sounds like a bargain, what's the catch?

  10. On road costs by hfis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whilst 19k sounds like an "ok" (hah) price, imagine the 'on road' costs of running this thing. That fuel isn't cheap, no matter where you are..

  11. IN OTHER NEWS: by nilbog · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Bush administration has found evidence of a massive WMD missile facility in your backyard.

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    1. Re:IN OTHER NEWS: by nathanh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The Bush administration has found evidence of a massive WMD missile facility in your backyard.

      That's OK. You have no oil in your backyard so you're perfectly safe, just like North Korea.

  12. One most important question! by ceeam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there a section for a cat or do you strap it externally? Do they provide a tiny helmet?

  13. Wanna build a reuseable rocket for 20 bucks USD? by mikeophile · · Score: 3, Interesting
  14. pictures ... by weighn · · Score: 5, Informative

    there's some pics here. and a cnn story here.

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  15. Ainu by kahei · · Score: 3, Informative


    The real significance of this project is that it's probably about the last time anyone names anything in Ainu, the old language of Japan... ...although SNK fans will recall that Nakoruru's moves are named in Ainu, and her 'Kamui Mutsube' is Ainu for 'God Blade'. The real Ainu pronunciation would be more like 'Mutpe' though. Okay, I'm rambling.

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  16. It will go absolutely perfectly... by vudufixit · · Score: 3, Funny

    With the surplus decommissioned missile silo I picked up for a pittance. Next step: declaring my fully armed and operational missile silo sovereign territory. Surviving relatives of Randy Weaver, Ted Kaczinsky and David Koresh are welcome to stay with me.

  17. Within Three Seconds? by Rie+Beam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I Googled for "Camui rockets", to see if the whole "1 km" deal was true. From what I read, this article was taken from an AP article, which originally read:

    "The Camui-50P rocket was developed by a team from Hokkaido University and can fly as high as one kilometer (0.6 mile) within three seconds after take off"

    Dunno if that means "that's as high as it gets" or "that's how high it can get within that short amount of time"; for $19,000, though, let's hope it's the second one.
    1. Re:Within Three Seconds? by Natchswing · · Score: 3, Informative
      Let's see. One kilometer in one second. This would require an average velocity of flight of, oh... 1 km/s. If we had linear acceleration (rough estimate) and we started from zero (sounds like a safe assumption) then we'll have 2 km/s by the time we hit 1km altitude.

      If the fuel is cut there:

      vf^2=vo^2-2*a*s or 1000^2/(2*9.8)=50km

      That sounds a bit better. Loki Darts could do that.

  18. reaching heights of up to 1 kilometer.. by D4MO · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..at 300 meters per second. A little over 3 seconds worth of blast. Hey, lasts longer than me, honey.

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  19. What makes this a "True Rocket?" by DevilsEngine · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have hybrid engine models (acrylic / NO2) that are larger and go higher. Heck, I had refillable solid engine models that were considerably more powerful -- though with new regulations, getting the refills has become too much of a hassle. I don't see anything to this that wasn't available in dozens, if not hundreds, of High Power Rocketry models available ten years ago. Standing next to me at the moment (in two pieces, because it's too tall to be assembled indoors) is a 11' tall model on 5.5" tubing (at base, step down to 4" at top). Hybrid engine in the "L" range. It's made half a dozen flights on hybrid power, and a couple before that with solids. Easily clears a mile. Next to it is a LOC Magnum, a standard kit available for nearly a decade, with what has to be a good twenty flights to better than a kilometer on a "J" class hybrid. What makes these any less "true rockets?"

  20. Re:Ah, that's tame. by pklong · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nukes don't kill people, people do.

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  21. Real Rockets! by Natchswing · · Score: 4, Interesting
    > Camui rockets are true rockets (...) reaching heights of up to 1 kilometer.

    One kilometer?? DEBI was a real rocket. [pictures] About 30 feet long, two stage solid fuel. With 40 G's acceleration it reached mach 10 in a little under 30 seconds (below 40km altitude) and sailed to a apogee of about 800km. Since the rocket had a ballistic trajectory we needed clearance through the pentagon to circumvent the anti-ballistic missle treaty.

    Even little baby Loki Dart's will reach 50km on a good day.