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Hypo-Allergenic Cats Now Available for Pre-Order

humuhumunukunukuapu' writes "Allerca Inc is now taking reservations for genetically engineered hypo-allergenic cats, which it calls 'lifestyle pets'... and apparently they are just the beginning... Read the press release here... and you can take delivery of a cuddy non-sinus bothering bundle of joy for just $3500. 'The hypoallergenic cats produced by ALLERCA will allow consumers to enjoy the love and companionship of a pet without the cost, inconvenience, risk, and limited effectiveness of current allergy treatments. Clients will take delivery of the first ALLERCA kittens in 2007. The hypoallergenic cat is the first of a planned series of lifestyle pets that ALLERCA will develop over the next few years.' Meow!"

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  1. Yeah, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who would want to own a cat?

    Sincerely,
    A Dog Person

    1. Re:Yeah, but... by Nos. · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're obviously not a cat person. Every cat person knows that nobody owns a cat. The cat will accept your presence in their home, provided you clean their litter box, provide food and water, and attention when requested

    2. Re:Yeah, but... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 4, Funny

      For $6,500 I'll sell you a cat with the exact genome of a dog. Everyone wins! Your girlfriend gets to have a cat. You enjoy the animal because it acts and looks like a dog. And I get enough money to pay for October's bandwidth.

    3. Re:Yeah, but... by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've heard this expressed as "dogs have owners; cats have staff"

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    4. Re:Yeah, but... by dheltzel · · Score: 4, Funny
      Maybe after they have the allergy thing covered, they can genetically engineer a better disposition for the cats.

      Imagine a Siamese with a pleasant disposition! Maybe they could splice in some dog genes to get a cat that wags it's tail and plays fetch.

      While they are at it, they might as well add that "glow in the dark" gene they put in fish. That would give the little critters they hunt at night a fighting chance. It would be really cool at Halloween too, I'd like a black cat that flouresces red or purple.

    5. Re:Yeah, but... by mikael · · Score: 3, Funny

      While they are at it, they might as well add that "glow in the dark" gene they put in fish.

      An excellent idea. Trying to find my way across our basement in order to reset the cutout switch during a thunderstorm is like trying to walk across a minefield of highly mobile furry landmines. Put a foot on the wrong place and there is a sudden load noise followed by a sharp pain in your leg.

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    6. Re:Yeah, but... by Brummund · · Score: 3, Funny
      I think you might enjoy The War Between alt.tasteless and rec.pets.cats

      Quote:

      Someone - no one remembers who - suggested invading another Usenet group. A Usenet panty raid! The suggestion was well received by other a.t.'ers. But whom to raid? After much discussion, a likely target emerged:

      Rec.pets.cats.

      Rec.pets.cats, as you can tell from the name, is a Usenet group for serious cat lovers. It's the kind of place where people like to discuss cat health problems and adorable things their kitties did. If you were able to put all of humanity on a giant spectrum, cat lovers would undoubtedly occupy the frequency opposite people who are alternatively tasteless.
      :-)
    7. Re:Yeah, but... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Informative

      ummm, I was born via a c-section and was not breastfed (strikes 1 and 2 against developing a good immune system) and I have absolutely 0 allergies (pets or food) and have never had any sort of throat/lung problems (knock on wood), there goes the c-section theory.

      BTW, I am originally from Europe, and it seems allergies are WAY more common here in North America (I don't think I've ever *met* a person allergic to something before moving here, where I'd say 20-30% of the people I know have an allergy of some kind, most of the time to cats but often to peanuts/eggs).

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    8. Re:Yeah, but... by AndyChrist · · Score: 3, Funny

      You don't have to let a cat be your boss. That only happens if you're a pussy. Just feed it and be nice to it (without neccesarily taking any shit from it) and it will love you just the same.

      You don't have to take orders from it, but you can't expect it to take orders from you.

      That said, my dad trained a cat to attack people, once. Problem was, it would attack absolutely EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME. It disappeared one day. Probably taken by eagles. (Sitka is that kind of place...cats don't do very well there.)

    9. Re:Yeah, but... by feepness · · Score: 4, Funny

      BTW, I am originally from Europe, and it seems allergies are WAY more common here in North America...

      Ah! Another data point correlating cleanliness with allergies!!

