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GarconDuMonde writes "Reporters San Frontiers has released it's third annual worldwide index of press freedom. Although the majority of top-ranking countries are from northern Europe, it is perhaps more interesting to note where countries such as Switzerland, Italy, the UK and the USA fall (1, 39, 28 and 22, respectively)."

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  1. Isn't Switzerland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The country responsible for getting the Indymedia servers pulled?

  2. Americans talk about freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... but don't practice it. It's pretty sad when you have to cringe every time you hear "... land of the free ..." Not that the U.S. is a bad place to live, mind you. The United States is the best place to live if you happen to like money.

    1. Re:Americans talk about freedom by mpw2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speak for yourself... I never cringe when I hear "... land of the free ..." ... neither do my Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, Protestant and atheist classmates that are all allowed to believe and practice their faiths exactly as they wish.

    2. Re:Americans talk about freedom by davesplace1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      America has good freedom of the press unless you are taking about "Adult" subjects. Then it is problly illegal in South Carolina.

    3. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That sort of makes the OP's point for them.
      Guess what? There are many many other countries where that very same situation applies.

      I think the OP was saying that Americans love to pretend they are the only country that gets it right when it comes to ensuring people's freedoms.

      But the truth is that USA is actually behind a great many other countries for true freedom. Take it how you like, but when we see international reports on corruption, the free press, courts, fair trials, rights of citizens - we always see USA coming after about 10-20 other countries or more.

      Some of us just get a little annoyed that the Americans are always talking the talk, but are falling behind when it comes to walking the walk :)

    4. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Kogase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Er, America isn't the only country that makes this a possibility nowadays, actually. Maybe 200 years ago... Maybe you could come up with a slightly more thoughtful rebuttal?

    5. Re:Americans talk about freedom by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just don't wear a T-shirt that says "Support Civil Liberties" on it.

      That's chargable as criminal trespass.

      KFG

    6. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Try any of those at the top of the list in the article.

      The Land of the Free was only ever intended to be "The Land of the Free From British Taxes" - everything else was just a bonus.

    7. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Wibble_NZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Will the British Royal Navy suffice?

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3075505a4560,0 0.html

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    8. Re:Americans talk about freedom by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unamerican Tshirt

      I got the quote a bit wrong, and in this case they were threatened with a charge of disorderly conduct, but in other cases trespass has actually been formally charged.

      KFG

    9. Re:Americans talk about freedom by shelterit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Socialism is the final step on the journey towards communism." and "... socialist regimes ..."
      I agree with your last statement, but not this one. Socialism can't be associated with regimes. What you may be trying to say is that some misguided individuals put labels such as 'socialism' and 'communism' on their corrupt fascist schemes. Using the word 'socialism' for these things only continues the misguided use of the word that has some idealistic merits, just like 'communism' has. Call them what they are; fascist regimes with given quantifiers.

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    10. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Coryoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And let's be frank, most of the US press aren't free - they're usually fairly expensive: only the larger corporations can afford them.

      Jedidiah.

    11. Re:Americans talk about freedom by microbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I never cringe when I hear "... land of the free ..."

      Give it a rest, most of the developed world has exactly those freedoms, and they find that type of talk self-serving and counter-productive to real freedom.

      If the level of civilization is measured by how will it treats the old, sick and poor, then the USA if full of a lot of hot air.

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    12. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      OK, show me one example of another country which is more free than The Land of Free, I dare you.

      It's exactly that attitude - assuming that America must be the most free nation - that is the reason it isn't anymore.

      You've taken your freedoms for granted for too long. The Constitution is a wonderful document, but subject to interpretation. It has been interpreted very narrowly. Other countries, which ought to be less free because their constitution / charter / whatever is somewhat nonspecific, have been careful to consider freedom when interpreting it, instead of just abiding by the letter of the document.

      "The more you have to define freedom the less freedom you have." - Alexander Bickel

    13. Re:Americans talk about freedom by rsidd · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Speak for yourself... I never cringe when I hear "... land of the free ..." ... neither do my Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, Protestant and atheist classmates

      Have you asked any afro-americans and native americans?

      America has been, somewhat, the land of the free since the 1960s and the civil rights movement (and the current republican party originated as a protest against that, pandering to the white south -- a strategy originating from Nixon -- and is doing its best to undo all those gains.)

      Before the 1960s, America was marginally better than South Africa, that's all. And in the 19th century, it was guilty of genocide of many native American tribes, and was the last major country to abolish slavery, by many decades (and it still took a civil war to do that).

      Land of the free -- yes, if you're a white anglo-saxon protestant.

    14. Re:Americans talk about freedom by 808140 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't like Bush anymore than you do. But that quote was George H.W. Bush (i.e, Bush Sr), not GWB.

      GWB has said some pretty wacky things too. But this particular gem cannot be attributed to him.

    15. Re:Americans talk about freedom by 808140 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In Fall 2001, the Muslim student population at my Alma Mater had a lot of issues. Lots of Muslim guys were beaten up; a girl was raped; numerous people were spit on.

      It got so bad, in fact, that a Muslim student group at my school organized a "green arm band" system, whereby people willing to stand up for the rights of others would wear a green arm band. That way, if Muslim students were feeling threatened, they knew that they would be able to turn to a person wearing a green armband for aid/defense.

      The move got a lot of publicity but I was saddened by how few non-Muslims gave their support. I'm proud to say I did. Most of my African-American friends did too. But essentially no one else really bothered.

      Sad state of affairs.

    16. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Keith+McClary · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "A Saudi-American captured in Afghanistan, labeled an enemy combatant and held in U.S. solitary confinement for nearly three years without charge returned to his family Monday after agreeing to forfeit his U.S. citizenship for freedom."
      http://www.cleveland.com/world/plaindealer/index.s sf?/base/news/1097578544287260.xml
      Detainee forfeits U.S. citizenship for freedom

      Fair trade?

    17. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
      canada's for example is very SPECIFIC and has definite wording for their "freedom of speeach"

      Actually, as a Canadian, it was the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that was foremost in my mind when I posted that.

      Right at the top:

      1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

      That defines a limit on freedom that does not really exist in the U.S. constitution, and leaves the limit very much open to debate. People who know anything about the Charter (including judges and lawyers) are well aware of this, and eager to push back against government attempts to curtail freedom. We know the government would get away with it if we let them. No false sense of security there.

      In contrast, Americans (with the exception of a few, who are usually marginalized as "$foo-wing nutcases"), seem more willing to sit back and expect the Constitution to protect them. At least, that's my perception, as a non-American.

    18. Re:Americans talk about freedom by 808140 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi. Sorry, my friend. America is a great country, but Europeans have got us on social aid. Let's dissect your points one by one, shall we.

      Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare are under constant threat from people right of center; in this case I'm being non-partisan in my evaluation. Democrats, obstensibly the American party of the left, has its share of people who believe in Horatio Alger's myth of the "American Dream". I'll get to that in a minute. First, some facts.

