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The Hardware Behind Echelon Revealed

Whispering Bob writes "Techworld has got an interesting article on the technology behind the Echelon spying networks run by the US, UK, Cananda and Australia. Apparently the super storage and analysing technology used in the US is sold by privately owned Texas Memory Systems. It can deal with one trillion floating point operations per second. Now that's some technology."

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  1. Hrm. can't access the site... by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

    You bastards. You've slashdotted echelon.

    1. Re:Hrm. can't access the site... by davron05 · · Score: 5, Informative

      direct link to the mirrordot cache

  2. For those that didn't already know by Pingular · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:For those that didn't already know by SlamMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just a thought. If it had been prevented, something else would be the largest attack on US soil. So maybe it already has prevented bigger things?

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  3. Evil they are! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Posting as annoyomous coward due to evil echelon listening post in the hills behind me. Will get my revenge.

  4. Mirror by HyperChicken · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:4mzhQXtHaVoJ: www.techworld.com/storage/news/index.cfm%3FNewsID% 3D2430+&hl=en Brought to you by Google. Google: For when the NSA supercomputer network just isn't enough.

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    1. Re:Mirror by HyperChicken · · Score: 3, Informative
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  5. Hmm..never heard by Tracer_Bullet82 · · Score: 5, Funny

    of cananda.
    That damn intelligence war must be really working. :)

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    1. Re:Hmm..never heard by xutopia · · Score: 5, Funny

      that's not *intelligence war* but *war on intelligence*.

  6. Full Article text for the impatient or paranoid by Yo+Maing · · Score: 5, Informative
    Want to know the hardware behind Echelon? Uncle Sam using Texas' SAM.

    By Chris Mellor, Techworld

    You've probably heard about Echelon, the vast listening system run by the US, UK, Canada and Australia that scans the world's voice traffic looking for key words and phrases.

    Aside from using the system for industrial espionage and bypassing international and national laws to listen in on people, it is also used to listen out for people like Osama bin Laden and assorted terrorists in the hope of preventing attacks.

    All this is out in the relative open thanks to investigative journalists and a European Commission report into the system, concerned and annoyed that the Brits and Yanks has got there first.

    It works like this: The calls are recorded by geo-stationary spy satellites and listening stations, such as the UK's Menworth Hill, which combine satellite-intercepted calls and trunk landline intercepts and forward them on to centres, such as the US' Fort Meade, where supercomputers work on the recordings in real time.

    But what, you ask, can deal with that overwhelming mass of data that helps our government spy on the world? And how does it work?

    Well, a Texas Memory Systems SAM product - a combined solid-state disk (SSD) and DSP (digital signal processor). Woody Hutsell, an executive VP at TMS, said: "Fifty percent of our revenue this year will come from DSP systems, more than last year. The systems are a combination of SSD with DSP ASICs." ASICs are application-specific integrated circuits - chips dedicated to a specific purpose.

    TMS has a TM-44 DSP chip which has 8 GFLOPS of processing power - that's eight billion floating point operations per second. The processing uses floating point arithmatic operations to supply the accuracy needed for the analysis. A DSP chip turns analogue signals from a sensor or recorder into digital information usable by a computer. Digital cameras will use a DSP to turn the light signals coming through the lens into digital picture element, or pixel, information.

    A SAM-650 product is called a 192 GFLOPS DSP supercomputer by TMS. It is just 3U high and has 24 DSP chips and is positioned as a back-end number cruncher controlled by any standard server - a similar architecture to that used by Cray supercomputers. There are vast streams of information coming from recorded telephone conversations. The ability to have the DSPs work in parallel speeds up analysis enormously. Spinning hard drives can't feed the DSPs fast enough, nor are they quick enough for subsequent software analysis of the data. Consequently TMS uses its solid state technology to provide a buffer up to 32GB that keeps the DSPs operating at full speed.

    A cluster of five SAM-650's provides a terra flop of processing power; one trillion floating point operations per second.

    Echelon is a global surveillance network set up in Cold War days to provide the US goverment with intelligence data about Russia. One of the main contractors is Raytheon. Lockheed Martin has been involved in writing software for it. Since then it has expanded into a general listening facility, an electronic vacuum cleaner, sucking up the world's telephone conversations. Information about it's existence has been reluctantly revealed, prompted by scandals such as the recordings of Princess Diana's telephone calls by the NSA.

