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More iPod Killers Introduced for the Holiday

An anonymous reader writes "MP3newswire.net has just released part III and part IV of their iPod Killers for Xmas list. Standouts are a $1200 24K gold-plated player from Jens of Sweeden, a 137 Gig unit called the Xclef, Sony's first true MP3 player, and iRiver's MPEG-4 video jukebox. If you missed them, here are parts I and II."

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  1. Kill the killer by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we do away with the "iPod Killer" thing, it's old. Nothing is going to "kill" the iPod, it has establised itself as the standard for better or worse. It's like the Walkman. In fact, the iPod is the Walkman killer. Nothing that comes out in the short term is going to be an iPod killer.

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    1. Re:Kill the killer by Peyna · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing that costs 4x as much as the iPod will lead to its demise, but if someone made a very comparable product that cost 1/2 as much, then you might have some good competition at least. All that it would really do is serve to bring the price of the units down, which would be the greatest thing for all of us.

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    2. Re:Kill the killer by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can we do away with the "iPod Killer" thing, it's old. Nothing is going to "kill" the iPod, it has establised itself as the standard for better or worse. It's like the Walkman. In fact, the iPod is the Walkman killer.

      With all due respect, sir, you seem to contradit yourself. If iPod cannot be killed because it's like Walkman - and iPod is also a Walkman killer... you can't kill iPod, because it is like something it has killed?

      Personally I think iPod can be killed, precisely because it is like Walkman. But I don't think that Yet Another Digital Music Player will be the iPod killer - I rather think it will be something as different as iPod is different from Walkman. Something based on entirely different technology, allowing - say - on-the-go wireless immediate purchase from online shop with even bigger choice than iTMS.

      PS. I'm a die-hard iPod fan, I bought three of them since the 1st gen; but I also owned several Walkmans...

    3. Re:Kill the killer by GFLPraxis · · Score: 5, Informative

      What bugged me most about the iPod is the not inconsiderable additional outlay I would have to make on cables, adaptors, etc.

      What the heck are you talking about? The iPod comes with the firewire cable, USB 2.0 cable, AC adpter, and headphones. You keep the headphones on your ears, and use either firewire or USB for connecting to the computer. That's IT. What not inconsiderable outlay on cables and adapters are you talking about? Methinks you know very little about iPods.

      In my mind at least, the iPOd was dead.

      See above. There is nothing wrong with the iPod. You walk over to the computer and plug in the firewire cable.

      Over the last two months, I have picked up two Creative Nomad Muvo TX FM players - they are only 256 MB each - I actually like that because it gives me a constant chance to decide my daily playlist on my computer

      You can decide your playlist on the iPod as well, except you wouldn't have to re-upload every day ;)

      Furthermore, The player itself converts effortlessly into a USB drive for those urgent file copy needs. Also, it plays FM, looks slick, has a single-button interface and the wife loves it - two players for $160 total.

      Single button interface? See click wheel.

      Finally, WMP 10 killed my constant usage of iTunes as well mainly because of the Sync List feature.

      Windows Media Player 10. Over iTunes. *snicker*

      The news that Apple is willing to turn off features in its iTunes, a la 4.7, is not surprising

      What are you talking about? iTunes 4.7 adds Photo orginization for the iPod Photo.

      and I, for one, am glad I do not have an iPod.

      So am I. You obviously don't know enough about iPods to use one, no matter how simple the interface. Sorry for being a bit rude, but this post was so know-it-all and anti-iPod that I got annoyed.

  2. So many ipod killers by Norgus · · Score: 5, Funny
    Yet the ipod isn't dead!

    I wonder if they got the sack.

  3. Re:$1200 for 24K? by neonstz · · Score: 5, Funny

    RTFA. It plays Ogg Vorbis, so you'll get about 2 seconds of music with the same quality as the 1,5 second MP3.

  4. $1200 for an mp3 player by jlefeld · · Score: 5, Funny

    After spending that much money I don't have any money left for legal music.

  5. Re:i fail to see... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thirdly, a gold played mp3 player is dumb.

    Don't be ridiculous; if I had an ipod it would just clash horribly with my gold medallions and my extensive collection of gold rings, including that one that goes on all my fingers at once and has my name spelled out in diamonds.

    Some of us have style, man, and that's why we need the gold-plated mp3 players.

  6. Dupe? by Vicsun · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember having read this 'ipod-killer' story before...



    DAMN THOSE EDITORS!!!