      Medicare is divided into two parts, part A and part B. You are only eligible for Medicare if you are 65 or older, have certain (rare) disabilities, or have serious renal (kidney) problems. Medicare does not cover you at all otherwise, which means that for 99% of Slashdotters, for example, Medicare is completely useless. Furthermore, you are only eligible for free part A coverage if you have been paying Medicare taxes for an appropriately long period of time -- this may sound fair, but it means (for example) that it is often not economical for a young immigrant to bring his ailing mother with him to the States because she will not be eligible for medical care.

      And then there's part B coverage, which costs $66.50 per month (that's not cheap, dude) and is only available, again, for people eligible for Medicare.

      Contrast this to many European countries, where if you get into an accident, you walk into a hospital, and they fix it. Bume. You don't pay anything.

      Medicaid, which is the general name for Federal funds given to the states for the purpose of health care, varies from state to state. Medicare is, IIRC, under the "Medicaid" blanket. Most people do not see a dime of this money. That isn't surprising; not much money is given.

      What about social security? It's a slush fund that we all pay into that isn't protected at all. The government routinely uses this money for things not related to social security, and it hasn't been putting money back in as fast as it takes it out. Throw an aging baby boomer generation into the mix and you have a system that wasn't really adequate to begin with that is fiscally unsustainable.

      Welfare, well, welfare would be a start if it weren't for the fact that all sorts of draconian elligibility requirements weren't in place. Most people on welfare in the US are single mothers. Did you know that in most states, if the state discovers that you have a boyfriend, you can lose welfare eligibility? No joke. Because if you have a man, obviously, you don't need a goverment check. Your man can take care of you. Heh.

      Do you know how much money we give people on welfare? Not enough to survive, that's for sure. I know that in middle class America the popular steryotype of a welfare mama is a fat black woman doing nothing all day but having kids for the extra money, but reality is rather far from this. Most women on welfare are working two full time jobs and still can't make ends meet. Who's taking care of their kids while they work? Usually no one, because babysitters cost money. So you end up with latch-key kids. You see, we Americans don't feel that raising children is work that deserves compensation.

      It's really easy for women to end up on welfare, you know. The US is also really bad about protecting maternity leave rights. So what happens is, a woman gets pregnant and takes time off to have her child, and while she's gone, she loses her job. Libertarians everywhere applaud. Anyone who's ever had a child knows how much work they are. So what do you do? Hand your kid over to your parents, and get another job, quickly, before the industry moves on and you're not elligible for much more than waiting tables?

      Regarding freedoms in other countries, you are right that we have higher standards. In much of Europe, for example, hate speech is illegal; this looks good on the face of things but it is sometimes used with impunity to restrict criticism. An example would be police using French hate speech laws to censor Frenc

    19. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      How about most of Western Europe?

    20. Re:Americans talk about freedom by jlar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "And the rest of the "civilized world"[1] _DOES NOT_ always have our freedoms. In the UK, the press can be censored."

      And if you look at the press freedom index you will note that UK is 28th on the list while USA is 22nd. Maybe you should set your ambitions higher than that? For inspiration you can have a look at the countries higher up the list - like Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Slovakia or Switzerland.

      If you are satisfied with the current freedom of press and hence lower quality of the coverage please feel free to be so.

      As a Danish citizen I noticed a lowered quality of (parts of) the US press after September 11th and particularly during the run-up to the Iraq war (there seemed to be no room for doubt). From my point of view it was clear that the evidence for weapons of mass destruction were poor. My impression was that a discussion of the quality of the evidence was hardly allowed space in US media outlets. Is that also your impression in 20-20 hindsight?

      In spite of this I supported the invasion of Iraq but based on other arguments than WMD, but that is a different story.

    21. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Ed_Moyse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did he now? How do we know this? After all he was never charged of a crime!. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    22. Re:Americans talk about freedom by mpw2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They weren't called in because they were Muslim. They were probably called in because of their citezenship. The fact that they're Muslim doesn't have anything to do with it.

    23. Re:Americans talk about freedom by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to nit-pick, but wasn't the venue and the function a private one? As in any store or shop or movie or auditorium has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason?

      It was a private function ... to which they had bought tickets like everyone else there. If I go to a movie theater and they refuse to sell me tickets, that's their right. (Although it's my right to be pissed off about it and tell everyone I know not to go to that theater.) If I buy my ticket and am standing in line for popcorn and they decide to throw me out because they think I look like someone who might start talking during the movie -- which is the rough equivalent of what happened at the Bush rally -- they're on shaky ground.

      I'm sure a Kerry event in the same circumstances would not allow a t-shirt worn inside that said "Support Our Second Amendment Rights" or even the *same* shirt the ladies tried to wear to Bush's event.

      Are you sure of that? Why? I've seen no evidence to that effect. Please don't let the currently fashionable "all politicians are evil" cynicism blind you to the fact that there are real differences between the two. To my knowledge, no one has ever been thrown out of a Kerry rally for wearing a t-shirt; until it happens, you shouldn't tar Kerry with Bush's brush.

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    24. Re:Americans talk about freedom by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Contrast this to many European countries, where if you get into an accident, you walk into a hospital, and they fix it. Bume. You don't pay anything.

      Every ER in the US that I've been to has a big sign that says something to the effect:

      "We will treat you regardless if you have insurance or lack of funds"

      I knew someone that died recently from diabetes and had over $30,000 in medical bill debt, and she would just pay a dollar or two or throw them away. She did not loose her house, she was not taken to court, nothing. Americans are just as stupid about paying for their medical care as they are about their phones. They will pay just about anything that is charged to them. They are just that dumb.

      Do you know how much money we give people on welfare? Not enough to survive, that's for sure. I know that in middle class America the popular steryotype of a welfare mama is a fat black woman doing nothing all day but having kids for the extra money, but reality is rather far from this. Most women on welfare are working two full time jobs and still can't make ends meet. Who's taking care of their kids while they work? Usually no one, because babysitters cost money. So you end up with latch-key kids.

      If I were given enough money to survive off of welfare, why did I wast my time going to college and grad school and go to this work thing every day? The problem with welfare is not the amount of money given, its the amount of time that it is given to people. They get stuck and can never get any kind of nest egg or break to get out of the welfare cycle.

      Now with the 2 full time job thing and cannot make ends meat. Something is very, very wrong with that. I know plenty of people at or around the "poverty level", aka annual incomes around $20,000. And they only have one part time job, and goof around alot and complain that they don't have money. But they eat, have cable, have a place to live, have a car, and aren't that bad off being that they don't even work 40 hours a week.

      You see, we Americans don't feel that raising children is work that deserves compensation.

      There is a difference between raising children and watching them. I don't consider day care and babysitters as raising children. I don't feel that raising children deserves compensation either. I'm not going to pay someone to raise their kid. Not even if I care greatly for both of them, I'm not just going to up and write a check and say "keep up the good work!" Does anybody do this?