    Recorded signals are fed into the TMS SAM systems where the DSPs filter out the noise to produce much clearer signals that software can work on to detect individual voices, perform voice recognition, and listen out for keywords, such as, for example, "Semtex". Decryption of encrypted calls is also a likely activity.

    Hutsell says the SAM systems, "are supplied to intelligence agencies and the military though system integrators like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Zeta. It's an intelligence community application involving data from various sources. This is loaded into RAM and then real-time analysis is carried out on

    1. Re:Full Article text for the impatient or paranoid by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some other links with pictures:

      Sam-650

      Sam-650 User Manual

      TM-44 ASIC

      Solid State Disks

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  7. Echelon... by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hm.
    1 Tflops would place it anywhere between place 240 (if it were sustained) or 500+ (if it were peak) on the current top500.
    Not THAT amazing.
    Also, i dont quite realize how important floating point ops are in a data-warehousing application. They just pile up tons of (faxes/emails/phone recording).

    Btw: Remember the story about the 5MW wind-generator a few weeks ago?
    The company cant sell in the us because echelon was used to sniff fax messages that were later given to a us company (kenetech windpower) which made a patent. Complete with the original tying errors. (who was it again who said "whats good for boeing is good for america"?)
    (story from ZEIT, titles "treason between friends", here http://hermes.zeit.de/pdf/archiv/archiv/1999/40/19 9940.nsa_2_.xml.pdf

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    1. Re:Echelon... by andreyw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its pretty impressive considering it was designed back in the days when the SOVIETS existed.

      Makes you think what kind of advanced computers they have now that no one will find about for another 10+ years...

  8. Re:Cananda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    O Cananda!
    Our home and native land1
    True oatriot love in all thy sons commadn.
    WIth glowing hearts we see thee rise.
    The true north strong ansd free!
    from far and wide,
    O Cananda, we stand on gaurd for thee.
    God keep our land glorious and free!
    O Cananda, we stand on gaurd for thee.
    O Cananda, we stand on gaurd for thee.

  9. Echelon? Easily avoided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just use some Vi@gra and Septic T@nks in your email!

  10. They still use ASICS !! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What ? The US spy department still relies on ASICs ?

    Don't they heard of FPGAs ?!

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    1. Re:They still use ASICS !! by rob13572468 · · Score: 5, Informative

      it really depends on how many asic's are being used. true the design costs are very high but it still becomes economically more desirable to use the asic platform as long as the production run is high enough (100K units and up). the cost of a production run asic is so low compared to fpga that even with the design costs factored in, its the less expensive way to go. that being said, it probably will not stay that way much longer; the 8 bit microcontroller market for years offered up the devices in flash for small runs or masked rom for large runs. Since the manufacturers naturally want the devices to be as inexpensive as poossible, they tend to migrate the flash devices to the smallest/newest fab technologies which brings the price down alot. We are now seeing flash devices being used for large production runs as well with the programming being handled right on the production line with the added benefits of things like chip serialization being easily handled which was difficult to do with a masked chip. This has not happened yet with FPGA's; the main reason being that FPGA's have considerably larger gate counts but even so it wont be much longer until we see FPGA's being used in all but the most price-critical and the highest volume applications where a few thousand gates and/or a few cents make the difference. a good example of this is the xm radio chipset which has a very high gate count and yet needs to be offered up in a device that will retail at $49. an FPGA would simply cost too much and be too large ad the devices get smaller and cheaper. The other reason why we have not seen more FPGA usage has to do with competition; the 8 bit market has a large number of players who are all offering up products that are in direct competition with eachother and that has naturally driven down the costs and at the same time offered up much in the way of innovation and new features. the FPGA market, while growing does not have quite the same number of players although that is changing as well. a few more years and most of the players will be producing FPGA products and thats when things will really start to get interesting.

    2. Re:They still use ASICS !! by bliksem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Using FPGAs for an Echelon type system where maximizing GB/s is a primary goal? Unlikely.

      I work on digital system designs clocked in the 150MHz region. No problem at all meeting the timing constraints on a typical 0.13um ASIC technology. We use FPGA's for testing and validation, however, and the latest and greatest FPGA's are maxing out with our designs at around 90MHz.

      Now look at the clock speeds on the x86 you are using to browse this page. 3GHz maybe? How fast would this design run on FPGA (assuming it would fit)? Unlikely to reach even 1/10th the speed. Why not say to Intel/AMD/TI "You still use ASICs!?!"

