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A Survey of Nintendo's Game Censorship Policies

ccnull writes "Found a page which offers a survey of Nintendo's policies on censorship, paying particular attention to how U.S. games differ from their Japanese counterparts. It's not just blood splatters, the author has interesting comparative screen grabs showing "clothed" statues and de-Nazified Hitlers."

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  1. Alcohol and Harvest Moon by nijk · · Score: 0

    incorporate or encourage the use of illegal drugs, smoking materials, and/or alcohol

    In the Harvest Moon games (particularly the one for N64), you can go to the bar, buy beer, and get, quite obviously, drunk.

    Were these rules still used during the 64 era?

    1. Re:Alcohol and Harvest Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    2. Re:Alcohol and Harvest Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that Conker's Bad Fur Day was released for the N64, I can only assume not.

  2. Another example by Radix37 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a treasure in Pikmin 2 worth 666 Pokos in the Japanese version and changed to 670 in the US. What's far worse is that all new games (only in the US) now have a 5 second health warning EVERY TIME you start them because of that stupid lawsuit earlier this year.

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    1. Re:Another example by alatesystems · · Score: 1

      What games? I've bought several games recently, and I only see the unskippable copyright notice. This is on xbox. Does that warning only apply to Nintendo? I just went and looked at Burnout 3 and I didn't see anything about health warnings.

    2. Re:Another example by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      Just how "new" is the new you're referring to? Is Zelda: Four Swords Adventures too old? It's the newes GCN game I have and it has no such warning that I'v eseen.

    3. Re:Another example by Mekabyte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, it has to be newer than that. I've seen it in the Metroid Prime 2: Echos demo disc and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. It's even featured on the Nintendo DS boot screen now :-/

    4. Re:Another example by Mekabyte · · Score: 1

      It only applies to Nintendo because only Nintendo has been sued (thus far).

    5. Re:Another example by Zangief · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know about Pikmin 2, but on Paper Mario 2, you just press any button to skip the f*cking warning.

      It is still annoying. Light sensitive epilepsia is not caused by videogames, just triggered. If you have it, though luck, go find another hobby, and don't screw up mine.

    6. Re:Another example by Radix37 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It's easy to say "just press a button" but you still have to wait 5 seconds, and when you're reseting a game hundreds of times to try to do a speed run, it's gets annoying REAL FAST.

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    7. Re:Another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't played it in a while, or maybe I was seeing things, but wasn't the Medusa/snake boss in Castlevania IV USA topless? I could remember seeing breasts, they were pinkish/skin color(for the game anyway) but with no real details(i.e. nipples).

      At the time I found it surprising, I thought at least they would make a chest plate of some sort. Then again, maybe it was assumed that part was covered in scales.

      And the maniac mansion exploding hamster did make it in the Nes version, it is just after the first batch of carts Nintendo caught it and had it removed for the later batches.

    8. Re:Another example by Zangief · · Score: 1

      Mmm. Just checked. 2 seconds before paper mario 2 lets you press the button.

    9. Re:Another example by N10sb2002 · · Score: 0

      How ironic that that post was labelled "redundant".

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    10. Re:Another example by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      If you have it, though luck, go find another hobby, and don't screw up mine.

      Not to mention that they discovered this problem at least 20 years ago, because I remember reading a warning about it in the manual to my NES Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt game pak.

  3. Earthbound / Mother 2 by sosuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well in the re-released versions of these games from SNES to GBA the game was further edited to remove things like cigarettes, which I think ruins some of the fun.

  4. Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by (SM)+Spacemonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting
    By the mid-90's, Nintendo's censorship practices were increasingly becoming both an embarrassment and a financial liability. Nintendo was earning a reputation as being a "kiddy" company that was both too patronizing and immature for older gamers.
    Today, Nintendo does not actively censor the games it releases. Games such as the infamous Conker's Bad Fur Day, which include swearing, blood, and sex are now openly published under the Nintendo banner, as long as they carry with them a "M for Mature Gamers" rating.
    Just wanted to say gore and sex doesn't make a game good. Nintendo may have a history for regional censorship, but they have a far greater history of making honestly fun and addictive games.
    1. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Dehumanizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, but if you read the rest of the article, you'll see that they, indeed, exaggerated. Banning the red cross in a med-kit because it could be seen as a religious symbol? Replacing "Bars" with "Cafes"? WW2 games couldn't have Nazis in them?