      It's really easy for women to end up on welfare, you know.

      Unfortunately, its really easy for ignorant and uneducated and unskilled people to end up on welfare. And guess what? They are simply weaker people, and no matter what you give them they will always sink to the bottom. I've been homeless and without a job because of just how things went in my life, and with a mental disorder to boot, and I never went on welfare, nor borrowed a cent from anyone. I did collect unemployment for 6 months, but I would have been OK without that, although I appreciated having it.

      The US is also really bad about protecting maternity leave rights. So what happens is, a woman gets pregnant and takes time off to have her child, and while she's gone, she loses her job. Libertarians everywhere applaud. Anyone who's ever had a child knows how much work they are. So what do you do? Hand your kid over to your parents, and get another job, quickly, before the industry moves on and you're not elligible for much more than waiting tables?

      OK, fine. the US may be really bad about protecting maternity leave rights, but ask any male thats been divorced how his rights were preserved. The guy is expected to give up his house and his kids and a good part of his income to someone that basically is not able to take care of themselves and thier kids (otherwise why would they need all of this charity?). That makes tons of sense. A never married mother, as tragic and dramatic a

  3. Press Freedom absolutely necessary by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comparing the Western European countries with vast freedoms of the press to the dictatorial or communist countries with outright persecution of journalists is eye-opening. What is most disturbing is that in this day and age that there still exists repression of thought in some countries. Control the media and you can control the minds of your subjects. To have a truly free thinking society means that the media cannot be controlled.

    The only problem with this is that it leads to significant growth of tabloid press. Look at Europe again with its outrageous papers like the Sun or Pravda. Just because the press is free does not mean that the information is better, just more voluminous.

    Like the internet, anyone in a free press country can publish what they like. Like the internet, it is up to the reader to filter out the gems from the trash.

    1. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by saforrest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quite the contrary. Regardless of their bias, Fox reports the same news as every other mainstream media outlet. They are not tabloid, as far as tabloids go.

      Maybe the same as every other mainstream American media outlet, but there is a hell of lot of news they don't report on.

      As well, Fox News tends to have a habit of covering stories on issues which could be politically damaging for the Republican Party only after the stories have gained enough momentum in other media that they can no longer be ignored.

    2. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by NeonGoat · · Score: 2, Funny
      The only problem with this is that it leads to significant growth of tabloid press
      Problem???
      Well then I ask you: How am I going to know when Jesus is spotted, who the fattest person is, how white Michael Jackson is today, and where the martians are? And they mark your post "insightful"...
    3. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by binkzz · · Score: 3, Informative
      Look at Europe again with its outrageous papers like the Sun or Pravda

      For what it's worth, the Sun is American owned (Rupert Murdoch) and Pravda is Russian only. It's hard to specify "European" newspapers, because there are no international European newspapers, only national ones.

      What is most disturbing is that in this day and age that there still exists repression of thought in some countries.

      Not at all, we in the western world haven't had complete freedom of press and speech for a long time, but if it were up to Bush, this freedom would be taken away again ("There ought to be limits to freedom."):

      http://kookaburra.typepad.com/weblog/2004/09/biker _against_b.html
      http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1015-06.ht m
      http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/28/rnc.bike .protest/
      http://wcbs880.com/rnc/rnc_story_244091236.html

      Freedom of press and speech don't evolve gradually. People have fought and died so we can write the truth and speak our minds. This battle is still continuing in Asia where people are killed for releasing the wrong thoughts or turning against the government. Before freedom finds a home there, a lot of battles will be fought and a lot of people will still suffer. To say the realization of this is eye-opening is naive.

      It is not to say that the freedom we now have is permanent. Our governments constantly test us to see how far they can go. We still have to fight to keep our freedom. It will never be a given as long as people are led by greed for money and hunger for power.

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    4. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Control the media and you can control the minds of your subjects. To have a truly free thinking society means that the media cannot be controlled."

      Not even by corporations nor by shareholders nor managing directors.

      The reason that I believe that democracy cannot properly function in modern 'media-rich' societies is exactly this; who controls the media controls, among other things, *voting*behaviors* (I believe that human beings are extremely amenable to suggestion).

      Any media coverage of political matters risks being used as a tool to control voting behaviors.

      I like the *idea* of democracy but I fail to see how this sort of problem can be circumvented at all.

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    5. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by catstack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look at USA again with its outrageous media conglomerates like Fox. Just because the press is free does not mean that the information is better, just more voluminous.

      While we're at it, how about CBS News... Dan Rather won't let the truth get in the way of a good Anti-Bush story.

    6. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by Teun · · Score: 4, Informative
      It is obvious that most of the mainstream press has a left wing slant to it. I find it funny that because fox is either in the middle or slightly to the right it is all the sudden some tabloid that shoudl be discredited.

      In Europe a large number of people (probably a majority) consider CNN right wing.
      Nearly everyone in Europe considers Fox News (if they at all know it) comical until they realise it's actually considered a News Channel in the USofA.

      The rift between the US and Europe is greater than many US citisen realise and Bush/Cheney/Fox are in the eyes of many Europeans doing everything in their power to increase that rift.
      And it pains us Europeans to see the great country that after the Nazi years helped us get back on our feet slide in the direction that we learned to dispise.

      In Europe we are so fortunate as to be able to sample news from many sources and countries, for me that is the only way to stay properly informed.
      And Fox is one of those sources, not for the news as such but for the opinions.

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    7. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should watch 'Outfoxed' to get some idea of quite how unfair and unbalanced Faux News really is. Fox News is owned by one the most right wing media oligarchs in the world and reflects his opinions religiously including the vitriolic bias against Clinton and the fawning cheek sucking for Bush. It's news bias is so warped that a majority of Fox News watchers (who tend to watch Fox rather than anything else) still believe WMDs have been found in Iraq. I seriously suggest you get your news from other sources...

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    8. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by ThaReetLad · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It is obvious that most of the mainstream press has a left wing slant to it.
      But on a global scale, even your left wing is right wing, and your right wing is only slightly left of Mussolini.

      Just because the Democrats pass for lefties in America, it doesn't mean they would anywhere else.
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    9. Re:Press Freedom absolutely necessary by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In Europe we are so fortunate as to be able to sample news from many sources and countries, for me that is the only way to stay properly informed.

      Wow, you're lucky. I sort of wish we could do that here in the U.S. just to see what other countries are like. Our news probably tells us all we need to know, though.

      U.S. citizens can only view news from the government sanctioned news station, Fox News. Realistically, I'm not sure that we would need anything else, though. Fox News is fair and balanced.

      I heard that there is some kind of pirate television station called PBS (get this, "Public Broadcasting System" - how radical!) that shows BBC news, but I think that's only a rumor. There was also some rumor of stations that are broadcasting in Portugese, Spanish, Russian, Japanese, French, and (get this) Arabic! I don't know where that rumor came from, but I doubt it's true. I know that the government run cable company does not carry anything that isn't in American Newspeak. Who would watch any of that anyway? Everyone speaks perfect American here. There certainly aren't large population centers in major cities that speak other languages and would be interested in hearing news from their native land, because foreigners aren't allowed inside the U.S. (especially not Canadians and Mexicans, but I digress).

