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Microsoft Just Wants a Little Look
waynegoode writes "Do you want to let Microsoft check if your copy of Windows is legit? How about if they promise it's anonymous? How about if they give you some free stuff? Recently Microsoft launched their Genuine Advantage Program to let you (and Microsoft) check if your OS is legal. They hoped for 20,000 responses but received 800,000 without offering anything but piece of mind. Now they are throwing in a bunch of free and discounted stuff including Photo Story 3 and the Holiday Fun Pack to try to get more volunteers. Read more at news.com and Microsoft Watch."
(posted as AC to protect my identity)
I have bought enough Dell's to have windows XP CDs out the ying-yang, but I hate having to go through the activation process each time I format a PC. I own licenses for each computer, all I want is a clean windows installation with no Dell OEM crap. So this is what I did:
1) Downloaded the Devil's 0wn corp version of windows.
2) Slipstreamed SP2 into the install CD.
3) Downloaded a keygen for SP2.
4) Installed Windows with serial from keygen.
I just downloaded Microsoft's authentication tool, and it said my copy was valid. I can download updates, their crappy photo software, and everything else. Im sure Microsoft is throwing millions of dollars into R&D to create this elaborate activation and serial number system, and yet their own tool says my obviously pirated copy is valid. Way to go.
Because there is actually a way to generate a new key so that you look at least somewhat legit. At least enough to let you update, install service packs, the whole deal, as far as anyone can tell. If Microsoft knows you're a pirate... that's anyone's guess.
Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. -Anonymous
Posted anonymously to protect my job.
Microsoft isn't going after the end users with this program. They honestly don't care whether you personally bought and paid for Windows, because face it, no one goes to Best Buy and plunks down $100 - $300 for an operating system. The goal of this program is to show the value to users of having a genuine copy of Windows. Create "mindshare" if you will, that genuine Windows has greater value than your borrowed/downloaded/pirated copy. This will hopefully, in turn, encourage users to demand genuine Windows when they buy a PC. Again, face it, when people buy a new PC, they buy Windows. Most never upgrade after that. By creating users who ask for genuine Windows when they buy a PC, Microsoft can indirectly assert pressure on small OEM's and System Builders, where the largest amount of counterfeit Windows is sold to unsuspecting users. Even Microsoft realizes it's unfair to punish users who honestly believe their copy of Windows is legit.
You'll notice that those who fail validation are asked to provide (largely generic) information regarding their PC and their purchase. They get a 'courtesy key' in most cases that allows them access to the content (creating the image of a kinder, more benevolent Microsoft). It also goes straight into a reporting database where Microsoft can track trends like which resellers are selling large amounts of counterfeit copies of Windows.
Regardless of your software ideals, stealing software is wrong, and it's certainly within Microsoft's rights to restrict premium content to genuinely licensed copies of Windows. Validation isn't locking any genuinely licensed users out of any content; in fact, a large percentage of those people with counterfeit licenses will still be able to access downloads. Microsoft has also committed to allowing all counterfeit licenses to access critical security updates via Automatic Updates, probably so they don't get lambasted in the press for "denying users security fixes."
I'll try to answer any further questions that get posted as a reply to this post.
Here in my country, a 'developing" nation I'd wager the piracy rate(for MS) is at 70-80%.
You didn't tell us what your country is. I'd be interested in knowing.
I'd wager MS would not view 'stealing' that led them to a dominant position is wrong.
You're missing a key fact. Microsoft is not a government, and they're not concerned with the morality of the public. Their concern is extracting the greatest amount of profit out of the public (ultimately, this is the goal of every company; Microsoft just happens to be wildly successful at it). Microsoft realizes that developing countries typically have high piracy rates; you'll also notice that you haven't seen very many news articles of Microsoft goons breaking down doors and carting off Windows pirates. Microsoft uses the force of law when it's profitable for them to do so (BSA software audits at large corporations). In other cases, crippled software at a lower price point helps keep users paying SOMETHING to Microsoft rather than moving to a free alternative (witness Windows XP Starter Edition, available soon in countries like Russia, Thailand, and Malaysia).
