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Gn0M3KInG writes "CBC Canada is reporting that the largest Canadian science project in 30 years, a $174 million synchrotron is about to be fired up in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (Canada - duh!). This little device is capable of generating light millions of times brighter than the sun, and is the first of it's kind in North America. Looks like this could lead to some VERY cool research developments like creating better microchips, and watching living cells react to drugs (amongst others)."

57 comments

  1. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is CBC Canada like BBC Great Britain?

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, only run by dipshits.

    2. Re:Hmm by neuph · · Score: 1

      CBC = Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It is a crown corporation, and has no affiliation with the BBC.

    3. Re:Hmm by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I believe the parent poster was remarking that it's redundant:

      CBC Canada turns into Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Canada. Just like BBC Great Britain would be, I think, British Broadcasting Corporation Great Britain.

    4. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there is the French-language version (SRC), so I suppose it could be in contrast to CBC Quebec...

    5. Re:Hmm by ViolentGreen · · Score: 1

      What about ABC in the US?

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    6. Re:Hmm by westendgirl · · Score: 1

      It's possible to say CBC Canada to distinguish the National Broadcasting Centre from the regional broadcasting centres (e.g. CBC Vancouver, CBC Ottawa). However, most people would just say CBC to refer to the national centre. As for CBC Quebec, I think SRC would refer to the main broadcaster and SRC Vancouver, SRC Ottawa, etc would be the preferred way to refer to regional divisions of Societe Radio Canada -- the French language CBC. CBC Quebec would perhaps be the CBC in Quebec City, if there is one.

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  2. Video clip of a more in-depth story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Available here under "Watch the National online." You'll have to forward and rewind to get to the juicy bits, though, as it's a couple stories embedded within the hour-long newscast.

  3. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A shiny new synchrotron in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Spiffy.

  4. Very cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    As noted you can nifty things with these like make movies of crystal structures deforming.

    And FWIW it amounts to an x-ray laser.

  5. Arrrggghh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Zee Goggles! Zey do nothing!

    1. Re:Arrrggghh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This little device is capable of generating light millions of times brighter than the sun

      careful, some brit might try and destroy it...

  6. Clips are already linked from the story page by blacklite001 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You could also just click on the story link, and look to the right of the story, where there is a 1:53 video in both Quicktime and RealVideo formats, and a 2:22 RealAudio clip. There's also the synchrotron website linked on the right side.

    1. Re:Clips are already linked from the story page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The info on the newscast is a superset of the info presented in the article.

    2. Re:Clips are already linked from the story page by blacklite001 · · Score: 1

      Oh. Well, that wasn't specified in the parent.

  7. Curious... by Spytap · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is the sound of a million blinded Canadians blinking?

    1. Re:Curious... by smileyy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure, but its probably a beady kind of sound.

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    2. Re:Curious... by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      ...followed by, ".....PHBHBT! AAhahahahaha!"

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  8. Warning by craXORjack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do not look into synchrotron with remaining eye.

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  9. I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I'm almost certain Strange Brew has the answer.

  10. Thrust by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what is the thrust of a light source millions of times brighter than the sun? Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

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    1. Re:Thrust by CommanderData · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

      I don't know, but if it includes an irrational particle accelerator, a liquid lunch and a pair of rubber bands you can count me out!

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    2. Re:Thrust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Force = (Beam_Power x Beam_Area) / (c x Beam_Duration)

    3. Re:Thrust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it "rubber pants"? Although it would be a lot less disturbing if it were "bands" ...

    4. Re:Thrust by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 1

      I find it hard to believe this is actually brighter than the sun. I have on very good authority that the Sun is very, very bright. For some reason, many of the almost incomprehensibly huge balls of plasma in the universe are that way, though.

      I suspect they mean "brighter than the sun appears on the earth", but I'm not even entirely sure what means.

      I wonder how many libraries of congress full of these things would be required to illuminate a football field?

    5. Re:Thrust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet your physics professor loved grading your papers. Jesus Christ, you didn't even bother to make the units match.

    6. Re:Thrust by Fortran+IV · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're thinking "solar sail" (synchrotron sail?), then think of this: A light source 10 million times brighter than the Sun would still have to be about 440 km in diameter to have the same light output as the Sun. I doubt Canada is yet ready to build such a large installation.