      USA Today is the only paper we are allowed to read. I heard that there used to be a couple of papers that printed something called "AP" news, but I think this is only a rumor. I'm pretty sure our single newspaper would not print that type of news. Why would we need it, though? Our newspaper gets it's news directly from the source (i.e. the U.S. Government).

      One really weird thing is that the bookstore downtown claims that it has several magazines from other countries! Seriously, they claim they have magazines from all over the world. That's so ridiculous. Everyone knows we can't import magazines into the U.S., because they are classified as "munitions". Time Magazine is so much better than anything else, though, because it contains only facts.

      One of my professors had this magazine called, "Der Spiegel". I'm not sure what kind of loopy magazine that is, but I want no part of it. I looked at it once, and I think it was written in some kind of secret illegal code. He said he was a subscriber, too! I doubt that, since we can only subscribe to the government sanctioned Time Magazine. He's an academic, though, and some of them are radical. I should probably report him to the FBI.

      That reminds me! There was a huge bust here the past week. People are saying it was about drugs, but I know better. I think some idiots were trying to start their own newspaper illegally! These nutcases always claim that the Constitution supposedly grants the right for any citizen to publish anything they want. That's completely insane! Everyone knows that only the Government should print the news so that the truth can be heard without being tainted. If everyone printed what they wanted, how would we know what the truth is? Really, I don't understand these people. Why can't they just read USA Today and Time? What they did was totally illegal and morally reprehensible. Besides, we don't need any other news publications, because we have the best in the world.

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  4. Middle East by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's interesting to note the results and see why it's difficult to trust ANY news coming from Iraq.

    How are we expected to know what's really going on when reporters feel threatened and ordinary Iraqis still don't trust the media after years of it being state controlled?

    There are other documented examples or Arab gangs intimidating the press to sing their own tune and it pretty well rights off any ability for readers to discern between news versus propaganda.

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    1. Re:Middle East by dcam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And right there you proved the point.

      No I have not. Let me try to explain what I mean.

      Facts are nuanced by the events that surround them. The surroundings place the fact in context. Without that you can draw anything you want out of some event.

      Reporters are not just reporting on a single event, they are reporting on a collection of facts to present people with a picture of the place.

      Take the Sudan for instance. We have a government committing or at the least supporting genocide. Now if you hear that this government has arranged a $1000 educational grant to make ammends for the genocide. Are you going to report that the government of Sudan is benevolent and kind for offering this? I think not.

      In the case of Israel, past performance makes people suspicious and less likely to trust the government. If you have read some of the followup articles on the shooting of the school girl (in one of the articles I linked), the army has said that company commander did not behave unethically.

      Now, if this was the first event of this sort you had run accross, you might be inclined to take the Iaraeli army explanation at face value. However as this is not the first time (by any means) the Israeli army has failed to prosecute their soldiers for gorssly innappropriate behaviour (that is an understatement), then you are less likely to trust the Israeli army explanation.

      Knowing also from previous events the kind of value that the Israeli army places on Palestinian lives, you might also be more likely to believe that this shooting was deliberate.

      Point?

      I really don't understand why I am arguing with a troll account created for the sole purpose of responding to this article, but anyway.

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      meh
    2. Re:Middle East by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hear stories of Israeli's bombing palestinians and of palestinians bombing Israelis. IMHO the balance is weighted in favour of the palestinians because Israel uses tanks, F-16 and apache helicopters against stone throwing children and believe that is justifiable policing

      And right there, you have fallen for the problem with biased media.

      You have been led to believe that Palestinians bombing Israelis is similar to Israelis bombing Palestinians. There is however a big difference - The Palestinian (and indeed all Islamic) terror aims to cause as much civilian death as possible. Women, children, the elderly are all fair game.

      The same CANNOT be said of Israeli military actions, which whilst potentially resulting in collateral damage do not SPECIFICALLY and STRATEGICALLY aim to kill innocent non-combatants. Israelis don't dance in the streets when a Palestinian child is killed. Can the same be said of Palestinians? No.

      Equally, if you believe that Israelis are randomly dropping bombs on poor stone throwing children, you are not aware of how these children are deliberately used as human shields by terrorists holding rifles and rocket launchers (see: here for a textbook example of this disgusting abuse of children by Palestinian terrorists. Now tell me how Israel is supposed to stop the guy shooting at them?

      Of course, if the media weren't implicitly biased you'd know all of this wouldn't you?

      Still, I'm glad you are debating me. Someone else decided to mod me down as a troll instead. Hardly an intelligent response!

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      Indy Media Watch-Proctologist of the Internet

  5. How did they decide? by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Reporters Without Borders compiled the index by asking its partner organisations (14 freedom of expression organisations in five continents), its 130 correspondents around the world, as well as journalists, researchers, jurists and human rights activists, to answer 52 questions to indicate the state of press freedom in 167 countries"

    So this leaves lots unsaid. Basically, if correspondents say they don't have press freedom, they don't. Doesn't seem like a very scientific study to me.

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    1. Re:How did they decide? by gollum123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also the study did not address anything about the inherent bias in the media. The fact that the government does not control the media does not mean that we get unbaised coverage of the news. And a lot of times the ownership of the media is not even clear to judge which side they are more baised against. This is as dangerous as govt. controlling the media because people think that the media is free and fair which is not true.

    2. Re:How did they decide? by luvirini · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think you ae partly missing the point.

      There are no really objective ways of measuring press freedom, as in the all repressed countires the press uses self-censure.

      Indeed you can mesure how many journalists are in jail and how many journalists are required to give up their sources and such on certain level, but the "but I cannot write about those things" cannot be measured in objective way.

      Thus the only way to try to get a grip on these issues is to ask the people in question, with anonymity.

    3. Re:How did they decide? by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Basically, if correspondents say they don't have press freedom, they don't

      But when have reporters ever looked deeper than a quote which they liked and which served their bias?

      See: An Open Letter to Reporters Without Borders which includes the comment: "Given that Reporters Without Borders receives 44 percent of its income from the European Commission, you are in no position to criticize any government for using speech".

      Given this, and other comments in this thread, I would apply a healthy dose of skepticism...

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      Indy Media Watch-Proctologist of the Internet

    4. Re:How did they decide? by rsidd · · Score: 2, Informative
      So this leaves lots unsaid. Basically, if correspondents say they don't have press freedom, they don't. Doesn't seem like a very scientific study to me.

      Maybe that's why India is ranked 120. Frankly, very little of India's press or media is government-owned, and I see savage criticism of the government every day, it's a nice change from the servile bootlicking of Bush that goes on in the US press.