    10. Re:Yeah, but... by johnlcallaway · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cats can be trained, they require a different stimulus than dopey dogs. Dogs are pack animals, and are satisifed with your affection as long as they think you are in charge. Cats want something for their efforts, like food or scratching. It took me less than an hour to train my cat to come when called for a treat, and I trained him to jump into my lap when I whistle to get scratched. It doesn't work all the time, but often enough that a few of my friends that have cats have also been able to train theirs.

      You may think that this training is a waste or just for entertainment (it is pretty funny), but it comes in handy. One day my fiancee saw a black cat on the garage roof and thought that somehow my cat had gotten out. She got all panicky and searched the apartment, then ran outside. I just sat at the dining room table and yelled 'Here Bear, Here Bear', and he came walking from the bedroom with that 'where is my treat' look.

      She got panicky because here in Phoenix cats are called 'coyote treats'.

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    11. Re:Yeah, but... by iso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've heard this before, and chuckled. But after hearing co-workers say things like "nah, I can't go out for drinks: I need to go home and let the dog out," and watching people walk behind a dog and pick up its shit off the ground, I wonder sometimes, which animal really has the staff?

    12. Re:Yeah, but... by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't you know? The cat trained YOU!

      (Cue Soviet Russia jokes...)

    13. Re:Yeah, but... by Ice+Tiger · · Score: 3, Funny

      It easy and safe to clean a cat in the shower provided you have:

      A glass helmet.
      1/4" thick steel vest.
      Rhino hide gloves.

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  2. Finally, a dog I can love by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Funny
    The hypoallergenic cat is the first of a planned series of lifestyle pets that ALLERCA will develop over the next few years
    My sincere hope is, Allerca will someday engineer a Yorkie that won't constantly pee on my carpet. Now that would be marketable. Cute yes... but Yorkies are damn monster sprinklers.

    </wishfulthinking>
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  3. Hyper-Allergenic by fembots · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wait until one mistake that turns these cute little kittens into Hyper-Allergenic.

    On a more serious note though, I think everybody has her/his ideal world in mind, and this GE is offering the opportunity to achieve that.

    However, like the old saying "One person's meat is another person's poison", I believe there is a reason for such allergy symptoms (maybe telling your body to get away from that bleeming cat?), and without this warning, I wonder if the still-allergic-to-cat person will suffer from far worse sickness because one of the cat allergens wasn't identified and removed?

    1. Re:Hyper-Allergenic by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, like the old saying "One person's meat is another person's poison", I believe there is a reason for such allergy symptoms (maybe telling your body to get away from that bleeming cat?), and without this warning, I wonder if the still-allergic-to-cat person will suffer from far worse sickness because one of the cat allergens wasn't identified and removed?

      An allergy, by definition, is an inappropriate immune reaction to a harmless substance. The only thing an allergic reaction is telling you is that your immune system screwed up. Again.

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    2. Re:Hyper-Allergenic by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait until one mistake that turns these cute little kittens into Hyper-Allergenic.

      Don't worry, I hear as long as you don't feed them after midnight, everything will be fine.

    3. Re:Hyper-Allergenic by vivin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't put water on them either. Now you know why cats don't like water. Hmmm?? Hmmm??

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    4. Re:Hyper-Allergenic by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong. The immune system is a very powerful system in our bodies that is simply designed to identify nasty pathogens in our body, and kill them with extreme prejudice. Now an allergy is simply an inappropriate reaction by the immune system something that is present in the environment but is not actually a risk to us, like pollen and food. Basically through some process that is not well understood the immune system was supposed to learn that these things are not a threat and should be ignored, except they often are not. Even more extreme example of the immune system making a complete balls up is autoimmune diseases like type 1 diabetes and ms, where the immune system gets so wayward it actually attacks the body itself and kills off some important component, for example the cells that make insulin.

  4. well by syrinx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new genetically-engineered cat overlords.

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  5. $3500... by Big+Mark · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and you've still got to housetrain the bastard.

    1. Re:$3500... by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Funny

      $3500 for a cute kitten.

      $250 but for dress shoes.

      Stepping in a pile of cat hairball vomit. Priceless.

  6. Now... by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only they'd genetically engineer fashion models to like nerds... Overweight fetishes are a plus.

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  7. And what happens... by advocate_one · · Score: 5, Interesting

    when owners start breeding from them and selling on the kittens??? Will there be a strict EULA that forbids the owner from breeding and that they must have them neutered at the first available opportunity???