      If on the other hand you're thinking of an Angel's Pencil laser drive: IANA physicist, and I'm frankly over my head with this.
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    7. Re:Thrust by ViolentGreen · · Score: 1

      Just want to let you know that I thoroughly enjoyed that post.

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    8. Re:Thrust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's bands in the wowbagger the infinitely prolonged case. rubber pants in the invader zim case, but then it was invader blood marching through his veins like gigantic rubber pants. The pants commanded him, and you did not ignore his veins.

  11. power bill is 2 million dollars CAD/year by xutopia · · Score: 1

    Imagine having to pay such a fee for your house! :)

    1. Re:power bill is 2 million dollars CAD/year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what does 2 million $CAD work out to in US dollars, like 75 bucks a month?

    2. Re:power bill is 2 million dollars CAD/year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $1.6m and rising. Not only is the joke stale, but becoming less and less true as time goes by.

    3. Re:power bill is 2 million dollars CAD/year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So what does $1 million US dollars work out to in Maltese Lira? Something like 3 or 4 Lira?

      And what does $1 million US dollars work out to in Euros? 5 Euro? 6 Maybe?

      WTF is it with you yanks and your bizarre confusion about what exchange rates mean?

    4. Re:power bill is 2 million dollars CAD/year by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the other side of the coin is "Gee, isn't it nice to be able to have an excess of electricity to run that sucker and still light up the rest of the province"

  12. It's less than a kilometer from where I'm sitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in the same research park at the U. of S. where the CLS is located. It's an extremely cool buildling and project; I got a tour of the place while they were still building the ring.

    Now if only I could tour Fermilab ...

  13. rainbows? by Blue+Mushroom · · Score: 1

    "That light comes off as a continuum, similar to what you see when the sun shines after a thunderstorm and you get the rainbow effect," said scientist Jeff Cutler of Canadian Light Source. "Same kind of idea here except we generate infrared, we generate visible, and we generate soft and hard X-rays."

    wait... don't rainstorm-rainbows separate out the other frequencies also (except for the frequences that water absorms)? If we could see infrared, ultraviolet, X-rays, etc., our rainbows would be wider and have more bands, right?

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    1. Re:rainbows? by pinopino · · Score: 1

      don't rainstorm-rainbows separate out the other frequencies also (except for the frequences that water absorms)?

      Water vapor is rather opaque to most a lot of ultraviolet light (that's why we can live here, since the atmosphere filters it out). IR is also pretty well absorbed (warmth). The whole reason we see visible light is that that was what mattered for evolution - it's what was there for the most part.

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    2. Re:rainbows? by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

      Besides, this is likely a case of a scientist trying to speak in layman's terms to a reporter. Probably half the reporters that Mr Cutler has spoken to don't know a spectrum from a speculum.

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  14. monster bud by fiftyLou · · Score: 1


    Ohh, the chronic we could grow with this thing...
    Talk about watching living cells react to drugs!!!!

  15. only wider by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

    Not more bands. The rainbow having six bands is a by-product of having three color filters in our eyes. In our case, they are Red, Green, and Blue.

    If you want more bands, add to the RGB triplet in our eyes (IRGB? RGBU?). And then re-design the CRT and color TV systems to accomodate, since the monitors will appear to be "burned out", the way they look when green goes out and all you have is red, blue, and intermediate shades of violet.

  16. Just in time for us geezers by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    As my eyes get weaker I may look to buy the consumer version of this thing to read by at night.

  17. Synchrotron list by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a page of links to various synchrotrons around the world:

    http://www-als.lbl.gov/als/synchrotron_sources.h tm l

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  18. Ay? by itwerx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    (Canada - duh!)

    Er, shouldn't that be "Cana-duh!"...? :)

    Speaking of which, y'know how they came up with the name "Canada", right?
    Seems the early Europeans invaders, er, immigrants, were sitting around the campfire one night trying to come up with something easier to remember than all the funky names the locals used.
    After some time arguing they finally decided the best thing to do would be just put a bunch of letters in a hat and see what they pulled out.
    "C, ay?"
    "N, ay?"
    "D, ay?"

    (I heard that from a Canadian! So put down the flamethrower, ay? :)

    1. Re:Ay? by twnth · · Score: 1
      "C, ay?"
      "N, ay?"
      "D, ay?"

      Yet another testement to the wonderful public education system found south of 49.

