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Optical Control of Light on a Silicon Chip

An anonymous reader writes "Researchers at Cornell University have demonstrated a device that allows one low-powered beam of light to switch another on and off, on silicon, a key component for future "photonic" microcircuits in which light replaces electrons for propagating signals. It is highly desirable to use silicon--the dominant material in the microelectronic industry--as the platform for these photonic chips. The approach developed confines the beam to be switched in a circular resonator, greatly reducing the footprint required on the chip and allowing a very small change in refractive index to shift the material from transparent to opaque."

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  1. Shedding some light... by rooijan · · Score: 5, Funny
    This certainly sheds some light on the future of technology - hell, you could even say they are going to light the path of progress!

    ...sorry, couldn't help myself.

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    1. Re:Shedding some light... by corngrower · · Score: 1, Funny

      I suppose we shouldn't condemn you too much for making light of the subject.

    2. Re:Shedding some light... by Darth23 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That wasn't exactly a glowing endorsement.

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    3. Re:Shedding some light... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      heh, nice sig.

      For the people who don't get it, it's African for "There is no spoon"

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    4. Re:Shedding some light... by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Oooh, where can I learn to speak African?! That would make my trip to Africa much easier...

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    5. Re:Shedding some light... by rooijan · · Score: 1

      To be nitpicky, it's Afrikaans for "there is no spoon". Afrikaans is a language derived from Dutch, spoken only in South Africa.

      There is no such language as African, although there are many African languages, such as Zulu, Xhosa, Swahili etc.

      I use the Afrikaans sig as my secret South African Slashdot Handshake...

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    6. Re:Shedding some light... by rooijan · · Score: 1

      Kind of arb replying to my own comment, I know, but it's been pointed out to me that "African" is the English translation of "Afrikaans". I apologise for my misunderstanding if this is what was intended - however, the proper name for the language in English is still "Afrikaans" (I think :-) ).

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    7. Re:Shedding some light... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know about that :)

      But I'm Dutch, so I can usually decipher simple sentences like that :D

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    8. Re:Shedding some light... by rooijan · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I actually know very little Afrikaans, relatively speaking, being raised in an English family and only learning Afrikaans in school because I was forced to (like everyone else at school in the 80's and 90's in South Africa).

      I can make myself understood, but real Afrikaans people tend to laugh if I attempt to hold a real conversation with them in the language. Still, I can ask where the toilets are and buy a beer - what more do you need? :-)

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  2. Optronic gates by lisaparratt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought diffraction and interference was to be the answer to switching light. Does anybody know what happened to this technology?

    1. Re:Optronic gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dr. Magoo hasn't come back from his work out in the field, we fear he may have gotten lost.

    2. Re:Optronic gates by willijar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Diffraction and interferences are linear processes - you need a nonlinear process (such as the change in index used in the devices) to have one signal modify another.

    3. Re:Optronic gates by Optics+Geek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Interference is still key to this. The nonlinear optic effect here is the refractive index change of the resonator material due to the beam controlling the switch. What's different here is the circular resonator, that basically make the path in the material with the index change extremely long, so a very small index change can induce the necessary phase change for the beam to switch. The resonator sits in one path of a (waveguide) Mach-Zehnder interferometer. When the phase shift induced by the resonator path is 0, you have the "on" state. When the phase shift induced by the resonator path is pi, you have the "off" state.

  3. Can somebody explain ... by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is the exact use for this? Is it's advantage that there's no need to switch back & forth between electric signals & optic signals in e.g. a optical router, or is a computer based on solely optical signals faster than one based on electrical signals?

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    1. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It would be cool to have a PC that glows in the dark...

    2. Re:Can somebody explain ... by DigitumDei · · Score: 5, Informative
      correct.

      from the article itself.

      What are the applications of this device?

      These structures will find their first application in routing devices for fiber-optic communications. At present, information that travels at the speed of light through optical fibers must be converted at the end into electrical signals that are processed on conventional electronic chips. These electrical signals can in turn be converted back into optical signals for re-transmission, which in the end makes this an extremely slow process. The all-optical switch enables routing signals without the need of conversion to electronics.
    3. Re:Can somebody explain ... by frankvl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Light travels about 10x faster than electrons in their optimal medium, so the potential processing speed limit is increased.

      Also, light processing does not necessarily generate heat, so there is no cooling needed to preserve the hardware, unlike the electro solution.

    4. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This isn't for optical network switches, this is for processor cores.

      IAAEE, so here goes a simple explanation of why optical is more desirable for a processor.

      1: Faster signal propagation. In the GHz region propagation delay can cause major timing headaches in synchronous computers (one reason your system bus is always slower than your CPU: the physical length of the clock lines on the motherboard introduce too much delay to properly synchronize at really high speeds).

      2: Higher slew rates. Another limit on clock speed is the rate that the logic gates can change state, which is proportional to the power consumption (it takes more power to change the state of a logic gate more quickly). Theoretically, an optical switch uses the same amount of power regardless of speed because youre switching an optical state rather than energizing (or de-energizing) a circuit.

      3: Lower power consumption. Because you aren't using ever-higher currents to force electrical states at higher speeds, your driver circuitry doesn't need to be as robust. This also leads to:

      4: Lower cost. Less circuitry to push around large signals means you can save die area on the chip.

    5. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Gherald · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Light travels about 10x faster than electrons in their optimal medium, so the potential processing speed limit is increased.

      What?? I thought electrons traveled at the speed of light! AFAIK the advantage of optical over electrical is that the paths of photons can cross w/o interfering with each other, thus potentially allowing for smaller processors.

    6. Re:Can somebody explain ... by amorsen · · Score: 4, Informative
      I thought electrons traveled at the speed of light!

      Think again. Electrons have rest mass, therefore they do not travel at the speed of light. In fact they travel really slowly in a wire, perhaps a meter per hour on a good day.

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    7. Re:Can somebody explain ... by MoP030 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, there was a discussion about this in a recent thread... can't remember which though. The electrons cannot travel with the speed of light because they have mass. But they don't need travel much anyway, because the information is transmitted via the electrostatic force which can be explained as the exchange of virtual (light-speed fast) photons. So the first electron in the wire gets pushed a bit and in turn pushes the second electron in the wire and so forth, much like when you push one end of a stick and automagically the other end moves too. In both cases the effect is not light-speedy but speedy nonetheless.

