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Distress Signal Emitted By Flat-Screen TV

pinqkandi writes "CNN is a running a story on an Oregon college student's flat-screen Toshiba TV which was releasing the 121.5 MHz international distress signal. He was unaware of the issue until local police, search and rescue, and civil air patrol members showed up at his apartment's door. Apparently the signal was strong enough to be picked up by satellite and then routed to the Air Force Rescue Center in Virginia. Quite impressive - luckily Toshiba is offering him a free replacement."

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  1. Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It turns out it got stuck on the Lifetime network, so it really was in a state of distress.

    1. Re:Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it got stuck on Fox News' channel.

    2. Re:Actually by Hanno · · Score: 5, Interesting

      > It turns out it got stuck on the Lifetime
      > network, so it really was in a state of
      > distress.

      I had a TV (also by Toshiba, coincidently) that would crash when it showed the local community channel. When that happened, it did not accept any key presses on the remote or on the TV set itself, so I couldn't change the channel anymore.

      Basically, my TV forced me to watch the horrible Hamburg community channel.

      I complained to Toshiba and it turned out that this channel aired a non-standard Teletext that had the ability crash this particular TV's teletext decoder.

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    3. Re:Actually by ThaReetLad · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you'll find it's "Faux News Channel"

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  2. Must have been quite powerful by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I'd originally read this on CNet a while ago.

    And the (CNet) article points out something of relevance - with so many new devices and what not, our radio spectrum is increasingly becoming very muddled and interference a lot more commonplace. I wonder if existing regulations would do, or if new ones be required.

    Something to think about.

    And I wonder how powerful that signal must have been to have caused such interference. Either that, or the receiving satellites must be having one hell of a resolution capability.

    The latter also provides some food for thought - if their satellite equipment is sensitive enough to find out interfering signals from a Television set, wonder what else they can (and do) eavesdrop :)

    What kind of Tempest attacks do take place, I wonder. Satellite Van Eck Phreaking?

    ~adjusts tinfoil hat~

    1. Re:Must have been quite powerful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except the entire point of this particular satellite is to save peoples' lives. Good try, though.

    2. Re:Must have been quite powerful by overlord2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And even more depressing that someone would choose to see the capability of receiving a distress signal as something other than a good thing (TM).

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    3. Re:Must have been quite powerful by tonsofpcs · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 121.5 MHz (as well as 243 MHz) Distress call response is being phased out, and the newer 406 MHz call is becoming a more accepted (and used) standard.

      See the official NOAA Press Release (PDF) for deteals.

    4. Re:Must have been quite powerful by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative
      Or the U.S. Coast Guard press release (HTML) here.

      Basically, that frequency was getting way too many false positives, so they're phasing it out. To quote the release, "121.5 MHz false alerts inundate search and rescue authorities. This is another major factor in influencing the decision to stop the satellite processing."

      121.5 MHz is in the middle of cable channel 14. Frankly, it's rather surprising that this doesn't happen -constantly-.

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    5. Re:Must have been quite powerful by rob13572468 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      i have talked a few times with someone who worked in the TSCM business (surveillance countermeasures). these are the real guys, not the ones you see with the $99 bug detector. the standard range that they now perform sweeps in goes from DC-300 ghz. i was naturally very interested in what they would be looking for above 30ghz and while the person i talked to admitted that he never personally found anything up in those frequencies, it was well known in their community that such devices were known to exist though they would likely be the domain of only the top government agencies. at any rate the device that he described would look something like the size of a coin and be able to send data in the high ghz range using spread spectrum burst communications directly to an overhead LEO satellite; essentially the ability to bug someone from space using areas of the spectrum that most would never look at and even if they did would likely never actually "see' the transmission unless they were lucky enough to see it transmitting and then only if they were knowledgable enough to recognize the signal from the surrounding noise. scary, huh...

    6. Re:Must have been quite powerful by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the technology that they have let us know about is able to pick up a signal generated by a plasma TV, I really wonder what they're keeping under their hats.

      Most of us only half-believe the stories about echelon and massive gov't surveillance but things like this tell me that our fears may be more reasonable than we think.

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    7. Re:Must have been quite powerful by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Informative

      I just checked the frequency of channels for TWC Austin. (digital cable)

      Ch 6 = 85Mhz
      Ch 7 = 177Mhz
      Ch 8 = 183Mhz
      Ch 9 = 189Mhz
      Ch 10 = 195Mhz
      Ch 11 = 201Mhz
      Ch 12 = 207Mhz
      Ch 13 = 213Mhz
      Ch 15 = 129Mhz
      Ch 16 = 135Mhz
      Ch 17 = 141Mhz
      Ch 18 and above keep climbing past 141Mhz

      Notice that Channel 14 doesn't exist and how the lower chanels skip around a bit. But the closest to 121.5Mhz is Channel 15.

