Submitter is British and obviously a smug fucking prick as he reads The Guardian - therefore exactly the type of person to say "discuss" as if to illustrate his moral superiority by virtue signalling.
Note to submitter: If you read this, sorry if I made you choke on your cale and quinoa hummus salad. I just dislike smug pricks.
Can we just read about the history of Bell, without having some SJW agenda pushed down our collective throats in an entirely transparent way?
What comes next? "This vintage set of pictures of the 1993 Super Bowl winning Dallas Cowboy's side. What these pictures really show us is that the gender pay gap is skewed 100% to men, INFINITY against women and therefore every cis het white male scum should kill themselves now."
Here --> http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/Michael-Bay-H D-DVD.html Michael Bay says that he had drank the "Blu-Ray Kool Aid", and is now back on to do Transformers 2, as he likes the $200 HD-DVD player range. He also thinks 300 on HD-DVD rocks!
So after years of telling us that the command line is dead, it's not dead anymore? I'm confused...
However, I am looking forward to lots of Windows users becoming "l337" overnight because they now know a couple of commands for msh, in much the same way as all gentoo users are uber coders, as they've regularly sat and watched screenfulls of text scroll past.
Microsoft most likely do it as well, as will every software manufacturer wanting to sell software within China.
What if there was a country in the future that didn't recognise Hawaii as a US state? What if the government demanded that software manufactured in that country had to be changed to recognise this in order to be sold in the US?
Making a separate Chinese version is not evil, it's just common business sense...
"Paul Ducklin, head of technology in Asia Pacific for antivirus firm Sophos, agrees that security discussions about Mac OS -- and Linux -- are not constructive because too many users believe they are "secure by design".
"I know a lot of people that are 'linux heads' and they believe they are secure by design rather than accepting that they are actually secure by accident," said Ducklin, who pointed out that last year a very dangerous piece of malware was discovered for Mac OS X.
Dubbed Renepo (alias Opener), Ducklin said the malware: "turns off system accounting, turns off the OS 10 firewall, turns off auto updates, turns file-sharing on, opens an SSH back door, downloads and installs an open source video conferencing program and opens it in 'do not advise the user mode'."
Opening up an SSH back door certainly seems to be an effort to 'steal personal info'. It's exactly the belief that Macs are either secure by design, or not popular enough / too obscure to make them a tempting target for the authors that will make the first major widescale virus attack completely catastrophic for unprotected Mac users.
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Interesting how every time we see a new Gnome release announcement, you see pages and pages of comments about how Gnome sucks and KDE is better, yet every time there's a KDE announcement, the comments are filled with KDE fanboy-ism.
Wow! Gnome must really suck right? Wrong. Let's take a look at the top 5 distros in Distrowatch right now:
Ubuntu and Fedora are primarily Gnome based. Mandriva and MEPIS are primarily KDE based. SUSE has a strong gnome and KDE offering, and also is owned by Novell who own what used to be Ximian so I guess we can call that one 50/50. Which leaves the distrowatch DE table at:
So there are over 1000 more hits on a distro using sucky old Gnome than KDE a day? But wait a minute! Gnome? But that sucks!
Hmmmm looks like what we have here is a case of the "vocal minority". - we've seen it all before... Users become attached to "their" desktop environment, and when it's not the most popular, and it's not getting all the limelight, and it's not being adopted right left and centre in big business, and not getting a lot of the major commercial support of the other desktop environment, they start to get insecure. They mask this insecurity with vocal fanboy-ism and immaturity. Which takes us right up to present day, this gnome release announcement and the whole KDE vs Gnome trolling thing (which aptly reflects on the caliber of user of this Fisher Price environment).
Sorry guys, but the DE wars are nearly over - and you guys are taking a beating from a combination of the true adoption of many exciting new freedesktop technologies, a desire to look like something other than Windows, and the embracement of Gnome from big business. The funny thing is, this is not looking like changing any time soon, no matter how many of you fanboys decide to get up off your lard butts and flame spatial browsing. Krap!
Foresight Linux 0.9 has just been announced in the last couple of hours, and not only is it the first distro to include stable Gnome 2.12, but also a whole stack of innovative bleeding edge Gnome apps that you won't find on your normal distro!
Or, you can choose the vastly superior Foresight Linux and avoid waiting a whole month just to use an antiquated package management system and a frigged-with version of Gnome 2.12...
It's excellent news to see that a future generation of Gnome users, and maybe even some Gnome hackers is forming in New Zealand!