      Indians do tend to be very self-critical. Also there was one notorious case of an expose of government corruption that resulted in persecution of the journalists involved on legal grounds. That was ugly, and would, I'd agree, justify a somewhat low ranking... but then, a New York Times reporter, Judith Miller, presently faces jail for hiding her sources, and it is well known that unfriendly journalists in the US are excluded from White House briefings, which is why even top papers like the Washington Post and the NYT tend to be so unquestioning of the government. That's simply not the case in India. In my book, India should rate far higher than the US...

  6. Free Speech in Denmark?? by freddie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's the country on the top of the list.

    The truth is its worse than in the U.S.

    In Denmark you can be jailed
    for making a comment online if a judge determines that it is racist.

    Makes you wonder what the motivation behind this study is.

    1. Re:Free Speech in Denmark?? by JoeBuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      And in the US you can be jailed for your comments online for any of a variety of reasons: because your comments are interpreted as a threat is just one.

    2. Re:Free Speech in Denmark?? by mjtg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's nothing. You can be jailed anywhere in the world if the US president thinks you're a terrorist. Give me a Danish judge any day.

    3. Re:Free Speech in Denmark?? by Penguin · · Score: 5, Informative
      No, that's not "The truth". That's just one story you pull out as it would explain everything. Please, that kind of anecdotal argument is just a way of disrupting an argument. You could probably google for a lot more regarding Denmark and throw other red herrings about stuff not related to free press (like we pay a lot in taxes :)

      It's true that the Danish penal code has parts regarding libel, slander, threats, etc. just as many other countries (penal code - "Straffeloven" - 266). This paragraph also contains a note regarding the above issues aimed at groups because of their race, color, ethnicity, faith or sexual orientation. Personally I don't think it's that different from targeting individuals (but hey, I'm a Dane :). The paragraph has been discussed now and then in the public, but the borders are actually quite wide. It's nothing like Germany or France (.. I pressume)

      Besides, this has nothing to do with press freedom. A Danish nazi party is actually allowed to run their own radio station at the ordinary FM-band.

      We did have an interesting case though regarding a radio documentary in 1985, where an interviewer talked with a bunch of young, declared racists ("Greenjackets"), spreading their racism. At first the interviewer was convicted of spreading racism at a lower court, but after appealing through the system (and even losing at Danish supreme court), he tried his case in front of the European Court of Human Rights which concluded that even though some of the statements made by the Greenjackets would be racist, the broadcast itself wasn't. You can read the entire case online.

      It's actually a bit surprising when documentaries like Fahrenheit 9/11 (or, on a more serious level, Control Room), show how news are presented in the US. I think that many Danes weren't that surprised viewing these documentaries, because the Danish press already used several sources, meaning that a lot of the "surprising stories" in these documentaries weren't that surprising at all, since a lot of the footage had already been shown in public media.

      I am pretty worried of US citizens believing that each and every single thing about US is the best in the world. We have a more free press, less corruption, a head of government elected by popular vote, but since we live in a world where people appearently get their "entire facts" based on one or two incidents (which is pretty usual at Slashdot - think of all the posts regarding any topic, where one would find a random incident about a webserver, a company, a product and continuously beat that argument in a manner like "How can you say this product is good, since (link to some old event)?"), nothing of this matters. It only matters if people are able to use Google to find that little piece of information, they care about and judge the rest of the world by that.

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      - Peter Brodersen; professional nerd
    4. Re:Free Speech in Denmark?? by Penguin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, nobody was thrown in jail (we tend not to shoot and ask questions later :), but the issue mentioned by the original poster was actually challenged in a perspective related to press freedom, and the result clearly showed that context has to be taken in consideration. It also means that these wild shots usually are invalid (there's a difference between "some guy did foo and under these circumstances he got fined" and "You can't do foo!").

      It's just an example of the freedom of the press. Journalists would usually have access to otherwise restricted places if the situation justifies it as part of their job.

      Besides, I believe that I mentioned Fahrenheit as a less serious documentary, but I was only talking about parts of the movie that brought new information to the public in the US - information that has been widely available elsewhere.

      I think your post is just a poor containing a few points that's hard to disagree on the way they are expressed. But alas, it's a pity that they are a clear example of someone having to polarize everything to make a point.

      I really think it's poor if one makes his judgment based on snappy one-liner-anecdotes. I simply don't think it serves anyone well (maybe except for the person that finds comfort in living in a world where everything could be explained by a quick anecdote)

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    5. Re:Free Speech in Denmark?? by SirBogus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And that says exacylt what? That freedoms of smaller countries can be ignored, because freedom in a larger country is somehow harder?

      As long as we're talking percentages, we can compare. I'm Dutch, New York City might have a population and maybe even area larger then the Netherlands, but I don't care about that much. But if you use that fact to minimalise my opinion, then I'm very much reconfirmed in my current opinion about Americans.

      Get a grip, it's not about size. Your post is just offensive to all Europeans, who all take Danmark very seriously.

      Meanwhile, while we enjoy our freedoms and rights, please enjoy yours. As long as you keep thinking America is best in every respect, it will keep you from challenging issues, all while gloating about your so call 'Freedom of speech'. To me America is the land of double standards:
      Most repressive on Sexual Content, but most teenage pregnancies.
      Free gunownership, but most persons killed by gunfire.
      Land of the free etc, but able to just sidestep all human right issues and internation treeties to arrest unproven 'terrorist'.

      And somehow the world still has to take the USA seriously as global leader of democracy? Demockery is more appropriate.

      Hans

      Hans

  7. Media self-censorship a function of consolidation. by Behrooz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that the biggest threat to the free press in the United States today comes from the owners of media conglomerates, not the government. The continuing centralization of media ownership and the ongoing lobbying campaign in support of media consolidation leave us with an oligarchy of giant media groups. Often, the major media outlets of a city are owned by one or two large corporations, with interlocking ownership.

    Under those conditions, the views of the owners are propagated without check, because there simply is no real independent mass media in most parts of the US today. They censor themselves, so the government doesn't have to.

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  9. USA/Canada not that bad... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's what they had to say about the USA and Canada The two North American giants score well A police raid in Canada on the home of journalist Juliet O'Neil and the national regulatory authority's stand against the pan-Arab radio station Al-Jazeera and the local station CHOI FM downgraded the country to 18th place. Violations of the privacy of sources, persistent problems in granting press visas and the arrest of several journalists during anti-Bush demonstrations kept the United States (22nd) away from the top of the list. Really, we're being accused of minor things in the grand scheme of things... the top of the list contries are just small enough to be lucky to have not had any incidents.

  10. Reason why the Swiss are #1 by Faustust · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The reason is that they allow themselves to be completely neutral. They don't care if they have George Bush's money in a bank account or Saddam Hussein's money, it's all the same to them.

    When a country's government is neutral, it allows for the media to be more openly objective. These laws allow for equal treatment of everyone. The only problem with that is you are --I hate to sound cliche-- "helping terrorism."