  7. Re:iPod killers! by FlashpointWork · · Score: 5, Funny
    The best part in this article is the ad placed in the middle of the page: "RELATED NEWS: Get great deals on the new Apple iPod mini. Starting at under $250".

    Advertising. Never shameless.

  8. It's about design... by JQuick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Design is more than functionality. Design is more than features. It's not about interface, per se. It's not even (as so many claim) that it's about style in the sense of fashion.

    It's the whole shooting match.

    People who don't grok Apple, don't seem to get that.

    I had a can opener. A manual can opener, that I got for about 5 bucks in the early eighties. A maid accidentally threw it out several years ago. Only when it was gone, did I realize how wonderful it was. I searched off-and-on for months trying to find a suitable replacement. I bought 5 can-openers finding each to be annoying to use.

    I finally bought one that was about half as good from a mail order place in Great Britain (I live in the US). Nobody in the world makes a can opener like what I used to own. It was the right weight, and had a perfect gearing. It gripped the lid, and neatly dropped it in the trash. The balance, texure, and feel were simply superb. If I were an architect or other design geek, I would have realized how good it was long ago. As it was, only by comparison with alternatives did I realize how nice it was.

    The iPod, and other great designs from Apple, exhibit this kind of property.

    If you look at a checklist of features, look at particular aspects of functionality, price, or other attributes in isolation, they do not appear special. Through feel, and through use, they just seem right. As a whole, they simply strike many people as right.

    You're right, gold-plated, mpeg enabled, or cheaper, a true iPod killer would have to have the "whole package".

    What's tricky, is that this requires attention to the details of the design which most people are never actually aware. It will take a great deal to "kill" the iPod.

  9. Re:Archos was the competition and might be again. by jht · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's sweet and all, but far from an iPod killer - or even much of a competitor, for that matter.

    Geeks may love the Archos - but remember how everybody on Slashdot panned the iPod when it came out? Well, the iPod became a huge hit, and it wasn't because geeks loved it. It was because normal folks (the ones who are 99%+ of the market) saw the ads for it, saw the product, and said "I'll take one, please".

    In other words, the market doesn't care if you can write software for the Archos, or load custom firmware, or change the skins. They don't give a flying fig if it uses MP3, AAC, WMA, or OGG as the standard format. They want their digital music player to work. Period. And by "work", I mean they want the sound to be good, the device to be simple and attractive, and they want the computer software that drives the library to be simple and capable. And until someone hits all those points better than Apple does, iPod will dominate the market.

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  10. Re:iPod already killed for me by jacobdp · · Score: 5, Informative
    Another was free use of my own files. The iPod, according to the Apple Store, had two modes, which I (not they) call the Free Mode and the Big Brother Mode. The Free Mode, they proudly proclaim, lets you use it as a portable USB drive, plugging in to any computer and doing anything you like with any of your files. Anything, that is, except actually PLAY THEM. That's disabled in Free Mode. This media player won't play any media if you loaded it in Free Mode.

    If you actually want to use the media files you load, you have to use Big Brother Mode, using a special loader app that doubles as a storefront for exactly one store: Apple's own. Your device has to be registered with this app and there are all sorts of arcane rules about how many units of this can be registered with that on which computer and how to properly disable one before you can move to another, etc. Bah!

    Bullshit. You connect your iPod to the computer and it appears as a standard USB (or Firewire) hard drive, working seamlessly under any OS. Your music is stored in a hidden directory (standard Fat32 "hidden" directory, nothing weird there; it's named "iPod_Control"). File formats natively supported include standard MP3, standard AAC (MP4), AIFF, and WAV. The iPod also knows how to go around Apple's copy protection code, but said copy protection is NOT REQUIRED.

    There's a binary database that the metadata is stored in. Apple's iTunes knows how to access this DB, as do several other programs like ephPod, GNUpod (which I personally have used without any problems whatsoever), etc.

    The arcane restrictions and "registration" of which you speak apply ONLY to Apple's "iTunes Music Store", an integrated but OPTIONAL part of the iTunes program (which you don't even have to use). They have nothing to do with music that you obtained elsewhere, i.e. from CD or an MP3 that you already have on your computer. Even if you do buy music from Apple, the restrictions on how many computers you can transfer the music to do NOT apply to the iPod.

    Standard USB or 1394 interface. Standard filesystem. Standard audio codecs. Widely-supported metadata handling (GNUpod, for example, is in Debian.) If you're gonna bash the iPod, at least get your facts right.