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    2. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by (SM)+Spacemonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      America is comparatively relgious. I could imagine some people being offended by religious imagery. As far as I know Germany still has strick censorship of Nazi imagery. I know the original Wolfinstien had trouble being released there. A real estate agent told he would have trouble selling our house because it had with a direct path from the front door to the back door, and this spooked many Chinese people. There are many buildings without a 13th floor. Yes these are all fairly baseless beliefs. I can't see how the number 13 has any special power. But it is just being respectful to other cultures. And really, does removing the cross from medkits make a game any less fun?

    3. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      that kind of depends.

      would it make star wars any more fun if they changed the mos eisley cantina into a starbucks cafe?

      you see, subtle things do change the story to some extent, and the target audience - if you make a story for adults you'd usually could use places like bars and exotic dancers in the telling of the plot.

      but if you make a kids book you wouldnt be using drugs or strippers... what this censorship did was that it took adult targeted games and re-targeted them at kids.

      (and come on, covering statues? that's just lame. what's true though is that they could have done this because usa's err.. weird stance on some issues. like EXPLODING HEAD == OK! titty == BAD).

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    4. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Deorus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > And really, does removing the cross from medkits make a game any less fun?

      Definitely yes! I like realistic games, and medkits without red crosses make no sense. Those who feel disrespected with it simply shalt buy the games. I don't want my freedom threatened by others' religious beliefs. They can chose to not see that stuff, nobody is forcing them, but they try to force me into their systems, and that's where the real disrespect begins!

    5. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by TykeClone · · Score: 5, Funny
      I like realistic games, and medkits without red crosses make no sense.

      With or without crosses - does a medkit instantly giving you 25 healthpoints seem realistic? Or Hitler running around in a mech suit?

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    6. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by paulcammish · · Score: 3, Funny
      ...would it make star wars any more fun if they changed the mos eisley cantina into a starbucks cafe?

      But Starbuck was from Battlestar Galactica, not Star Wars!

    7. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Rie+Beam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, I mean, why cover statues? It's not like anyone would be offen...

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/01/29/sta tues.htm

      You know what, perhaps Nintendo was right.

    8. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      would it make star wars any more fun if they changed the mos eisley cantina into a starbucks cafe?

      Shhhhh! Don't give Lucas any more ideas!

    9. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just wanted to say gore and sex doesn't make a game good. Nintendo may have a history for regional censorship, but they have a far greater history of making honestly fun and addictive games.

      Mortal Kombat.

      They removed the blood and gore from the fatality scenes and they eliminated Johnny Cage's "Nut Cracker" split punch. It adversely affected the game play. Even though it looked much, much worse, the Genesis version of that game was much more fun to play.

      Gamers and girlfriends have something in common. The bad things you do are remembered for much longer and taken far more seriously than the good things.

      LK

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    10. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by miyako · · Score: 1

      Actually, johhny cage did haved the split-punch move in MK for SNES, R+A.

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    11. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      America is comparatively relgious.
      While this is true, I think it is more relevant to piont out that Japanese companies have a history of running into problems in this area in American, European, and Chinese markets. They are probably a little oversensitive at this point which explains the censorship.
    12. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Well, he did the split. No groin punch though. It's been about a decade since I played, so I'm only 95% sure about the lack of the punch. I know it was back when they made MK II.

      LK

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    13. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sensitivity of Japanese companies is irrelevant. The points being made in TFA were true of Nintendo of America, not Nintendo Co. Ltd.

      Besides, the Japanese are very knowledgeable about Chinese beliefs. Many such beliefs are shared between the two cultures, along with those of other East Asian nations.

    14. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Zoshnell · · Score: 1

      Obviously Hitler in a mech suit isn't realistic. It has to be at the most his head and at the least his brain. Duh.

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    15. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by hc00jw · · Score: 1
      I can't see how the number 13 has any special power.

      It's the number of cycles the moon goes through in a year. Why is this now considered unlucky? Because the Pagan's believed that it was lucky, for precisely for the reason stated above. When Christianity was gaining popularity, the proponents of Christianity demonised a lot of Pagan beliefs, most prominently saying that Pagans worshipped the Devil (which is of course rubbish), but also did other subtle things, like changing the number 13 from good luck to bad.