      In terms of speed, current FPGA technology cannot get anyway near the performance of a well optimized ASIC design (even with the same core process technology).

      How about a new type of slashdot effect... we pick a few random bad words and slashdotters make sure to mention them several times in all phone conversations.

    3. Re:They still use ASICS !! by Lord+Prox · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about a new type of slashdot effect... we pick a few random bad words and slashdotters make sure to mention them several times in all phone conversations.

      Thats a capitol idea, comrad. you are da bomb. Now, if you will excuse me while I nuke a burrito and trim a bush in my back yard. See for several days this bag dad bought has been getting on my last nerve. Gas up the lincon, we are going to kill some time.

  11. skynet by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spy in the sky satellites listen in to what we say and look at what we do. Then solid state disk keeps the real time analysis of these calls and images operating at full speed. The world's fastest storage system is used in the world's most sophisticated spying operation.

    Here's to hoping it never becomes sentient.

  12. slashdotting..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If enough people made phonecalls that were dilliberately saturated with keywords (say a few million at once)
    Would it be possible to effectively slashdot their supercomputer? >:P

  13. OK, let's have some fun by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that we know how it works, lets all , I mean all call some one on our cell phone and say:

    "John has a long moustache"

    lol

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  14. And what about...? by El+Icaro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What do china, north/south korea and other protective countries do about this?

    And does this listen on to the internet communications (modem beep beep blonk sounds) also?

    And finaly, what do they use this information for? Would the use it against a politician if it posed a threat for them (aka blackmailing them) or someone else?

    The world is more and more terrifying every day.

  15. Echelon in theory and practice by Artifakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wondering just what Echelon is looking for?
    The word lists used by Echelon are highly classified (which of course makes sense if the goal is to keep people such as terrorists from knowing what words to avoid using). However, this also means that public oversight is impossible. Some information does get leaked to us outsiders from time to time, but always as unconfirmable rumors.
    Here's a few of those that seem likelyest to have at least a grain of truth.
    1. Echelon lists include lots of specific words that are used by people with training, and few general words widely used by the public. Words such as "Explosive" or phrases such as "Blow Up" won't get a hit, but more specific terms, i.e. "PETN", or "Semtex", may be on the list.
    2. The list is updated, both by a general review board every few months, and immediately if a particular concern warrents it. (This rummor is apperently the only thing about the system that has been officially confirmed by testimony before congress in an open session).
    3. The list is largely focused on detecting Nuclear weapons tech. It looks for correct technical names of bomb components, among other things. Lately, this has been expanded to focus more on bio-weapons.
    4. The list includes names of some public officials. Rumor has it that Attourny Generals and FBI and CIA directors have had their names placed on the list to help protect them. Janet Reno was supposedly kept on the list for a year after she left office because of concerns right-wing U.S. domestic terrorists were especially likely to target her. People running the system are reluctant to put public figures on the list, because they get too many false positives to wade through.
    5. The system looks for multiple hits and grades them algorythmicly. Several entries in the same phone call, particularly entries that are logically related, will add up to a conversation that crosses a critical threshold and is brought to the attention of a human supervisor.

    It's easy to see some ways this could be abused. For example, it could be used to help protect all the presidential candidates in an election year, but just looking for the candidate's last names would generate billions of fales positives. So, in order to 'protect' all the candidates, it would be necessary to monitor for less well known information, like the names of various campaign advisors, private addresses, or other such info, which would give the people running the system a lot of leeway in listening to calls made by the opposition during their run for the office.

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  16. I know this has been talked about before but... by gone.fishing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that this has been talked about before on Slashdot but I think the most disturbing thing about Echelon isn't the hardware (although I'd bet there is a great deal more to it than the current article talks about) but the fact that it is used to spy on whoever it happens to pickup. A certain keyword in a communication is all that it takes to get Echelon's attention and then you are in it's grasp.

    If you happen to be a U.S. citizen or resident, it is unlawful for the U.S. government to monitor your communications without a warrant. This is no problem for Echelon, the Canadians or the Brits will do it for the U.S. It is one giant loophole for the governments involved to spy on their own people as well as anyone else.

