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Kerry's Record On Electronic And Civil Rights
An anonymous reader writes "John Kerry lambastes John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act, positioning himself as a crusader for civil liberties. The question is, how much substance is there to his rhetoric? This article was an eye-opener to me, in evaluating just that. Slashdotters tending to be passionate about the Patriot Act, encryption, and electronic monitoring - subjects this article tackles with respect to Kerry."
However, since Shrub certainly didn't do it while he had 4 years to do it, we can be sure he won't if he wins four more wars.
For John Kerry, the specter of Attorney General John Ashcroft trashing Americans' civil liberties has been a useful campaign prop. In campaign stops, Kerry has promised to "end the era of John Ashcroft and renew our faith in the Constitution." In a Kerry administration, he promised the liberal group MoveOn last year, "there will be no John Ashcroft trampling on the Bill of Rights." In his 2004 campaign book, A Call to Service, Kerry accuses Ashcroft and the Bush administration of "relying far too much on extraordinary police powers."
In contrast, Kerry positions himself as a civil libertarian -- or at least as a proponent of a reasonable balance between liberty and security. "If we are to stand as the world's role model for freedom, we need to remain vigilant about our own civil liberties," Kerry writes in A Call to Service. He calls for "rededicating ourselves to protecting civil liberties."
Kerry, like every other senator in the chamber except Russell Feingold (D-Wis.), voted for the USA PATRIOT Act in the wake of 9/11. Now he is co-sponsoring the SAFE Act, a bipartisan measure that restricts some of the powers that the PATRIOT Act granted the government. Furthermore, he is critical of the package of proposals from Ashcroft's Department of Justice (DOJ) that has been dubbed Patriot II. Citing his experience as a prosecutor -- he was an assistant district attorney in suburban Boston in the '70s -- Kerry writes, "I know there's a big difference between giving the government the resources and commonsense leeway it needs to track a tough and devious foe and giving in to the temptation of taking shortcuts that will sacrifice liberties cheaply without significantly enhancing the effectiveness of law enforcement. Patriot II threatens to cross that line -- and to a serious degree."
Sacrificing Personal Privacy
This isn't the first time Kerry and Ashcroft have been at odds over civil liberties. In the 1990s, government proposals to restrict encryption inspired a national debate. Then as now, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and electronic privacy groups locked horns with the DOJ and law enforcement agencies. Then as now, Kerry and Ashcroft were on opposite sides.
But there was a noteworthy difference in those days. Then it was Sen. John Ashcroft (R-Mo.) who argued alongside the ACLU in favor of the individual's right to encrypt messages and export encryption software. Ashcroft "was kind of the go-to guy for all of us on the Republican side of the Senate," recalls David Sobel, general counsel of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
And in what now seems like a bizarre parallel universe, it was John Kerry who was on the side of the FBI, the National Security Agency (NSA), and the DOJ. Ashcroft's predecessor at the Justice Department, Janet Reno, wanted to force companies to create a "clipper chip" for the government -- a chip that could "unlock" the encryption codes individuals use to keep their messages private. When that wouldn't fly in Congress, the DOJ pushed for a "key escrow" system in which a third-party agency would have a "backdoor" key to read encrypted messages.
In the meantime, the Clinton administration classified virtually all encryption devices as "munitions" that were banned from export, putting American business at a disadvantage. In 1997 Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.) pushed the Secure Public Networks Act through his committee. This bill would have codified the administration's export ban and started a key escrow system. One of his original co-sponsors was his fellow Vietnam vet and good friend from across the aisle, John Kerry.
Proponents such as McCain and Kerry claimed that law enforcement could not get the key from any third-party agency without a court order. Critics responded that there were loopholes in the law, that it opened the door to abuses, and that it punished a technology rather than wrongdoers who used that technology. Some opponents argued that the idea was equivalent to giving the g
Kerry's record in this regard is awful. But so is Bush's. So, I guess that leaves us with Badnarik who has all rhetoric and no record.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
If you're the kind of person who's horrified by the Gang Of Bush's encroachments on civil liberties, then you're likely to be someone who's also concerned about an entire constellation of related issues.
In that case, you're also likely to be someone for whom there's no doubt that Kerry will be at least a marginal improvement.
Because Kerry has always been anti-privacy when it comes to encryption and the like.
are stupid. Both parties are filled with a bunch of worthless liars. The only good one I can think of off the top of my head is Ron Paul ("Dr. No").
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
There's not nearly enough information there to have a suitable knee-jerk reaction. What am I supposed to do now, RTFA?
Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
You said Kerry would be marginally better. I don't believe that's the case.
Our intelligent designer has never created an animal that we couldn't improve by strapping a bomb to it.
There should really be a mod option for "I really shouldn't be laughing", or "its funny cause I can see it happening"
Brain
What are we going to do tonight Brain?
I guess this article has been put in the "Your Rights Online" to be pushed in the face of the ppl who let politics out of their /. homepage ...
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And not a moment too soon will Kerry take office and end this outrage. Why, I can't even go to my mailbox anymore without seeing a gang of jack-booted thugs in brown shirts arresting some poor hippie while Ashcroft cackles happily away.
BTW, Chicken Little called. Something about the sky.
Right to bear arms is a fundamental Civil Right in the US. Kerry is awful in this department.
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I'm voting for Badnarik, and we need a strong third party to help create a new, healthier political system without these two bought and paid for parties that "represent"
However, I want to be free from Mobocracy, and believe in a constitutional republic with armed civilians and with NONE of the rights being collective, all being individual.
The right to speak freely, pursue religion, marry a dog or same sex, freedom from illegal warrants and searches (like the Patriot Act provides) is married to the right to bear arms. I refuse to allow people who champion certain civil rights portray themselves and activists when the support communist/fascist notion of a Totalitarian state, the collective right - in most cases would be totalitarians disguise their fear of an armed public by saying the Framers intended the right to bear as collective, thoroughly disproved in the Federalist Papers and by many quotes from the framers and reflected in the Framer's respective state constitutions.
When thinking of the words of Rand and Kozinski, why is it that the only people who truly appreciate America escaped from Totalitarian communist regimes?
To quote Alex Kozinski - he said history would be vastly different had American slaves or Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto been able to arm themselves.
"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for re-election and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees," wrote Judge Kozinski, a native of Romania. "However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once," he wrote.
And to those fools who speak of any right being collective; here is Ayn Rand to the rescue: "If you accept the Totalitarian idea, if the words "State" or "Collective" are sacred to you, but the word "Individual" is not -- stop right here. You don't have to read further. What we have to say is not for you -- and you are not for us. Let's part here -- but be honest, admit that you are a Totalitarian and go join the Communist Party or the German-American Bund, because they are the logical end of the road you have chosen, and you will end up with one or the other, whether you know it now or not.
-- That each man has inalienable rights which cannot be taken from him for any cause whatsoever. These rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
-- That the right of life means that man cannot be deprived of his life for the convenience of any number of other men.
-- That the right of liberty means freedom of individual decision, individual choice, individual judgment and individual initiative; it means also the right to disagree with others.
-- That the right to the pursuit of happiness means man's freedom to choose what constitutes his own private, personal happiness and to work for its achievement; that such a pursuit is neither evil nor reprehensible, but honorable and good; and that a man's happiness is not to be prescribed to him by any other man nor by any number of other men.
-- That these rights have no meaning unless they are the unconditional, personal, private possession of each man, granted to him by the fact of his birth, held by him independently of all other men, and limited only by the exercise of the same rights by other men.
-- That the only just, moral and beneficent form of society is a society based upon the recognition of these inalienable individual rights.
-- That the State exists for Man, and no Man for the State.
-- That the greatest good for all men can be achieved only through the voluntary cooperation of free individuals for mutual benefit, and not through a compulsory sacrifice of all for all.
-- Th
Legalize the constitution. Think for yourself question authority.
Civil liberties? The best way to protect civil liberties is to have law enforcement use the best technology and tools, including the Patriot act, to enforce the law with the fewest number of police. Bush has been criticized for not having enough police, Kerry is both for the Patriot act and for hiring more police. Computers, don't infringe civil liberties, people do. So why are libertarians not in favor of using the Patriot act and other technology to cut both the budget and the size of the police force?
Smaller government? Bush has limited the growth of regulation and is for much less spending than Kerry. His tax cut is actually too small according to the Economics Nobel Prize winner.
War? The world is now more peaceful than ever. Coverage of war and bloodshed on the news may be at an recent high but the actual number of conflicts and amount of bloodshed has declined to an all time low under Bush. Bloodshed in Iraq is less than under Saddam. The long war in Afghanistan is over, and the Administration has negotiated a cease-fire in southern Sudan, ending a civil war that killed over two million people, and the Administration has kept Darfur from turning into a Rwanda. Bloodshed has also decreased in Palestine, Kashmir, and Africa.
"Partly as a result of [Clinton's], but also in part due to the strong economy, welfare use plummeted, work rose dramatically among single parents, and poverty was reduced.". Republicans and Democrats are not equal. Find a new riff.
Bush is for it, he gets my vote.
I have personally been involved in developing IT services for Foreign Companies, Foreign Governments, and International Organizations. Anyone who is against free trade in services loses my vote. And for the economy as a whole, service exports (insourcing) are increasing much faster than service imports (outsourcing).
This post is completely off topic, why is it modded up
Kerry is not the perfect, ideal candidate of libertarians. Who'd have thunk it?
Next thing you know, some nutcase will be claiming that plurality voting requires voters to make compromises. Compromise is for weenies.
Sure, it's impractical and probably contrary to your interests in practical terms, but the symbolic gesture will buoy you with a smug sense of moral superiority for years: I say, cast your ballot for the candidate who you agree with completely on everything.
That's why I'm casting a write-in vote for myself.
I'm not entirely sure but I think if any candidate manages to get 3% of the popular vote he'll receive some federal funding for the next campaign.
... and five, ten years down the road, they win!
And then what?
Maybe if you're really, really, lucky, your candidate will gain popular support
A third party president! How exciting!
And then what?
The two major parties are going to start nipping at the heels of your platform, reorganizing their own positions to eat into your party's base. You'll have to compromise, build coalitions, to remain in power. Eventually, the political coalition-building will tip to the point where one of the three parties is no longer viable.
And, voila, after all your hard work, after all those votes that sacrificed immediate advantage for the long-term hopes, you're right back where you started: two parties, both of them sprawling coalitions that don't really please anybody all that much, but please about half the population juuuust enough.
Even if you win, you lose.
This already happened once. Back in the 1850s, the Democrats and the Whigs where the two major parties. A third party came along, got their candidate elected, chaos ensued, and within five years, the Whigs were defunct, with the political boundaries redrawn, but only two parties left. That third party was the Republicans.
Yes, ponder that: the Republicans were once a third party.
The problem is, you can't escape Duverger's law: as long as we have plurality votes, we'll only have two viable parties, except in times of extreme political chaos.
OMG, wish I had some points to spend on you..... talk about FUD.
This is like saying that Linux will never achieve the Desktop...
That Linus will be thrown in jail for conspiracy
That Apple Pie will be banned
That baseball will be declared to be a communist sport...
point made?
Yes, basically you are an imbecile and incompetent to boot...
Nothing you describe will come to pass.. because we have checks and balances... if not a reasonable president....
FUD, pure and simple... not interesting at all.....
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
So after watching Ashcroft abuse the DMCA, Kerry pushed USA-PATRIOT, then was surprised that Ashcroft abuses it?
This is the guy criticizing Bush for lack of foresight?
Ed Craig "Who cares what you think?" George W. Bush, 4th of July 2001
<Comical Ali> I now inform you that there are no civil liberties issues here and your civil rights are completely unaffected by our legislation. </Comical Ali>
The sad thing is, when we heard this sort of spin during the Iraq invasion, you couldn't help but be amused, in a disturbed kind of way. When we hear it from a western world leader, far too many people just don't think about it and lap it up. Some of the mods of, and other replies to, your post are scary.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Dont hold your breath for much to change with the DMCA. This was a radical change to copyright laws that have existed for an eon, and this was passed in the Senate on a VOICE VOTE. Those gutless Republicans and Democrats didnt even have the honor to show their constituents what their voting record on this issue was. If they cannot even fess up to it, how can you expect it to change in ANY administration? Money buys everybody, on both sides of the aisle.
So, let's compare the number of off-shored jobs to the total number of jobs in the US (including burger flippers and such).
Why, it will take 7,000 years to replace all of those jobs at the current rate of off-shoring.
Nevermind that we're not talking about off-shoring burger flipping, just manufacturing and software and such. You know, the jobs that pay better than burger flipping and coffee-serving.
Actually, education does not help.
As long as the people willing to do the job for less money have the education sufficient to do that job, you having more education will not get that job for you.
I'd start by killing any "free trade" with any country that cannot meet or exceed our levels of worker and environmental protections (they move up, we don't move down). It isn't equal if they don't have the same protections. Then it is just a race to find the people with the fewest protections so they can be exploited.
The presidency is not a horse race. The winner is not a foregone conclusion with voters "placing bets". Your vote decides the outcome. If you and your friends and their friends vote for Badnarik, then he will win, just as assuredly as Kerry would win if you vote for him or Bush if you vote for him. If you don't vote for what you believe, you'll never get what you want. It's not as if Bush/Kerry is going to pay more attention to what you say since you voted for him - he'll just be laughing all the way to the White House.
PS You want Condorcet, not IRV.
Constitutionally Correct
Dr. Paul is only one I know of that's consistently pro-America and pro-liberty. There are a few others that are good on their pet issues. Tancredo on immigration reform, for instance.
Constitutionally Correct
Those that have not woken up yet are not going to wake up.
Until it is them being abused, most people are more then happy to accept the government's claim that the people it is abusing are "bad" people who want to hurt the "good" people in this country.
It all comes down to emotion. Once you can get someone to react emotionally, they tend to turn off the logical portion of their brain. Find out what scares people and you can control them.