    16. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by The+G+Man · · Score: 1

      Nope, I remember, in MK1 for the SNES he'd do it, unless you were up against Sonya, when he'd just do the split.

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    17. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      : Blake Blastowitz (or whatever his name was)

      William J. Blazkowicz.
      ( http://www.wolf3d.co.uk/hero.html )

    18. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by mink · · Score: 1

      Once you discount people who cant count, you will find every building taller then 12 stories has a 13th floor they just call it 14 or something. Still it is #13 no matter how much they wish changing the number on the wall meant anything to reality.

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    19. Re:Gore + sex a fun game does not make... by jfelix1010 · · Score: 1

      When I read this headline, I thought you were talking about Al Gore, and I had to agree!

  5. Re:Remind me how the US is the free'est country by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 1

    I believe Nintendo changed these things due to marketing concerns, and certainly not government pressure. So, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at... I want to know more about that Socks the Cat game from the article. Does anyone have more information about it?

  6. Re:Remind me how the US is the free'est country by NetDanzr · · Score: 3, Informative
    None of the changed material is illegal in the US; the worst the publisher can suffer is a higher age category rating or poorer reviews (or a combination). Nintendo changes the offending material just to sell more titles, not because it would run into legal troubles.

    Now, if Nintendo tried to sell some of those games in Germany, for example, it would be forced to get rid of some of the offending material by the country's law, not by the marketplace.

  7. Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by tao_of_biology · · Score: 1
    FTA:
    Today, Nintendo does not actively censor the games it releases. Games such as the infamous Conker's Bad Fur Day, which include swearing, blood, and sex are now openly published under the Nintendo banner, as long as they carry with them a "M for Mature Gamers" rating.

    So, while they've built up this reputation (imo, undeservedly) as a "kiddie" gaming company--It doesn't sound like this censorship paradigm really carries over to the gamecube.

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    1. Re:Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by Spleener12 · · Score: 1
      That's... not entirely true.

      There are at least three versions of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for the Nintendo 64 in the US. The first is uncensored. The second version changed the music for the fire temple (which sounded a little too much like a religious chant, I guess) and changed the color of Ganon's blood from red to green. The third version changed the graphic of the mirror shield- again, the symbol had some sort of religious connotation. The new version sucked in comparison IMHO. And no, they haven't gotten better, because you know which version they used for the Gamecube port? That's right, the third one.

      Two steps forward, one step back.

    2. Re:Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by jonwil · · Score: 1

      They DO censor some things across the board.
      And some things are OK but only in Mature rated games or something.

      For example, they probobly DO still censor religious symbols in games (especially those rated "Everyone") because despite the so-called "tolerance" in the US, there are still a lot of people who would complain (and rightly so in some cases) about religious symbols in a video game with no warnings that they are there.

    3. Re:Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      For example, they probobly DO still censor religious symbols in games (especially those rated "Everyone") because despite the so-called "tolerance" in the US, there are still a lot of people who would complain (and rightly so in some cases) about religious symbols in a video game with no warnings that they are there.

      I'm almost in disbelief that this was even said, here, on slashdot.

      What is so offensive about religious symbols that they have to be removed or people warned? I am not a Christian, I am not a Catholic, I'm more along the lines of Agnostic however I don't think there is one religious symbol out there that would offend me in any way shape or form and I have a hard time believing they would offend others. Yeah, it's a cross, big fucking deal.

    4. Re:Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Its the same people that protest about kids who prey (to whatever god their faith believes in) whilst at school.

      I dont think its that these people are "anti-religion" per se (although some might be) but that they dont want religion in places where their family will be directly exposed to it (especially without warning)
      Just like there are people who dont think other things (e.g. violence, nudity etc) should be around in places without warning.

    5. Re:Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Prey"... My, how violent school has become!

    6. Re:Apparently, Nintendo no longer does this. by hambonewilkins · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, most people have nothing against prayer in schools. You want to pray, go ahead.

      People have a problem with ORGANIZED prayer, which, if a teacher was leading it, might make those who aren't religious or of a different religion, uncomfortable.