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  3. When in a bind by RC_Car · · Score: 5, Funny

    "So if you need to transmit an international distress signal then stop by any local store and turn on a Toshiba flat-screen TV. We should be able to locate you in a matter of minutes."

  4. I bet . . . by Mod+Point+Sink · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . this is the last time that guy is a smartass to the salesman at Best Buy when buying a TV, though!

  5. One of those smart TVs by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Funny

    The TV probably gained sentience and realized the crap that was being fed to it. It responded in the only way it knew how.

    1. Re:One of those smart TVs by secretsquirel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just wait till it figures out how to spoof the GPS targeting coordinates of smart bombs.

      Hello Dave
      This show is horrible Dave
      I'm sorry Dave, you have 30 seconds to change the channel Dave

  6. Idea for new feature by BongoBen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, this gives me an idea for a new TV feature. Whenever you lose the remote control, it sends out a destress signal until a search team shows up to find it. Now that's service!

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  7. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You've gotta wonder what that guy was doing to that poor TV. (and whether the teletubbies were involved...)

  8. I bet he was hacking Dishnetwork... by shepd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's well known that certain hardware hacks for Dishnetwork receivers emit this same frequency.

    What a coincidence that a college student (no money) would be doing something technical (education) to get TV for free.

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    1. Re:I bet he was hacking Dishnetwork... by ricochet81 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      college student (no money)??

      the dude has a flat screen TV doesnt he?!

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  9. FULL TEXT OF THE DISTRESS MESSAGE by ferrellcat · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Please Help! My plasma is burning out! I'll need to be replaced in 2 years!"

  10. Signals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those who are wondering what type of signal this is, check here:

    http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/gmdss/epirb.ht m

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  11. 406MHz Digital Distress signal by amigoro · · Score: 5, Informative
    There's another digital distress signal too. The 406 MHz distress beacon emits both an analogue 121.5 MHz signal and a digital 406 MHz signal. The digital signal carries a code which identifies the beacon while the analogue signal is to enable aircraft to home on location. That digital code can be cross referenced with a database of registered 406 MHz beacon owners held at AMSA which identifies who is in trouble and what type of situation they are in. This enables the search and rescue authorities to tailor a response to the emergency situation.

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  12. Almost a year? by ets960 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It scares me that it took them almost a year to get the distress signal. Remind me never to get lost at sea.

  13. Re:Signal Details by flyboy974 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You'll be waiting ~ 3-4 hours before somebody comes and finds you, if they are really good at it.

    First, wait for a satellite pass will notify the Air Force. They will then verify it if they can, contact the FAA for missing flights, etc. The next call goes out to the Civil Air Patrol wing that is responsible for that area. They in turn will normally notify the local authorities who are in charge of S&R. Of course, when you broadcast on 121.5, that sound is audible in every Airtraffic Control center that it can reach.

    Once they have done this, they will organize a ground based S&R party and try get a general area of where the signal is coming from. Remember, this is non-directional, so they have to go to a few different places, measure the direction and approx. strength of the signal, and then they will know about where it is. Triangulation sucks, esp. with trees and mountains.

    Once they have done this, they'll start their search. Oh, if it's at night and it's not somewhere near them, they'll wait until the morning. Hope you don't keel over at night.

    Finally, once they triangulate it, they home in on it. In this case, they homed it to an apartment. Questioned the guy, and went back out into the hallway and confirmed it was coming from there.

    So, do you REALLY want a 121.5 ELT locator? I would get one of the new 406mhz ones which are digitally encoded with your information. In addition, some models offer GPS in them that will transmit your GPS coordinates when it sends it. Much nicer and easier to find.

    Oh, and I'm not a CAP member any more. But, it was fun while I did it. Not enough time now, but, maybe after I'm done building my airplane I'll have time.

  14. Wait a minute.. by russint · · Score: 5, Funny

    On October 2, the 20 year-old college student was visited at his apartment in the small university town by a contingent of local police, civil air patrol and search and rescue personnel.
    [...]
    Authorities had expected to find a boat or small plane with a malfunctioning transponder, the usual culprit in such incidents, emitting the 121.5 MHz frequency of the distress signal used internationally.


