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Understanding 64-bit PowerPC architecture

An anonymous reader writes "Each of the leading microprocessor manufacturers has announced the availability of one or more 64-bit desktop processors, but differences exist in architectural design, fabrication, support, and intended use of each processor. This article looks at the critical issues in a few of IBM's 64-bit POWER designs, covering 32-bit compatibility, power management, processor bus design, and the manufacturing process."

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  1. DUPE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a dupe.

  2. Power != PowerPC by Computerguy5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Power != PowerPC That is all.

    1. Re:Power != PowerPC by Arker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Power != PowerPC That is all.

      Hmm not exactly. Power > PowerPC. PPC is a subset of Power, a point which TFA does mention, and explain a bit.

      The PowerPC architecture that was born of this partnership is -- and always was -- a 64-bit architecture derived from the IBM POWER architecture.[...]
      Note that the performance of the PowerPC 970 family actually exceeds that of its award-winning parent, the high-end IBM POWER4 processor, in many areas. This is due to the fact that the circuit and process technology used for the POWER4 processor was designed to achieve levels of reliability necessary for the continuous availability server market -- levels that can be relaxed for the desktop and small-scale server market -- at the expense of transistor switching speed. Thus, the fabrication technology used for the PowerPC 970 was designed to eke out higher performance by trading away reliability; for these markets, the trade-off between reliability and performance is different.

      And yes, folks, it is a dupe. And a very recent one too. At least this time they got it in two different sections, first Apple, then Hardware. I'd have to say that Hardware is a better place for it, it's definately NOT just Apple that uses these chips.

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    2. Re:Power != PowerPC by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Power processors implement the PowerPC instruction set.

      What you are saying is like saying Pentium 4 != x86

      You can run OS X on POWER processors through Mac on Linux. And the PPC 970FX is a derivative of the POWER4 processor.

      Basically, the PPC 970 is a POWER 4 with a better SIMD unit.

    3. Re:Power != PowerPC by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative
      At a user-mode instruction level, the POWER3 and POWER4 CPUs implement the PowerPC ISA. At the supervisor level, this isn't true, and for the POWER and POWER2, it wasn't true at the user level, either. (POWER and POWER2 had additional registers, for one thing.)

      Technically, the POWER series implement an ISA that is user-space-instruction-compatible with PowerPC. Subtle difference, I know, but....

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  3. What's going on? by Moby+Cock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't this the same story as five stories ago? Am I missing something?

    1. Re:What's going on? by vivek7006 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No you are not missing anything. It is fucking CmdrTaco who is missing half his brain.

      Seriously almost every dupe story is invariably posted by CmdrTaco

    2. Re:What's going on? by The+Bender · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, no. You fool, do you not pay attention? The other story was in the "Apple" section, and this one's in "Developers".

      Completely different.

    3. Re:What's going on? by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      Remember, Commander Taco has decreased the dupe ration from from 20 grams per day to 30 grams.

  4. Ehh? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ``64 bit PowerPC architecture...desktop...POWER''

    but wait...I thought PowerPC and POWER are similar, but not identical, and that PowerPC was aimed at the desktop, whereas POWER is more for servers. Do I have it wrong?

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    1. Re:Ehh? by mrdisco99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes.

      However, with this iteration, IBM took one of the cores from the dual-core POWER4 chip, repackaged it as the PPC970, and sold it to Apple as the G5. So PowerPC and POWER have re-merged... sort of. Freescale is still developing their own PowerPC chips which do not fall under the POWER umbrella.

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  5. Wow by Algorithm+wrangler · · Score: 2, Funny

    That is the first time I've seen a dupe at the same time as the original is on the front page. Wow again.

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    1. Re:Wow by pclminion · · Score: 2, Funny
      Really? I've seen that many times.

      Once, I even saw a TRUPE on the front page -- three fucking stories, all the same. Does anyone remember what that story was?

  6. This has to be.. by creep · · Score: 5, Funny

    The fastest dupe I've ever seen.

    1. Re:This has to be.. by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the speed of 64-bit architecture at work, baby...

  7. wow! by eshefer · · Score: 4, Funny

    a dupe posted by CmdrTaco to a story posted by Hemos.. It feels like 1998 again :-)

    1. Re:wow! by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

      It feels like 1998 again :-)

      shut up!
      You might make Jon Katz come back.

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    2. Re:wow! by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

      Katz on dogs?

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  8. link still loadable by tomcio · · Score: 4, Funny

    i think they did that because the other link is still loadable
    unlike the watercooling article

  9. OK! by Bombcar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Admit it! Some of you send in stories that are on the front page just to see if they get duped, right?

    I'm on to you!

  10. Re:Super duper by jon787 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah but that was on april fools' day and doesn't count. They were doing that on purpose.

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  11. Nondiscrimination policy by JLavezzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot's nondiscrimination policy prevents them from excluding dupes on the basis of topic of origin.

  12. Grammar Nazi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    their means belonging to them.
    they're means "they are"
    there means not here.

  13. The explination of the difference by TyrranzzX · · Score: 3, Informative

    First, I'm talking a risc/cisc architecture like the x86.

    When you're talking about 64 addressing lines, your talking about addressing a fscksum of memory and devices. But, in addition, those lines allow for other possibilities: for example, sending 2 or 3 write commands with attached data and 2 32 bit addresses on the 64 bit bus simultaniously with an extra address decoder either on the chip or on the memory controller, or to some other device. Although, I don't know weither or not they've thrown that in as of yet. 64 bit numbers don't occur that often, afaik, but I'm not a coder so :P.

    The data bus advantage, however, is bigger. The x86 architecture has a command decoder, whereas you can send several commands in a single clock. With 32 more bytes, you get twice as many commands in a clock. Additionally, you can address more commands (but seriously, the first x86 had 38 commands, and that has increased by 10x in the past few years).

    Aside from that, you're throwing on more features into the processor. But, that's been here in the past 20 years of processor developement anyway. The article tends to be unclear on this. You're essentially expanding the bus to feed more buffers/pipelines.

  14. Daja vu? Or is it just me? by cyberwinds · · Score: 5, Funny

    I saw the same black cat walking by a moment ago.

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  15. Trupe? by douglips · · Score: 2, Funny

    The correct word is TRIPE.

  16. double exposure by Blitzenn · · Score: 5, Funny

    no. It's not a dupe, it's the 64 bit bus sending the same 32 bit information, doubled up along the bus. It's just looks like it's posted twice. It's much more efficient this way. Trust us!

    no. It's not a dupe, it's the 64 bit bus sending the same 32 bit information, doubled up along the bus. It's just looks like it's posted twice. It's much more efficient this way. Trust us!

  17. dupe detector? by zygote · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the abscence of institutional memory or /. editors sitting in the same room :-) , could Slashcode be tweaked to scan for URLs that are identical in stories and flag them somehow?

    Some Perl script or such that looks at the post about to hit the front page, then looks at a say the last three or four posts that were on the front page. If it finds an identical or closely identical link, it then sends an email of the body of the two posts to the editor.

    I don't think it would get the server's load up too much.

    (much sarcasm, minus 1, bad dog.)

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  18. Jesus hopping cabbage. by b1scuit · · Score: 3, Funny
    Jesus Hopping Cabbage. Does anyone else see the irony concerning twenty nearly identical posts saying "this is a dupe! What has slashdot become!"?

    Anyone?