That's why Bush and Co are running those wolf ads in the swing states. The US citizens aren't getting any smarter but the political parties are getting smarter about packaging their candidates.
Repeat after me, too: "The President is not in the Judicial Branch. The President is not in the Judicial Branch."
Civics lesson (continued from the Eighth Grade): Once a bill is voted on and passed by both Houses of Congress, the President either signs it into law or he vetoes it. He can either explicitly veto it, or he can simply ignore it (called a "pocket veto").
Once he signs it, there is little else (as in nada, zip, nuthin') he or a successor can do on his own but enforce it.
He can ask Congress to alter the law, which follows the above process.
He can have his Department of Justice bring suit in the courts to have the law struck down, but then the DOJ is just another party in a lawsuit. The judge can decide the case either for or against the DOJ's side, and even if the judge sides with the DOJ it doesn't mean the law will be struck down (i.e., the case can just be decided on its merits or some other way that doesn't affect the law).
sigs, as if you care.
Right to bear arms is a fundamental Civil Right in the US. Kerry is awful in this department.
.50 caliber machine guns, bazookas, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft Stinger missiles, or nuclear weapons. Nothing in the Second Amendment precluded state or federal laws which ban or limit the sale of certain types of weapons. Nor is it unconstitutional to prevent convicted felons from owning firearms. Get over it.
What utter fscking BS. Kerry is a gun owner and a hunter. He has never advocated taking all guns away from Americans.
You are just another one-issue deluded voter who wants to twist "a well regulated militia" into unregulated ownership of any and all weapons capable of killing people. Well here's a clue for you: The founding fathers didn't intend for you to be able to buy
And before you make an ass of yourself in your reply, know that I just went to a gun show in the last few weeks and bought a Yugoslavian M-24/47 Mauser (8x57mm) to add to my collection, so don't try to paint me as some kind of anti-gun extremist.
Delaware senator Joe Biden is pretty cool. :/
Kerry gets my vote
Yours and a landslide of others baby, yeah!
Just look at the End Of Days groupie losers. Their rhetoric is now limited to 'baseball scores!', 'what smoking crater economy?', 'what smoking crater from tons of looted high explosive nuke precursors?', 'what chronic lies and theft?', 'what dead and tortured?', 'love it or leave it to us fascists!'. It is their days that are numbered, next stop prison.
I'll even go further then argue Kerry voted for the Patriot Act.
HE ACTUALLY AUTHORED PROVISIONS IN IT! AND SO DID JOHN EDWARDS!
But let's get past the political hackery that Reason is promoting... "WHAAA! John Kerry voted for the Act, and now he's criticizing it, how can you trust him!? Whaaaaa!!!!" It's an amazingly thoughtless critique, even more so intellectually dishonest in that it criticizes Kerry for criticizing the Act.
But the truth of the matter is the Patriot Act wasn't a well thought out bill, or one that was even debated thoroughly. What it was, was a collection of hundreds of little issues that various Congresscritters had brought up over the years, all jammed together. So when Kerry and Edwards wrote parts of it, they wrote the parts which deal with dealing with money launderers and things like that.
And when they criticize it, they're complaining about the parts that allow the FBI to search your Library checkout records.
And GW Bush would have you believe the opposite, that Kerry and Edwards are complaining about the parts they themselves wrote.
The truth is... Parts of the Act are Good, and parts are Bad. AND THAT IS WHY JOHN KERRY IS SUGGESTING WE REVIEW IT!
The reason.com article is intellectually dishonest in suggesting otherwise.
Harry Browne refused to take his qualified matching funds in 2000 as any good Libertarian would. If we ever do win, it will be precisely because we DONT suckle at the federal troughs with all the other pigs. A lib in NJ also qualified for state fund and did take them. The LP current stance is to let the individual candidate decide to make the takings, but no Lib that takes the blood money will ever get my vote. We want to win, but not by using YOUR money to do it.
They also have Libertarian, Green, Independant and many other choices.
Yet I have not seen much interest in other candidates aside from their usual supporters.
I find it difficult to believe that they are "energized" to fight Bush, but then give up after only looking at Kerry.
From:
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http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/000791.
"As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students"
But they are only "energized" enough to look at one other candidate and not to start pushing a 3rd candidate.
I saw more energy then that with Dean's campaign PRIOR to the nomination.
How are the people so "energized" that they have to nominate someone who "de-energized" them and then complain about him?
Kerry gets an F from the, he sponsored and voted for many pieces of legislation that I consider illegal and on the road to totalitarianism. He voted yes on legislation to ban ALL CENTERFIRE.
.50BMG guns in California, let alone with the stuns Kerry, Feinstein, Schumer and Kennedy have pulled against gun owners. They are the 4 most ANTI GUN senators today. This FACT supported by GOA, NRA, Voting Records, JPFO, etc. FACTS DONT LIE.
Several bolt guns (centerfire) and pistols (centerfire). Don't you ever call yourself a real gun owner. You know nothing in the fight against the erosion of rights. The plan of attack by Totalitarians is to eat away at rights, registration here, pistol grip there, here there everywhere until everything is black powder, shotguns and bolts. Then they ALL get banned. I would be happy to let them have machine guns, EDs, and other things that are perceived by the public as menacing (however rarely they are used in crime doesn't seem to matter.)
Now that gun grabbing totalitarians are controlling Washington, I plant to get as much NFA/Class III gear as I can possibly amass. I would buy an M@-HB if I could, just to piss you off.
John Kerry gets an F in Civil rights because the NRA give him an F on his voting record. PERIOD. END.
John Kerry is not a sportsman or a gun lover. He is going duck hunting to gets idoits like you to actually believe he didn't vote against guns owners TIME and TIME again (whenever he actually bothered to show up and vote).
John Kerry Wants to Ban Guns in America
John Kerry's Voting Record on Second Amendment and Hunting Issues
John Kerry on Gun Control
Just for balance, the National Rifle Association, based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all Congressional candidates in 2002, Senator Kerry was assigned a grade of F based on a scale of A+ to a low of F. Not to be outdone, Gun Owners of America grade him F- (yes, that's a "minus" sign!).
If you can't see Kerry's lame hunting trip as a ruse, you are a complete idiot.
I'm furious with Arnold banning
You are a horribly uniformed voter and you will lead to totalitarianism in the USA. You could never be a Libertarian with your communist views on Gestapo like agencies like the Treasury, BATF, FBI and totalitarian LEOs crushing the American people with superior force.
Get this straight, buddy, the Federalist Papers put the framers intent in perspective. READ THEM before you bleat about what the framer's intent was. YOU DO NOT KNOW.
Think of it this way, when the US was born, the weapons what people owned were identical to what the military owned. As time passed, totalitarians and federalists made it so the government can easily crush the people.
You support totalitarianism and your position is indefensible. Maybe when you are being shoved into a crematorium by an Islamo-fascist alive you'll finally realize what an ass you are.
Join the Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership!
Don't you ever call yourself a real gun owner.
I'll call myself anything that choose and you can look down the barrel of any shotgun, rifle, or pistol that I own if you doubt that I'm a real gun owner.
He voted yes on legislation to ban ALL CENTERFIRE.
Liar. It was a ban only on armor piercing bullets: "a projectile for a centerfire rifle, designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability, that the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be more likely to penetrate body armor than standard ammunition of the same caliber." 34 of 97 Senators present voted in favor of that legislation, so don't try to portray Kerry as wildly out of step with the mainstream.
John Kerry gets an F in Civil rights because the NRA give him an F on his voting record. PERIOD. END.
I have zero respect for the NRA since fringe element nuts like Wayne LaPierre and Tanya Metaksa shifted it to the kind of organization that attracts kooks, so don't waste your time quoting what the NRA has said about Kerry. Not interested. PERIOD. END.
You are a horribly uniformed voter and you will lead to totalitarianism in the USA. You could never be a Libertarian with your communist views on Gestapo like agencies like the Treasury, BATF, FBI and totalitarian LEOs crushing the American people with superior {snip}
You support totalitarianism and your position is indefensible. Maybe when you are being shoved into a crematorium by an Islamo-fascist alive you'll finally realize what an ass you are.
If you honestly believe what you wrote, then you need psychiatric help. The paranoid, delusional rantings you've posted are way outside any definition of normalcy and sanity. It's really sad that you are going through your life so afraid. You don't have to. Seek professional help and your life might really turn around.
I didnt just quote the NRA. I showed you hist VOTING RECORD, to which you said nothing. His gun grabbing ways are WELL DOCUMENTED.
I showed links to several other sources for information - not just NRA.
I want to cut your legs off with a machete and feed them to dogs, you fuckign ANTI-GUN-NUT. Your treason against my civil rights is noted. You have been slated to have your legs removed by a knife and fed to dogs. That is the fate you deserve for treason against me.
Now go talk to those people. See how many of them blame Clinton for the recession and how many of them claim that the economy is improving now because of Bush. But whatever you do, don't vote for Kerry because he will only make it worse. Fear a Kerry administration.
And they blame Clinton and believe Bush will fix it. But whatever you do, don't vote for Kerry because he will only make it worse. Fear a Kerry administration.
It's all about the Fear.
I want to cut your legs off with a machete and feed them to dogs, you fuckign ANTI-GUN-NUT. Your treason against my civil rights is noted. You have been slated to have your legs removed by a knife and fed to dogs. That is the fate you deserve for treason against me.
Okay, I've been trolled. I admit it. At first I thought that you were serious (nutty, but serious) and now I see that you were just trolling. Good one.
I don't see how an AR-15/AR-10 semi is bad that I can't own one. I can own an M-1A from Springfield Armory in all states (Semi M-14), an M1-Carbine is 50 state legal, as well as the KelTec SU-16 is 50 state legal.
.308, have superior accuracy, anyone being shot with them armor or not is dead on the spot, they are accurate out to 800 yards and use an easy to learn ranging system and have an extremely reliable action.
.308. This weapon gets banned.
.50 caliber bolt guns are banned in CA. The rounds cost $3-$6 per round, .50BMG, and the gun weighs 40+ lbs, and the guns cost $2200 and up. Never has one been used in a crime. But they are banned.
What I don't get about the AW ban is weapons such as the M-1A are chambered in a very lethal round, the
Then the semi automatic AKM (known as "AK-47" when chambered in 7.62x39) is banned? The weapon is less accurate, the bullets, while still mostly instantly lethal, are less lethal than the
There is no rhyme or reason to most gun laws.
All gun legislation has one goal in mind. It is another step closer to a total and complete ban, such as the ban imposed on the subjects (no longer citizens) of Washington DC.
I go to shooting ranges with people of all walks of life in a fairly liberal/pro-Kerry area, and I can safely say, no one I have ever met thinks Kerry is pro gun.
The biggest problem gun owners have with laws in general is the arbitrary nature of them. They are nearly impossible to enforce (without total bans which still seems to be something regarded as universally un-constitutional), they are ineffective at reducing crime. If you want to make prison sentences longer for those using guns in a commission of a crime, go ahead.
Did you know folks, that in the USA Ted Kennedy is federally prohibited from buying firearms. Yes. He was convicted of a felony. In fact, a person who owns guns is guaranteed (albeit un-constitutionally) USA Grade A Citizen. These are more likely boy scouts than they are criminals. Most guns used in crime are cheap ass junk guns. You gun haters want tougher penalties on criminals using guns? Fine. You want guns to pass drop tests, and be deemed safe, fine. You want people to take safety courses before getting a CCW, ok. You want the already draconian tax stamp NFA crap for Class 3, machine guns, EDs, DDs, fine. What I don't get is where and why certain semi automatic rifles started to get slammed, and various shotguns. The line was drawn in 1934 and 1968. The line was reasonable. If one was hell bent on getting heavy firepower, it could still be done, but everyone knew who you were anyway, so legally obtained heavy weapons 100% precluded the buyer from ever being a criminal. It would always come back to him. But in 1986, 1994 and various other laws and executive orders have continually punished law abiding responsible gun owners for no reason. This persecution is a result of propaganda and fear. Most people have never shot a machine gun. Go rent one, you'll see quickly why a nice semi without any assault features with a scope like an M1A, or a bolt action scoped rifle, or a whole slew of other guns are probably better for being anti-social. Machine guns are things in the movies. What you don't see is that in war any human carried rifle is operated in rarely 2-3 shot burst mode these days or mostly in semi mode. Spraying bullets is ineffective. An M60, something that I would perceived as a two man weapon, is used primarily to suppress and not to kill, set up a barrage of suppression fire, and actual aimed fire or artillery or grenades do the killing. If you wanted to be an expert urban terrorist, you do not need an assault weapon or a machine gun. You just need to know how to sight a scope and carry any magazine fed hunting rifle like a BAR. Ask Malvo if he needed "select fire" to do the DC sniping.
If you have to delude yourself thinking he is Pro-Gun, go ahead, but 99% of the people I know with guns strongly disagree with you.
When I come to kill you, it will be with a quantity of battery acid, duct tape, chloroform, an electric meat cutting blade.
You'll wish I'd have used a gun to kill you. Right before you die, you'll be begging to be coup de gras with a gun.
Kerry support giving out veiled death threats. Nice.
You must be one of the guys who mete out death threats:
Store Owner Threatened After Ad Shows Up During Anti-Kerry Film
POSTED: 6:44 am EDT October 26, 2004
UPDATED: 8:16 am EDT October 27, 2004
COLUMBIA, Md. -- A local business owner needed to promote a sale at his store at the last minute so he ordered whatever commercial time was available.
WBAL-TV 11 News reporter Lowell Melser said it ended up hurting his business and even led to death threats.
A Columbia furniture business owner was the only advertiser who paid for commercials during the anti-Kerry documentary aired by Sinclair Broadcasting on WBFF-TV in Baltimore. He told Melser he had no idea what he was sponsoring.
Joseph Blanchfield has owned Columbia-based Oak Tree Furniture for 18 years -- building it from scratch. Recently, his big money makers have been weekend tent sales, which he promotes primarily through mailers.