      Anytime you think about organized prayer in schools, pretend the organized prayer is to Allah. Still comfortable with it? Or is it only comfortable when it's Christianity.

      This is not directed at the parent but at "prayer in school" people in general.

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  8. This example is cited too often: by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sony censored BMX XXX more than Nintendo did.

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    1. Re:This example is cited too often: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The best part is:

      GC BMX XXX: Fully topless available at start
      XBox: must unlock nudity
      PS2: no nudity period

      And yet Nintendo is the kiddie-company that supposedly censors things

  9. Bionic Commando by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recall the end of Bionic Commando used swearing, which is odd considering how much the game was already edited, and how strict nintedo was at that time about those things.
    I think Hitler calls the main character a "Damn fool" or something similar to that, right before killing him.

    1. Re:Bionic Commando by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe they don't play a game until the end every time they review it becausae that might take a bit long (especially without cheats)?

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  10. Bizarre censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is something that is truly bizarre. The Nintendo guidelines state that games must not "include sexually suggestive or explicit content including rape and/or nudity". It is truly bizarre that they place nudity in the same class as an abhorrent action like rape.

    1. Re:Bizarre censorship by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think they define a range with that, anything, from nudity to rape, is to much.

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  11. Kudos to Nintendo by shidarin'ou · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Am I going to be the only one to say good job to Nintendo for actually having guidelines? Sure the censorship just got.. weird sometime (grey blood- what on earth?) but for the most part, Nintendo realized their market audience, and realized what would be acceptable in the American mainstream culture. Lets go over these one by one. 1) include sexually suggestive or explicit content including rape and/or nudity; Wow, I have no problem with Nintendo censoring that stuff on my NES- I was only 7 at the time. I certainly wouldn't want my kids playing that either. At the time, THIS was Nintendo's intended audience in america- not teenagers, not 27 year old geeks. 2) contain language or depiction which specifically denigrates members of either sex; Japan has.. a lot of problems as a society- and one of them is that sexist language is usually tolerated- especially in the late 80s and early 90s before the feminist movement caught on in Japan. These references would simply not fit in with todays (or the late 80s early 90s) USA culture. 3) depict random, gratuitous, and/or excessive violence; Meh, looks like you can't kill civilians or blow up hamsters in microwaves; ok. GTA wasn't attempting to publish on the NES; those types of games were long off. 4) depict graphic illustration of death; This is a pretty annoying one- it's why Mortal Kombat was so horrible for the SNES. Of course, this was a time with no rating system; I again ask you- looking back on the time when you were 7; do you think you should have been exposed to graphic illustration of death on a daily basis from your videogames? 5) depict domestic violence and/or abuse; Again, Japanese culture VS the USA culture. If you WANT to see domestic violence and abuse, you're a sicko- go someplace else. 6) depict excessive force in a sports game beyond what is inherent in actual contact sports; uhh. sure. 7) reflect ethnic, religious, nationalistic, or sexual stereotypes of language; this includes symbols that are related to any type of racial, religious, nationalistic, or ethnic group, such as crosses, pentagrams, God, Gods (Roman mythological gods are acceptable), Satan, hell, Buddha; Again, Japan's probably the most racist first world country out there today, and they're native games tend to reflect the stereotypes they feel as a culture- Nintendo Of America knew what they were doing when they decided they should probably edit out refereces to the N word, etc. As for the Gods thing- why piss anyone off? 8) use profanity or obscenity in any form or incorporate language or gestures that could be offensive by prevailing public standards and tastes; Again, 7 year old audience. There's nothign to complain about here. There's no reason for games to use curse words in 8 bits. 9) incorporate or encourage the use of illegal drugs, smoking materials, and/or alcohol (Nintendo does not allow a beer or cigarette ad to be placed on an arena, stadium or playing field wall, or fence in a sports game) This one might seem weird at first- but do you remember the huge anti smoking advertisement dealie that was going on in the US at a time? I wouldn't want my Nintendo of america to come under fire from idiot parents who say NES Solid Snake teachers their kids to smoke- would you? 10) include subliminal political messages or overt political statements Pretty broad What I'm saying is- while there are bad exmaples of the censorship in the games we love; there's been hundreds of cases where Nintendo censorship just caused a bad game with racial/sexual whatever overtones to not be released in the USA- leading to backlash against videogames.