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    1. Re:And what happens... by Akai · · Score: 4, Informative

      One word for you: Monsanto

      They prosecute people who illegally grow their GE corn/etc.

      I'm sure the same applies.

      Hell, last time I bought a rose bush for my lady it had a warning on it that it was illegal to propigate without permissions.

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    2. Re:And what happens... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      For $3700, I would hope that they'd come pre-neutered.

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    3. Re:And what happens... by khendron · · Score: 4, Informative

      Probably. You buy any pure bred cat nowaday you have to sign an agreement that you will have the cat neutered/spayed at the earliest opportunity.

      Pure bred cat breeders don't want you to breed their cats any more than these guys do.

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  8. Sharks... by Psiren · · Score: 4, Funny

    Call me back when they have lasers on sharks. Then I'll be impressed...

  9. Heh... by Burgundy+Advocate · · Score: 3, Funny

    without the cost

    RESTRICTIONS: 'Without cost' offer excludes $3,500 startup fee, prices and participation may vary.

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  10. This cat is also Zero-G approved! by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:This cat is also Zero-G approved! by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, I think this borders on cruelty, what with the guy repeatedly throwing the cat against the wall. Or was I the only one who noticed how fat the cat's tail looked?

  11. $3500 for a cat... by Thunderstruck · · Score: 5, Funny

    We got a cat, it was free... we named it 1.

    We did this for two reasons. First, if it has a number, we're less attached to it when the inevitable happens. Second, my wife was allergic to cats but we weren't sure how badly.

    If we had spent $3500 on a cat, we're then somehow obligated to spend $4000 on feline coronary bypass surgery, $8000 on a feline tummy-tuck, and $3000 on feline counseling services.... Where does this end?

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  12. Prior Art by Racter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cornish Rex
    Devon Rex
    Siberian
    Sphynx

    ...are all "hypo-allergenic" breeds (don't produce dander).

    1. Re:Prior Art by Aidtopia · · Score: 4, Informative
      ...are all "hypo-allergenic" breeds (don't produce dander).

      It's not all about dander. Many of us have no problem with the dander but are allergic to the saliva, which--due to their grooming habits--is all over their fur. My doc says people who don't seem to be allergic to dogs but are allergic to cats are almost certainly reacting to the allergen in the saliva rather than the dander or the fur.

  13. A bit pricey.. by tji · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the site:

    Priced at $3,500, the cost of an ALLERCA kitten is similar or less than some of the more exotic cat breeds available today.

    Ummhh.. yeah.. But, it's a bit more than the "free kittens" we all see signs for throughout our home towns.

  14. Im sick of... by TEMM · · Score: 5, Funny

    corporations genetically engineering my favorite foods.

  15. does it come with an MP3 player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For $3500, kitty better have at least 20GB of storage in her butt.

  16. Also good for... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...dogs with dietary allergies.

    Seriously, if you are that hard up for companionship, $3500 will pay for some nice hookers.

  17. Re:Hypoallermagenic... by Zooka · · Score: 3, Informative

    " I can make my cat like that with a shaver..."

    It's not really the animals hair/fur that is the most significant allergen, but rather their *dander*. (Dander is flakes of dead skin). Their saliva and urine can also cause an allergic reaction.
    http://www.theallergyreliefcenter.com/animal_aller gy.htm

  18. But not allergen-free by Autumnmist · · Score: 4, Informative

    From their site:
    A glycoprotein, Fel d 1, secreted by the sebaceous glands, is the major cat allergen. This allergen is found in the fur, pelt, saliva, serum, urine, mucous, salivary glands, and hair roots of the cat.

    Allerca cats will only lack one of the potential cat allergens... potentially deadly for people allergic to other proteins secreted by the cats. In addition, the gene silencing technique (I assume they refer to RNAi perhaps using siRNAs) cannot be guaranteed 100% effective--all it takes is one mutation.... More info about RNAi here and here.

    However, as someone with moderately severe cat allergies, this is definitely a start.

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  19. They Don't EXIST, folks! by fanatic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Clients will take delivery of the first ALLERCA kittens in 2007.

    From the first hit on Google searching for cat gestation:

    "Cats generally have pregnancies lasting from 58 to 65 days".

    So the fact that the first one won't "ship" until 2007 is a bad sign. Anybody sending these folks money now, *please* contact me for a great deal on a bridge.