What are you talking about? Its quite easy to verify if Windows is "Phoning Home". Its called a nifty packet logger, or even better a firewall.
The difficulty here is to know, what "Home" really is. Do you believe that microsoft.com are the only hidden servers that MS spyware would contact? MS can easily hide their "Phoning Home" as absolutely normal surfing to innocouus servers. You'd have a hard time to dissect the logfiles of your firewll or packet logger to find out!
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
Microsoft are recognising the competition here because it potentially earns them revenue by selling a quantity of legit versions of XP. I don't think they would be quite so forthcoming with Firefox support for a service they don't stand to directly gain from - for example, I don't see windows update support through Firefox happening any time soon.
Sunday you're Thinking Different, Monday you're a huge tool, paying too much and waiting to think like everyone else.
If by that you mean "doesn't a particular copy of the software only accept a particular key", then no, that's not generally how it works. That would require that every single copy of the software that was shipped was different, which would hugely increase duplication costs (as you now can't just press them all based on a single master).
They way it works is that there's an algorithm that accepts an input string and checks some property of it - eg number of letters and numbers, add up the numbers and check their total (possibly modulo some other number), etc. Essentially, there is an algorithm that takes a string and says "yes, this is a valid key" or "no, that's garbage". That means that you can use any (valid) key with any copy of the software. It also means, if you can work out the algorithm, that you can *generate* valid keys. For example, if you know that the key has to be "letter letter letter number number number" then you know that AAA111, AAA112, AAA113, etc will all work, whether they've been issued by the software manufacturer or not.
I think the XP key checker is a little more sophistacted than that - I *think* that Home and Pro use different types of key, for example, and that the corporate site licence versions (which don't require product activation) use a third type of key. There may also be differences between full retail and OEM keys. (That's ok though, as Pro and Home are already different, and so require different duplication runs anyway, so there's no extra cost. OEM and full retail CDs are also different, at least as far as the writing on the CD goes.) That said though, at worst any retail XP Pro key will work with any retail XP Pro copy, and so on.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
ME is still *supported* AFAIK, but from what I read 95 isn't and I don't know about 98...but even if it is, it's not still generating MS money.
Support for Windows products up to Windows 95 was discontinued some time ago, and IIRC Windows 98 support will end next year. MS's plan is to only support ME and XP for home users, and Server 2000/2003 for...well...servers, just about forcing businesses and schools that run nonsupported OS's to upgrade.
How does this score a 4? Are the mods so out of touch with the world. This box is up to date as of this morning with patches and updates but has never had a legal cd key.
Phones to low-tech for you?
Don;t trust the person on the other end? Don;t worry, its a machine.
Struggle typing in all those long numbers?
I have rung the MS Phone activation many times. Simple, Quick, and WORKS. Allowing you to run your legal copy legally.
Its a free-phone number.
Why do you say "Not gonna happen"?
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Actually, I've seen (US) Windows 2000 ISOs that take a slight modification of a French W2K CD key, and barf all over regular US keys.
Now, as for XP, the OEM CDs rarely have the same content as the retail CDs, unless your PC manufacturer is a whiteboxer. Notice on many newer computers the icon right below Run in the start menu? Dell puts "Dell Solution Center", I've seen Averatec puts something there, and I'm sure others do too. This is something on the CD. I know, because in a pinch, I had to grab a Dell WinXP Pro CD for an HP, and it worked, but showed the Dell Solution Center in the start menu. (Reminds me, I need to crack that copy still - it's never going to touch the Internet)
While WebFear certainly has holes in it you could float an aircraft carrier through, we've had zero problems with support over the past three years. Call in a pr, explain the issue to the drone in India on the phone, tell them the problem is in a production environment and you get a call back within a few hours from an actual engineer. I've gotten support for them on an unsupported OS and their fixes worked (running WSAD on Fedora Core 2).
You can use iKeyman to figure out what certs you're using, btw. Just use the right iKeyman...
this is getting old and so are you
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