    1. Re:Reason why the Swiss are #1 by zx75 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Helping, or failing to hinder? Glass is half-full/half-empty here. Switzerland doesn't aid and abet terrorism, does not provide a refuge for wanted criminals, they take care of themselves and expect the rest of the world to do the same.

      In truth, if some larger more influential and powerful nations *ahem* took an attitude more in line with the Swiss, there would be less conflict in this world of ours.

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    2. Re:Reason why the Swiss are #1 by garbs · · Score: 2, Funny



      Damn neutrals, at least with an enemy you know where they stand

      But neutrals, their just so... neutral

    3. Re:Reason why the Swiss are #1 by garbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe it's due to the mountainous geography, and the fact that every Swiss male were armed and trained to defend their homes and country.

      Talk about been bogged down.

      Anyhow, I do remember reading somewhere how Adolf Hitler really did want to invade Switzerland, but yeah, I guess he realised it would be futile.

    4. Re:Reason why the Swiss are #1 by fuzzybunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Idiot. Does the fact that Generali did this during WWII make Italians a bunch of prevaricating thugs?

      Does the fact that German companies refused to honor a bunch of claims mean they haven't renounced their goose-stepping nazi ways as a nation?

      Does the fact that certain slashdot users spout ignorant generalizations make them all a bunch of cretins? Hardly.

      I'm Swiss, and I didn't collude to hide anything, certain banks in my country did, and they (a) paid for their actions and (b) did not have a lot of popular support here (some fairly demagoguerish lawsuits by one Ed Fagan whipping up ignorant Fox news viewers in the US didn't help things much.)

      Soooooo, as I do not consider myself to be living in a glass house, I will continue to throw stones and hold others to the same high standards to which I hold myself and my compatriots.

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  11. Re:I am amazed that US is so high. by luvirini · · Score: 2, Informative

    well, close to the time you indicated (1954) US still had Senator McCarthy, so I am not sure what you mean?

  12. Jealous vs. Envious by wsherman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Americans frequently claim that others are "jealous" of their freedom.

    It's interesting that they use "jealous" rather than "envious" because "jealous" implies a limited resource (two women wanting to date the same man, for example) whereas "envious" implies an unlimited resource (envying your friend's new computer - new computers are available to anyone who wants to buy one).

    There seems to be a subconscious fear in the United States that if the rest of the world gets "freedom" or "wealth" that the United States will somehow lose it.

    There is no reason the whole world can't have high levels of freedom and a high standard of living and high levels of education.

    The fear that the United States is preventing other countries from having these things seems to lead to the fear that if other countries get these things then the United States will lose them.

    Of course, depsite what most Americans seem to think, the United States doesn't come in first in most measures of quality of life (freedom of press, per capita income, education level, etc.) anyway so it's not clear what they are so worried about.

    1. Re:Jealous vs. Envious by ratamacue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's interesting, but US citizens who actually believe the cliche "they hate us for our freedom" most likely did not arrive at that conclusion on their own. That's simply the propaganda they've been fed by their government. (Since 9/11, this line has been repeated by US politicians over and over and over ad nauseum.) So, no need to analyze the thinking process of such people -- most likely there isn't one at all.

  13. Decline in press freedom by Brian_Warner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is sad and somewhat disturbing that my old home country, South Africa is only four places behind the bastion of the free world. Remembering back to the censorship and talking to those still there, I worry about what we don't hear in the mainstream (or perhaps any) press in the US. When did this situation start to occur, i wonder?

  14. old media by feelyoda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You have 100% freedom with blogs, and they don't have borders.

    My examples here and here and in my sig. Visit them and enjoy your freedoms.

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  15. Not My Usual "Freedom of the Press" by Jameth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In general, it refers to how much freedom members of the press are given, not to how free speech/publication is. For example, the US is cited for trouble giving press visas, and the arrest of reporters during demonstrations. It makes no mention of any other restrictions on speech, no mention of a climate that is hostile to some forms of the press, no mention of the way that the president grants the media access and chooses questions.

    The study seems to completely ignore non-official members of the press. A few years back, this would have been fine. However, the formality of the press is dispersing. Just look at the blogging community. That's the press. I think it's a useful metric, but definitely not the final statement on the issue.

  16. Fairdom of the press? by paragon_au · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Freedom of the Press does not mean that press is fair. Fair has nothing to do with it.

    Freedom of the Press means that if there is a right-wing channel, you are free to start a left wing channel. It allows for people to openly broadcast/write/etc whatever they like and not be censored because it agaisnt the goverment/an allie/a person.

    Don't get mixed up, you can never have a truely unbaised report. The best you can have is a broad range to pick and choose from so that you can make your own decisions.

  17. Misleading by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember once this subject came up, and somebody pointed out that even though Canada scored higher, they actually do things such as filter pamphlets from certain political groups, including certain Jewish groups. Freedom of press and freedom of speach can be two very different things. Ideally, both rankings should be presented together, otherwise you give a lopsided picture.

  18. Re:U.S. is way to high by 808140 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're looking at this too practically.

    Freedom isn't much good, admittedly, if no one bothers to exercise it. What this article measures, however, is not the quality of information provided by the local press; rather, it is the ease with which journalists are able to obtain information in a country without the government interfering.

    American journalists don't take much advantage of the US's open nature, because our private media are here to sell news, and Americans culturally just don't care about what's happening in the world. I really don't think there's much of a conspiracy here. The US is a huge country, the most powerful in the world, bordered by another huge country that speaks the same language it does. People in the US just don't care too much about the rest of the world unless it affects their lives directly, and the truth is that as far as US citizens are concerned, what happens in most other countries has little bearing on their daily lives.

    This is hard to understand for a lot of Europeans, who mostly come from small countries that don't have the same natural resources the US does. For someone in France or Germany, what happens in Poland, Belgium, the UK, Turkey -- this all can and does affect their daily lives, economic stability, etc, in a way that is evident to the average joe. And so, not surprisingly, these people are better informed than Americans when it comes to world issues.

    Now, the press freedom in the US is pretty good. By this I mean that a reporter from Le Monde can go to the US with the intent to write an exposé on American government corruption, for example, and will run into very little static doing it. A New York Post reporter, in a similar way, will have little trouble getting the information he wants in France, even if his piece is called "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys: How a country entirely populated by homosexuals manages to remain adequately populated." This is because both the US and France are very free countries. And while the journalists of other countries may use this to abuse them, they understand that keeping information available is important.

    China and North Korea, on the other hand, will want to "approve" what you write before letting you do anything. They may even offer to write it for you.

    That's what's meant by press freedom. Not "is the local press open and non-self-censoring" but rather "do journalists have the freedom to ask questions and get them answered without too much interference."

    The US scores badly on the first but passably well (although not as well as I, as an American, would like) on the second. This article is about the second, not the first.