  12. Re:Remind me how the US is the free'est country by shidarin'ou · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Before 1994 there was no ratings board; there was no higher age catagory;

    Nintendo primarily marketed towards younger children; and since there was no way of distinguishing a game for young children at the time from a game for mature audiences..

    They don't censor anymore; know you're videogame history

  13. Censorship connotes Government Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When private individuals or groups of individuals revise materials they created or created at their behest, it is usually referred to as editing and not censorship.

    Auto manufacturers in both Japan and the USA change designs between countries to best suit each market. A concept is being muted in the transition; so is that too censorship?

    The altering of products to conform to different markets (i.e. what research has led someone to believe different markets will respond best to) is nothing new. I don't see it as particularly evil, either.

    1. Re:Censorship connotes Government Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the Haliburton-Bush adminstration, corporations are the government, so corporate "editing" is censorship.

  14. Mortal Kombat 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The fatality moves were included, but so were several non-violent finishing moves, such as the "friendship" moves in which instead of executing your opponent you could give him a present or do a little dance.

    Yes, there were 'Friendship' moves, but, from what I remember, they weren't included at Nintendo's request; they were already present in the arcade version of the game.

  15. maniac mansion by nuggetman · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's an article that discusses Nintendo's censorship for Maniac Mansion on NES

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    1. Re:maniac mansion by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Yes, and the version printed in the fourth issue of Wired is linked to in TFA.

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    2. Re:maniac mansion by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would like to point out that contrary to what the first linked article states, it is actually possible to microwave the hampster in the NES version of Maniac Mansion. They changed this in code for the second printing, which never happened as Maniac Mansion didn't sell well enough.

  16. ahem by creaturespeaker · · Score: 1
    Just wanted to point out that these censorship policies don't apply anymore. This is what Nintendo used before the ESRB was around. Nintendo does very little censoring of games anymore (except maybe 1st party games).

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    1. Re:ahem by Weeb · · Score: 0

      I just wanted to point out that everyone should RTFA.

      The last few paragraphs are dedicated to describing the changes that the ESRB ratings brought to Nintendo's practices.

  17. Mortal Kombat II by CoreyGH · · Score: 3, Informative

    The fatality moves were included, but so were several non-violent finishing moves, such as the "friendship" moves in which instead of executing your opponent you could give him a present or do a little dance.

    Anyone who's played MK2 in the arcade knows that friendships were in the arcade version; they were NOT added by Nintendo to make the game "nicer".

  18. Gadzooks! by Snowspinner · · Score: 4, Funny

    My Lord, Nintendo is censoring games? Removing sex and violence? How horrible! How awful!

    Oh, wait, what's this? A telephone message from 1994? You say they want their fucking news back?

  19. Don't blame Nintendo... by hai.uchida · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Blame the very vocal "think of the children" advocates in America.

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    1. Re:Don't blame Nintendo... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0, Troll

      Blame the very vocal "think of the children" advocates in America.

      Joe Motherfucking Lieberman.

      LK

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    2. Re:Don't blame Nintendo... by Zareste · · Score: 1

      "Think of the kids! Put them on a leash and never let them out of their cage! Ban games!"

      Yeah I hate Nazis too.

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  20. Conker's Bad Fur Day by KAMiKAZOW · · Score: 1, Informative

    Quote from the article:
    "Games such as the infamous Conker's Bad Fur Day, which include swearing, blood, and sex are now openly published under the Nintendo banner"

    Um no. Conker's Bad Fur Day was NOT published by Nintendo. The US version was published by Rare itself and the European version was published by THQ. (Check the US box and the EU box)

    1. Re:Conker's Bad Fur Day by StocDred · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yeah, but the Nintendo logo is all over box, including the famous Nintendo Seal of Quality, showing their implicit consent of the game. "published under the Nintendo banner" doesn't necessarily mean "published by Nintendo." I think the author was just making a point that Nintendo approved that game for creation and distribution on Nintendo hardware. I don't call that a factual error.

      This isn't like the days of those un-approved Tengen NES carts, where Nintendo definitely did not approve the publication of those games.

    2. Re:Conker's Bad Fur Day by ndogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you forget that Nintendo owned Rare for a while before Microsoft? Rare developed the game, but they didn't publish it.