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    8. Re:Can somebody explain ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Light travels about 10x faster than electrons in their optimal medium, so the potential processing speed limit is increased.

      Umm, the speed of electron travel is irrelevant. I assume you've seen a Newton's cradle (a set of 4 or more balls on string arranged in a row. You swing the end one or two and when it hits the stationary ones the corresponding ones at the far end swing). The balls in this are only moving at a few meters per second, while the signal (when the balls collide) is moving at the speed of sound. In a chip, the individual electrons move relatively slowly, but the signal moves at the speed of light.

      The problem with using electrons is that two electrons can collide. This means that your circuit paths can not cross. With something the complexity of an IC, this means that a lot of space is wasted just routing electrical paths around each other. The analogy I was given when I saw something like this demonstrated a few years back was that designing an electronic chip was like trying to lay out the road system in Great Britain without any roads crossing. Photons, on the other hand, can pass right through each other without interfering (quantum mechanics is magic like that). This means that signal distance between any two components on a chip is the same as the straight line distance (on an electronic chip it can be significantly further). This is good news, because we are starting to get close to the light speed limit with current ICs. A 3GHz chip must pass data from one pipeline stage to the next 3,000,000,000 times every second. Light can travel (roughly) 10 cm in this time. Scale this up by a few orders of magnitude and you start to get some real problems with component density.

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    9. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Gherald · · Score: 1

      Hmm...aparently the answer is it depends on the medium

    10. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Think again" is right. The electrons are involved in propagating a wave of electromagnetic energy, in ways that are fun to examine. But what you are describing is the average rate of travel of an electron, much like the average rate of travel of a lake: only a little bit of water goes in and out of it, on the average, so the average speed is very slow.

      The *wave* in the lake, however, is much faster, carried by particles that bounce around each other much faster. Typical propagation speeds of electrical signals in network cable is a significant fraction of the speed of light, roughly 75% of the speed of light for 75-Ohm coax cable as one example.

      Optical propagation in fiber-optic cable, which is what this new technology will be used for, is also limited to less than the speed of light. There, you get interesting effects because it's being transmitted through glass (or plastic for short cables), but still a significant fraction of the speed of light in vacuum.

    11. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I like your explanation why information is transported with approximately speed of light in conductors, but the reason why electrons travel much slower is different:

      The reason why electrons travel at a finite (rather slow) speed is scattering with the crystal lattice. If you apply a voltage, i.e. create an electric field along a metallic wire you would in principle continously accelerate the electron along the wire to an kinetic energy that corresponds to the applied voltage (e.g. 1eV for 1V of applied voltage and 1eV corresponds to 600000 m/s for an electron!).

      However, this acceleration is stopped every few ten femtoseconds, when the electron collides with a nucleus of the crystal lattice. So basically, instead of constant acceleration (like in vacuum) you have a stop and go motion, which results in a net drift velocity on the order of millimeters per second. The collisions with the nuclei are also the reason why conductors heat up if you run a current through them, because part of the kinetic energy of the electron is transferred to the nuclei (remember that for matter, temperature corresponds to vibration of the nuclei around their nominal positions).

      Now the difference between different conducting materials is just the average time between two collisions and the density of electrons (how many of them can move), this is what determines the resistivity.

    12. Re:Can somebody explain ... by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Correct.
      What this means for us in the short term future, is that switching to completely photon ICs will allow us to use larger in size microchip dies than current dies without reducing the clock speed. Obviously in the longer term this means much much smaller dies sizes and at least 1000 times faster clock speeds.

    13. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Gil-galad55 · · Score: 0
      The electrons are involved in propagating a wave of electromagnetic energy, in ways that are fun to examine.

      Grad school cracked you too, eh?

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    14. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Psiren · · Score: 1

      This isn't for optical network switches, this is for processor cores.

      Last time I checked, network switches had processors in them. No doubt this technology will make it into consumer PCs in the future, but for now it's more likely to make it into specialized applications like network switching.

    15. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photons, on the other hand, can pass right through each other without interfering (quantum mechanics is magic like that). This means that signal distance between any two components on a chip is the same as the straight line distance (on an electronic chip it can be significantly further).

      At first glance yes, but you have to keep in mind that propagation of light is limited by diffraction. You cannot have a straight collimated beam of light that has a diameter on the order of the wavelength of the light, here 1.5 micrometers! So what people use are waveguides, which, surprise, cannot cross each other without interfering.

    16. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 1

      I believe when he said "optical network switches" he meant the physical part of the switch itself that deals with the optical data coming in and out. Obviously what we call a "switch" has a processor in it, but he meant the more rudimentary "on-off" type switch. The conversation above was about that.

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    17. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this informative when TFA says this design is for network switches?

    18. Re:Can somebody explain ... by barawn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The *wave* in the lake, however, is much faster, carried by particles that bounce around each other much faster.

      Actually, the wave in the lake is carried by something akin to phonons (heck, they might be phonons - I hate fluid mech). That is, the wave is "transmitted" by quanta of the intermolecular forces, not by any particles in the medium itself.

      Strangely enough... as you suggested, the exact same thing happens in electrical signals, except there, the wave is "transmitted" by the inter-electron forces, which we call "electromagnetic" forces. Quanta of the electromagnetic field are, of course, photons, and the reason that electrical signals travel at 75% the speed of light is because that is the speed of light in that material, roughly.

      So, in a very real way, signals on chips have always been carried by photons. It takes power to shove electrons around, though, whereas photons will just propagate. So transmitting a signal purely by photons (rather than by photons through electrons) is lower power.

    19. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Plammox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course it's for "optical" switching!
      Well, for the optical modules in a switch, anyway.

      There's a much more obvious application for this than optical CPUs.
      It's every optical networking component maker's wet dream to be able to modulate light on silicon, as this would bring down costs of optical modules for 10 Gb/s, 2.5Gb/s, etc. In principle, you could live without the expensive optical components (pin-diodes, EAMs) and do it all this on one single piece of silicon.