IMO, although this is a win for Novell and their distro, it's an even bigger win for the much maligned "simplification" policy that Ximian spearheaded for Gnome. Sure, there are other desktop environments with thousands of configuration options for just about everything, but at the end of the day, this is just further proof that the customise to the max design ethos just isn't practical in a real world environment.
Over here we have Kodak photo kiosks - you insert, a variety of different memory sticks, a CD-ROM or even infra red pictures from your cell, and you can do basic editing and print out your pictures - on kodak paper, as if they'd been processed. You can even take home a Kodak Photo-CD of your images!
I wonder what would stop me upping a bunch of copyrighted material onto a memory stick and then getting prints? Kodak could be in for a STACK of lawsuits if this is upheld.
(The bigger issue is, when did this copyright paranoia appear? I rememer taking an old cartridge loading point n click camera to an art museum on school trips and photographing tons of copyrighted material - I don't remember being denied processing on all that!)
Dominos UK (http://www.dominos.co.uk) has had a web orders facility (and interactive digital TV) for the last four years. Is this really just catching on over the pond?
I guess the big question is, what point am I missing here?
Am I going senile here, or is this the same Nokia that gave a large handout to the Mozilla corporation?
This move just doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever to me, as if you believe the rumours, they had some kind of gecko based browser already up and running. All I can assume is that it just didn't cut the mustard.
I think maybe you've been a little harsh on Evo, which is generally a very nice and solid email client. I'll look at a few of your points here.
"There is a 3 second pause on my computer between clicking "New Mail" and the window appearing."
Yes, the first time you click the new button, there can be a small pause. However, it is near instantaneous with every subsequent click.
"There is no *simple* way of changing the date format (mm/dd/yy -> dd/mm/yy which europeans prefer)"
I have it dd/mm/yy as default on my system. Might I suggest looking at your country settings? I have a feeling that you might be running American localisation.
"There is no sensible simple mail notification."
This is correct. However, as you are using Gnome, there are a myriad of new mail applets that you can use to help fill this gap.
"The junk mail filter is crap."
This seems odd. IIRC, Evolution uses spam assasin which is very highly regarded in the open source community. I have had excellent results after a week of training it. Are you remembering to tell it what is and isn't spam?
"almost all modern spell-checking applications offer suggestions in a context menu"
This is just design ethos. I actually think the window works a little better as it offers more flexibility with the spell checking - for example, I can choose to use a different directory to look at the offending word if I need to.
"New Junk is not marked as unread."
Junk is junk, and goes in the junk folder. Surely you delete junk from the junk folder after you've checked it for a false positive? I'm not sure why you would want to hold on to reams of spam - perhaps the problem here is the way you use email rather than the client itself.
"Sending a mail twice takes a whole load of inelegant cutting and pasting."
No it doesn't. Locate the email in your sent folder. Double-click it. Choose "Edit as new message" from the actions menu.
"There is no way to automatically fetch mail immediately after startup"
This is correct. However, if you set your email to automatically check every minute, you get your email automatically just 60 seconds after startup. Besides, you've manually intervened to start Evolution up in the first place, so why not take the extra step of clicking "Send/Receive"?
"You HAVE to specify a mail server in the Evo startup wizard."
Duh! Where else is your email going to come from?
I hope that a few of my suggestions will help you reevaluate Evolution. I am forced to use Outlook on a daily basis at work, and believe me, Evolution knocks it into a cocked hat, especially for the power user!
Why is Dvorak specifically pointing the finger at Linux "extremeists". Every operating system has it's fringe members, from Mac OSx, through Workbench, and even *gasp* Windows - here's a perfect example of the latter group
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Submitter is British and obviously a smug fucking prick as he reads The Guardian - therefore exactly the type of person to say "discuss" as if to illustrate his moral superiority by virtue signalling.
Note to submitter: If you read this, sorry if I made you choke on your cale and quinoa hummus salad. I just dislike smug pricks.
Oh do fuck off.
Can we just read about the history of Bell, without having some SJW agenda pushed down our collective throats in an entirely transparent way?
What comes next? "This vintage set of pictures of the 1993 Super Bowl winning Dallas Cowboy's side. What these pictures really show us is that the gender pay gap is skewed 100% to men, INFINITY against women and therefore every cis het white male scum should kill themselves now."
Apparently, the worst bloatware can be found on the iphone 4. I believe it's called 'ios' or something...