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    3. Re:Conker's Bad Fur Day by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 1

      Apart from the fact the US boxed link has a huge "Published by Rare" on it, and the UK version has THQ logos on it? Nintendo may have owned Rare at the time, but they obviously didn't want the game to go out under their label.

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    4. Re:Conker's Bad Fur Day by KAMiKAZOW · · Score: 1

      My post is modded Troll while this one is Interesting? WTF?
      Rare was not owned by Nintendo and MS doesn't onw Rare now. Nintendo owned 49% of Rare's shares and MS owns those 49% now.
      Rare wouldn't develop games for GBA (probaly also NDS and PSP) if they were 100% owned by MS.

      The US box says "Published by Rare" and the EU box has a THQ logo on it. And if you don't believe me, check http://ign64.ign.com/articles/091/091981p1.html
      " Nintendo of Europe is pleased to confirm that Conker's Bad Fur Day will be released by THQ International across Europe for the Nintendo 64. Nintendo of Europe decided against publishing the game following a full commercial appraisal."

      The official reason was "It is the policy of Nintendo of Europe to translate our games into the native language of the region where it will be released and due to its text-heavy content, the cost of localising Conker's Bad Fur Day would not be commercially viable." and not the mature content, but my point is still valid: The article is just wrong that Nintendo published it.

    5. Re:Conker's Bad Fur Day by KAMiKAZOW · · Score: 1

      > the Nintendo logo is all over box

      I don't see a Nintendo logo on the US box (just a N64 logo).
      The EU logo has only two Nintendo logos ("Licensed by" and "Seal of Quality") and all EU games for Nintendo systems have those logos.

      > "published under the Nintendo banner" doesn't
      > necessarily mean "published by Nintendo."
      > I think the author was just making a point
      > that Nintendo approved that game for creation
      > and distribution on Nintendo hardware.
      Well... maybe, but he could just have used the word "approved", if he means just that. But how he wrote it, it seem more likely to me, he meant "Published by".

  21. Redundant article by wick3t · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These guidelines are well out of date. Nintendo no longer censors games and hasn't done so for about 10 years. These sort of articles really are unnecessary as they only reiterate the common misconception that Nintendo is for kids. This is the type of crap that is hurting Nintendo and may eventually lead them to the same destiny as Sega. If anyone censors games it is Sony. A fairly recent example of this is the game BMX XXX, in which the PS2 version was censored and the GameCube version stayed intact.

    1. Re:Redundant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in the megaman zero games for the gba, the japanese versions had blood colored stuff coming out of robots that you destroyed using your sword, in the american version, no blood is present at all.

      i'm not sure if its capcom doing it or nintendo but censorship is still going on a little bit

  22. One Word: by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

    Paragraphs.

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    WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
    1. Re:One Word: by shidarin'ou · · Score: 1

      One word, look at the post I made seconds after it, I accidently forgot to format it, and I apologize; so lay off; alright?

    2. Re:One Word: by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1

      The preview button is your friend. Oh, and "look at the post I made seconds after it, I accidently forgot to format it, and I apologize; so lay off; alright?" is a little more than one word. :-)

  23. Re:Remind me how the US is the free'est country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They do censor. Look into Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

  24. repost with line breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I going to be the only one to say good job to Nintendo for actually having guidelines? Sure the censorship just got.. weird sometime (grey blood- what on earth?) but for the most part, Nintendo realized their market audience, and realized what would be acceptable in the American mainstream culture.

    Lets go over these one by one.

    1) include sexually suggestive or explicit content including rape and/or nudity;

    Wow, I have no problem with Nintendo censoring that stuff on my NES- I was only 7 at the time. I certainly wouldn't want my kids playing that either. At the time, THIS was Nintendo's intended audience in america- not teenagers, not 27 year old geeks.

    2) contain language or depiction which specifically denigrates members of either sex;

    Japan has.. a lot of problems as a society- and one of them is that sexist language is usually tolerated- especially in the late 80s and early 90s before the feminist movement caught on in Japan. These references would simply not fit in with todays (or the late 80s early 90s) USA culture.

    3) depict random, gratuitous, and/or excessive violence;

    Meh, looks like you can't kill civilians or blow up hamsters in microwaves; ok. GTA wasn't attempting to publish on the NES; those types of games were long off.