      Now we just need to find a clever way of emitting light on silicon as well as finding a cost effective way of packaging ICs with optical fibres coming out of them ;-).

      PS: Didn't Intel demonstrate optical modulation on Silicon already??

    20. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Darth23 · · Score: 1
      Lord help me, that actually made sense to me.

      All of my physics teachers would be so surprised.

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    21. Re:Can somebody explain ... by cheese_wallet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What is the exact use for this?"

      How many pins are on the latest AMD64? 939? 940? something like that. Optical interconnect could reduce that to single digits.

      I'm not sure what loading concerns there are with optics... one problem I run into in my designs is needing to connect to many other devices, and that slows things down.

    22. Re:Can somebody explain ... by CRepetski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Additionally, an optical circuit has the advantage that two beams of light can cross each other without interfering harmfully with each other. Obviously you couldn't do this with in an electric circuit. This allows optical circuit designers to make more compact designs, and it's a lot easier to do. With circuits on microchips today being so complicated, you need some pretty hefty programs to actually to the designing. The same optical circuit could be much smaller and eaiser to design.

    23. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, virtual photons in electronics vs real photons in photonics.

    24. Re:Can somebody explain ... by frankvl · · Score: 1

      Yes some guys managed to use 40 beams for an intercontinental Internet connection; each user got 10 Gbit/s up&down access, rather than 10Gbit/s shared.

      It will be even more interesting when it can be applied to circuitry! You were damn right mr. Moore..

    25. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang, 1 meter per hour??!

      I can walk the bits to the internet faster than that!

    26. Re:Can somebody explain ... by misleb · · Score: 1
      What doesn't make sense about this is that a "router" does more than just pass packets from one interface to another. It needs to read the contents of the packets (or the headers at least), reference a routing table, decide where to send the packet, and possibly modify it. Unless there is some way to make an entire router out of optronics, RAM and all, there is really no way to avoid a conversion.

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    27. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Beam routing, not packet routing. It is handy to route beams without having to rearrange patch cables by hand. Interestingly, it looks like the Cornell approach might be able to independently route different wavelengths of light from a single optical fiber. A multiwavelength optical crossbar switch would be insanely useful in the communication network of the future.

      And it can do some packet routing, if isochronous data streams are assigned to predictable time slots.

    28. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point was that this technology isn't aimed at network components exclusively but at making general purpose microprocessors because of the reasons outlined.

      "Now we just need to find a clever way of emitting light on silicon..."

      Too true. I imagine someone's working on a way to do it.

      "...as well as finding a cost effective way of packaging ICs with optical fibres coming out of them."

      That's an easy one. You incorporate standard screw-down sockets for cables in the chip casing. This wouldn't be too difficult or expensive, since you wouldn't need as many (serial) optical connections.

      Actually, think about the implications of serial-based memory addressing for a minute...

    29. Re:Can somebody explain ... by Plammox · · Score: 1

      Regarding your comment on cost-effective packaging for optical ICs:

      You want to use standard connectors for optical fibres mounted on standard IC packages. OK. Now please solve these problems also:

      1) The reliability of sockets mounted on low cost mold injection plastic packages: I doubt such a package can survive a) thermal shock testing b) temp cycling (-40 degC to 85 degC) to the extent that it can actually pass standard JEDEC requirements. The difference in coefficient of thermal expansion will kill you

      2) If it does, I doubt you can call it cost effective, if you consider other connectorized packages, even just electrical connectors (>$50 just for the package...) Cost effective packaging is usually less than $1 per device for small scale devices.

      The only viable commercial solution I am aware of is the one seen here. And it's not even that inexpensive.

    30. Re:Can somebody explain ... by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      In fluid mechanics you don't call the carriers phonons. You call them molecules. :D
      And the wave itself is called a sound wave. :)

      In a plasma there are sound waves, magnetosonic waves, and EM waves. And the carriers are either particles (atoms/molecules/electrons/ions), EM coupled movement of particles, and EM propagation with photons, respectively.

      Phonons are a phsyics term that I believe arose when semiconductor physics was first investigated. The term "phonon" can apply to pretty much anything that invovles the transfer of momentum via molecular collisions in solids. It can also apply to propagation of sound waves through bose-einstein condensates (a REALLY cold state of matter that is composed of many atoms' nuclei in a mode-locked state... is the best way to think of it is that are able to tap one atom and all of them will move in synch with each other in response to your tapping... they act as one "superatom"); and the idea can be applied to sound waves travelling through black holes, neutron stars, or other similarly ultra dense forms of matter.

      Phonons are also typically confined to solid materials. In liquids and gases, the correct term (and way of thinking of the wave) is a sound wave.

    31. Re:Can somebody explain ... by barawn · · Score: 1

      In fluid mechanics you don't call the carriers phonons. You call them molecules. :D
      And the wave itself is called a sound wave. :)


      I'm not talking about the carrier particles, which are electrons in a conductor, atoms in a lattice, and of course, molecules in a liquid. I'm talking about the quanta of the wave itself.

      The wave propagates through intermolecular forces. It's quantized, just like any other propagation of energy. What those quanta are called for a liquid or a gas, I don't know.

      And the carriers are either particles (atoms/molecules/electrons/ions)

      Again, I'm talking about the quanta of the wave itself. They're not real particles, just like the photons aren't real either (they're virtual - they don't need to be on mass-shell), but they are quantized.


      Phonons are also typically confined to solid materials. In liquids and gases, the correct term (and way of thinking of the wave) is a sound wave.


      A phonon is a sound wave - it's just the quantum of it. It's exactly the same as a "photon" is a quantum of an electromagnetic wave.

      Hence the name phonon.

    32. Re:Can somebody explain ... by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      But that's not entirely correct.

      A phonon is a quantized element (as you said). It's also the measure of vibration modes in molecules. In fluids, a phonon can exist on a per-molecule or per-atom basis. You can have phonons travelling up and down a molecule if you want; it's just a word for the vibrational modes.

      Sound propogation in fuilds (NOT solids) is caused by kinetic interaction of molecules and atoms. Any phonons that exist are a subset of the sound wave.