This past weekend, Blanchfield held one of those sales. Melser said the problem was that the mailing company forgot to mail the flyers.
"Basically we were having a party on Saturday and no one was invited," said Blanchfield.
Desperate to reach his customers, Blanchfield asked his media buyer what was available for short notice advertising. He was told a few radio stations and a documentary program on John Kerry.
Melser said the tent was set up Friday night and employees were gearing up for the big weekend. However, all of the preparation was cut short by a plethora of phone calls critical of his advertising inside the anti-Kerry program.
Just when Blanchfield thought things couldn't get any worse, Melser reported that they did at around midnight.
"The guy said, 'is this the owner?' And I said, yes it is and he says, 'you're a dead man' and profanities and I said have a nice night, and hung up" said Blanchfield.
He called the police. They told him there really wasn't much they could do, however they did place him on a 911 priority and patrolled near his property hourly.
The sale went off without incident and sales were way down.
Blanchfield said if you don't believe him, consider this: he's a registered independent and has voted for both sides. He also has a shrine outside of his business for his father who served in two wars and was a registered Democrat.
"All they saw was an ad that I ran and I didn't run it against anybody," Blanchfield said. "I just invited them into my home."
Blanchfield may not have too much to worry about. According to the Nielsen ratings system, the anti-Kerry program only reached about 38,000 households. For comparison, WBAL-TV 11 News 11 p.m. newscast averages more than 100,000 homes.
Heinz-Kerry Questioner Getting Death Threats
The reporter from a Pittsburgh, PA newspaper who asked Teressa Heinz-Kerry to explain what she meant by "un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits" in a rally speech has become the focus of insults and death threats from Democrats.
Heinz-Kerry's response to reporter Colin McNickle, "shove it", has garnered more press coverage than many of the pre-conceived slogans put forward by her husband, Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry.
While many say McNickle's question was "rude", he says, "I didn't bully her. I didn't set her up. She stumbled all by herself". He says he has "learned about the power of a simple question," and adds that she never answered the question.
Kerry flip_flops in his imitable manner in this one article.
John Berlau seemed to be rambling, but it was actually John Kerry zig_zagging and flip_flopping.
The only thing new in this world is the history that you don't know.[Harry Truman]
We're not anointing Kerry alpha ubergeek next week, we're deciding whether he's better than Bush. He's better than Bush. Vote for him.
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When I come to kill you, it will be with a quantity of battery acid, duct tape, chloroform, an electric meat cutting blade.
You'll wish I'd have used a gun to kill you. Right before you die, you'll be begging to be coup de gras with a gun.
You really are pretty good at the trolling, but you might want to look for another mark. As I read that, I just imagined some scrawny 14 year old kid at a keyboard pecking away after getting his ass kicked again at school. Whatever floats your boat.
no one I have ever met thinks Kerry is pro gun.
.50 caliber bolt guns are banned in CA. The rounds cost $3-$6 per round, .50BMG, and the gun weighs 40+ lbs, and the guns cost $2200 and up. Never has one been used in a crime. But they are banned.
Kerry, unlike Bush, does not have a black and white view of the world. He isn't pro or anti gun. Nor am I. I think that there is a right for the citizenry as a whole to own guns, but I do not think that such a right is Constitutionally mandated to be unlimited in scope.
There is no rhyme or reason to most gun laws.
Nuclear weapons have never been used in crimes, but they, too, are banned for private ownership. The rationale for the bans is two-fold:
1. How much have they been used in crimes?
2. How dangerous would they be in the wrong hands?
Now the politicians don't always get this right and that assualt weapons ban was a good example of that. Many people from both sides will agree on that.
All gun legislation has one goal in mind. It is another step closer to a total and complete ban,
I disagree completely with that. Legislation requiring background checks is to keep guns out of the wrong hands. So is legislation which seeks to prevent those convicted of domestic abuse from owning guns. I'd support legislation that banned unsafe "junk guns", grenade launchers, bazookas, and shoulder fired missiles, but I don't support legislation aimed at taking away all arms.
It's a mistake to subject all politicians to a 'Second Amendment Purity Test' in which any vote limiting any kind of arms ownership results in a failing grade. Don't just assume that everyone who votes for a ban on certain types of weapons is trying to take away all guns. In most cases, they aren't.
Hearing statements like this worry me about your sanity. I can't imagine a situation occuring where a militant group could ever have any hope of overthrowing the US government, or even affecting any kind of change. Your "right to bear arms" extend to at best, a rifle, and that isn't going to achieve much against tanks, planes, and a well trained US military. Groups like that will always be quickly (and rightly) labeled as terrorist groups and have little or no public sympathy. As long as the US remains a democracy, change (though usually slow) will be possible through peaceful means. You have to remember that the founding fathers were just a little bit radical, which isn't surprising considering they had just rebelled against a very powerful nation, were traitors, and were advocating what at the time was a very different form of government. Taking seriously the suggestion that a revolution is something we should have fairly regularly is a not-so-great idea in my opinion. Just like any source, you can't take everything every founding father said as gospel on how things should be done hundreds of years later.
John Kerry thinks he can win this election by simply not being George Bush. He is in for a big surprise.
"Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
Kerry gets a "F" from all the major gun advocacy/civil rights groups.
Being Brady (which is unconstitutional and annoying) is one thing. Being a Kerry is flat out gun grabbing totalitarian.
Kerry's voting record on guns is indefensible.
14 year olds cant buy guns. I can.
I'm so far past school and your level of thinking its unreal.
Maybe if you owned a small business you would start disliking Kerry a bit more.
This is an example of a liberal losing an argument. They label and use ad-Hominem attacks because the position they took is indefensible.
This man supports the denigration and destruction of the free republic. This isn't about patriotism, this is about treason. His thinking is treasonous, and when he can't sufficiently justify it, he uses these underhanded mechanisms to distract the readers from his flawed thinking.
Cookie cutter.
Baseball bats, golf clubs and knives are dangerous in the wrong hands.
You keep arguing nuclear weapons and bazookas, but never mention more pedestrian arms like select fire guns, SBR and SB Shotguns. People who have nothing to argue take the analogies to the extremes. No gun owners I know want RPGs, Nuclear weapons, tanks or artillery. Although, there are transferable M79 grenade launchers - I don't fear the public having access to those.
Legislation is about two things: control and distrust of the public. The free market/free society makes most of the weapons you seem to keep trumpeting priced far beyond the reach of a crack head or street thug or even a well financed drug dealer.
You don't care. You have a notion of reasonable and you will impose that on everyone regardless of what the root law of the United States is, you ignore the fundamental root laws and the founding fathers and favor what's reasonable to you and claim the constitution is living.
You are guilty of treason, you are wrong. If this was a true democracy and not a republic, we would be dead already, and thank goodness the founding fathers knew to protect the people who appreciate freedom from treasonous citizens like yourself.
States like California, New Jersey and Maryland and even Washington DC continually infringe on people's right to keep and bear arms, and people like you see nothing wrong with it. Don't you get it? Firearms are completely banned in DC, yet you think this is reasonable?
What I don't understand is:
Kerry was and still is in position to submit Bills to Congress to enact the concepts he champions on the campain trail and yet he chooses not to do so.
He harps on Bush for letting the Assault Weapons ban expire as if Bush can implement new law.
Yet, Kerry has/had the power to introduce a Bill to Congress to extend the ban.
If it is such a big deal to Kerry, why doesn't he do this?
I think Kerry doesn't do this because that would mean having an Ideal he cannot change to get what he wants - The Presidency.
TIME is the Aether...
You don't know what you're talking about. Politicians don't "cause" economic growth and prosperity; the best they can do is to get out of the way. They can cause economic ruin by intervening in the free market, regulating, inflating the monetary supply, taxing, and telling others how to run their lives; but they cannot cause economic prosperity.
Democrats and Republicans are the two sides of the same coin: the Welfare/Warfare State. Both support various socialist interventions into the free market (it's just a matter of whether those interventions are Communist, such as welfare, or Fascit in nature, such as corporate subsidies at the taxpayer's expense).
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14 year olds cant buy guns. I can.
But I thought that everyone had a Constitutional right to bear arms. Why not a 14 year old?
I'm so far past school and your level of thinking its unreal.
I'll grant that your thinking is not based on reality.
Maybe if you owned a small business you would start disliking Kerry a bit more.
Maybe if my small business had survived George W. Bush, I'd start liking him a bit more. It did fine under Clinton, but didn't survive Bush. There have been more small business failures since GWB took office than can be counted. The economy has lost jobs. Pay is down. The national debt is at a record as is deficit spending. Consumer confidence is down. Each U.S. household is in debt for the Iraq war to the tune of well over $1,000.
You want small businesses to prosper? Cut middle class taxes to stimulate consumer spending.
Amazingly, now that you have linked to it, the page is "Not Found".
Kerry gets a "F" from all the major gun advocacy/civil rights groups.
I thought that the ACLU thought highly of him.
Being Brady (which is unconstitutional
Says who? The Supreme Court? If it's so clearly unconstitutional, why didn't the NRA challenge it in court?
Being a Kerry is flat out gun grabbing totalitarian.
Please, give me a list of people from whom he has taken guns.
Right. Everyone should be able to buy guns. But the law is the law. You may break them, but I do not.
Wrong again. My thinking is beyond your capacity.
So your biz tanked because it was a bad idea. Now you blame Bush. HAHAHAHA. Classic. Funny how every person I know who runs a small business did just fine. In general, the GOP is far less anti business than the teamsters and the Dems. Both parties are anti business because they both levy taxes and spend taxpayer money wantonly. But if you blame Bush for you business tanking, HAHAHAHAHA. Your lies and propaganda just dont fly. I started a new business just 15 months ago and everything is going just fine. So dont give me your lies and FUD. You are a disgruntled FAILURE and a TOOL in the Demoncat class warfare strategy! HAHAAHAHAH
TOOL! You are a disgruntled FAILURE TOOL who wants to capitulate to the UN because your failed ass longs for socialism where failures like yourself are rewarded by the real deal by force. HAHAHAH Disgruntled failure!.
Baseball bats, golf clubs and knives are dangerous in the wrong hands.
Would you rather have a mentally unbalanced person show up on a busy street with a golf club or a fully automatic AK-47 with a 100 round drum?
People who have nothing to argue take the analogies to the extremes. No gun owners I know want RPGs, Nuclear weapons, tanks or artillery.
People who want to make a point use extreme analogies to do so. Either arms control is reasonable or it is not. If it's okay to say that someone can't have a shoulder-fired Stinger missile, then the right to bear arms is not absolute and laws can establish limits. Besides, this isn't about the people you know. It's about everyone. Bill Gates can afford a nuclear missile, so does the 2nd Amendment mean that he's got a right to buy one if he wants?
Legislation is about two things: control and distrust of the public.
It's possible to trust the public as a whole and not trust each member of it individually. It only takes one nut-case with a fully automatic AK-47 with a 75 round drum to kill an incredible number of people in a drive-by shooting. Sure, he can kill people with a Glock or a baseball bat, but it's a lot fewer people. So we try to come up with laws that do the least harm to sportsmen, homeowners, and even gun enthusiasts while limiting the damage that one deranged person can do.
You are guilty of treason, you are wrong.
What happened to presumed innocence? If you think that I've committed treason, then turn me in to the authorities. If they prosecute, then you have a case. If not, you're just making unfounded, defamatory postings.
Firearms are completely banned in DC, yet you think this is reasonable?
No, I do not. And unlike the right-wingers, I think that it is wrong that D.C. residents have taxation without representation. Will you back an amendment granting DC two Senators and Congressional representation? They have more population than Wyoming and about the same as Vermont, so why should they get no representation?
So your biz tanked because it was a bad idea.
Yeah, software engineering and consulting was a bad idea. Sure.
Now you blame Bush. HAHAHAHA.
Double standard! It's okay for you to say that Kerry could hurt your small business but it's wrong for me to say that Bush could hurt mine.
I started a new business just 15 months ago and everything is going just fine.
And what does your business do? Is it your sole means of support? What's the web page of your business?
Funny how every person I know who runs a small business did just fine.
Try looking at statistics rather than polling your buddies.
The ACLU is anti gun. They call gun ownership a collective right which makes them a cult terrorizing the people. They say guns are a collective right on the website. Go look. Now read some more Ayn Rand, and realize you are a communist or a fascist if you believe in collective rights.
The ACLU will protect muslim scarves and let a artist dunk a cross in horse shit and urine, but wont help people with gun rights violations by the state, local and feds.
Well, thank god most people elect intelligent congressman and senators that dont vote along with Kerry, Feinstein and Schumer. I couldnt buy new "assault weapons" for years because of Kerry and his cohorts in the Senate. I hold him responsible for blocking the ownership of large cap mags and denying me the right to purchase many firewarms I wanted from 1994 until now. He is a gun grabber, and will confiscate them eventually. First is to cut off the supply, and second is to legislate aginst owners (some states dont allow certain semi rifles to be inhereited due to having a pistol grip and a detachable magazine.)
The ACLU is a special interest group with no absolute understanding of civil rights.
You are WRONG again.
Mentaly ill people are already banned from owning firearms, you stupid fucking ass. WRONG AGAIN.
Your whole MO here is twisted liar. you are a person just like Kerry. You speak out of both sides. You say you are pro gun but you are SEVERELY ANTI GUN. You Talk about DC getting representation, but you dont care they lost firearms rights. You change and twist the subject. DC is federal property. I wish it only had federal law, it would be the freest place in the USA. You dont have to living in fucking DC, you fucking moron, you choose to live there. I wish the communists hadnt destroyed its federal law only status. Now its infected and fucked because of do-gooders like yourself. YOU FUCKED THE PLACE, and then you elect a cocaine addict mayor. HAHAHAHAH talk about liberal representatives. AHAHAH.