    I don't really have that much to hide but I do value my rights and my privacy so that bothers me. I know that the powers-that-be justify this as being part of the defense of the free world, that this is a necessary component on the war on terrorisiom and that such draconian measures are justified to keep us safe. But, if I have to give up my rights, my privlidges as a resident of a free country, I can't accept that explaination. Simply because the tool has become a tool of a different kind of terror. It is a took used by a represive government, used against it's own people.

    I fear a repressive regime in my own country far more than I fear Osama Bin Laden and his henchmen.

    So many of the changes made since 9/11 have played into the hands of terrorists. The changes have made the way we live, the way we travel, and the way we do business much more restrictive and expensive. Airport security is probably the most glaring example of this. We aren't anonymous travelers just getting from place to place anymore. We are electronically monitored, our travels documented. Those TSA agents and airport police aren't free - every traveler and every citizen pays for them.

    Echelon is worse than that in some ways. We don't know if or when our conversations and other communications are monitored. It is hidden from our view, shielded behind a digital curtain of secrecy. If it is used against us, we will probably never know.

    Some people probably say: "What's the big deal if it is also used to catch drug dealers anyway? They are just criminals." I can understand that position but have to say that it is a pretty narrow view. The truth is that you can't make two wrongs make a right. A regime that turns it's military against it's own people isn't very far from being the enemy. This is the kind of thing that the Gestapo did in Germany. It is just wrong.

    I'm glad to think that I live in a free country. I'm just not sure that we are as free as we think we are. I'm afraid that we already have our own version of "secret police."

    1. Re:I know this has been talked about before but... by WildBeast · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In short, they can have each country spy on another one in order to avoid the laws of the land.

      They're even trying to legalise Extraordinary rendition so they can send suspects to countries that practice torture for interrogation. It's illegal for us to kick the shit out of suspects but it's not illegal in those countries that we wanna invade.

      As long as nobody gives a damn, it'll keep getting worst.

    2. Re:I know this has been talked about before but... by amper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A couple of points that need emphasizing...

      I don't really have that much to hide but I do value my rights and my privacy so that bothers me.


      I think it's unfortunate that you felt it necessary to make this statement. Whether or not you (or I, or anyone else, for that matter) have anything to hide is irrelevant to this discussion. The Constitution of the United States of America codifies the primacy of individual freedom that was expressed in the Declaration of Independence and should not be abridged. The Constitution is the Law of the Land. Period. End of discussion.

      also,

      Some people probably say: "What's the big deal if it is also used to catch drug dealers anyway? They are just criminals." I can understand that position but have to say that it is a pretty narrow view.


      I do not understand that position at all. "Just criminals"? The basis of all freedom is the freedom to break the law. The true horror of Echelon is that it is yet another attempt by weak-minded, fear-filled fools who do not understand this to drag us further down the path of Tyranny in the name of Security. Echelon makes the assumption that we are all criminals.

      When we have effectively legislated all thought in a misguided attempt to prevent ThoughtCrime, we have ceased to be a free society. The idea that the interests of the State take primacy over the interests of individuals has a name...it's called Fascism.
      .
    3. Re:I know this has been talked about before but... by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Some people probably say: "What's the big deal if it is also used to catch drug dealers anyway? They are just criminals."

      Yeah, and the dialog usually goes something like this:

      "You can't do that. It violates Article--"

      "But it's drugs."

      "Oh, OK."

      rj

  17. Non-technical background info by bsv368 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ACLU has a fairly comprehensive, albeit slightly out of date, site dedicated to ECHELON.

  18. Re: Stories on Echelon wrt/US commercial espionage by rxmd · · Score: 4, Informative
    I would like to hear more about this. Is there an English version of that article anywhere?
    There are several; the best from a journalistic point of view is probably the one on Heise (English), a German technology news forum from the publishers of Germany's best computer and IT magazines (c't and iX, respectively).

    Others are here, here, here and here . The journalistic quality varies. You might have to search for "Kenetech".

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  19. Question by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 5, Funny

    You bastards. You've slashdotted echelon.

    Since it's slashdotted, I have a question: could someone please tell me what is that "echelon" thing we are talking about? It seems interesting with those trillion floating point operations and all that but I don't have much time to search for more info right now because I am very busy building a nuclear bomb for Robert Malda, pseudonym CmdrTaco, Commander in Chief of the Slashdot terrorist organisation, and if I don't give it to him before the narcotic transport arrives and he won't be able to assassinate the president on time, then my arse is going to expericence some serious jihad with his weapons of mass destruction, because how else will he be able to overthrow the federal government and start the violent uprising to destroy democracy and bring Islamic fundamentalism to the US? So, could anyone tell me what's that? Thanks.