      You see the difference? Phonons require the vibrational modes to be attached to some physical structure. Sound waves in a fluid are NOT explicitly quantized using photons. This is due to the fact that your sound waves depend on molecular/atomic collisions by molecules/atoms that are NOT locked in a lattice or other locked arrangement relative to their neighbors. You can talk about phonons in a CO2 molecule, but not in a CO2 gas.

      You won't hear of phonons in a fluid (it doesn't make sense). But you will hear of EM force carriers (photons) interacting.

      All of the above is my point: phonons don't exist in a gas. They exist for structures that are physically locked relative to their neighbors (crystals, bose-einstein condensates, ultra-dense matter, molecules, etc).

      As to your statement about not talking about carrier particles... you did state in GP post:
      Actually, the wave in the lake is carried by something akin to phonons (heck, they might be phonons - I hate fluid mech). That is, the wave is "transmitted" by quanta of the intermolecular forces, not by any particles in the medium itself.

      I was informing you that the actual wave is carried by kinetic interaction of the molecules and atoms in the fluid. A phonon would NOT be the carrier.

  4. Light switching CPU mentioned before? by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

    Wasn't some light-something-or-other kind of CPU mentioned somewhere about a year or so ago? I remember that they got that one up to 8Ghz or something like that (must need a huge heatsink). Somebody refresh my memory...

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    1. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by amalcon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (must need a huge heatsink).

      Actually, one of the major benefits of optical computing is that you don't need a heatsink at all. This is because the heat put out by a CPU is due to inefficiency (in other words, because they are not room-temperature superconductors). There is little to no inefficiency in modern optical cable, especially compared to copper wiring.

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    2. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by Laser+Dan · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I believe that one of the reasons optical CPUs are attractive is that they WOULDNT need a huge heatsink. The heat in chips is caused by the losses when the transistors switch, optical CPUs don't have any transistors so don't have these losses. There will probably be a loss of light which could heat up the chip in a similar way, but I can't see why speed would have anything to do with it in an optical CPU. Speed effects the heat in electrical CPUs because higher speed = more switching = more switching losses per second. I don't THINK this would happen in an optical CPU because there is no gate capacitance to charge etc so the time a switch is partially on (highest losses) will be ridiculously small, so loss will occur for a shorter time = less heat. Probably.

    3. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by Laser+Dan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is very little loss in the FETs in a CPU either, until you start switching them really fast.

      I'm pretty sure there will be switching losses in optical switches as well, especially while they are changing state. Optical CPUs probably won't need a heatsink until they become very advanced and operate way above the speeds achievable now, but its likely they will eventually. After all, the first few computers I had didn't need a heatsink either.

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    4. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      Well, it certainly wouldn't have been an optical cpu you are thinking about.

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    5. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by jannic · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is not true, at least for this kind of optical switch. In the article, the authors state that it takes 0.15pJ to generate the free carriers. This sets a single switch to 'on', a single time, for about 500ps. If you assume that a switch is turned on, on average, 50% of the time, a single switch would consume 0.15mW. An optical CPU with one million switches would therefore need 150W, at 2 GHz. If you want a faster switch, you must reduce the carrier lifetime. Therefore you need more pump power to keep the switch turned on. So power consumption would increase linearly with clock speed.
      And these numbers do not include any other losses, and assume that you can recover all the pump light which is not absorbed in the ring. If you don't recover that pump light, power consumption goes up by a factor of 166. (So you'd need 25kW for the 2GHz CPU with 10^6 switches...)

    6. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      IANAEE, but if the system is very efficient, it doesn't matter how much power it's consuming with regards to the consumption of the CPU. An optical CPU should still generate far less heat than an electronic CPU with far lower efficiency, given the same levels of power consumption.

      I'm probably wrong, because again I'm not an electrical engineer...

    7. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by v1 · · Score: 1

      There is loss in an optical chip as described here. When gates are set to "opaque" mode, light that hits them is either absorbed or reflected, and if reflected, eventually absorbed somewhere else. Light that passes all the gates is eventually absorbe by a detector or by the switch portion of another optical gate. (remember that ALL energy put into a processor eventually is turned into heat, it doesn't just disappear)

      All of the absorption translates the energy of the light to energy of heat. Don't fool yourself, optical chips will get just as hot as (if not hotter than) the electronic chips of today.

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    8. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      given the same levels of power consumption

      given this, the heat produced will be identical, and IAAEE.

    9. Re:Light switching CPU mentioned before? by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      That was actually a DSP. And it was a DSP built for a specific purpose. It was a military application/experiment if I recall correctly.

  5. Its faster. by Tracer_Bullet82 · · Score: 1, Informative

    One: Its faster than a normal circuits.
    Two: It consume less power.

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  6. Great commercial slogan potential! by GozzoMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    "FASTER THAN LIGHT COMPUTING!" ... uh, "fast-AS-light" in fact. damn, never mind.

    1. Re:Great commercial slogan potential! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Too late! Apple were boasting about their "faster than light" processors a couple of years ago.

      Insert the obvious Steve Jobs reality distortion field jokes here...

    2. Re:Great commercial slogan potential! by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      "FASTER THAN LIGHT COMPUTING!" ... uh, "fast-AS-light" in fact. damn, never mind.

      Hey I wonder, if you overclocked such a computer, would you go back in time?

  7. Few Questions by TheUnknownOne · · Score: 1

    Any idea exactly how fast this would be? Its power requirements? How long until people start seeing this used in "real" situations?

    1. Re:Few Questions by jannic · · Score: 1

      The 'switch', as presented in the article, is far from useable in real applications, especially for fast optical computing. If you look at Fig. 3, you see that it switches on very quickly (a few ps), but switching off, again, is relatively slow. It takes on the order of 500ps, so switching speed is limited to ~2GHz. (Probably lower, because after 500ps, only half of the free carriers recombined)

      But they also noticed that faster carrier recombination could be reached by surface modifications, or ion implantation.

    2. Re:Few Questions by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      Your guess is as good as anyone else's. There's enough that we don't know about this stuff to make any somewhat exact answer meaningless.

    3. Re:Few Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they are already pretty close to real applications. To get higher carrier recombination is not difficult (usually it's a problem to get low recombination rates, e.g. in laser diode applications this is always an issue).