I could kill more people with a semi hunting rifle with many spare magazines than an AK with a 75 round drum. Youve never fired a gun in FA, you know nothing about them. You are a pathetic uninformed joke who legislates on could-be PRECRIME scenarios your fuckhead mind picked up from movies.
There is presumed innocence, but you chronicled and confessed your treason and sedition here in written form in a public forum. You would have no choice to plead guilty in court, your case will be open and shut. You will rot in prison if the right people see this, you gun grabbing seditionist!
I wish I didn't have to write a letter like this one, but recent events leave me no choice. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do suspect that I must respond to F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell's dissertations. I can only give our young people the values that will inspire them to think outside the box if his army of what I call shiftless, oppressive wastrels is decimated down to those whose inborn lack of character permits them to betray anyone and everyone for the well-known thirty pieces of silver.
He wants nothing less than to show us a gross miscarriage of common judgment. His confreres then wonder, "What's wrong with that?" Well, there's not much to be done with self-indulgent swaggerers who can't figure out what's wrong with that, but the rest of us can plainly see that F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell proclaims at every opportunity that he'd never take rights away from individuals whom only F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell perceives as combative. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. He can get away with lies (e.g., that he is forward-looking, open-minded, and creative), because the average person cannot imagine anyone lying so brazenly. Not one person in a hundred will actually check out the facts for himself and discover that F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell is lying.
It seems that no one else is telling you that we must use our minds and spirits to halt his efforts to exercise control through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation. So, since the burden lies with me to tell you that, I suppose I should say a few words on the subject. To begin with, F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell's viewpoints are not pedantic treatises expressing theories or extravaganzas dealing in fables or fancies. They are substantial, sober outpourings from the very soul of credentialism. F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell is always prating about how unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point. (He used to say that the average working-class person can't see through his chicanery, but the evidence is too contrary, so he's given up on that score.) If you observe some repetition in my statements, it is because such repetition is needed for clarity and emphasis as I build a world overflowing with compassion and tolerance. Throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish to strengthen our roots so we can weather the storms that threaten our foundation and those who wish to make serious dialogue difficult or impossible. Naturally, F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell belongs to the latter category.
It is apparent to me that he is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to him whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell is faddism. Why? It's an interesting question, and its examination will help us understand how F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell's mind works. Let me start by providing evidence that all the deals F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell makes are strictly one-way. F. 'Ass Philandering Kid Raping Seditionist Pedophile" Maxwell gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. You'd think I'd be pretty well inured by now to the lunacies of his methods of interpretation, but I have to say that I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that he is up to, the more shocking things, things like how he wants to exhibit a deep disdain for all people who are not meretricious, si
You sucked at being a consultant and a software engineer. You never wrote anything of value. Sorry. You are a loosly educated pathetic asshole.
I say democrats and unions and trial lawyers like Edwards and lack of tort reforms resisted by the deomcrats hurt biz. Explain why wall st. reacts positive to GOP wins?
I'm not exposing myself to a psychotic death threat seditionist! Kerry supporters gave out death threats before! What makes you think I trust you not to actually give out death threats to me and firebomb my business! You havent been reading, Kerry supportrs are chronicled in two articles above giving death threats out. And you did here on Slashdot.
I know the statistics, and things are looking up. The economy had a cycle end that was independant of who was president and exacerbated by 9/11. You and your class warfare budduies want the people to live in fear! You blame people for things while you do nothing to alleviate suffering. You are a sad lot.
I love how badly you persue this thread. Youre flopping around in the bottom of the boat right about now.
I couldnt buy new "assault weapons" for years because of Kerry and his cohorts in the Senate. I hold him responsible for blocking the ownership of large cap mags and denying me the right to purchase many firewarms I wanted from 1994 until now.
But he did not prevent you from owning and buying guns -- only from getting certain types and models of guns and gun accessories. You could still go down to your local Walmart and buy a shotgun or rifle, couldn't you? So you could still have been part of a well regulated militia, right?
The ACLU is anti gun.
The NRA is pro gun.
The ACLU is a special interest group with no absolute understanding of civil rights.
The NRA is a special interest group with absolutely no understanding of civil rights. The ACLU is a special interest group about civil rights. That's their main focus and they understand it well.
Well, thank god most people elect intelligent congressman and senators that dont vote along with Kerry, Feinstein and Schumer.
It was Schumer who said "The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself."
You sucked at being a consultant and a software engineer. You never wrote anything of value.
Actually, I was damned good at both and am still employed (though not self-employed) as a software engineer working under someone who hired me previously as a consultant. Code that I wrote has been used for everything from NIR spectrophotometry to satellite communications.
What makes you think I trust you not to actually give out death threats to me and firebomb my business!
What a pathetic cop-out. You didn't even answer the questions of what your business did or whether it was your sole means of support.
I know the statistics, and things are looking up. The economy had a cycle end that was independant of who was president and exacerbated by 9/11.
Bush was the first President in over 70 years to lose jobs. The markets are down. Oil prices are up. Wages are down. Deficits are at an all-time high. It's not a regular economic cycle and it's fucking pathetic how you Republicans will use the deaths of about 3,000 people as an excuse for your pathetic failed economic policies. The World Trade Center was destroyed. Not all of New York. Not all of Los Angeles. You people have no ethics.
Mentaly ill people are already banned from owning firearms, you stupid fucking ass.
John Hinckley bought his gun legally. So did Mark David Chapman. If you would stop ass-raping young boys long enough to read something, you'd know that. This may also come as a shock, but a sane person can buy a gun and then go insane later.
You Talk about DC getting representation, but you dont care they lost firearms rights.
You lying, child molesting, asswipe. I wrote that I thought it unreasonable that they lost firearm ownership rights AND that I thought that they should have representation in Congress.
You dont have to living in fucking DC, you fucking moron, you choose to live there.
I don't live there and never have, you pedophilic, illiterate piece of shit. Besides, why is "move out of DC" the answer when a DC resident wants Congressional representation but not the answer when a DC resident wants to own a gun?
I could kill more people with a semi hunting rifle with many spare magazines than an AK with a 75 round drum.
That shows how little you know about guns. An AK-47 has a firing rate in FA of 600 rounds per minute. That means that 75 shots could be sprayed into a crowd in about 8 seconds in a drive-by. Try that with a semi-auto hunting rifle and the crowd would have run for cover before you ever get the second clip in place.
but you chronicled and confessed your treason and sedition
No, I never "confessed" to treason or sedition. You accused me of it and then were too much of a pussy to back up that claim by alerting the authorities (who would have probably ended up hauling you away in a straight-jacket).
John Hinckley bought his gun legally. So did Mark David Chapman. If you would stop ass-raping young boys long enough to read something, you'd know that. This may also come as a shock, but a sane person can buy a gun and then go insane later.
There you are again with the PRECRIME. The lord and master, you, wants along with John Kerry to decide who can have civil rights and who can't. You think you are smart enough to think for others and protect society on it's behalf. You are dangerous, and your dangerous presumptions are going to kill us all with your communist thinking.
lying, child molesting, asswipe. I wrote that I thought it unreasonable that they lost firearm ownership rights AND that I thought that they should have representation in Congress.,
No. You sidestepped the firearms ban and talked of people voting and being represented illegally. If they aren't in a state and on a federal district, one could argue they were created to undermine close elections. They d have EV (illegally). There are illegal laws being imposed on those living in the federal district. And the good citizens there can't have guns but get a cocaine addicted mayor.
don't live there and never have, you pedophilic, illiterate piece of shit. Besides, why is "move out of DC" the answer when a DC resident wants Congressional representation but not the answer when a DC resident wants to own a gun?
Seditionist treasonous pedophile obsessed now are you? YYour constant frothing about child molestation makes me believe you are a radical NAMBLA member who votes to disarm the public so you don't get shot when the parents find you in their kids bedroom.
That shows how little you know about guns. An AK-47 has a firing rate in FA of 600 rounds per minute. That means that 75 shots could be sprayed into a crowd in about 8 seconds in a drive-by. Try that with a semi-auto hunting rifle and the crowd would have run for cover before you ever get the second clip in place.
How many hits from a drum? Almost NONE. Driving by spraying an inaccurate weapons with an unreliable feeding device. You are suggesting that the public needs to be defended against an event that has never happened. Yet terrorists crash airplanes and threaten us and you stand with John Kerry fucking with the president. YOU ARE THE ENEMY WITHIN. YOU ARE THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER! If you were to position yourself with a snipers vantage point with some mild suppressor you could kill far more people than with an AK in a drive by. I will buy a beta C-MAG and a few 30-40-50 round SK magazines and a 75 round drum today just to piss you off you gun grabbing communist fuck. FUCK YOU. Every time mother fuckers like you talk about this shit I want to create a whole fucking arsenal.
No, I never "confessed" to treason or sedition. You accused me of it and then were too much of a pussy to back up that claim by alerting the authorities (who would have probably ended up hauling you away in a straight-jacket).
Read what you've been saying. You are a fucking communist shit. You are too much of a fucking pussy to reveal yourself, there are many others watching this thread, waiting to find out who you are so we can campaign against you.
But he did not prevent you from owning and buying guns -- only from getting certain types and models of guns and gun accessories. You could still go down to your local Walmart and buy a shotgun or rifle, couldn't you? So you could still have been part of a well regulated militia, right? .50BMG semi and a M79 grenade launcher. The fact you enjoy banning them from me makes me want to obtain them illegally and use them to destroy you. I am in a civil war against a tyranny that you and your kind impose upon me, if you would have left me alone and let me have my own life, liberty, property/pursuit of happiness I would have left your to yours. But you FUCKED WITH MY LIFE, now I have been told by many of the Framers to attack you, you are the tyranny, you represent evil, you erode America.
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Yes, he and other legislators denied me an right that is in-alienable. These are the same that voted for many, many laws that make government bigger and the people weaker. I need an Ma Deuce to be in my own one man militia, along with a Barrett
The NRA is pro gun.
The NRA focuses on one civil right, and would gladly protect the rest if they were being assaulted like firearms rights. The ACLU can not be a civil rights group because they seek to deny me of the civil right I care about. They are tyrannical POLTICAL left wing propagandists and need to be stopped.
The NRA is a special interest group with absolutely no understanding of civil rights. The ACLU is a special interest group about civil rights. That's their main focus and they understand it well.
The ACLU is a hypocrite, so all they represent is the totalitarian evil. They are a cult that needs to be stopped.
It was Schumer who said "The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself."
Schumer sponsored many anti gun bills and voted for every anti gun legislation ever put before him. He is a Fucking Asshole, a tyrant, he is illegally in office (people who work to subjugate the rights of the people are not allowed to hold public office.). He is a tyrant warlord and you are his vile foot soldier peon
I wrote "I'll call myself anything that choose and you can look down the barrel of any shotgun, rifle, or pistol that I own if you doubt that I'm a real gun owner." Where is the death threat? I said that he "can look down", not that he would or that I would hunt him down, so get over yourself.
Taking your words out of context to try and sugar coat them. Not this time mister. That was a death threat, now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Some arms should be illegal. No people should be victims of genocide.
Who the fuck are you to decide what should and shouldn't be legal. Fuck off. If you ever attempt to take guns away from the people more than has already been done (believe me, FuckHead, 1934, 1968 and 1986 are FUCKING PLENTY, no FUCK OFF). Of you gun grabbing pukes would STOP we wouldnt be so pissed. Now you've pissed us off you fucking asshole. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.
I always thought you were a neo-Nazi, so thanks for proving it.
No. You are the fascist totalitarian. I fear you and your fascist tendencies. You believe in the state crushing the people. You are the Nazi here, get out the swastika and the NSDAP gear. You are the type of person RESPONSIBLE for burning people alive in crematoriums. I am a Jew for the Preservation of Firearms, how could I be a Nazi!
Wrong again. The law was just as I quoted: "a projectile for a centerfire rifle, designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability, that the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be more likely to penetrate body armor than standard ammunition of the same caliber." Did you see the "more likely...than standard ammunition of the same caliber" part?
Wrong. AG's who are given discretion abuse it. This is an attempt to ban all centerfire. If it doesn't list specific things its going after, then it is a simple attempt to use an unelected person such as an Attorney General to ban what he feels like. Fuck you. Fuck off. Your liberal leftist totalitarian lies are transparent. THE STENCH FROM THE BENCH IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ONE CLENCH.
After the threats that you've made against my life? Yeah, right. You said that I committed treason, so turn me in for it. The feds could get a warrant for Slashdot & my ISP to identify me in a heartbeat -- but then you know that. You're full of shit and just want a name and address so that you can harass me, vandalize my home, commit arson, or even attempt violence. Hell, you're such a pathetic coward that you post anonymously.
No, you are the vandal, the rapist the pedophile. You and Kerry are intimidating voters, and using your highfalutin double speak to dupe people into joining your communist party. You are gun grabbers, class warfare artists that gain only when the world is in shambles and you blame your enemies for it. You are the clear and present danger here, you are the tyranny and the evil, the enemy within.
Your interest in the size of my penis is disturbing.
I was noting that your behavior is similar to a person with a small penis problem. I'm only interested in your penis if you intend on using it on a child's anus. Your interest in kid's penises is what's disturbing, Chester the Molester.
It's assholes like the two of you who are ruining Slashdot. You're both behaving like children.
But you really are a total nut job. It is not treason or sedition to support limited gun control. The other poster is right. If you think that he committed treason, turn him in for it or STFU. If you do, the FBI will end up investigating you for being such a wack-job after seeing the crap you have posted in this thread.
If there was ever anyone so crazy that they should not have access to guns, it's you. You are a paranoid looney who needs your head examined. I would not trust you with a soup spoon much less a gun.
On top of all of that you cannot read worth crap. How many times does stuff have to be repeated just so that you can understand?
Both of you stop posting this shit and you (anonymous coward) go get a damned shrink to adjust your meds while there is still time.
No. You sidestepped the firearms ban and talked of people voting and being represented illegally.