      It's correctly spelt:
      "C, eh?"
      "N, eh?"
      "D, eh?"

      Personally, I blame Webster's policy of "spell it how you want, we'll make it legit"

    2. Re:Ay? by multiplexo · · Score: 1
      WARNING! GERMAN HUMOR ALERT! WARNING!

      Warum heisst Canada, "Canada"?

      Weil da sind keiner da!

      Followed by much German laughter, drinking of beer and an invasion of France through the low countries.

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  19. Runs on Red Hat Linux by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2

    Take a look at the Real or Quicktime videos at double size starting at about the 56 second mark and you'll see that key control computers run Red Hat Linux.

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    1. Re:Runs on Red Hat Linux by WasteOfAmmo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yes, we run Red Hat Linux on many of the servers both over at the CLS and here on the rest of campus. Our Computer Science dept. also runs Mandrake Linux in many of the undergrad labs.

      We currently license Mandrake so that all students on campus may download the distros from us. We also license MSDN for our Computer Science students.

      Incidently, CLS/UofS also runs Win2k3, various distros of Linux, Solaris, etc., etc. It is not so much of a case of OS religious wars as it is of using the right tool for the right job. The "right tool" is defined by the requirments of the project (which of course includes licensing costs as well as tech req.).

      bottom line: there is nothing wonderful and new to see here. These are not OS war propaganda materials your looking for. Just real IT people solving real IT problems using all available tools. Please move on.

      Merlin.

    2. Re:Runs on Red Hat Linux by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

      But my point was about seeing Red Hat Linux on workstations there. It was just an observation likely of interest to many /.ers and not worthy of your over-reaction, but thanks anyways.

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    3. Re:Runs on Red Hat Linux by geekoid · · Score: 1

      " Just real IT people solving real IT problems using all available tools."

      thats the point.

      Besides I think it was more of a fanboy statement then a propaganda machine.

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  20. Re:Ay? EH! by geek42 · · Score: 1

    You mean eh, don't you? Not much of a cana-coinnoiseur, eh? Maybe all you need on a cool October day like today is to throw on a nice warm bunnyhug and have a slice of Saskatoon berry pie. Ohhhhh yeaaah. Eh.

  21. w00t! Go Saskatoon :D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I type this it's coming from the open source linux lab in the spinks building...Computer "Stealth 12" on the U of S. It's a pretty computer. Take that REgina! Schnits0r

  22. The true story is funnier by brunes69 · · Score: 1
    Canada is actually a misspelling of Kanata, the Huron-Iroquois word for "village". Idoit european settlers cam eover here, and asked the natives where they were, and when they said "Kanata", they thought it mean the name of the country.

    More details

    1. Re:The true story is funnier by Simon+G+Best · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of how kangaroos came to be called 'kangaroos'.

      As I heard it told, an explorer/convict/whatever saw a strange animal bouncing by. He asked an Aborigine, who he happened to be with, what that animal was called.

      "Kangaroo," said the Aborigine. Or, to translate it into English: "I dunno."

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  23. NOT ANYMORE by Stoutlimb · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ever since the Americans started wrecking their economy by starting random wars for false reasons, their dollar has fallen fast. Heck the two currencies are getting closer every day. I wonder if Americans even realize what's happening to their buying power that's kept their economy going so well. I hope they notice and do something before hyper inflation hits.

    1. Re:NOT ANYMORE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just cant wait till hyperinflation

  24. Million times brighter than sunlight, Huh? by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    Fortunately for us, sunlight does not have X-ray in its spectrum. To do better at microelectronic fab, you need shorter wavelength light sources...the ones we have now are already bright enough. If you mean to improve microscopy [for viewing cells in vivo as suggested] by using a light source millions of times brighter than the sun, you better look darn quick...that lil' puppy is gonna vaporize in a microsecond or two and you with it if you don't stand back far enough.
    Obviously I gotta RTFA cause what I know of synchrotron radiation is that its for tunable X-ray...good for crystalography but instant cremation for living things so the /. on it is a bit confusing.

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  25. Re:Runs on Bad Usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but he'll never write a whitepaper until he knows the difference between 'your' and 'you're'..
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