Sent from my nexus one
> Having your personal music integrated into a title
Audiosurf immediately springs to mind
> a 'natural' gesture multitouch interface
Erm.... Wii anyone?
> a single online store that sells games, media, and video
Blimey! How did they ever come up with that one? Maybe by looking at the same thing on either the PS3 or Xbox 360.....
They are when we're discussing Apple.
It's pretty much well established that if people want to use a good looking Linux desktop, they'll use Gnome....
So what are you saying here? That violence was "pointless" and "ineffective" when dealing with Hitler?
> I'm a big Apple fan & I love their approach of using/contributing to open source software
You're fucking kidding me right? Apple's actual approach to open source is "Ooooh, we'll take that, and that, oh - and THAT too! Thanks!"
It's a version of Firefox for smug people.
RTFA!
H D-DVD.html Michael Bay says that he had drank the "Blu-Ray Kool Aid", and is now back on to do Transformers 2, as he likes the $200 HD-DVD player range. He also thinks 300 on HD-DVD rocks!
Here --> http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/Michael-Bay-
So does anyone have a link to a supplier of these knock offs internationally?
So after years of telling us that the command line is dead, it's not dead anymore? I'm confused...
However, I am looking forward to lots of Windows users becoming "l337" overnight because they now know a couple of commands for msh, in much the same way as all gentoo users are uber coders, as they've regularly sat and watched screenfulls of text scroll past.
Dude, this is hardly unique to Google - look... a video game even did that too:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Manager#Chi
Microsoft most likely do it as well, as will every software manufacturer wanting to sell software within China.
What if there was a country in the future that didn't recognise Hawaii as a US state? What if the government demanded that software manufactured in that country had to be changed to recognise this in order to be sold in the US?
Making a separate Chinese version is not evil, it's just common business sense...
I'll give you this link now, before you suffer a period of enforced downtime at the hands of the inevitable.
-> www.foresightlinux.com
Now - don't say I never do anything nice for anyone!
"Paul Ducklin, head of technology in Asia Pacific for antivirus firm Sophos, agrees that security discussions about Mac OS -- and Linux -- are not constructive because too many users believe they are "secure by design".
"I know a lot of people that are 'linux heads' and they believe they are secure by design rather than accepting that they are actually secure by accident," said Ducklin, who pointed out that last year a very dangerous piece of malware was discovered for Mac OS X.
Dubbed Renepo (alias Opener), Ducklin said the malware: "turns off system accounting, turns off the OS 10 firewall, turns off auto updates, turns file-sharing on, opens an SSH back door, downloads and installs an open source video conferencing program and opens it in 'do not advise the user mode'."
Opening up an SSH back door certainly seems to be an effort to 'steal personal info'. It's exactly the belief that Macs are either secure by design, or not popular enough / too obscure to make them a tempting target for the authors that will make the first major widescale virus attack completely catastrophic for unprotected Mac users.
Interesting how every time we see a new Gnome release announcement, you see pages and pages of comments about how Gnome sucks and KDE is better, yet every time there's a KDE announcement, the comments are filled with KDE fanboy-ism.
Wow! Gnome must really suck right? Wrong. Let's take a look at the top 5 distros in Distrowatch right now:
1 Ubuntu 2737
2 Mandriva 1635
3 Fedora 1310
4 SUSE 1277
5 MEPIS 1155
Ubuntu and Fedora are primarily Gnome based. Mandriva and MEPIS are primarily KDE based. SUSE has a strong gnome and KDE offering, and also is owned by Novell who own what used to be Ximian so I guess we can call that one 50/50. Which leaves the distrowatch DE table at:
Gnome - 4047 (Ubuntu + Fedora)
KDE - 2790 (Mandriva + MEPIS)
So there are over 1000 more hits on a distro using sucky old Gnome than KDE a day? But wait a minute! Gnome? But that sucks!
Hmmmm looks like what we have here is a case of the "vocal minority". - we've seen it all before... Users become attached to "their" desktop environment, and when it's not the most popular, and it's not getting all the limelight, and it's not being adopted right left and centre in big business, and not getting a lot of the major commercial support of the other desktop environment, they start to get insecure. They mask this insecurity with vocal fanboy-ism and immaturity. Which takes us right up to present day, this gnome release announcement and the whole KDE vs Gnome trolling thing (which aptly reflects on the caliber of user of this Fisher Price environment).