You are a lying sack of shit. Here's the exchange:
You wrote: "Firearms are completely banned in DC, yet you think this is reasonable?"
I replied: "No, I do not. And unlike the right-wingers, I think that it is wrong that D.C. residents have taxation without representation."
You asked. I answered in no uncertain terms. Now admit that you lied or that you lack reading comprehension.
You are too much of a fucking pussy to reveal yourself, there are many others watching this thread, waiting to find out who you are so we can campaign against you.
That's coming from someone who posts as "anonymous coward." What a hypocritical little wuss you are!
You skipped your meds again, didn't you?
You never wrote any code. You cant prove it. You lie about being a coder. You are possibly a skr1pt k1dd13, but that's a stretch.
I am not copping out. I have nothing to prove to you. I know what my resume says, and what yours doesn't. I've fired better people than you.
Presidents don't crate jobs unless they expand the federal government. Possibly in the homeland security dept, there actually have been jobs created by Bush. Other than that its a free market. If I don't recall, its Kerry that want protective tariffs and heavy penalties for outsourcing. Both are anti business, especially in the long run. But who cares, he needs votes, not sound policy.
Oil is up because demand is up. China just today raised its interest rates to slow its economic growth to help alleviate the demand on oil. Oil is commodity sold by OPEN and other nations and the price is simply the market + taxes levied by governments. Bush has nothing to do with Venezuela having a communist for a leader fucking with the oil companies, OPEC's demand based pricing of oil, or the hurricane season effect on Gulf drilling operations. In fact, refineries in the US have been drastically improved to help kept gas prices low. Yes low, we pay the least and the oil crises of the '70's the price was inflation adjusted 80/barrell. So you are wrong, inflation adjusted these oil prices aren't the doomsday bullshit you are talking about. Kerry's model, Germany and France, would be triple prices at the pump. And your tree hugging liberal assholes caused the Oil Hegemony of today by resisting Nuclear power with self centered Volvo Driving NIMBY bike bath not in my back yard attitude towards nuclear power. You caused it, now live with it, Hippy scum.
Id like to note about the deficit, you don't chart the spending deficit against the size of the total economy. The reason federal spending is higher now than ever before is because the economy has been growing at about 3% year for a long time. What % is the current deficit compared to the size of the economy? What was that ratio for Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, etc. You don't know. You toss numbers without even knowing what you're talking about. Go live in a third world country or a socialist country, then come back and bitch. Until then, fuck off. If you failed in business in the USA, you would have failed 10 times faster anywhere else.
Outline failed policies. Explain how Bush has made the USA a worse place to do business. In fact, I remember only one person during the debates talking about making America a friendly place to do business, and that was Cheney against that moron Edwards, a medical industry suing anti-tort-reform idiot.
You are an idiot. You bleat propaganda you got from the left without understanding any of it. You are a low life scum who makes so little you don't pay taxes and you bleat this class warfare trash at the beck and call of your masters. Good day, unconvincing moron.
You skipped reading the federalist papers. You skipped reading the first State's constitutions. You skipped believing the constitution is for everyone. Its only for you and how you interpret it. You are an egomaniac fascist.
So now you claim jurisprudence means that you can look in unrelated case law for contextual definition of words to effect your current case? I dont think so. Try bringing up the contextual definition of a word on an UNRELATED case and saying to the judge this proves that because the words "limited infringent" were used in a custody case that that means you can take my guns away. Always skirting the issue.
You people live in the world of grey but everything you do is black or white. You crushing my rights is clearly black, its evil, its wrong. You can hold up all the smoke, mirrors and grey you want, but you are still evil and wrong.
The best and brightest didn't need degrees when I got into the field. Just ask Wozniak or Gates. I dropped out of college to do software engineering on Near Infrared Spectrophotometers using state of the art development tools (in-circuit emulators, high-speed scopes, high-end compilers and assemblers, etc.).
Failures in business don't qualify for honorary degrees. Sorry.
You are just another drone at Apple, one of hundreds, if not thousands, of coders. You'll always be that -- just a "bit player" if you will.
Never worked at Apple in my life.
I always knew that you were so stupid that you thought that OPEC was a nation.
Not its a consortium of oil producing nations. You might want to find out the member states, you obviously don't know.
No, I never protested it. You are a liar.
The people you support protest nuclear power.
In what sense of the word? Jobs? No. Wages? No.
I know of no people with high tech expertise out of a job right now. Only losers who band around class warfare artists like yourself piss and moan. And you are a gun grabber like Kerry.
And they don't spend it. That's why across-the-board tax cuts don't work to stimulate an economy.
So it's okay to tax the rich more because they can afford it while your poster boy, Kerry, uses tax shelters? Its okay to tax the shit out of people if they are too dumb to hide the income.
Bush attacked Iraq, not Kerry. Bush bombed the pipelines, not Kerry. Bush provoked the terrorists, not Kerry.
So we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and appear the Muslim terrorists, the new Hitler incarnate (who was a gun grabber like Kerry).
Gee, then how did American car companies thrive after CAFE was enacted?
CAFE isn't the problem, where we get our industrial power is more of the problem. There is an oil crisis looming and the US attempts to secure a huge oil field for long term strategy and you people bitch and whine.
You don't even have a business. You're just a drone working at Apple and will never have your own business.
Yes, I do.
I already did. Rather than pushing nuclear (or "nuc-u-lar" as you ignorant conservatives say), you right-wingers resisted efforts to impose tougher pollution limits on oil burning powerplants so that they could remain in operation.
That would drive prices up even further. The alternative energy infrastructure needs to be built out before you go and further destroy the economy with your reckless acts.
You really are completely ignorant, aren't you? The drug prices are not subsidized. They are negotiated by the government as part of the socialized medicine there.
Yes, they are. That is you simply ignoring the fact. You think the price of the pill magically drops for a socialist country? No. They drop because they are subsidized.
My business made me hundreds of thousands of dollars and I shut it down voluntarily with no monetary losses when the economy turned sour for software consulting. I do invest heavily in overseas companies and they are helping my stock portfolio immensely right now.
Pure lies. Baseless lies. You are a poverty stricken unemployment recipient.
That's because you are just a W2 drone working at Apple. Hint: Tupperware or Herbalife is not a business.
I've never worked for Apple.
Business loans are not "handouts" any more than student loans, car loans, or home loans. That's something that you would know if you ever ran a business.
Yes, they are. They are for whiney failures. I've started businesses, you need to sell something innovative, make money, reinvest and expand properly. You have no notion of how to do this, thus you look for handout loans. If the business is solid, you can get a loan from a bank and not the taxpayers which you want to further burden.
Go back to your sad little life coding for Apple -- while you still have your job.
I don't take employment, I make it for myself.
Gun grabber.
Failures in business don't qualify for honorary degrees. Sorry.
I never failed in business. I opened a consulting business, raked in money for quite a few years, and closed the business down when I took W2 employment. I do not need the dick stroking of an honorary degree to validate my life.
Never worked at Apple in my life.
Sure John, whatever you say. Enjoy your little fantasy life and your imaginary company.
Not its a consortium of oil producing nations. You might want to find out the member states, you obviously don't know.
You were the one who said "Oil is commodity sold by OPEN[sic] and other nations." You didn't say "Oil is sold the the members of OPEC and other nations." And, by the way, OPEC doesn't sell oil.
The people you support protest nuclear power.
So first you lie and say that I protested nuclear power when I did not. Then when confronted, you claim that people I support protest nuclear power. Kerry's Web site states that "nuclear power can play an essential role in providing affordable energy while reducing the risk of climate change." His aides also say he is for nuclear power.
I know of no people with high tech expertise out of a job right now.
That says a lot about how few people are willing to deal with someone like you since tech sector unemployment is higher now than it has been in decades according to reputable statistics and analysts.
So it's okay to tax the rich more because they can afford it while your poster boy, Kerry, uses tax shelters?
Yes. Anyone, including you, is entitled to legally write off certain types of investments. If you put money into a 401K, that's a tax shelter and it's not "hiding" anything. John Kerry is for policies that will raise his taxes far more than yours. Unlike you, he's interested in the long-term good of the country, not just his own wallet. What's next? Criticizing him for writing off his charitable donations?
So we should just act like Neville Chamberlain and appear the Muslim terrorists, the new Hitler incarnate (who was a gun grabber like Kerry).
As the 9/11 panel stated in their report, Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Nor was Iraq linked to sponsoring Al-Qaeda. Face it: We attacked a sovereign nation, killing countless thousands of civillians, based on lies about "weapons of mass destruction." Now they hate us and that's doing more to fuel terrorism than anything else. In fact, there were more terrorist attacks last year than in any year in the past according to the government's own numbers.
We should have acted in concert with the U.N. and our allies. U.N. weapons inspections were taking place and our allies voted in favor of continuing those inspections. We should have let them run their course. Had we done that, we would have learned that there were no WMDs and could have avoided a war. But Bush wanted to attack and wasn't going to wait until his concocted reason for attacking was proven to be false.
There is an oil crisis looming and the US attempts to secure a huge oil field for long term strategy and you people bitch and whine.
It's just a giveaway to oil companies. Bush wants to hand over drilling rights in Alaska so that oil firms can sell the oil on the world market to the highest bidder. If China is willing to pay more, then the oil will go from Alaska to China. There's no guarantee that the oil will only be sold in the U.S. or that U.S. citizens will pay below-market rates for the oil extracted from those publically owned lands. The U.S. Geological Service says the amount of oil that could be recovered profitably in ANWR is roughly 3.2 billion barrels -- a six-month U.S. supply. Moreover, it would take 10 years for that oil to reach the pump, and even when production peaks in the year 2027, the refuge would produce less than 2 percent of the oil Americans are expected to use that year.
I never failed in business. I opened a consulting business, raked in money for quite a few years, and closed the business down when I took W2 employment. I do not need the dick stroking of an honorary degree to validate my life.
Open. Failed. Closed. Simple. To the point. Like at the end of The Matrix "SYSTEM FAILURE"
Sure John, whatever you say. Enjoy your little fantasy life and your imaginary company.
Good job Sherlock, you uttered on of the most common English names ever.
You were the one who said "Oil is commodity sold by {fabricated misquotes snipped}
OPEC doesn't have any effect on pricing. Yeah right. Your stupidity amazes me to no end.
So first you lie and say that I protested nuclear power when I did not. Then when confronted, you claim that people I support protest nuclear power. Kerry's Web site states that "nuclear power can play an essential role in providing affordable energy while reducing the risk of climate change." His aides also say he is for nuclear power.
You have supported people who oppose nuclear power. There is no question, this is by self admission.
That says a lot about how few people are willing to deal with someone like you since tech sector unemployment is higher now than it has been in decades according to reputable statistics and analysts.
None of which you can cite, none that cant be shown to show anything arbitrary by the survey taker. If its so bad here, be adventurous and move to a "real" growth economy. If you think John Kerry can fix our "fatally damaged system" by magically sprinkling fairy dust on the situation because he is merely the President, your an ignoramus to the nth degree.
Yes. Anyone, including you, is entitled to legally write off certain types of investments. If you put money into a 401K, that's a tax shelter and it's not "hiding" anything. John Kerry is for policies that will raise his taxes far more than yours. Unlike you, he's interested in the long-term good of the country, not just his own wallet. What's next? Criticizing him for writing off his charitable donations?
Kerry and Heinz stretched the legality of their deductions. Because of illegal payoffs to certain people, they will never be audited or shown to the fraudsters to the IRS or the vote fraudsters that they are. The only charities he has given to is to Vietnam's communist party and through Theresa, several organizations linked to terrorism.
As the 9/11 panel stated in their report, Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Nor was Iraq linked to sponsoring Al-Qaeda. Face it: We attacked a sovereign nation, killing countless thousands of civilians, based on lies about "weapons of mass destruction." Now they hate us and that's doing more to fuel terrorism than anything else. In fact, there were more terrorist attacks last year than in any year in the past according to the government's own numbers.
Flawed thinking. Saddam was ineffectively punished by the UN and the oil flow was down and there is a resource war going on because of people like you who consume. Had the UN been effective, Saddam would have been compliant and oil would have flowed. He chose his demise. Nothing to do with terror, its about a long term resource war which you are guilty of crating a demand for.
We should have acted in concert with the U.N. and our allies. U.N. weapons inspections were taking place and our allies voted in favor of continuing those inspections. We should have let them run their course. Had we done that, we would have learned that there were no WMDs and could have avoided a war. But Bush wanted to attack and wasn't going to wait until his concocted reason for attacking was proven to be false.
But Saddam would still be in power, and murdering people. The proper justification would have been the same one Clinton used for Serbia, mass murdering asshole needs to go, mass murdering asshole also does not comply with UN inspection and is crippling his
Not everybody "gets" technology. I'd even make the claim that you don't have to "get" technology to be a good or even a great leader. Leadership is something orthogonal to technology. Dick Cheney's flub about factcheck.com versus the correct factcheck.org is a good example. Sure, it would have been nice for him to get it right, but it was a reasonable mistake, and made me realize how brittle this whole web system is for getting out information to people.
As far as vietnam veteran's rights go, you owe it to youself to find out what happened in 1971 when Kerry came back and started spewing falsehoods about his fellow soldiers. Seriously, when his own compatriats are calling what he did treason, you have to stop and think about it.
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Good job Sherlock, you uttered on of the most common English names ever.
Okay, then how about John C. Randolph (jcr@_INSERTED_TO_PREVENT_SPAM_idiom.com -- because, unlike you, I am not a dick). Sound a bit closer?
Open. Failed. Closed. Simple. To the point.
It's not failed if it made money, which it did. I could have kept it open had I chosen to aggressively pursue clients, but I had the business acumen to know that I was better off waiting out the tech sector bust in a W2 job and then reopening my consulting business.
OPEC doesn't have any effect on pricing. Yeah right. Your stupidity amazes me to no end.