      The bigger problem is to generate the pump pulse in a small and affordable device because you need a short pulse and high peak power (they have a few Watts of peak power, if I calculated correctly).

  8. Why silicon? by ChrisMDP · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It is highly desirable to use silicon...

    What the poster and the article both neglect to mention for us simpler types is why silicon is desirable.

    Is it simply because it requires less modification to the production pipeline, or is there another more scientific reason?

    Perhaps a scientific slashdotter can enlighten us. Ahem.

    1. Re:Why silicon? by amalcon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IANA...well, I am not a person whose speculation on this matter should be taken seriously. Nonetheless, I would wager that the reason for this is: Silicon is very common on Earth. As I recall, it's the most common element which is solid at room temperature. This makes it inexpensive.

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    2. Re:Why silicon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      possibly something to do with the refractive index of silicon?

    3. Re:Why silicon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I would guess that their end goal would be a light transistor - ie: a transistor that can be used in circuits of light, rather than electricity. All the previous work I've seen of this type require materials that are more expensive than silicon, gallium arsenide is one that comes up a lot, because silicon does not have the necessary photo-electric properties (it's complicated, electons dropping to lower shells and emitting a photon etc, go for a google.) That these researchers have managed to produce what looks like the beginnings of a workable light transistor in silicon is very significant as it means we could see these in mass market products at some stage.

    4. Re:Why silicon? by flyingman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because silicon is well established in the semiconductor industry and therefore cheap to obtain easy to process into semiconductor devices.

      On the other, almost all optical devices (LEDs, laser diodes) are made from III-V compund semiconductors like Galliumarsenide (GaAs), InAs, AlAs, GaN, GaP and so on. These are not available as large crystalline blocks and thus there are no such things as 300mm wafers. They are usually fabricated by expensive methodes. However, they are the only practical solution because the are so-called direct semiconductors - you just cannot do optics with indirect band-gap semiconductors like silicon.

      Now, if you find THE technological trick to do optics with silicon, you benefit from the cheap silicon technology and are ready to build optical computers with cheap fabrication technology. There are some tricks around already like mixing silicon with germanium (SiGe) or putting in nano-crystals so the silicon are catching up in doing optics.

    5. Re:Why silicon? by mpeeters · · Score: 1

      Because all or most of the fabs are geared towards Si CMOS circuitry, and without a clear path for these multi-billion production facilities to migrate to, the big players in the semiconductor electronics industry are not going to budge one inch from their "roadmap" (google for it - don't have time). Hint: GaAs or other more exotic direct bandgap semiconductors are not on their "favoured" list.

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    6. Re:Why silicon? by hopey · · Score: 5, Informative

      My research area is silicon based optoelectronics and we are trying to fabricate efficient light emitting silicon based components. Basic components are made from MOS-structures with incorporated excess silicon to the silicon dioxide layer. After this the device is annealed at high temperature and the excess silicon forms so called nanocrystals inside the oxide. This allows the direct electron transition like in III-V group semiconductors.

      In basic structures the efficiency is however very poor. All kinds of tricks are needed in order to get the efficiency in range of direct bandgap semiconductors. We do not know yet if it is possible :)

      One of the reasons to use silicon for IC technology is its very good native oxide. You can produce dielectric with breakdown voltages of 10MV/cm with only annealing in oxygen. Think about it 100 nm of silicon dioxides breakdown voltage is over 100 V!

    7. Re:Why silicon? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      It's cheap, it's easy to machine into micro-structures like teeny-tiny little transistors and electrical components, and eventually you have to connect it to something else. If it's silicon the whole way from optical switch to controller switch to CPU to whatever, everything can be much smaller and integrated into the same component without extra places to connect devices to each other or have extra leads. Think the difference between transistors, millions of them on a chip for your CPU, and having to do it all with vacuum tubes. Silicon is your *friend* for teeny things.

    8. Re:Why silicon? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      As I recall, it's the most common element which is solid at room temperature.

      But is it solid at P4/Opteron temperatures?-)

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    9. Re:Why silicon? by sparlitup · · Score: 1

      Si is a good waveguiding material and its optical properties are well known. That is the bottom line.

      If you make everything on a silicon chip, you can create complex devices the require no chip-level post wafer integration. That is currently the case for electronics based chips, like your CPU. Compound optical devices at present cannot be integrated in the same way. This thing is effectively a transistor switch done opticaly (and most importantly at low power compared to the transmitted signal power[actually, i have not verified this]). So in theory you can now make all the elements of a chip on Si in the same way that electronics components are integrated.
      In theory.
      Optical computing is a possible app, but this is a best speculative as there are a whole mess of other engineering problems to over come before we get there. Basicaly this idea of converting from electronic to optical computing is a bit spurious; its not like converting from coke to pepsi, it requires developing completely new processes and radicaly different technologies. Thats not to say it can't be done, but i wouldn't hold yer breath. We will probably still be reading this stuff via 250watt electronics-based space-heaters in 20 years.
      The app the article actually talks about is all optical comms, well, what he says is true, again in theory. However, given that this device by design operates at one wavelength only, its probably not flexable enough to use in a way that would give it a commercial advantage over OEO (optical-electronic-optical) switches and routers. It ignores the (so far unsolved) problem of dynamic wavelength routing (to name just one problem) in the optical domain. Dynamic here means of the order of the transmission frequency, so 10's of pico seconds for a typical 10Gbs channel.
      I think they probably just stuck that one in to keep the DARPA guys happy as its probably the nearest semi-realistic commercial app.
      This is interesting research level stuff, but is grant-seeking propoganda rather than anything particularly revolutionary.

  9. How good? by F'Nok · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These structures will find their first application in routing devices for fiber-optic communications.
    That's a fantastic use...

    But I'm more interested in optical computing.

    In theory extrememly low power chips should be possible, but what is the absorption rate like, especially in terms of heat, and quantity of reused light.

    That is ofcourse, assuming that this CAN be used for more sophistication chip design.

    Has there been any suggestion of other uses, and if so, what possibilities are there available for such technology?

