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First Looks at Athlon 64 4000+ & FX-55
CrzyP writes "AnandTech.com has benchmarked the new "Athlon 64 4000+ and the FX-55" in various areas including business application performance, audio/video, gaming, and much more in this first look at AMD's newest 64bit chips. Just after AMD's announcement, AnandTech posted this article to help consumers choose between Intel and AMD."
AnandTech posted this article to help consumers choose between Intel and AMD
...what article?
on Extremetech
Why should Anand get all the attention?
Feel free to also check http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc1
another review on tom's hardware
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http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041019/index.
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This is actually the last resort, as the cost of wafer real-estate versus speed increase is low. You rarely do this for raw speed rather for special needs like Servers and the like.
The increase in the speed for a workstation is probably one speed grade at a cost increase of 30% or so.
There is two good articles over on TheInquirer about Intels road map and why they have to go the Increase the cache route for 2005. Worth a read. Part One and Part Two
Help fight continental drift.
Another nForce 4 Review on Hardware Analysis.
This is a major overhaul of the aging nforce3 chipset.. Check it out.
Expect a flurry of new advances by the end of the year.
I am ready to buy a new Linux system and am pulling hair out trying to make the best choice. Due to Linux compatibility issues (and mixed experiences with nforce2), I cannot really consider nforce4 so it will be Via for me. Though Nvidia will likely get the nod for graphics.
The 90nm chips are a mixed bag at the moment.
Article number two on Anandtech right now is a first look at nVidia's nForce4 chipset, which (in the more expensive version) will support dual PCI Express video (to support the GeForce 6 series SLI capabilities). Essentially, there is a 16-channel PCI Express slot which can be split into two 8-channel slots.
They also make a passing reference to a chipset from VIA which will support PCI Express for the Athlon 64.
Toward the end of the article, they mention that nForce 4 boards from Asus and MSI should be out soonish.
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articl
http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/athlon64-fx5
http://www.bit-tech.net/review/364/
http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=266
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=331
http://www.amdreview.com/reviews.php?rev=fx-55-40
http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/processors/am
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc1
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athl
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=614
#1) just because it wasn't in production doesn't mean it wasn't in the works. #2) Video game companies have to take risks like that to keep their games cutting edge, operating systems and other such software companies don't. There's no money in putting 200 programmers to work on an enterprise software suite that won't be useable for another 5 years.
Hmmm witty sig or funny sig? Maybe elitest techy sig!
The 4000+ isn't clocked any higher than the 3800+, it's just got a bigger cache. It's basically an FX-53; in fact, that's exactly what it is, sans the name. It would seem AMD is plateauing as well, but perhaps 90nm will get them out of the jam later on.
However, this is a wise move by AMD even if the rating isn't justified (hint: the benchmarks say it's not). Intel will never have a 4GHz CPU, and idiots who don't understand performance will see the 4000+ and want it because it breaks the 4000 barrier. It could backfire, but probably not, because even though 4000+ isn't justified, it's still faster than any of Intel's chips on 90% of applications.
-Dan
I used to read Tomshardware until several years ago. It reviewed several 3d cards, including one from 3dfx. It tested them in OpenGL where the 3dfx card dominated. The reviewer stated that the 3dfx card did well in OpenGL because OpenGL was its "native" API.
Not only did the reviewer not know the difference between Glide and OpenGL, he didn't even know that 3dfx's advantage in OpenGL was due to the fact that the drivers didn't fully impliment OpenGL.
In other words, Tom's site is worthless.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Chipsets no longer determine the memory technology on AMD platforms. AMD 64-bit processors have the memory controller on the processor.
No one ever got fired for buying Intel. .... just wait a bit ...
Really ?
That figure *is* the power dissipation. There is no significant "useful work" that a processor can do.
"130nm process, max 1Ghz"
???
130nm Northwood 3.2Ghz
90nm Prescott 3.8Ghz
65nm ???
I think the real question is will you be upgrading just your CPU next or doing another CPU + Motherboard upgrade?
;) My thought on the matter was 2 fold in regards to 32bit vs 64bit. ;)
If you are going to wait 2 or 3 years and go for a full MB+CPU then you can get the best bang for you buck on a high end Athlon or the "old" AMD64 chips. If you are going to upgrade your cpu again in a year then go for a 939 Motherboard and lowend 939 CPU like the 3500+ since you will be able to pop in a current FX chip a year and a half from now for the price of a current Athlon.
The other thing to take into consideration is will you need new RAM and Power Supply to go along with your new MB and CPU. Build that into your cost when you are comparing things.
I just recently spec'd my own systems and I went with the 939 AMD3500+ But I went with a whole new system since just about all my other hardware is 7+ years old
1. I wanted to experiment with 64bit linux
2. I figured I would be getting a "free" upgrade when win64 comes out and 64bit games start becoming available.
2.5 Since I only do this once in a blue moon for my personal system, I wanted that warm glow of knowing I'll have a "little god" for a month or 2
I think the GGP poster was giving the slashdot audience the benefit of the doubt with regards to their ability to disseminate an idea/opinion/fact from a statement.
Think. And while you're at it, assume others do too.
I'm looking to get rich. I've got steps #2 (????) and #3 (PROFIT!) planned out, but am having trouble coming up with #1.
Too easy. I no longer read Toms, the bias is simply too strong. Where, you ask? Take this example. In the same week, Tom abused ATI and nVidia (rightly so, IMO) for paper launches, then does a serious review of an Intel chipset that not only isn't available yet, but won't be for another 6 months!
A great quote, from the Xeon vs. Opteron battleground: "AMD can consider itself lucky, because due to the dual channel memory controller that is part of each processor, the dual Opteron has a nice advantage, despite having a clock speed that is 1.2 GHz slower."
Let me get this right, AMD is lucky that they designed the chip archetecture properly? This makes it seem like AMD are somehow 'cheating' Intel out of a win, I fail to understand how this is not bias.
Read the conclusions they come to, read into how they analyse the chips and you too will see the level of bias. Most of the benchmarks are fine, although they do seem to weight them towards the pro-intel ones, and I have no problem with the test systems used, but there is so much bullshit padding before and after the actual numbers that I no longer care what Tom and his minions say.
All of the energy going into the processor is going to come out as heat. It's similar to what would happen if you put a lightbulb in a box, and then measured how much heat was being produced outside.
Some of the power going to the lightbulb makes waste heat directly, and some of it makes light. But since it's all closed up in a box, all of the light ends up making heat, too.
So yes, some of the power going into the processor does useful work. But from the point of view outside the processor at the heatsink, even the useful work creates heat.
How can heat sinks keep up? If you've seen the size of heat sinks that come with these processers, you'll understand.
I built an P4/LGA system for a guy last week. The heat sink that came standard with the CPU really impressed me - it's the kind of heat sink you would have expected to see hardcore overclockers paying $60 for two years ago. Very large and well-designed!
Times used to be when heat sinks weighed one or two ounces, and came with 40mm fans. Then came the 60mm fans. Now, 80mm fans and two-pound aren't at all uncommon, with some models using 92mm fans, and some weighing three pounds or more. Copper is being used for more and more of the heat sink. Better heat conduction, more surface area, and more air. It's not rocket science. : )
Plus, on the new P4's, the chips are able to run at much higher temperatures than previous generations. The greater temperature differential between the chip and the heat sink, the faster you can get the heat to conduct.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.