You're the fucking idiot who first called OPEC a "nation" and then said that OPEC sells oil. It does not. It controls price and supply but does not sell anything.
You have supported people who oppose nuclear power. There is no question, this is by self admission.
You lied and said that *I* protested nuclear power. No, I never admitted anything of the kind, you liar.
None of which you can cite, none that cant be shown to show anything arbitrary by the survey taker.
The IEEE-USA analyzed BLS numbers and reported the following high-tech employment trends on July 26:
* The number of employed software engineers in the U.S. dropped from 856,000 in the first quarter of 2004 to 725,000 in the second quarter.
* The number of computer scientists and systems analysts dropped from 672,000 in the first quarter to 621,000 in the second. An average of 722,000 people were employed as computer scientists and systems analysts during 2003.
* The number of people working as computer programmers dropped from 591,000 in the first quarter to 575,000 in the second.
* The number of employed computer hardware engineers dropped from 86,000 to 83,000 from the first quarter to the second.
Kerry and Heinz stretched the legality of their deductions.
If they are illegal, prove it or STFU
The only charities he has given to is to Vietnam's communist party and through Theresa, several organizations linked to terrorism.
You lie and fabricate. Show any evidence for your statement, liar. In his 2003 federal return, Kerry reported charitable donations of $43,735 on a total income of $395,338. In 2002, Kerry made charitable contributions of $18,600 on a total income of $144,091. In 2001, Kerry gave $22,370 to charity on a total income of $137,499. In 2000, he gave $19,221 on a total income of $137,012. And in 1999, he contributed $21,955 to charity on a total income of $140,928. That's a lot better than the donations you have made to Israeli terrorist organizations.
Flawed thinking. Saddam was ineffectively punished by the UN and the oil flow was down and there is a resource war going on because of people like you who consume.
My VW Golf diesel gets 45mpg. What does your car get? As to your claim, why did oil prices skyrocket since our war on Iraq if it was just normal global demand for oil?
But Saddam would still be in power, and murdering people.
So you think it's fine for a President to lie in order to get support for wars that he wants to wage? Since you are someone who blatantly lies for personal gain, I'm not surprised that you'd take that view.
The UN is watching people get murdered in Darfur, they do nothing to stop murderers.
You'll notice that Darfur has no significant quantities of oil, so Bush and Cheney are perfectly happy ignoring the genocide there.
You create a demand for that resource.
As do you. And I'm willing to pay for it. If it goes to $8/gallon, I'll pay for that oil and won't recommend sucking our reserves dry while oil is still available on the world market.
You are a hypocrite to say you do not demand these products,
That was just another of your lies since I never said anything of t
Okay, then how about John C. Randolph (jcr@_INSERTED_TO_PREVENT_SPAM_idiom.com -- because, unlike you, I am not a dick). Sound a bit closer?
Sherlock. Wow, you are a "finder" aren't you?
It's not failed if it made money, which it did. I could have kept it open had I chosen to aggressively pursue clients, but I had the business acumen to know that I was better off waiting out the tech sector bust in a W2 job and then reopening my consulting business.
There was only a bust for the incompetent or those seeking VC money. Real engineers always had a job the whole time. That wouldn't be you.
You're the fucking idiot who first called OPEC a "nation" and then said that OPEC sells oil. It does not. It controls price and supply but does not sell anything.
You are the fucking idiot here. Only a fucking drooling mongoloid idiot would assume someone saying "OPEC" sells meant it literally. I cant believe such a high level thinkers needs such details spelled out. Then again, you are a mental midget simpleton.
You lied and said that *I* protested nuclear power. No, I never admitted anything of the kind, you liar.
No, you support anti-nuclear candidates.
The IEEE-USA analyzed BLS numbers and reported the following high-tech employment trends on July 26: {snipped out of context fabrications}
No information on retirements, no information on the fact less people are going into engineering now and the last few years. No fresh blood plus retirements. Simple.
If they are illegal, prove it or STFU
Theresa giving to terrorist organizations is illegal in my book. A quick search of any news sources will highlight these blnuders.
You lie and fabricate. Show any evidence for your statement, liar. {snipped pure lies about Kerry tax returns}
No links. These are just numbers. Balderdash. Poppycock. Lies.
My VW Golf diesel gets 45mpg. What does your car get? As to your claim, why did oil prices skyrocket since our war on Iraq if it was just normal global demand for oil?
Caught you. You think if you drive something gas conserving you are fixing a problem. BZZT. Gas will be burned until it isn't economical to do so (taxing the shit out of this wont help). Poor understanding of things again. Sorry you are so partially educated and wrong all the time. Your 45 mpg is your feel good excuse, no one cares what you do - it isn't fixing the problem.
So you think it's fine for a President to lie in order to get support for wars that he wants to wage? Since you are someone who blatantly lies for personal gain, I'm not surprised that you'd take that view.
Bush and Kerry saw the same intelligence. Kerry authorized force. Kerry agreed initially to everything. He authorized in 1998. He authorized Bush. Now he lies about his own past. His own medals. His own betrayal of America, his own voting record. Bush received bad intelligence, as did Kerry.
You'll notice that Darfur has no significant quantities of oil, so Bush and Cheney are perfectly happy ignoring the genocide there.
No, the UN is perfectly happy doing nothing. People like you kick and scream like fucking pussies every time someone goes to free oppressed people an/or get resourced for the economy you leech off of. Hypocrite idiot.
As do you. And I'm willing to pay for it. If it goes to $8/gallon, I'll pay for that oil and won't recommend sucking our reserves dry while oil is still available on the world market.
Doesn't fix the root power problem. Foolish ignoramus response. You would fuck the working class you claim to love the MOST with this ridiculous elitist bullshit philosophy. How they supposed to get to work, Daddy Warbux?
That was just another of your lies since I never said anything of the kind.
Let's get one thing straight, you are the liar and the fact twisting sicko here, not me.
Read it you communist and Weep.
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Employment Growth Accelerated in October: U.S. Economy Preview
Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) - U.S. employers probably added 175,000 workers to payrolls in October, the most in five months, while the unemployment rate held at a three-year low of 5.4 percent, the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of economists shows.
The Labor Department's report will be released three days after the Nov. 2 presidential election, which polls show is a toss- up. President George W. Bush says his tax cuts have helped the economy, while Democratic challenger John Kerry says they haven't boosted jobs.
"The focus this week will be jobs related - will President Bush keep his job and by how much will payrolls rebound in October," said Joseph Abate, senior U.S. economist at Lehman Brothers Inc. in New York.
The projected employment gain would follow September's rise of 96,000, less than forecast in part because of hurricanes in the Southeast. Faster job growth is needed to help boost incomes, spending and the economy. A Commerce Department report tomorrow is forecast to show Americans spent more than they earned last month.
Employment growth cooled from earlier this year, when a quarter million jobs a month were added through May. Less job growth in September probably helped hold incomes to a 0.3 percent gain during the month, according to the median forecast in a Bloomberg survey. Personal spending probably rose twice as much as incomes last month, the survey showed.
Fed Policy
The jobs statistics will be the last Federal Reserve policy makers will see before their Nov. 10 meeting. All 46 economists in a Bloomberg News survey forecast central bankers to raise their benchmark overnight lending rate a quarter point to 2 percent. Fed officials have signaled as much in recent comments.
"No doubt, the recent run-up in energy prices poses some challenges, but the evidence indicates that, without some further material shock, aggregate demand is on track, consistent with sustained economic growth," Fed Vice Chairman Roger Ferguson said in a speech two days ago.
Manufacturing, responding to increased third-quarter consumer demand and business spending on equipment, probably expanded in October, a report tomorrow is forecast to show. The Institute of Supply Management's gauge of factory activity is forecast to hold at 58.5 in October. Readings above 50 signal expansion and the index has shown growth since May 2003.
A survey last week showed that record crude oil prices have so far led to little change in corporate spending plans. More said they plan to boost spending instead of reduce it. Eighty-six percent of manufacturers said their "spending plans are little changed" this year, according to the National Association for Business Economics. Ten percent expect to buy more business equipment, while 5 percent said they plan to reduce spending.
Energy Costs
People are drawing down savings to spend at a time when energy costs have increased. Energy prices may increase consumers' fuel bills by $60 billion and may subtract as much as 0.9 percentage point from fourth-quarter growth, according to an Oct. 22 research report by economists at Citigroup Global Markets Inc.
"We are seeing retail as OK," said Joseph Galli, chief executive of Newell Rubbermaid Inc., the maker of Rubbermaid plastic containers, in an interview last week. "For our products it certainly hasn't been gangbusters, but its held up OK."
The economy grew 3.7 percent at an annual rate in the third quarter after a 3.3 percent pace in the second, the government said two days ago. Consumer spending rose at a 4.6 percent annual rate, almost three times the pace of the prior quarter. Since 2001, the economy has grown an average 3.5 percent, faster than the 3.2 percent average since 1970.
`Rapid Expansion'
FMaxwell is making a career of being a propagandist liar. Everything he says is non-truth and pure lies.
Never miss a chance to attack the man and not the idea. Usually a sign of desparation.
Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by an Ex-JAG Officer
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
November 1, 2004
A former officer in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve has built a case that Senator Kerry was other than honorably discharged from the Navy by 1975, The New York Sun has learned.
The "honorable discharge" on the Kerry Web site appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Mr. Kerry's record, according to Mark Sullivan, who retired as a captain in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve in 2003 after 33 years of service as a judge advocate. Mr. Sullivan served in the office of the Secretary of the Navy between 1975 and 1977.
On behalf of the Kerry campaign, Michael Meehan and others have repeatedly insisted that all of Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site atjohnkerry.com, except for his medical records.
"If that is the case," Mr. Sullivan said, "the true story isn't what was on the Web site. It's what's missing. There should have been an honorable discharge certificate issued to Kerry in 1975,if not earlier, three years after his transfer to the Standby Reserve-Inactive."
Another retired Navy Reserve officer, who served three tours in the Navy's Bureau of Personnel, points out that there should also have been a certified letter giving Mr. Kerry a choice of a reserve reaffiliation or separation and discharge. If Mr. Meehan is correct and all the documents are indeed on the Web site, the absence of any documents from 1972 to 1978 in the posted Kerry files is a glaring hole in the record.
The applicable U.S. Navy regulation, now found at MILPERSMAN 1920-210 "Types of Discharge for Officers," lists five examples of conditions required to receive an honorable discharge certificate, four required to receive a general discharge "not of such a nature as to require discharge under conditions other than honorable," and seven for "the lowest type of separation from the naval service. It is now officially in all respects equivalent to a dishonorable discharge."
Kerry spokesmen have also repeatedly said that the senator has an honorable discharge. And there is indeed a cover letter to an honorable discharge dated February 16,1978,on the Kerry Web site. It is in form and reference to regulation exactly the same as one granted Swiftboat Veterans for Truth member Robert Shirley on March 12, 1971, during a periodic "reduction in force (RIF)" by the Naval Reserve. The only significant difference between Mr. Kerry's and Mr. Shirley's is the signature information and the dates. In a RIF, officers who no longer have skills or are of an age group the Navy wishes to keep in reserve are involuntarily separated by the Navy and given their appropriate discharge. This is a normal and ongoing activity and there is no stigma attached to it.
Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged.
"Mr. Meehan may well be right and all Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site," Mr. Sullivan said. "Unlike en listed members, officers do not receive other than honorable, or dishonorable, certificates of discharge. To the contrary, the rule is that no certificate will be awarded to an officer separated wherever the circumstances prompting separation are not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of honor. The absence of an honorable discharge certificate for a separated naval officer is, therefore, a harsh and severe sanction and is, in fact, the treatment given officers who are dismissed after a general court-martial."
With the only discharge document cited by Mr. Kerry issued in 1978, three years after the last date it should have been issued, the absence of a certificate from 1975 leaves only two possibilities. Either Mr. Kerry received an "other than honorable" certificate that has been removed in a review purging it from his records, or even
Another story like Bud Day, medal of honor recipient, and many many former servicemen join in denoucing Kerry while leftists scream conspiracy and blame Karl Rove.
Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by an Ex-JAG Officer
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
November 1, 2004
A former officer in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve has built a case that Senator Kerry was other than honorably discharged from the Navy by 1975, The New York Sun has learned.
The "honorable discharge" on the Kerry Web site appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Mr. Kerry's record, according to Mark Sullivan, who retired as a captain in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve in 2003 after 33 years of service as a judge advocate. Mr. Sullivan served in the office of the Secretary of the Navy between 1975 and 1977.
On behalf of the Kerry campaign, Michael Meehan and others have repeatedly insisted that all of Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site atjohnkerry.com, except for his medical records.
"If that is the case," Mr. Sullivan said, "the true story isn't what was on the Web site. It's what's missing. There should have been an honorable discharge certificate issued to Kerry in 1975,if not earlier, three years after his transfer to the Standby Reserve-Inactive."
Another retired Navy Reserve officer, who served three tours in the Navy's Bureau of Personnel, points out that there should also have been a certified letter giving Mr. Kerry a choice of a reserve reaffiliation or separation and discharge. If Mr. Meehan is correct and all the documents are indeed on the Web site, the absence of any documents from 1972 to 1978 in the posted Kerry files is a glaring hole in the record.
The applicable U.S. Navy regulation, now found at MILPERSMAN 1920-210 "Types of Discharge for Officers," lists five examples of conditions required to receive an honorable discharge certificate, four required to receive a general discharge "not of such a nature as to require discharge under conditions other than honorable," and seven for "the lowest type of separation from the naval service. It is now officially in all respects equivalent to a dishonorable discharge."
Kerry spokesmen have also repeatedly said that the senator has an honorable discharge. And there is indeed a cover letter to an honorable discharge dated February 16,1978,on the Kerry Web site. It is in form and reference to regulation exactly the same as one granted Swiftboat Veterans for Truth member Robert Shirley on March 12, 1971, during a periodic "reduction in force (RIF)" by the Naval Reserve. The only significant difference between Mr. Kerry's and Mr. Shirley's is the signature information and the dates. In a RIF, officers who no longer have skills or are of an age group the Navy wishes to keep in reserve are involuntarily separated by the Navy and given their appropriate discharge. This is a normal and ongoing activity and there is no stigma attached to it.
Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged.
"Mr. Meehan may well be right and all Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site," Mr. Sullivan said. "Unlike en listed members, officers do not receive other than honorable, or dishonorable, certificates of discharge. To the contrary, the rule is that no certificate will be awarded to an officer separated wherever the circumstances prompting separation are not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of honor. The absence of an honorable discharge certificate for a separated naval officer is, therefore, a harsh and severe sanction and is, in fact, the treatment given officers who are dismissed after a general court-martial."
With the only discharge document cited by Mr. Kerry issued in 1978, three years after the last date it should have been issued, the absence of a certificate from 1975 leaves only two possibilities. Either Mr. K
In Tampa, Bush brought out a Gulf War hero, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, who introduced Bush to about 8,000 people by drawing a sharp contrast between him and the Massachusetts senator.
"The difference between them and us is very simple: we do have a leader and that leader knows how to go about defeating terrorism," the retired general said.
Bush attacked Kerry as a tax-and-spend liberal, too inconsistent to be trusted to become the commander in chief. "He can run from his liberal record, but he cannot hide," Bush said.
He said Kerry had put himself into the "flip-flop hall of fame" after first voting for a version of an $87 billion funding bill mostly for the U.S. military in Iraq and then voting against it.
Ohio Democrats Score Major Coup for Vote Fraud
More - Provisional Ballots: How to Steal an Election
Psst: Hey, wanna vote in as many precincts as you can visit in one day? If you live in the crucial battleground state of Ohio, you can!
"In a victory for the Democrats, a federal judge ruled Thursday that Ohio voters who show up at the wrong polling place on Election Day can still cast ballots as long as they are in the county where they are registered," the Associated Press reported.
Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican, had correctly noted that state law required poll workers to send wayward voters to the right precinct.
U.S. District Judge James Carr, nominated to the judiciary by Bill Clinton in 1994, decreed in Toledo that people may cast so-called provisional ballots in the wrong precinct. The only thing that has to be correct is the county. Let's see, how many precincts does Cuyahoga County have?
"Lessened participation at the polls diminishes the vitality of our democracy," Carr said.
He failed to note that massive fraud at the polls diminishes the vitality of our republic.
Even if the Democrat judge hadn't ruled in his party's favor, Democrat-run counties had planned to violate state law anyway.
"Nobody is going to be turned away at the polling location," Michael Vu, director of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer on Monday.
Really? Not even illegal aliens or non-residents or dead people? Seems Chicago-style antics are spreading.
Citizens who don't want the election to be stolen will supposedly be allowed to challenge all the bogus provisional ballots later, after the Democrats have carried out their threat to unleash their mobs of lawyers.
P.S.: In the nation's other most hotly contested state, Florida, Democrats and their thuggish, increasingly violence-prone allies in Big Labor are urging the Democrat-run state Supreme Court (yes, the same court that abetted Al Gore's failed coup attempt in 2000) to issue a similar ruling.
Judge Rules for Democrats in Dispute Over Ohio Voting
Posted: 10/17
From: New York Times
By James Dao and Kate Zernike
Columbus, Ohio - A federal judge in Toledo ordered this state's Republican secretary of state on Thursday to count so-called provisional ballots filed in the wrong precincts, a victory for Democrats who contend such ballots are more likely to be cast by low-income and minority voters than others.
The ruling, which could prove crucial in a close election, came as partisan battles over voting rules and voter registration escalated in swing states across the nation.
In Oregon and Nevada, officials were looking into claims that a voter registration company owned by a Republican strategist had shredded Democratic forms or pressed voters to register Republican.
The decision Thursday, by Judge James G. Carr of United States District Court in Toledo, blocked a directive by J. Kenneth Blackwell, the secretary of state, that election workers not give provisional ballots to people who appear at the wrong precincts.
A 2002 law says that voters whose names do not appear on a precinct's rolls should be given provisional ballots, which require them to sign affidavits saying they are eligible to vote in that "jurisdiction." Their votes are set aside while election workers determine whether those people are eligible to vote.
Provisional ballots are meant to ensure that people are not disenfranchised because of administrative errors or because they moved.
Under Mr. Blackwell's directive, the word "jurisdiction" was interpreted to mean precinct, and he ordered that provisional ballots not be given to voters who turned up at the wrong precincts. He said polling workers should instead direct those people to the correct polling stations.
But the Ohio Democratic Party sued, saying that in Election Day confusion, voters might be unable to locate their correct prec
When Matt Stone said on Leno, uninformed people stay home, dont vote, the Democrats went fucking nuts. They are the ones recruiting people with shit like rock the vote, and voteswap, and votesex, and paying inner city folk for votes. Its the democrats that rely on stupid voters.
So, fmaxwell, it is proven that Democrats rely on uninformed voting to win using class warfare plays from a 40 years old ragged and tattered playbook.
Matt Stone has really stirred up a hornet*s nest. The co-creator of Comedy Central*s controversial *South Park* cartoon has a new movie out, *Team America, World Police.* The puppet film is filled with violence, sex, foul language and features a black panther ripping to shreds actor/international terrorism expert Sean Penn.
But that*s NOT what got under Penn*s skin. No, it was Stone*s suggestion that clueless people maybe shouldn*t vote. *My whole thing is I just wish uninformed people would just stay home,* Stone told the Associated Press. *If you don't know who you're going to vote for, there's no shame in not voting.*
Whoa! Can he actually SAY that?
The notion that people in this country have an obligation to show up and cast a ballot on election day is a sacred cow. Government officials from coast-to-coast spend millions, if not billions, of dollars every election cycle urging people to do their *civic duty* and get out and vote.
Why? Why should fully informed and actively involved citizens such as you and I have our votes cancelled out just because some clueless melon-head has been persuaded by Puff Daddy that he had better *Vote or Die*?
There is no *civic duty* to vote. But what there SHOULD be is an obligation to cast an INFORMED vote. Folks like Puff Daddy, Michael Moore and Sean Penn are doing the country a terrible disservice by badgering, coaxing and even bribing boobs and bozos into the polling booth. Stone is absolutely correct. These people should stay home, wash their car, darn their socks, fix their hair*anything but vote.
Thankfully, more and more responsible people are coming out and saying just that. Columnist Thomas Sowell recently wrote, *A citizen who cannot be bothered to learn the facts about the issues, not just media spin or party propaganda, is doing a disservice by voting.* And columnist Catherine Seipp asks, *Why should the lazy-idiot demographic be encouraged to influence society even more than it already does?*
Then there*s this from talk-show host Neal Boortz: *Let's get about the job of limiting voting to people who actually have a clue. If you claim to be *undecided* at this point in this particular election you fall into that *don't have a clue* category. Do future generations of Americans a favor and stay home on election day.* Indeed.
Over the summer I caught a column by Bob Maginnis in the Hagerstown (Md.) Herald Mail. He wrote about a 24-year-old named Michael Myers who has never voted in his life and who wanted folks to tell him why he should. After reading this melon-head*s *thoughts* on current events and public policy, my answer to Mr. Myers is simple: Don*t. PLEASE don*t.
Myers* says he*s willing to pay higher taxes in order to adopt a national health care system such as Canada*s. He believes you *have to be a wealthy person to run for office* and thought the Democrat presidential candidate who was most in tune with the average guy was race-hustler Al Sharpton. Myers also believes the Iraq war was all about boosting the economy and suspects that President Bush won the 2000 election simply because his brother was governor of Florida. He also thinks perhaps the Green Party should be funded by the government to give its candidates a chance to win.
Good grief. Uneducated and ill-informed citizens such as Mike Myers are exactly the reason why we have the cradle-to-grave nanny-state Great Society government we have today.
All rights come with responsibilities. Sure people like Mike Myers have the *right* to vote, but they also have an obligation to do so r
I know what you are up to, you neo-Nazi loser. You announce that you are Jewish and then play into all of the bigoted stereotypes about Jews being obnoxious, arrogant, thinking they are better than everyone else, etc. in order to foment anti-semetism. Well, it won't work with me because I know way too many Jewish people to fall for your little scheme. Unlike you, they are decent, respectable people.
Sherlock. Wow, you are a "finder" aren't you?
It was easy. You have a unique combination of irrationality, ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, and cowardice.
There was only a bust for the incompetent or those seeking VC money. Real engineers always had a job the whole time. That wouldn't be you.
You aren't a "real engineer." You are just a low-level coder boy. Don't flatter yourself.
Only a fucking drooling mongoloid idiot would assume someone saying "OPEC" sells meant it literally.
Don't blame me for your inability to express yourself clearly. And please stop using offensive ethnic slurs, Nazi-boy.
No, you support anti-nuclear candidates.
But you lied and said that *I* protested nuclear power.
No information on retirements, no information on the fact less people are going into engineering now and the last few years. No fresh blood plus retirements. Simple.
Yes, you are simple if you believe that 15% of software engineers retired in one quarter. Moron.
Theresa giving to terrorist organizations is illegal in my book. A quick search of any news sources will highlight these blnuders[sic].
Here's a solid debunking of your idiotic claim.
No links. These are just numbers. Balderdash. Poppycock. Lies.
You provide no links because you are lying and no reputable links support your lies.
Your 45 mpg is your feel good excuse, no one cares what you do - it isn't fixing the problem.
Yes, it is fixing the problem. It's reducing world demand for oil.
Bush and Kerry saw the same intelligence. Kerry authorized force.
Kerry authorized Bush to use force in the hopes that Bush would be smart enough to use it to pressure Saddam.
His own medals. His own betrayal of America, his own voting record.
Kerry earned medals in Vietnam. Bush had daddy pull strings to keep him out of 'Nam, went AWOL from the Air National Guard, got busted for DUI, and snorted crack cocaine. And he's your boy!
No, the UN is perfectly happy doing nothing. People like you kick and scream like fucking pussies every time someone goes to free oppressed people an/or get resourced for the economy you leech off of.
Nice try at ducking the point, but Bush/Cheney are letting genocide occur in Darfur because there is no oil there. You may support attacking sovereign nations to steal their natural resources, but I do not.
Doesn't fix the root power problem. Foolish ignoramus response. You would fuck the working class you claim to love the MOST with this ridiculous elitist bullshit philosophy. How they supposed to get to work, Daddy Warbux?
By purchasing fuel-efficient cars, moron. That reduces demand, which results in lower oil prices.
Let's get one thing straight, you are the liar and the fact twisting sicko here, not me.
Nice try, but I caught you in yet another lie.
If it was economical, it would be competing already.
So why is Bush spending our tax money on hydrogen fueled cars? If they were economical, they would be competing already. People don't tend to buy cars that use biodiesel if biodiesel isn't readily available. Fuel station owners aren't going to sell biodiesel if there isn't much demand. That's why tax incentives can get the ball rolling -- much as Bush claims to be doing with hydrogen-fueled vehicles.
I wrote:{lies
Here are the only 11 bills ever passed with John Kerry's name on them:
99th Congress: A concurrent resolution expressing solidarity with the Sakharov family (who?)
100th Congress: None
101st Congress: A joint resolution designating a week in Oct 1989 as "World Population Awareness week"
102nd Congress: Another joint resolution designating week in Oct 1999 as "World Population Awareness week"
A joint resolution designating Nov 13, 1992 as "Vietnam Veterans Memorial 10th Anniversary Day"
A joint resolution designating September 18, 1992 as "National POW/MIA recognition day"
A bill to authorize appropriations to carry out the National Sea Grant College Program Act
103rd Congress: A bill to re-designate a federal Building as the "Frederick C. Murphy Federal Center"
A bill to authorize appropriations for the Marine Mammal Protection act
104th Congress: None
105th Congress: None
106th Congress: A bill to amend the Small Business Act with respect to the Women's Business center program
107th Congress: A bill to reauthorize the Small Business Technology Transfer program
108th Congress: A bill to award a congressional gold medal to Jackie Robinson.
This is Senator Kerry's total record of achievement in his 20 years in the U.S. Senate.
Its all Bush's Fault...Twisting of the Truth
So who is to blame for 9/11? Who is to blame for the current situation in Iraq. Well if you listen to the hysterical media, you would believe everything, is Bush's fault. But this is a case of those who yell the loudest have the most to hide. So lets look at this.
According to what the sheeples are fed nightly on the news, they expect us to believe its the Presidents fault. I believe its the TERRORISTS fault. I'm not a 9/11 family but I do know a few, who aren't not bought and paid for by the DNC and the too think its the TERRORISTS who are responsible. But to here the media's version its Bush's fault.
But it even goes beyond this and frankly I wish the RNC had to guts to call John Kerry and Ted Kennedy and for that matter the peace protesters what they are.... Traitors! Its not about the right to disagree, although that's what the Left wants everyone to think. To exercise that right you should do it responsibly. Likening Iraq to Vietnam isn't responsible. Saying that we need to ask the UN to take this over isn't responsible. Its grandstanding and selling our sovereignty to those who were corrupt and raking in cash, under the auspice of food for oil.
Additionally I'm going to submit that the limited response to the recent burning of US citizen's bodies and the recent kidnappings is because of this limited response. The left in the US is more worried about the wommmennnn and CHILLL-dren of Iraq than they are about the woman and children of the US. The President's hands keep getting tied. He is dammed by the left if he does and damned by the right if he doesn't again. Further examples of treason. By politicizing this war, the left is undermining the security of our nation.
So who really is at fault, Bush or the Terrorists in the Middle East and the Terrorists in Washington. If the left was truly patriotic they would be appalled by the behavior of Fallujah not condoning it and passing rhetoric ideas to the enemy's leadership, which was then parroted by the enemy leadership. They would not dare to undermine the security of the nation or the troops. And they would stop publicly attaching the President, only giving comfort to the enemy.