    4) depict graphic illustration of death;

    This is a pretty annoying one- it's why Mortal Kombat was so horrible for the SNES. Of course, this was a time with no rating system; I again ask you- looking back on the time when you were 7; do you think you should have been exposed to graphic illustration of death on a daily basis from your videogames?

    5) depict domestic violence and/or abuse;

    Again, Japanese culture VS the USA culture. If you WANT to see domestic violence and abuse, you're a sicko- go someplace else.

    6) depict excessive force in a sports game beyond what is inherent in actual contact sports;

    uhh. sure.

    7) reflect ethnic, religious, nationalistic, or sexual stereotypes of language; this includes symbols that are related to any type of racial, religious, nationalistic, or ethnic group, such as crosses, pentagrams, God, Gods (Roman mythological gods are acceptable), Satan, hell, Buddha;

    Again, Japan's probably the most racist first world country out there today, and they're native games tend to reflect the stereotypes they feel as a culture- Nintendo Of America knew what they were doing when they decided they should probably edit out refereces to the N word, etc. As for the Gods thing- why piss anyone off?

    8) use profanity or obscenity in any form or incorporate language or gestures that could be offensive by prevailing public standards and tastes;

    Again, 7 year old audience. There's nothign to complain about here. There's no reason for games to use curse words in 8 bits.

    9) incorporate or encourage the use of illegal drugs, smoking materials, and/or alcohol (Nintendo does not allow a beer or cigarette ad to be placed on an arena, stadium or playing field wall, or fence in a sports game)

    This one might seem weird at first- but do you remember the huge anti smoking advertisement dealie that was going on in the US at a time? I wouldn't want my Nintendo of america to come under fire from idiot parents who say NES Solid Snake teachers their kids to smoke- would you?

    10) include subliminal political messages or overt political statements

    Pretty broad

    What I'm saying is- while there are bad exmaples of the censorship in the games we love; there's been hundreds of cases where Nintendo censorship just caused a bad game with racial/sexual whatever overtones to not be released in the USA- leading to backlash against videogames.

    1. Re:repost with line breaks by demi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Again, Japanese culture VS the USA culture. If you WANT to see domestic violence and abuse, you're a sicko- go someplace else.

      Sorry, but this statement is very silly. Stories about human beings might include domestic violence. Books, movies--why not video games? Not video games for kids, certainly, but this is what is meant by the author when he says these rules locked Nintendo into being a "kiddie" company.

      I watch The Sopranos--it doesn't make me a sicko, and neither would a video game showing domestic violence in a similar context.

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  25. Since when is Nintendo a government entity? by CMiYC · · Score: 1

    Only a government can censor something.

    "broadly, any government restrictions on speech or writing; more precisely, government restrictions on forms of expression before they are disseminated "

  26. Troll? by KAMiKAZOW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why is my post a troll?

  27. Nintendo: Protecting the world from CLEAVAGE! by randomizer9 · · Score: 1

    The boxart for Freaky Flyers was changed for the GameCube version. (see below) I don't know if the graphics in the game itself were changed, but the gameplay certainly could have used more time in the oven.
    GameCube boxart
    Xbox boxart

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  28. You are being pedantic by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    From a formal dictionary definition standpoint, I am sure you are probably correct.

    In practice, any entity in a position to exert control over published media can censor that content. Its as simple as a publisher saying "I wont publish this unless you remove that". Since most authors / game developers / musicians end up signing agreements with a publisher in advance, its possible that the publisher may elect to censor the content, and put the author in a position where they are mostly screwed.

    Hell, even Walmart is known to refuse to carry songs that have objectionable lyrics, leading to a Walmart version of the song, and the normal version.

    END COMMUNICATION

  29. The Red Cross by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The red cross still contacts game developers and threatens legal action if a red cross on a white background is used.

    BioWare was forced to remove the red cross from the "healing kits" in Neverwinter Nights in a patch, if you install the original game unpatched, they are still there.

  30. 666 TRUE STORY - O.T. by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    I was with my parents at a funeral home, scheduling services for my grandfather whom had passed away, and when the director totalled upp the costs it came out to $666 exactly! We added an extra $50 for the priest to "fix" the number and pay for some piece of mind.

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