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    1. Re:Question by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny
      Seems like the Christain fundamentalists have already seized power in the US.

      No. John Kerry, well-known Catholic, has not been elected yet.

  20. Let's Slashdot Echelon! by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, we all agree a common time, dial a friend and utter the phrase:

    "George Bush, the President of the United States, would never assasinate an infidel World Leader with Semtex or a radioactive nuclear dirty bomb"

    and see what happens!

    Chew on that Echey baby!

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  21. Serious question by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to Wikipædia: "ECHELON is the largest electronic spy network in history, run by the United States, the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, capturing telephone calls, faxes and e-mails around the world. ECHELON is estimated to intercept up to 3 billion communications every day." It raises a very serious question: How on Earth do they manage to get 3 billion warrants every day?!

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  22. Echelon's exemption list? by seven+of+five · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I'd like to see is the list of numbers blocked from processing. White House? Kremlin? Saudi royal family? Raytheon executives and mistresses? Don't tell me everyone's equal under this scheme.

  23. What does it need floating point for anyway? by IgnorantSavage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm curious about why they mention floating point performance at all since it would seem that integer performance would be far more useful for just about anything Echelon needs to do.

    Anyone know if there is a reason for the floating point reference other than just as a 'gee whiz' number?

  24. Interesting question by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm curious, what Echelon can do with Freenet? Or SSH traffic? Or IPSex? Or SSL? Or GPG email? Does it work only on clear-text communication? I suppose not because that would be utterly foolish. With VoIP it's now trivial to have encrypted voice communication all over the world. What can Echelon do about such traffic?

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    1. Re:Interesting question by arcade · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which, while possible, is very unlikely (it would be the cryptography equivolent of finding a way to turn lead into gold).

      Well, they _may_ have found a method to factor products of large primes more efficiently. There has been made major strides to that goal during the last ten years or so (or so it seems to me, a non-matematician).

      TWINKLE broke the 512bit RSA key. Bernstein has a proposal on how a machine could break a 1024bit key. For all we know, the NSA may have found better methods - which are able to factor 2048bit keys in a short timespan.

      How likely it is .. I've got no clue.

      However, what IS certain is that pure bruteforcing is out of the question. Whatever the paranoids may believe, not even the NSA sit on fast enough computers to break into a single SSH session if they use todays public knowledge on algorithms. Not even all the worlds computers combined would be able to break into such a session with reasonable time. Breaking into lots of them in parallell -- "yeah right".

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    2. Re:Interesting question by chemguru · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Regarding VoIP... The government is working to broadband providers to include VoIP under CALEA (Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act). Essentially, providers must have provisions in place to wiretap VoIP traffic.

      I would ASSume that if there's hardware available to tap VoIP, Echelon could pick it up as well ( or MADE to tie into the same hardware {if it's not already} ).

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  25. I wouldn't worry by roystgnr · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it ever does become sentient, it'll probably classify it's own creators as a terrorist organization and end up working with the good guys.

  26. How Is it? by marktaw.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is it we can get exact specs for Echelon, but not for Google?

  27. economic espionage by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You left out one major item. Economic espionage, which is why the EU investigated the program in the first place.

    A lot of european contractors kept finding themselves underbid or business stolen from them- when everything was secret and there was no explanation except eavesdropping. Further, it was only US businesses that seemed to benefit from this mysterious information-providing god.

  28. Do you remember when we used to say ... by nusratt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... right after 9/11:
    "The terrorists win only if they change us, only if they make us change who we are and how we live."

    By that standard, I'd say "Game Over".

    1. Re:Do you remember when we used to say ... by gone.fishing · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, I think I agree. If I were Osama Bin Laden, I'd be amazed at the return on my investment. I really very much doubt that he expected even 10% of the results that he got.

      He has won in more ways than he ever imagined. His legacy will be that he managed to make the free world less free. But when you think about it, he was only the catalyst. His timing was perfect, George W. Bush accomplished more of this than Osama did. It could even be argued that George W. Bush has made Osama his puppet to help him achieve specific political goals.

      More than once I've wondered if fifty years from now, we will learn that the government had fore-knowlege of this like they did of Pearl Harbor. I certainaly hope not but can not discount it as a possibility. Our history shows that it was done before. I'd like to think that this is impossible but I can't.