  19. The USA is that repressive? by toupsie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being 22nd in the World, I am surprised that John Ashcroft didn't invoke the Patriot Act to suppress this report! I will put the USA up against any other country in the world on the number of press outlets that are operating within our borders, print, radio, TV and internet. The Freedom of the Press is so prevalent in Bush's USA that I am almost going deaf from the cacophony of screams of people saying their right to free speech is being abridged.

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  20. Obligatory The Daily Show quote by Penguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steven Colbert: After all, it was Thomas Jefferson who said "Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach."
    Jon Stewart: No, that was Stalin. Thomas Jefferson said that he'd "Rather have free press and no government, than a government and no free press".
    Steven Colbert: Well, what else would you expect from a slave-banging, Hitler loving queer?

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  21. Re:U.S. is way to high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The United States is now hated around the world because our citizens are so misinformed and ignorant about the world

    No, your citizens have always been misinformed and ignorant. That is not why the US is now hate. It's now hated because it invades countries, kills innocent people, tortures people, and tries to impose its beliefs and way life on everybody else. That is why the USA is hated. But then again, being an American you might be too ignorant to know that.

    BTW, nobody in the rest of the world gives a fuck about your freedom of the press or any other freedom. The rest of the world simply wants USA to leave them the fuck alone.

  22. Re:Everyone saw it live on Tee-Vee! by Keith+McClary · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Surely the major goal of the co-ordinated 911 attackers was to instigate a defensive and vulnerable posture from US government, media and population.

    The goal was to provoke a rash aggressive response which would get the US into the "quagmire" they're in now, with no way out and getting worse by the day.

  23. American cliche's redux by theolein · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't fully understand this american hatred of Switzerland, since it mostly seems to fall in one of two categories: The Banks hiding illegal money and Switzerland's neutrality.

    As regards the banks, they are Switzerland's biggest employers and so do get more priviliges than they should, and they definitely did take anyone's money in the past. They don't, however, do this any longer. Saddam Hussein's money has been frozen for years and the Swiss authorities do give information on account holders to judicial enquiries from countries with which Switzerland has legal agreements. That is why criminals prefer to keep their money in the Cayman islands these days.

    But I never hear any such moral preaching against the Cayman Islands.

    Secondly, Switzerland is a tiny country that was surrounded by hostile nations for most of its history. For that reason the Swiss decided to become neutral, as it kept them from having to go through the ravages of the first and second world wars. Switzerland takes its neutrality seriously and doesn't support bullshit wars like the fucking stunt you yanks pulled in Iraq, or the fucking stunt that Saddam pulled in Kuwait.

    Switzerland is by no means perfect, (I live here and don't really like it or the people) but it minds its own business and would like other countries to do the same.

    I think you people who constantly preach about how morally corrupt Switzerland is are just ashamed of all the crap that your own country does.

  24. Size doesn't matter by Gorimek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't see why a smaller country would have less corruption than a large one. Proportionally, of course. It seems more likely to me corruption would flourish in a small country, where everyone (who is anyone, at least) knows everyone.

    If you actually look at the corruption ranking you'll see that there are plenty of small countries at the bottom, including Haiti at the very last position.

  25. My take on bias of these studies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Living in Finland, I have some thoughts on these studies.

    Firstly, most of the journalists, at least here, get educated on universities that have rather dominant leftist atmostphere. It is easy to notice that the common logic among journalists is that good journalism is so called "critical" journalism, which in turn is essentially journalism that must find a contrast with things that don't belong directly to the most obvious sphere of control for them. With their average political background, that usually means privately owned companies and persons that have politically very different world view from their own. It may be very subtle discrimination, but after decades of such opinions among the press, it becomes a public fact.

    Also, many international journalist organisations were strongly supported by USSR. Their views might have been on the same side before that support began, but certainly the views intensified with that support. It is rather questionable if USSR was there just for free press.

    Then there are things I want to say about the press in Finland, specifically. There's only one newspaper that can be considered of national coverage - Helsingin Sanomat. Other newspapers are either regional or limit to swedish, which is mother tongue for only couple percent of the population. There are also two daily yellow press "newspapers", but calling those true journalism is a joke. So, even if there's freedom of press, diversity of press is highly questionable on newspaper side. Fortunately, in television, there are three organisations that have good national coverage - but depth of television journalism has always its limits.

    And as last thing, anecdotal example from the local scare tactics. As there is no (external) censorship, most attempts to control the media show up as court threats when specific persons get bad light in the "yellow" press, often resulting from fabricated or strongly exaggerated facts. There's a recent example that illustrated different hidden standards for freedom of press, though: Both the person in the article and the journalist were threatened by court when an article about prime ministers' father, somewhat controversial person, was published. He claimed in his article that according to some research, caucasians are measurably more intelligent on average than africans, and many asians are even more intelligent, and that this has strong element regarding the chances of nations to prosper. The actual threat came from governmental anti-racism ombudsman, and probably reflects the politico-journalistic climate around here - any discussion on these kinds of subjects should be prohibited unless, at least, we, the natives, are on the bottom. Fortunately, the legistlative bodies in Finland are reasonably detached from political views and dismissed the case - after all, the subject matter was controversial, not clearly against any proven fact, and that scientific research and press coverage of it enjoys especially high freedoms as well as high peer review scrutiny - which must not be censorship, though.

  26. what about freedom to bear arms? by konekoniku · · Score: 2, Funny

    i'm sure the united states would rank higher on that freedom than most european countries.

    1. Re:what about freedom to bear arms? by ThaReetLad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you? Most European countries have incorporated the European declaration on human rights into law, which mean I cannot be executed by my country. Can you say that?

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    2. Re:what about freedom to bear arms? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative
      Unfortunately, in the US, it seems there are far too many punks with firearms, and not enough responsible adults.

      Actually, almost all of us are responsible adults. Otherwise the murder rate would be in the tens of millions (Hell, there was someone on the highway this AM that I would have been delighted to remove from the gene pool, if I were so inclined), rather than less than 16,000 (not all those murders are firearms related, but most are). Likewise, it might be useful to keep in mind that there are approximately 200 firearms for every violent crime committed. Not all violent crimes involve guns, of course, so the ratio is probably higher, but I don't really feel like checking the numbers.

      Also, if you eliminate the murders over drugs, I think you'll find that our murder rates are not especially higher than European ones. Which would tend to support the opinion that the War on Drugs is the problem, rather than the firearms.

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  27. Re:Gemany is 11? by Colm+Buckley · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is not illegal to criticize the Chancellor's hair. "Illegal" means contrary to a statute; an offence which is prosecutable by the State itself. In the "case of the Chancellor's Hair", a lawsuit was brought by Schroder himself for libel. There is nothing on Germany's statutes which makes it illegal to criticize anyone's hair; however the hair in question has the right to fight back...

  28. It's "Reporters Sans Frontières" by Reez · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not "Reporters San Frontiers" as stated in the summary. They deserve respect, and as such deserve correct orthograph (or am I the only one who cares ?)