    Why did they expect to find a boat/plane in a apartment building?

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  15. 10 years ago, it was pizza ovens by Mr.+Majordomo · · Score: 5, Funny
    Here's the followup traffic from a Civil Air Patrol mission in California about 10 years ago, where the errant signal was traced to a self-serve hot pizza machine (a freezer full of pizza, a microwave oven, a chute to move frozen pizzas from the freezer to the oven, and a coin/cash machine to collect the money).
    ROUTINE
    072338Z MAY 93
    HEADQUARTERS CALIFORNIA WING/MCO [NAME DELETED]
    HEADQUARTERS ALL UNITS CALIFORNIA WING
    INFO CC DO CALO
    BT
    ATTENTION EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL
    SEARCH MISSION 93XM0956 OPENED 6 MAY AND CLOSED 7 MAY FOR A
    SIGNAL INTERFERENCE ON 121.5. SIGNAL LOCATED AND SECURED IN
    A HOT PIZZA MACHINE IN NORTH PALM SPRINGS. THANKS TO MAJOR
    [NAME DELETED], FIRST LIEUTENANT [NAME DELETED] AND SECOND LIEUTENANT
    [NAME DELETED] OF
    SQUADRON 11 FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE ON THIS MISSION.
    BT
    P.S. NO FREE PIZZA.
    END OF MESSAGE
  16. The relationship of 121.5 Mhz to NTSC video by Skapare · · Score: 5, Informative

    The frequency of the NTSC color subcarrier (the TV color system used in analog video standards in North America and Japan) is defined as exactly 5 MHz times 63/88. That works out to 3.579545454.... (infinitely repeating 54's) MHz. The horizontal scanning frequency is then defined as a 2/455 times the color subcarrier frequency. That works out to 15734.26573426.... (infinitely repeating 573426's) Hz (very nearly the original monochrome horizontal frequency of 15750 Hz). This is where the problem lies. 121.5 MHz divided by 7722 is exactly the same frequency as the horizontal in an NTSC color video signal.

    The 7722nd harmonic shouldn't really be that strong, right? Usually not. But the harmonics can get to be very strong overall even at such high orders when dealing with modulating the high voltages needed for the horizontal sweep. There should be some low pass filters that prevent that from getting into the VHF range. But if the filters are absent, or were incorrectly installed, or were damaged somehow, and if some wires formed some resonance near 121.5 MHz (like wires going out to cable, speakers, etc) ... a wavelength of about 2.47 meters or 8.1 feet ... it is possible that harmonic, and a bunch of others near it, could be enhanced and radiated.

    The local oscillator in the tuner is a remote possibility. But it would have to be tuned to be receiving a video carrier at 75.75 MHz based on the common satndard of 45.75 MHz for the IF stage in the tuner. But there is no TV broadcast on that frequency in the US ... though I could not rule out there being something on that frequency from a cable system. Still, it wouldn't be an expected place for a TV to tune to. But if the TV has a non-standard IF frequency, the local oscillator getting on 121.5 MHz by some expected channel could be possible. Those leak a lot and it's how the snoops can tell what channel you are tuned to by spying on the RF emitted from your house.

    If just this one TV had the problem, then apparently it must be a manufacturing defect or shipping damage (or maybe user damage or tampering). If it were a design problem, I'd sure we'd hear more about it. That probably rules out the CPU clock frequency.

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  17. Re:Dodgy TV software? by FLEB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile... IT'S A FREAKING TELEVISION! "TV" and "crash" should not be sharing the same sentence.

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  18. Can affect Air Traffic Control by p.rican · · Score: 5, Informative
    as well. Cable companies can be fined enormous amounts for failing to provide evidence of an ongoing leakge control/abatement program. When I was a cable TV tech, my primary job was to drive around the neighborhood looking for the "Leakage". It's called "CLI" or Cumulative Leakage Index. If the leakage was coming from someone's house and we could not gain access to the house to correct the problem, the customer's service was disconnected at the pole and a note was left on the door. The usual culprit was a crappy amplifier and those "high quality gold plated screw on RG6 connectors" you see sold in Radio Shack, Walmart etc.

    If you want to do wiring yourself, here's what you should be looking for:

    1. (at least) Dual shielded RG-56 coax cable
    2. (at least) 80% braid (no copper braid either)
    3. RG56 crimper
    4. RG56 crimp style connectors. Not the screw-on connectors
    5. Splitters with frequency rating of 5MHz-1GHz
    6. Install amplifiers in your house preferably before the first split of the coax.

    Hope that helps

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