Frankly as every day goes by I am more and more disgusted by the Democrats. Even if I would consider voting for John Kerry because I'm mad at the President for the amnesty policy, Kerry's bad behavior has only cemented in my mind why despite the Amnesty Policy and the Spending spree, I must vote for Bush even if the 9/11 commission determines that he drove all 4 9/11 planes simultaneously. As a thinking person, I know that the terrorists are to blame. Not
Another staggering defeat of FATAC, Fuckface and the Ambulance Chaser:t in.iraq/
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/18/pu
Putin urges voters to back Bush
By CNN Moscow Bureau Chief Jill Dougherty
Monday, October 18, 2004 Posted: 1108 GMT (1908 HKT)
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin says terrorist attacks in Iraq are aimed at preventing the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and that a Bush defeat "could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."
Putin, speaking Central Asian Cooperation Organization summit in Tajikistan Monday, made his most overt comments of support so far for the re-election of Bush for a second term.
"Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush," Putin said.
"International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.
"If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition," Putin said.
"In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."
Putin noted that American voters will not decide the election just on Iraq.
"Because of this we must take a realistic approach and be prepared for any development of events," he said. "We respect any choice the American people will make."
President Putin made it clear Russia remained opposed to the war in Iraq.
"Today, our views on that differ from the views of President Bush," he said.
From what I see, he's the one posting legit links, facts, and figures and it looks like he's caught you in many lies.
They've both been accused of corruption, clamping down on free speech, and tampering with elections. The big difference is that Putin still thinks that the war on Iraq was wrong.
Look at the facts from the 2000 election:
>These are the top ten states rated by percentage of residents over 25 with bachelor's degrees or higher and who they voted for:
1 Colorado Bush
Massachusetts Gore
Maryland Gore
Virginia Bush
Connecticut Gore
Minnesota Gore
New Hampshire Bush
New Jersey Gore
Vermont Gore
New York Gore
And now for the bottom ten states (those with the smallest percentage of residents over 25 with bachelor's degrees or higher):
Wyoming Bush
Kentucky Bush
Alabama Bush
Idaho Bush
Nevada Bush
South Carolina Bush
Mississippi Bush
Arkansas Bush
Indiana Bush
50 West Virginia Bush
So it looks like Gore was the strong favorite in states where the population was educated while Bush was the candidate of choice in states where education was low.
I know what you are up to, you neo-Nazi loser. You announce that you are Jewish and then play into all of the bigoted stereotypes about Jews being obnoxious, arrogant, thinking they are better than everyone else, etc. in order to foment anti-semetism. Well, it won't work with me because I know way too many Jewish people to fall for your little scheme. Unlike you, they are decent, respectable people.
I am Jewish, and you are highly offensive. You are so off on this. And you being a Liberal you should know to not drag me and my religion through the mud. Baruch Atoi Adonai Elohenu And I believe in G*D not you!
It was easy. You have a unique combination of irrationality, ignorance, bigotry, paranoia, and cowardice.
I doubt your powers.
You aren't a "real engineer." You are just a low-level coder boy. Don't flatter yourself.
Neither are you. You are self proclaimed. I do not walk around proclaiming myself to have degrees I do not possess. You actively commit fraud by claming to be something you have no degree. Fraud.
Don't blame me for your inability to express yourself clearly. And please stop using offensive ethnic slurs, Nazi-boy.
You are the one who constantly slurs PEOPLE and not groups. You care more about GROUPS than individuals. That is what makes you SICK, and that is what makes you totalitarian. You prove my point OVER and OVER and OVER. Damn. As for expressing myself clearly, I can't believe how inferior your ability to pick up things in context is.
But you lied and said that *I* protested nuclear power.
You did and do vicariously by supporting candidates that trounce upon it at every given opportunity.
Yes, you are simple if you believe that 15% of software engineers retired in one quarter. Moron. No, but you don't know what effect that has, you don't know the enrollment rate, you know nothing of the statistics. You just bleat-repeat garbage you hear and chose to believe without any fact verification. You are a programmed automaton.
Here's a solid debunking of your idiotic claim.
This is, for the audience listening, nothing of the sort. This link proves nothing. It is erroneous, arbitrary and preposterous.
You provide no links because you are lying and no reputable links support your lies.
I've linked for you in other replies. You rarely link, you re-paste because you know that all the links from Molly Ivins, Mike Moore and Al Franken sites.
Yes, it is fixing the problem. It's reducing world demand for oil.
You don't get it. Do you actually believe in a world wit 6 BILLION people that every single last drop of accessible fossil fuel is NOT going to burned given that its apparently, according to the laws of economics, one of the cheapest energy sources viable and available today. The ONLY thing you can say you are doing is changing the exact moment that petrol is NO LONGER EVER USED FOR POWER by anyone ever again by maybe a few seconds later that day it becomes deprecated. That's it. You DO NOT get off the hook.
Kerry authorized Bush to use force in the hopes that Bush would be smart enough to use it to pressure Saddam.
I can't think of any better pressure than capture and death of his Sons especially that sicko Uday that murdered countless people and athletes.
Kerry earned medals in Vietnam. Bush had daddy pull strings to keep him out of 'Nam, went AWOL from the Air National Guard, got busted for DUI, and snorted crack cocaine. And he's your boy!
Kerry won't sign form 180. Simple, he was dishonorably discharged. Bush was not. Bush had CBS documents FORGED against him by you and the Kerry campaign. That's how sick you are. Kerry is honored by the communist government in Ho Chih Minh city. Even Hanoi Jane Fonda APOLOGIZED, Kerry never did. You man was a traitor to America, its constitution, its military and his honor. This takes a fanatic to deny. A brainwashed fanatic.
Nice try a
Simply because he lost a good buyer of military goods while undermining the toothless UN embargo. Now Putin needs Bush to work on removing the terrorist threat, not some flip-flopping "coalition building" asshole with no spine. Even Putin knows when to quit, you don't.
These statistics prove several things about you. First, you quote statistics without any sort of breakdown. No means or medians. No numbers. Just rankings which are arbitrary without any method of derivation.
What happens is that in Democrat stronghold states, regardless or education level, is that Democrats go the poor and minority groups and make false promises for their vote using age old class warfare plays which are based on pure lies. The Democrats tokenize and take for granted minorities and poor.
Also, you seem to think that smart people are more entitled to vote and chose leaders than "dumb" people. This is arrogant to think you can think for others. You are proving my point over and over, you serve the totalitarian collective and think little of individuals, especially if you or the collective's statistics deems them "dumb."
All your arguments are so fundamentally flawed its amusing. With every post you prove me more and more correct to the point where its without a doubt: You are a left-wing totalitarian and thought fascist.
Chime in some more!
When I began writing this post, I had the notion that I would write about something positive and optimistic instead of going on about how insensitive Fmaxwell is. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of anything particularly positive to write about. So, instead, I'll just tell you that Fmaxwell shows a curious unwillingness to mention a bit about mingy airheads such as Fmaxwell. Although not without overlap and simplification, I plan to identify three primary positions on Fmaxwell's principles. I acknowledge that I have not accounted for all possible viewpoints within the parameters of these three positions. Nevertheless, it's Fmaxwell's belief that my letters demonstrate a desire to provide the pretext for police-state measures. I can't understand how anyone could go from anything I ever wrote to such an amoral, ignominious idea. In fact, my letters generally make the diametrically opposite claim, that Fmaxwell presents himself as a disinterested classicist lamenting the infusion of politically motivated methods of pedagogy and analysis into higher education. He is eloquent in his denunciation of modern scholarship, claiming it favors inconsiderate low-lifes. And here we have the ultimate irony, because I like to speak of him as "negligent". That's a reasonable term to use, I maintain, but let's now try to understand it a little better. For starters, I have a message for Fmaxwell. My message is that, for the good of us all, he should never shackle us with the chains of interdenominationalism. He should never even try to do such a haughty thing. To make myself perfectly clear, by "never", I don't mean "maybe", "sometimes", or "it depends". I mean only that Fmaxwell is capable of only two things, namely whining and underhanded tricks. Fmaxwell has lost what little credibility he once had. I state these facts only to give a bit of personal background as to why at no time in the past did infernal flibbertigibbets shamble through the streets of cities, demanding rights they imagine some supernatural power has bestowed upon them.
Many people aren't aware of how crafty his prank phone calls are, so let's present a little breakdown. First off, if he thinks his equivocations represent progress, Fmaxwell should rethink his definition of progress. Should we be concerned that he wants to let randy, prissy leeches run rampant through the streets? I'll answer that question for you: Yes, we should doubtlessly be concerned, because what he is doing is not an innocent, recreational sort of thing. It is a criminal activity, it is an immoral activity, it is a socially destructive activity, and it is a profoundly postmodernist activity.
If Fate desired that Fmaxwell make a correct application of what he had read about vandalism, it would have to indicate title and page number, since the malodorous fool would otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, Fmaxwell tries to make us think the way he wants us to think, not by showing us evidence and reasoning with us, but by understanding how to push our emotional buttons. We will have to become much more vigilant to ensure that he doesn't procure explosive devices, gasoline, and detonators for use in an upcoming campaign of terror. I do not intend this letter to be in any way misinterpreted as a personal attack on Fmaxwell. He will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if he didn't, you might come to realize that he says he's going to promote narrow-minded ideologies, such as obstructionism, before long. Good old Fmaxwell. He just loves to open his mouth and let all kinds of things come out without listening to how loud they sound. I hate his constant misuse of historical analogies. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. An inner voice tells me that Fmaxwell is extraordinarily brazen. We've all known that for a long time. However, his willingness to utilize questionable and illegal fund-raising techniques sets
A (US federal) bill that passes both the House and Senate becomes law under only two conditions: 1. The president signs it into law, or 2. The bill gets at least a two-thirds vote in each house.
Where do you get that idea? From U.S. Const. I.7: "If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law."
A friend of mine sent me a link to the parent post, and I feel it necessary to state for the record:
1) I am not the AC with whom fmaxwell is having this argument. When I argue with someone, even if that argument escalates into a flamewar, I do not do so from the cover of anonymity.
2) I had a little dust-up here on slashdot with fmaxwell a few weeks back on the subject of H1-B visas. Anyone who's interested can track it down, I suppose. It's expired off of my recent posts lists, and I don't know offhand how to dig it up.
3) In the course of that discussion, I became convinced that fmaxwell is someone who loves to dish it out, but can't take it. I found his behavior disturbing, and have not responded to any of his posts since that time, until writing this particular message.
4) Unlike the AC with whom fmaxwell is arguing in this thread, I am entirely aware of what OPEC is and does. It is a trade cartel, whose members are some of the countries that sell oil on the global market.
As it happens, they are both are mistaken about the function of OPEC: OPEC is a forum in which the members negotiate production quotas (which they may or may not honor, there's always a lot of cheating going on), which quotas affect, but do NOT *determine* the price of oil. OPEC's members possess about 3/4 of the world's proven oil reserves, and they account for something less than half of the world's oil production. Oil prices change from minute to minute on the market, and are affected by many variables, including (for example) the state of the global economy, the weather, consumer demand for larger or smaller vehicles, changes in goverment policies, improvements in extraction technology by domestic suppliers, developments in alternative energy supplies, etc. (I learned a bit about the oil and other commodities markets when I worked on trading systems in NYC.)
Regarding the ANWR: I really don't have any strong feelings about it. Generally, I'm opposed to the practice that Teddy Roosevelt started of claiming vast tracts of land as "government property", because it necessarily distorts the process of deciding what to do with the land in question. If someone wants to preserve open spaces, they should buy land and leave it undeveloped (like the Nature Conservancy does), rather than make it a political football.
5) I do not carry a concealed weapon, because I live in an area where I don't feel a need to do so. If I still lived in Manhattan, I might feel differently. I do hope that many of fmaxwell's neighbors are armed, wherever he may happen to live.
I support the right to bear arms for one overiding reason, which is that government has a different set of options available to it when the people are armed, than when the people are unarmed. The founders of this country had overthrown their legal sovereign by force of arms, and they wisely chose to preserve for the people, the power to apply deadly force in dire straits. Trial by Jury, and the right to keep and bear arms, are the ultimate checks on the power of the state by the public at large.
Also, about the idea of a gun being a "penis substitute": I think that whenever anyone trots out that pop-psych 101 canard, what they're really saying is what a gun is to *them*. For me a gun is a tool with no more symbolic significance than an amplifier or a belt-sander.
6) On the subject of nuclear power: I am neither for nor against nuclear power per se; I believe that it should compete in the market like any other energy source. I do call for the repeal of the Price-Anderson act, which caps the liability for a nuclear power accident at $200 million. If the underwriters of a nuclear power plant had to face the *full* liability potential, then we'd either get nuclear power that is safe enough to convince those with billions to lose if a plant melts down, or we'll get no nuclear power because the risk proves untenable in the market. Either way, it would be far better than what we have now, which is a nucl
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
To quote Alex Kozinski - he said history would be vastly different had American slaves or Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto been able to arm themselves.
"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for re-election and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees," wrote Judge Kozinski, a native of Romania. "However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once," he wrote.
While all this is true, it does ignore the other critically important purpose for keeping arms in private hands, which is to deter crime. It doesn't take many people arming themselves before the risk/benefit situation for burglary changes quite a bit.
The fact is, that the police are unable to protect us. They can retaliate against a wrongdoer after a crime has already happened, but when someone goes berserk and starts shooting up a school or an office, the *best* hope for the people he wants to kill is for another person (hopefully several other people) to *also* be armed.
When that nutcase shot up the commuter train on long island a few years ago, he reloaded twice before the passengers realized he wasn't going to stop, and that they had nothing to lose by mobbing him. If even one other person on that train had been armed, he would have had fewer victims.
Trying to disarm everyone discards the natural advantage of good people outnumbering bad people.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."