  10. Many Hands... by zenmojodaddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... make light work.

    1. Re:Many Hands... by corngrower · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quite right, it wasn't really Tom Edison that invented the light bulb, it was his assistant, a native american, Many Hands.

    2. Re:Many Hands... by wildsurf · · Score: 1

      Quite right, it wasn't really Tom Edison that invented the light bulb, it was his assistant, a native american, Many Hands.

      Not only that, but it only required 1/3 of him to screw in a light bulb.

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  11. It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by joelethan · · Score: 4, Funny
    Because as we all know:

    "Many hands make light work!"

    The Cornell Nanophotonics Team

    /JE

    1. Re:It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Informative

      You just copied the post above you, you bastard. Why do people keep doing this?

      -Jesse

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    2. Re:It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by zenmojodaddy · · Score: 1

      Go, Enigma Man, Go!

      And what really chafes is that he's currently modded funnier than me.

      GNYAR!

    3. Re:It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I am at Cornell and work in the same building as Lipson, fabrication is always a team work as it involves many steps and different expertise. The main idea was carried out by Wilson who graduated few weeks ago.

      Stop whinning

    4. Re:It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by joelethan · · Score: 1
      Sorry! Here have some Karma! :-)

      Actually, I did NOT copy you zenmo. That would be shameless and regarded as "poor form". It was good ol' lag during posting.

      Of course:

      1. I posted funnier than you did. ;-)
      2. I posted an informative link.
      3. Many hands were needed to make the point.

      Best thoughts,
      /joelethan

    5. Re:It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by HMA2000 · · Score: 1

      You just copied the post above you, you bastard. Why do people keep doing this?

      -Jesse

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    6. Re:It took a team of 17 people, bravo all... by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. He doesn't know how to troll. He was modded "Funny". Which doesn't increase him karma at all. Quirks of the system, man, quirks of the system.

      Hopefully, I'll be modded informative. Or someone will figure out that I'm karma-whoring by saying this and mod me off-topic. But then my karma's already at Excellent, so mod away.

      It would be funny, however, if I were modded "Funny". Hehe.

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  12. ahhh.. by mr_snarf · · Score: 1, Funny
    The approach developed confines the beam to be switched in a circular resonator, greatly reducing the footprint required on the chip and allowing a very small change in refractive index to shift the material from transparent to opaque
    Ahh, they finally saw the light.
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    1. Re:ahhh.. by GozzoMan · · Score: 0
      Ahh, they finally saw the light.
      For a moment, just for a moment, I had this vision of John Belushi in welding goggles messing about with some hardware monstrousity...

      "four overclock-fried P5s and an light resonating coke, ma'am"
  13. optical fiber... by mirko · · Score: 1

    could this directly exploit optical fiber carried data ?
    at this moment, we still need some converter in between, otherwise, we'd make it even faster than now.

    Anyway, it might open us to new perspective... optical logics would be one, where we'd have "red", "green" and "blue" components which would be combined in some ternary/quaternary way (don't know which, yet).

    Finally, this "color approach" also reminds me of some subparticle-related theory where color are also suggested...

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    1. Re:optical fiber... by Stephen+H-B · · Score: 1
      You're thinking of Quantum Chromodynamics, the theory that describes the interaction of quarks, gluons and nucleons at the nuclear/sub-nuclear level.

      Though quarks are described as having 'colours' (red, blue green) these are not colours per se but are more in the vein of electric charge, although there are three states rather than two (+/-).

      And here's the obligatory link to assure readers I didn't pull this out of my arse. (I did, but they don't need to know that.) IANAP but I have a casual interest in the area.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chromodynamic s.

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  14. Functional casemods? by Spykk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, a use for all those colorful tubes of light.

    1. Re:Functional casemods? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I imagine that this technology will turn the casemod industry on its ear. You certainly wouldn't want your cold cathode lamp interfering with your CPU operation. No strobe lights in your case. The CPU die will be using photons rather than electrons, so no doubt the CPU will be MUCH cooler, and there will be no need for watercooling or peltiers. Windows on the side of cases may disappear, because you wouldn't want someone to use flash photography and make your PC lock up.

      This pretty much sums up my take on the whole case modding thing: Your PC case should be square, and grey, and shoved in a corner where nobody can see it. If you want to impress me, do it with code.

    2. Re:Functional casemods? by idontgno · · Score: 1
      Nonsense. Future casemods will be electrical.

      Jacob's Ladders, Vandegraaff generators, spark-gap devices. All sorts of 30's Sci Fi movie special effects.

      Just you wait.

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  15. Christmas lights? by Danathar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ooooo.....This should make my Christmas tree which uses fiber optics MUCH more interesting!

  16. Switching time?? by TooTechy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's the darn switching time? Can't find it. The really important measurement and I can't find it.

    Herriot-Watt were doing this on a physically bigger scale back in the 80s and managed something like a 10ms switch speed.

    1. Re:Switching time?? by pkhuong · · Score: 3, Informative

      From TFA:

      To turn the switch "off," a second beam of light with a wavelength in the same spectral range is sent through the system. This wavelength is absorbed by the silicon through a process known as two-photon absorption creating many free electrons and "holes" (positively charged regions) in the material. This changes the refractive index of the silicon and consequently shifts the resonant frequency of the ring enough that it will no longer resonate with the 1555.5 nanometer signal. The process can theoretically take place in a few tens of picoseconds.

      Very interesting stuff... It's kind of like EIT, but much more sensitive.

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  17. They probably stole it from the U of Rochester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are the ultimate optics GODS.

  18. how is this any different from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what Xerox created about a year ago with Optical MEMS?

    Here is a Xerox Technology post about Optical MEMS which is an all optical switch using a silicon chip.

    Optical MEMS Source

    1. Re:how is this any different from... by CapnGib · · Score: 1

      The key to optical swithcing speed is to reduce the number of optical to elecrical (O->E) signal conversions and reconversions (E->O).

      Current optical switches work like this:
      Light (Data + switch signal) goes in, convert both to electrical, electronically route the signal, convert to light, light comes out. (2 O->E, 2 E->O)

      Mems:
      Light (data + switch signal) in, convert switch signal to electrical, redirect light using mirrors or waveguides, light comes out. (1 O->E)

      All optical switch:
      Light (data + switch signal) in, redirect light using all optical components, light comes out. (no conversions)

      The all optical switch is theoretically fastest, provided the opto-optic effect used in the switch device is very fast. That is the first hard thing to do and what is highlighted in the Cornell work.