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    1. Re:They Don't EXIST, folks! by _Swank · · Score: 3, Informative

      if you look at the crap you have to agree to it says that the $250.00 deposit is non-refundable whether or not they ever produce or deliver a cat. with that kind of agreement i wouldn't reserve one until i saw one with my own eyes.

  20. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by MagicDude · · Score: 4, Funny

    Homer - "I know, I'll breed the pets together. Soon, I will have a miracle hybrid with the loyalty of a cat and the cleanliness of a dog."

  21. Screw hypoallergenic... by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Totally useless.

    How about a cat that doesn't shed, a cat that sleeps AT NIGHT instead of during the day, a cat that doesn't s**t behind the couch when you piss it off, a cat that is hairball resistant, a cat that doesn't care if the bowl isn't exactly full, a cat that can actually decide if it wants to be inside or outside (as opposed to wanting both simultaneously), a cat that views keyboards as natural preditors, a cat that will not release any "presents" in the house until said "gift" is completely DEAD, a cat that will actually kill said "gifts" that get into your house by other means, a cat that'll bring home USEFUL things instead of the typical birds, rabbits, mice, frogs... a new lawnmower would be nice once in awhile, or maybe some PC hardware - but no, it's always half-dead stuff.

    THAT would be a cat worth a couple grand.

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    1. Re:Screw hypoallergenic... by darrylo · · Score: 3, Funny
      ... a cat that can actually decide if it wants to be inside or outside (as opposed to wanting both simultaneously) ...

      How do you think the Heisenberg Uncertainty Priciple was developed???

    2. Re:Screw hypoallergenic... by back_pages · · Score: 3, Interesting
      My cat fits your ideal cat except for bringing you useful gifts - mine never brings anything.

      I treated him like a dog right from the beginning and that's how he acts. He'll even follow me around the neighborhood if he isn't stalking something. He doesn't jerk me around because he knows I'll win - if he gets picky about his food, it'll look a lot tastier tomorrow. If he can't decide whether or not to come in, it's easier to decide 4 hours from now. If I piss him off, he wakes me up at 5am rather than make a mess, because he ends up wearing the mess and if he doesn't clean himself up, he takes a shower with shampoo.

      I really don't understand why people baby their cats. I'm far from an expert on pets but I think a lot of a cat's personality is how they're socialized when young. Mine is pretty much the ideal cat because, I think, I made it really clear that I wasn't going to put up with the typical cat personality crap.

      Worth a couple grand? I dunno - mine cost me $5 at the local animal shelter. Hell, maybe he just came to grips with his own tender mortality at a young age and appreciates how I feed him and play with him.

  22. Don't think so by signe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, I'm not buying it. Digging back, we find that Allerca claims to be owned by Geneticas. If we check out the other "companies" under that umbrella, we'll find Genequus, who claim to do horse cell banking and cloning. Yes, that's right. They'll sell you a clone of your horse for $100k. Discounts for 10 or more.

    Another one, LifeARK, claims to be doing cell banking for endangered animals. They want donations, and they accept them through PayPal. Don't think so. A large company that was doing such work wouldn't deal with PayPal's onerous agreement and high fees. Especially not if their other divisions were dealing with large sums of money already.

    ForeverPet does cell banking for companion pets. But they can't yet clone them. But another division can clone horses? Yeah, right.

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  23. "Hypoallergenic" is a myth by sanermind · · Score: 5, Informative

    The term 'hypoallergenic' is not meaningful in any scientific sense whatsoever.

    The FDA states that "There are no federal standards or definitions that govern the use of the term 'hypoallergenic'." Back in 1973, they tried to establish definitions for the use of the term hypoallergenic, but the regulation was overturned in court.

    A little bit of googling returns this

    It's a nonsense marketing claim, with no scientific standard or basis. People can be allergic to anything... even themselves.

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  24. yeah but by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
    those cats might be free-as-in-beer, but they are not free-as-in-speech. Call me when there's an open source cat.

    Of course, the only truly free cat will be free-as-in-willy....

  25. Re:How about... by gaijin99 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Allergies have a direct relationship with the level of pollutants in the area the person grew up in. As, not coincidentally, do cancer rates.

    Note that all the research, work, effort, and awareness programs directed at both cancer and allergies focus on drugs to control the conditions rather than prevention of the condition. The reason for this becomes apparent when you note that the majority of the funding for the cancer and allergy research comes from polluters.

    The obvious step would be to reduce pollution, but somehow that doesn't get mentioned in any cancer or allergy literature. I wonder why...