  29. Probably too late to make the report by billstewart · · Score: 3, Informative
    That may affect next year's report, but was probably too late to make this year's.

    Besides, Nobody's "responsible" for it. Everybody says it was somebody else, or that they're not allowed to talk about pending criminal investigations, or things like that.

    At least under the last few years of US procedures for computer search and seizure rules, the Indymedia attacks were mismanaged - they're supposed to take a copy and return everything ASAP for most cases, and they're supposed to be extremely careful of systems containing journalistic works in progress, which Indymedia pretty obviously had. And they didn't handle it that way.

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  30. There would be more death if everyone turned away. by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This claim that if some larger or more influential countries would take the attitude of the Swiss is ignorant.

    It is attitudes like that that resulted in the massacres in Rawanda. It is that very same attitude that is resulting in the same thing occuring in Sudan. Want more, Bosnia, Afghanistan, China, and even Checyna.

    Seems to me that the real issue is not that some countries are more influential but WHICH countries that are and what they are doing.

    I will take the current attitude of countries that do take action. Far better they do than we end up with millions more dead just because we were afraid to we might offend someone by acting up. Perhaps we can avoid another Hitler if we keep acting, after all he was harmless until he invaded Poland, right?

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    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
  31. Re:USA more free than UK? Er.. by muchtooold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So much of the national press in the UK is owned by non-uk, non-european nationals who impose their own political stance and prejudices on their editors that it is not surprising that it does not score as well as others. http://www.cultsock.ndirect.co.uk/MUHome/cshtml/me dia/mediaown.html suggests that Rupert Murdoch, through News International, controls 37% of daily newspaper sales and 39% of Sunday sales. Even where uk companies own newspapers their proprietors have traditionally exercised a strong influence on their editors, The 'newspaper barons' Rothermere, Northgate et al and more recently Conrad Black, a Canadian turned Briton in order to accept a peerage, all saw to it that their editors took a particular line - as of course, is their right. I guess it depends on your definition of 'press freedom'.

  32. The reason the US was so low by sgant · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is the reasoning behind the US being so low on the chart...according to the article:

    "Violations of the privacy of sources, persistent problems in granting press visas and the arrest of several journalists during anti-Bush demonstrations kept the United States (22nd) away from the top of the list."

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    "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
  33. Re:Isn't Murdoch Australian? by stephenbooth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Murdoch was born Australian but left there for the UK where he started News International and aquired 'The Sun', amongst other newspapers. He later moved to the US where he gained US citzenship to get around certain restrictions on non-US citizens or corporations owning media companies.

    The nearest to a free press these days is the blogosphere, but even that is under threat.

    Stephen

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    "Don't write down to your readers, the only people less intelligent than you can't read" - Sign on Newspaper Office Wall
  34. There are ways by Featureless · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some of them are novel and have not yet been widely understood. We may employ rather modern technology to process, vet, and filter information through mechanisms not so dissimilar to slashdot's, that could make many organized disinformation campaigns more difficult. It is difficult to imagine such as-yet-unseen systems operating in a socially important way, on a large scale, but it was difficult to imagine the internet itself 15 years ago. The idea is simply to augment existing social and democratic conventions with software that can allow them to scale better.

    In addition, surveillance society is coming, but not in the way anyone expects. Within a decade or two audio/video recording devices with effectively unlimited recording capacity will be small enough to be a fashion accessory, or for that matter just part of your apparel. Because they can be carried everywhere and recording constantly, they will be; this will change our whole notion of privacy, really change society as we know it. These little bugs will penetrate newsrooms, courtrooms, boardrooms, and back rooms, despite every attempt to keep them out. They will witness protests, halt arguments about facts, and generally improve the quality of and availability of first-generation source material by an order of magnitude. They will, most of all, make organized secrecy conspicuous, especially because "open" companies, and even political candidates, will win in the marketplace.

    Democracy will always be threatened, but it can never be entirely stopped until we lose our ability to be creative in protecting it.

  35. An account of one reporter's time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Years ago I was a news videographer for a small but very nicely equipped UHF station in Massachusetts with about 10 full time people just for news (pretty good for the time). While the other people there stayed in the area, I was assigned to cover the Statehouse et al in Boston. This meant I needed a Press ID (and by extension a media license plate) issued by the Massachusetts State Police, something others never bothered getting because it was unneeded locally.

    First the State Police said that our station didn't qualify because we didn't have a full time news department (total crap). After much "discussion" and producing copious records affirming our position they backed off. The other requirement was I needed three recommendations from other press card holders. I quickly found out that everyone wanted at least $500 for their signature. I complained to the State Police about this and asked if they would simply grant me (and others from our station in the future) an ID based on the fact that we produced over two hours everyday of fresh news content everyday and not on who I bribed. They said no. Months later we coughed up the "tribute" money and submitted the paperwork. It was rejected without comment. I was privately told that I would never get an ID because I questioned "their system". Repeated requests for a press ID were rejected, always without comment. BTW, I was a pretty upstanding person back then, in the military reserves with a security clearance and nothing more than two speeding tickets on my record, so the reason for the rejection "on the surface" was never known.

    In every state in the US access to press credentials is controlled by the State. Without these official press credentials one has very limited access to news events. While covering a protest my company car (a white wagon with the name of the station painted all over the damn thing) was towed from a legal parking spot while cars with press plates were left alone. Many times "freedom of the press" doesn't apply to those without that State issued ID. Can there be true freedom of the press when the state controls who are the "press"? I think not.

    Last night I was watching the after game party in the Fenway on the four stations covering it. One of the stations repeated avoided showing any police "takedowns" of the people there. After the Boston Police killed a bystander last week (Victoria Snelgrove of East Bridgewater) and seriously wounding others one would think these stations and their news staff would want to catch any similar interactions. Instead what I saw a few times was over 10 Boston City policeman in full military battle gear taking down a single drunk that just wasn't obeying their orders quick enough with the coverage being quickly cut off by the station (by changing cameras or moving the action out of frame). Self censorship to have a good relationship with the police is still censorship. If the State Police decided to pull their press cards they easily bankrupt the station.

    This is not the picture of the police storming a tv or radio station and shutting them down. This is the police controlling the station's blood supply (their money) and saying "we won't shut you down, your creditors will with our help so play nice with us".

    This is the state of the press in the US. They can't take your voice but they can get the private sector to take your press and your home. Thankfully the web has made this more difficult. I seriously don't feel free to sign my name to this comment. I think I'll keep my mouth shut and fly under their radar "thank you very much".

    It really doesn't sound like a free nation after all does it?

  36. Re:There would be more death if everyone turned aw by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the same time, we (the US) created Saddam Hussein and are responsible for much of the power of the Taliban. Arguably we're creating the problems, or at least, some of them. The question is, are we actually helping the world more than we're hurting it, in this regard? Of course, a broader question is whether we help the world more than hurt it in all areas, but that's so subjective it's basically impossible to measure.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"