      All-optical switching also requires that the switching signal be distinguishable from the data signal. In this case it means either extracting the switching signal from the optical data signal (think packet header) which potentially means O->E + E->O or you have a separate wavelength or fiber devoted to carrying the switching signal.

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  19. My God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Imagine a beo... never mind

    1. Re:My God by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      "My God, it's full of stars!"
      "Nope, that's just a Beowulf cluster of optical Linux boxen. Nothing to worry about."

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  20. enlightning redundency by drfreejon · · Score: 0

    "allows one low-powered beam of light to switch another on and off" is that like using a flashlight to turn on a wall switch.

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  21. A Fair comparison by slackerny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do not see any use for optics in processing even though photons theoritically travel faster than light. (Remember photons also do not travel at 3*10^8 in a waveguide eg silicon: velocity = c/refractive index and refractive index of silicon ~= 3.5)

    although this would boost the oppurtunity for optics in processing... I do not believe it would be usefull in high speed processing simply because it would be drain lot of power (wall-plug efficiency is being worked on to improve right now!) but this could change..But one thing that cannot change is that the waveguides and devices (need to be atleast as big as the wavelength) are very big compared to the electronic devices...

    here is a fair comparison of wavelengths.
    -optical wavelength = 1.1 microns. electronic wavelength
    -(electrons can be compared in energy to an x-ray photons and so wavelength of x-ray photon - this concept is used in electron microscopy) this is in nanometers 2 orders smaller.

    so the electronic device sizes are 2 orders smaller and so lot more dense.

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    1. Re:A Fair comparison by pluggo · · Score: 1

      here is a fair comparison of wavelengths.
      -optical wavelength = 1.1 microns. electronic wavelength
      -(electrons can be compared in energy to an x-ray photons and so wavelength of x-ray photon - this concept is used in electron microscopy) this is in nanometers 2 orders smaller.


      OK... first off I don't know anything about this. That said, by optical wavelength, I'm guessing 1.1 microns is a particular color of the visible light spectrum. My guess would be that this technology could work with more than just one wavelength... for instance, X-rays, or something smaller (though who knows what kinds of fun radiation that would produce). My guess would be that smaller wavelengths take more power to produce, but I could be wrong.

      Also, someone was talking about photons being able to cross paths without interference. However... Thomas Young's famous double-slit experiment seems to prove otherwise, but like I said I'm not an expert and so would welcome someone's more educated input. It seems, too, like this would act on light waves, rather than individual photons (kind of like how digital signals now are stored as two distinct amounts of voltage), so if this interference is something that only happens when light decides it's a wave, then that might be significant.

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    2. Re:A Fair comparison by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      Also, someone was talking about photons being able to cross paths without interference. However... Thomas Young's famous double-slit experiment seems to prove otherwise, but like I said I'm not an expert and so would welcome someone's more educated input.

      To get interference, you must have two light beams in the same location. The double-slit experiment works because you have two light beams both striking the target at the same spot.

      However, this is a completely different situation. Crossing two light beams at, say, a ninety degree angle, will of course result in interference at the intersection of the two beams. But there won't be any interference before or after the intersection, because only at the intersection are there two beams to interact with each other.

      It's important to remember that interference doesn't modify the waves themselves. Two waves (light, sound, water, etc.) can happily cross each other, interfere at the intersection, and proceed merrily on their ways without being otherwise affected.

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    3. Re:A Fair comparison by slackerny · · Score: 1

      1.1 micron is in the infra red region (Optical is a misnomer) of the electromagnetic spectrum... It is called optical only because of historical reasons.

  22. I never thought... by David+McBride · · Score: 1
    From story:
    The approach developed confines the beam to be switched in a circular resonator

    I never thought I'd see a resonance cascade, let alone create one..!
  23. Re:100 facts and 1 opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    h to the izzo, v to the izzay. is that right? hova? what's that supposed to mean anyway? hova..

  24. In case no one else said it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new photonic-brained overlords.

  25. Nanovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Research on ring resonators has been ongoing for many years and this research at Cornell is great.

    In the boom a few years ago, Nanovations Technologies was a start-up that touted ring resonator technology (in InP not Si). They blew their wad on big trade show booths and bus ads. Nanovation also gave MIT a piece of paper that said they wil give $90Million for research over a period of six years: I don't think MIT got much cash.

    Research for this company came out of Northwestern University. Manufacturing was to be in Michigan, Facility in Ottawa was Apollo which did (does?) FDTD modelling on Ring Resonators.

    G. Robert Tatum, of AT&T fame, put Nanovations corporate offices in Bandwidth Bay, FL (beats the views of the suburbs of Motown and Evanston, IL).

    Equipment at the Michigan manufacturing facilty was sold at a DoveBid auction.

    The company had dedicated engineers but the managment was not on track. The twist in the matter was a holding company held (Stamford International) held shares in Nanovation. Stamford wanted more control in Nano but managed to fly the controls into bankruptcy.

    http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id= 68 07
    http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_i d=96 53&print=true
    http://www.detnews.com/2001/busines s/0107/27/b01-2 55417.htm
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& q=nanovatio n+ring+resonator&btnG=Search
    http://web.mit.edu/n ewsoffice/2000/nanovation.html

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  26. Simple by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Like a similar technology from Lucent, the optical MEMS uses an electrical signal for the control signal.

    While it DOES have the advantage over a fully electronic system in that the optical signal being acted upon is never converted, the control signal itself is electrical. In Lucent's version, an electrical signal would cause a small mirror to move, essentially deciding where the light beam aimed at the mirror would go. (Think of TI's DLP chips, same basic idea.)

    This new development is *fully* optical. Even the control signal.

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  27. light years by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    I remember back in 1990, AT&T had a 4 bit optical computer on a lab bench. I believe it coded data in PCM laser patterns, which were stored in extremely long fiber spools (thousands of Km). Is there any descendant of that technology extant, where lasers are stored by traveling through extremely long distances in a medium?