Sorry guys, but the DE wars are nearly over - and you guys are taking a beating from a combination of the true adoption of many exciting new freedesktop technologies, a desire to look like something other than Windows, and the embracement of Gnome from big business. The funny thing is, this is not looking like changing any time soon, no matter how many of you fanboys decide to get up off your lard butts and flame spatial browsing. Krap!
Foresight Linux 0.9 has just been announced in the last couple of hours, and not only is it the first distro to include stable Gnome 2.12, but also a whole stack of innovative bleeding edge Gnome apps that you won't find on your normal distro!
Foresight Linux will give you an appearance like this out of the box - and 0.9 has just been released with 2.12 stable!!
Or, you can choose the vastly superior Foresight Linux and avoid waiting a whole month just to use an antiquated package management system and a frigged-with version of Gnome 2.12...
It's excellent news to see that a future generation of Gnome users, and maybe even some Gnome hackers is forming in New Zealand!
IMO, although this is a win for Novell and their distro, it's an even bigger win for the much maligned "simplification" policy that Ximian spearheaded for Gnome. Sure, there are other desktop environments with thousands of configuration options for just about everything, but at the end of the day, this is just further proof that the customise to the max design ethos just isn't practical in a real world environment.
I wonder where Kodak stand on all of this.
Over here we have Kodak photo kiosks - you insert, a variety of different memory sticks, a CD-ROM or even infra red pictures from your cell, and you can do basic editing and print out your pictures - on kodak paper, as if they'd been processed. You can even take home a Kodak Photo-CD of your images!
I wonder what would stop me upping a bunch of copyrighted material onto a memory stick and then getting prints? Kodak could be in for a STACK of lawsuits if this is upheld.
(The bigger issue is, when did this copyright paranoia appear? I rememer taking an old cartridge loading point n click camera to an art museum on school trips and photographing tons of copyrighted material - I don't remember being denied processing on all that!)
Dominos UK (http://www.dominos.co.uk) has had a web orders facility (and interactive digital TV) for the last four years. Is this really just catching on over the pond?
I guess the big question is, what point am I missing here?
Am I going senile here, or is this the same Nokia that gave a large handout to the Mozilla corporation?
This move just doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever to me, as if you believe the rumours, they had some kind of gecko based browser already up and running. All I can assume is that it just didn't cut the mustard.
Anyone know any more about this?
I think maybe you've been a little harsh on Evo, which is generally a very nice and solid email client. I'll look at a few of your points here.
"There is a 3 second pause on my computer between clicking "New Mail" and the window appearing."
Yes, the first time you click the new button, there can be a small pause. However, it is near instantaneous with every subsequent click.
"There is no *simple* way of changing the date format (mm/dd/yy -> dd/mm/yy which europeans prefer)"
I have it dd/mm/yy as default on my system. Might I suggest looking at your country settings? I have a feeling that you might be running American localisation.
"There is no sensible simple mail notification."
This is correct. However, as you are using Gnome, there are a myriad of new mail applets that you can use to help fill this gap.
"The junk mail filter is crap."
This seems odd. IIRC, Evolution uses spam assasin which is very highly regarded in the open source community. I have had excellent results after a week of training it. Are you remembering to tell it what is and isn't spam?
"almost all modern spell-checking applications offer suggestions in a context menu"
This is just design ethos. I actually think the window works a little better as it offers more flexibility with the spell checking - for example, I can choose to use a different directory to look at the offending word if I need to.
"New Junk is not marked as unread."
Junk is junk, and goes in the junk folder. Surely you delete junk from the junk folder after you've checked it for a false positive? I'm not sure why you would want to hold on to reams of spam - perhaps the problem here is the way you use email rather than the client itself.
"Sending a mail twice takes a whole load of inelegant cutting and pasting."
No it doesn't. Locate the email in your sent folder. Double-click it. Choose "Edit as new message" from the actions menu.
"There is no way to automatically fetch mail immediately after startup"
This is correct. However, if you set your email to automatically check every minute, you get your email automatically just 60 seconds after startup. Besides, you've manually intervened to start Evolution up in the first place, so why not take the extra step of clicking "Send/Receive"?
"You HAVE to specify a mail server in the Evo startup wizard."
Duh! Where else is your email going to come from?
I hope that a few of my suggestions will help you reevaluate Evolution. I am forced to use Outlook on a daily basis at work, and believe me, Evolution knocks it into a cocked hat, especially for the power user!
Why is Dvorak specifically pointing the finger at Linux "extremeists". Every operating system has it's fringe members, from Mac OSx, through Workbench, and even *gasp* Windows - here's a perfect example of the latter group