      If some day we learn that some in government knew and took no action to protect a state secret, I'll view them in the same light that I view Bin Laden and Hitler.

  29. Echelon fun .. by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 3, Funny

    Echelon, among other stuff, is supposed to snoop on telecommunication networks.

    For example, matching voice patterns, it will alert the CIA every time someone utters 'Ana raicha al quaeda' in arabic.

    This has been known to cause too many alerts at a time when an earthquake caused a colera epidemic, which caused many arabs to go to the 'sit' (quaeda) frequently.

    Echelon has been critizised in the far dull past to lack overlook and control of who enters keywords, so the public wouldn't know whether it has been used to do some really cool insider trading on the stock markets.

    Usually, however, the keyword 'echelon' just evokes paranoia on the minds of european business top executives and serves to cover up human intelligence gathered or made up by the president himself at the dinner table. Or so I heard.

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  30. The fourth amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


    Violating my fourth amendment rights and eroding my civil liberties is a much greater threat to my national security than any WMD is.

    I read something everyday that makes me want to quit being an American.

  31. That's not really an argument by AllenChristopher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm going to sell you this elephant charm. It will protect you from wild elephants, and you can be sure it works! Do you see any elephants around here?

  32. Re:Echelon? Easily avoided by Kronovohr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    actually, you've pretty much hit the nail right on the head.

    There's one program out there that turns a normal message into a spam message based on the textual content, and can be decoded by running it through the same program. However, this doesn't go far enough to a degree -- if you create such a message, there's only one way to distribute it effectively and subversively, as to not be detected and your agent compromised:

    spam.

    Simple steps:

    1. Make certain your recipient has tens or hundreds of low-profile email accounts on every free mail provider out there
    2. Craft your message as spam using a predetermined sequence, or use a one-time pad which the recipient has on hand that the return message will look like spam
    3. Create dummy websites that contain order information for the product(s) you're selling, and actually sell something -- the subversive can effectively use this as a side phishing tool
    4. Purchase several "100 TRILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES!@!@!@! $29.95!@!!!!!@" CDs, and scrape USENET and websites for email addresses
    5. Each time, use a different spam relay
    6. Spam every email in the list, including your recipients

    From this, the message is completely lost in noise, and is theoretically disregarded...with all the spammers out there, the noise volume is enormous.

    The only problem with this scenario is that your recipients have no measures to contact you again, but you can set up a web log or forum where you talk about kittens or someshit and they'll be able to place padded messages back, or whatever you want to do.

    Now -- hopefully, if the national governments hadn't thought about this before, we'll see a "war on spam" where they'll drop a few bunker busters on a few spammers out there :D

  33. Echelon in the late 1970's by cohomology · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the late 1970's I worked for a defense contractor that built specialized signal processing computers. The NSA was a major customer. We tried to find other applications, like oil and gas exploration, but nobody else was buying.

    My job was to write microcode assemblers and then write the microcode that handled I/O. My description of the hardware is here.

    Up to 24 voice grade channels (8K samples per second each) arrived time and/or frequency multiplexed onto a single data channel. The system detected the presence of the subchannels, determined the type of modulation being used, and ran them through the appropriate demodulator algorithm. I don't know what happened to the data after that.

    We didn't use custom chips. A cabinet full of Schottky MSI chips was enough for a three processor system. The system's speed was due to parallelism, not high clock rate.

    By the way, one of our computer rooms was built inside a big metal box that was suspended from the roof on cables. When it mattered, all external connections except for power were unplugged. We were too cheap to pay for a shielded air-conditioning system, so tests lasted a maximum of 20 minutes.

    --
    Don't mess with The Phone Company. Piss them off and you'll be using two tin cans and a piece of string.
  34. Re:Cananda? by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 3, Funny

    Eye halve a spelling chequer. It came with my pea sea.
    It plainly marques four my revue miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

    Eye strike a key and type a word and weight four it two say
    Weather eye am wrong oar write. It shows me strait a weigh.

    As soon as a mist ache is maid. It nose bee fore two long
    And eye can put the error rite. Its rarely ever wrong.

    Eye have run this poem threw it. I am shore your pleased two no.
    Its letter perfect in it's weight. My chequer tolled me sew.

    Sauce Unknown
    (Reader's Digest)