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    1. Re:light years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google around for optical delay lines.

  28. Interesting, utility in question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Nonlinear switching and wavelength conversion in
    small rings has been shown before, perhaps not in
    silicon. The use of absorption here is going to
    give you a significant switching recovery time and switching energy (power consumption and heat dissipation). You will also probably find that the repetition rate was quite low, because the absorption-induced heating of the ring will also shift the resonance and cause a long-time-constant shift that can be troublesome. At a minimum this will induce bit pattern dependence.
    Although I think the resonator enhancement of these nonlinear effects can be large and useful, one also needs to be aware that the ultimate speed is limited by the bandwidth of the resonance being used. The sharper the resonance, the higher the enhancement, but then the smaller the bandwidth. You are using the energy storage of the resonator to help you, but it takes time to "charge" and "discharge" it.
    Anyway, good luck to them. I am a bit bemused
    by the press splash, since there is quite a bit of
    related work out there over a number of years.
    But hey, keep at it.

  29. photonic qomputing by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Set the quantum spin states of photons leaving a laser, entangle pairs of them, and batch process them in these transphotors. 21st Century LAN parties happen frames per femtosecond and bits per picosecond.

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  30. Just another organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fishing for a M$ discount.

  31. "You do not need light to get speed of light..." by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    As my former advisor used to say in a very relatex context. Yes, if you build any kind of a waveguide (e.g., stripline or coplanar waveguide, or a real one, with metal walls) and send an electric pulse down that, the resulting wave will propagate all the way to the end. And the wave can be viewed as a PHOTON (except that lower frequency than optical).

    If your metal is resistive, you'll dissipate some energy in that, the same as if your leght-transmitting medium is slightly opaque. But no, you do not need to feed extra power to keep the wave propagating.

    The power dissipated in modern semiconductor processors (which do NOT use this mode of wave propagation, BTW) is mostly in CV^2/2 charging/discharging gate and line capacitors to sufficient voltage to open/close the next transistor.

    Paul B.

  32. Re:"You do not need light to get speed of light... by barawn · · Score: 1

    And the wave can be viewed as a PHOTON

    Um - any electromagnetic signal can be viewed as being transmitted by photons, whether it's an electromagnetic pulse down a waveguide, light propagating through free space, or someone changing a voltage on an electrical trace, causing it to switch.

    In the voltage-switch case, the photons are virtual. In the free-space case, they're real. But they're still photons.

    Electron-electron interactions are caused by (virtual) photons. Electrons can't interact with each other directly - there's no such interaction vertex (a three or four point electron vertex).

    This is why electrical signals in a conductor propagate at (basically) the speed of light. The electric field is transmitting the signal, and the electric field is just virtual photon exchanges.

    But no, you do not need to feed extra power to keep the wave propagating.

    Electrical signals take a certain number of particles per second to generate a detectable signal. Photonic signals also would take a certain number of particles per second to generate a detectable signal.

    For an equivalent signal/noise ratio, photons have the capability of requiring far, far less particles/second (because the noise floor is so much lower, and virtually everything is transparent enough to have virtually no "resistance"). Since particles/second is proportional to power in both cases (save in the case of a superconductor, but no one's going to suggest superconducting computers) .

    That's why I said it takes more power to transmit a signal electrically than photonically.

    OK, ok, so it was a somewhat poor analogy. But it is true that resistive (or absorption) losses for an electronic chip are going to be significantly higher than for a photonic chip. Granted, resistive losses don't contribute much, but it doesn't make the argument wrong.

  33. It's obsolete, guys by yabbo · · Score: 1

    The only device that anybody should ever need to control light is "The CLAPPER".


    You guys and your bloody semiconductor devices...
  34. I guess we can agree about physics here... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    But this one caught my eye:

    (save in the case of a superconductor, but no one's going to suggest superconducting computers)

    You know, it is funny but for the last 15 years of my life I've been personally involved with designing just such a beast and I can claim that I do suggest building it pretty soon... ;-) In any case, superconductor technology is way more mature than anything that photonics can offer right now.

    Actually, the quote in GP Subj: was from my former adviser Prof. Kostya Likharev said in exactly this context: with Josephsonics you can get extremely sharp pulses (~1ps) propagating along superconductor transmission line with the speed of light (in medium) AND they also can easily interact with each other, unlike photons.

    Well, I can continue this discussion if you find it entertaining... ;-)

    Paul Bunyk

    P.S. Reminds me of an old probability theory joke about conditional probabilities. OK, the odds that I look out my window and the first pedestrian I see is a man is about 1/2, odds that I see two men in a row is 1/4, etc. So, two guys made a bet, one betting that they will see 10 men in a row (1/1024, right?), the other thought that he was stupid, of course. They walked to the window and saw some kind of a military parade marching by on the street. ;-)

    Now, what are the odds that you find a superconductor electronics guy on /. ?

  35. Nothing informative about this. by beanluc · · Score: 1

    Actually, the wave in the lake is carried by something akin to phonons (heck, they might be phonons - I hate fluid mech). That is, the wave is "transmitted" by quanta of the intermolecular forces, not by any particles in the medium itself.

    What an unhelpful comment. Sure, the actual force is carried between charged poles and between particles By Pho[N]ons, uh huh, at rate C, of course, bravo for your brilliance.

    The wave damn well does propagate through/via "particles in the medium itself". See that H2O bouncing up and down? Isn't the poor GP's illustration acceptable, Mr. Man?

    Lastly, what the hell do photons have to do with fluid mech? It's not quantum electrodynamics, chummy.

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  36. feature size, switching speed? by MMHere · · Score: 1

    What is the equivalent (silicon transistor) gate size for a photonic switch? (E.g., 13nm for recent silicon fab processes.)

    How fast does it switch? (E.g., 2.4GHz for currently affordable Pentiums.)

  37. Posting a wiki story is a bad idea... by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

    Unless having 500 slashdotters perform the "wiki test" (deleting 5 articles and checking to see if they are rewritten) is your idea of fun...

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    Yeah. Would you choose a neurosurgeon who pokes around people's brains in his spare time? I wouldn't.