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  26. lol! by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    funny but I take you haven't met my mom, who, although not a cleaningless freak, did keep a spotless house and encouraged me to learn proper hygiene from an early age :-)

    The more I think about this the more I wonder if the prevalence of carpeting as a flooring material here in North America is to blame for the much higher incidence of allergies, as where I'm from pretty much everybody has marble/tiles/cotto/hardwood floors and basically nobody has carpet.

    Also since it's not customary at all to have visitors remove their shoes, people tend to wash their floors at least daily, where people here probably wash their carpets once a year (if that much).

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  27. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    'Fraid not. Comparing the amount of the population in a city with relatively low pollution like, say, Stockholm (Sweden), with a relatively dirty one, say, Krakow (Poland), you'd expect the number of allergies to be far higher in the more polluted city. This turns out not true. Allergies are much more common in the modern "Western world" than in, for instance, the old "East block". And this even though there is a much higher percentage of coal used in heating homes, industry pollution levels are higher, and cars are generally older and typically generate worse exhaust. Just stating pollution as a factor doesn't make sense.

    What is reasonably clear from a research perspective, however, is that growing up in a spotlessly clean environment makes you MORE susceptible to allergies. It seems better to be subjected to (a reasonable amount of) "filth" than to none at all. Unless, of course, you DO develop an allergy - in which case spotlessness is more or less your only option.

    What I would personally like to see, is more research focused on this simple fact - what factors are different between the "richer" and the "poorer" societies - is it the chemicals we use to clean our homes? Or could there be some correlation with the kind of food we tend to consume?

    I just think there's a lot we don't know here...

  28. Re:How about... by bheer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Fraid not. Comparing the amount of the population in a city with relatively low pollution like, say, Stockholm (Sweden), with a relatively dirty one, say, Krakow (Poland), you'd expect the number of allergies to be far higher in the more polluted city. This turns out not true. Allergies are much more common in the modern "Western world" than in, for instance, the old "East block".

    Good point. Another interesting datapoint is the much lower rate of allergies in crowded, dirty Asian cities (these cities have decent healthcare, so it's not like allergies are underreported). Also, Asians (at least South Asians) seem to have much lower rates of nut allergies, hayfever allergies, etc.

    I just think there's a lot we don't know here...

    I'd love to see some research on the correlation between 'cleaner societies' and immune systems development.

  29. Re:Needed next: a NO-STINK FERRET! by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tell me about it. When I had a couple, I was still here in California :).

    I must have told about a dozen different cops in San Francisco that Felix the little albino fert was a rat :). Cops don't seem to study much biology...

    I'd have fun with everybody else though.

    One time I'm standing at a streetcorner waiting for the light to change, Felix poking his nose out of my jacket, and this guy next to me says "cool rat!".

    "Yeah, he's a nice rat, but I got him from some kids that abused him. It was horrible."

    "Really?"

    "Yeah, they built a rack in their basement and stretched him!"

    "What? No, nobody stretched your rat!"

    "Yup - see, check it out!" as I pull his foot-plus-long skinny bod out inch by inch as the dude completely freaked out...:)

  30. Re:How about... by CreatureComfort · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I once read a study (my bookmarked link seems to be dead) that reviewed most of the studies on cancer preventative diets. You know the fish oil/olive oil/red wine/etc. reports. The researchers pointed out that all of the reasons each of these foods had been studied was because they were primary dietary components of groups of people with low cancer rates, compared to American society. When they started correlating factors the big commonality they found was that most of these societies used an extremely low amount of preservatives in their diet, with almost no artificial preservatives consumed at all. Through the data gathered by the other studies, and logical explanation of how preservatives work and the effect they probably have when induced into a living organism, they were able to convincingly postulate that what may be driving the high incidents of cancer in the western world, particularly the U.S., could be the massive amounts of preservatives the typical "modern world" person consumes over their lifetime.

    At the time this was published there was quite a bit of talk about it on some of the research biology mailing lists. One of the students working for the main researchers posted some comments that the grant request to study the possible harmful effects of artificial preservatives had been turned down by their university. One of the reasons given was that the ability to preserve food for long periods was essential to modern food distribution methods, and if preservatives ended up having to be banned or heavily regulated as cancer causing agents it could mean mass starvation and worse health problems from food spoilage. To date I still have not seen any large scale or in depth studies on the cancer causing potential of artificial preservatives when taken in large quantities over a period of years.

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