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Does Redskins Loss Presage A Kerry Win?
Puny Human Nick writes "As mentioned before, the last home game the Redskins play before the election has predicted who will win since 1944. Well, the Redskins v. Green Bay game ended a few hours ago and it looks as though Kerry is going to win on Tuesday."
It was actually 1932. The washington times quoted it wrong as 1936 also.
http://snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp According to Snopes, Redskins have had magical powers since 1936.
Indeed, let us hope so. Otherwise...
"OH SHIT, THERE'S A HORSE IN THE HOSPITAL!"
The rule follows for the incumbent party, not just the incumbent president. That makes 17 data points now, possibly 18.
It's obviously just a coincidence, but an interesting one at that.
Also, I'm sure that if the Redskins won, we would have had the same story, and the same things would be said except with "Bush" instead of "Kerry".
What?
While the umps named the wrong player, the player on the far right side of the redskins line wasn't set when the ball was hiked, so the call was a good call. They screwed up, and paid the price. Of course, we could say the first part of that about Bush, and I hope the second as well.
Since you brought up football and the election...
here is a scary thought...
Monday football as a terrorist target. It would be right before the election, would be very public, and would impact a large group of people.
Scary...
Davak
Neat how you got modded up for posting incorrect information. The last Redskins home game before the 1996 election was, as has been pointed out, a 31-16 defeat of the Colts. You mentioned an away game.
Congrats on getting all those modpoints, but I wouldn't go patting myself on the back for being insightful or interesting.
No, it didn't. The tradition states that the last Washington home game before the election is predictive. The game you refer to was played in Buffalo. The last home game before that election was against Indianapolis, which the Redskins won. Thus, they predicted the win for the incumbent Democrat. This is also noted on snopes.com.
"No, no, no. Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
I guess that would only affect 40% of us though.
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Ain't that the truth. I read the below this morning and while some of the observations were trenchant ("All politicians are liars"), opting out of the system isn't the proper conclusion.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3439-20
That's because Gore was foolish, and only demanded a recount in counties where he expected to do well. That's a dubious strategy anyway, and as you say, it turns out Bush would have "won" counting that way too. (Never mind that it's really a statistical tie and we all pretty much lose.) But when a _real_ recount of all state ballots was conducted by a consortium of newspapers, the results came out with Gore winning by over 20,000 votes. Too bad the Supreme Court didn't order that!
I am sorry, you have scored an incorrect answer. The real answer, which has been report to several times, but amazingly is ignored by people such as yourself is that Gore won the election in Florida. When the state wide recount was completed Gore simply had more votes that Bush.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VO
I now return you to your normal delusion.
Actually, you'd get +/- 5% out of much less than 3,000 respondents, under 1000 actually. You might want to study elementary statistics before you try to discuss it, so at least you won't be talking out of your ass like this time. While there are certainly grounds to be suspicious of the poll results, the quantity of people polled isn't one of them. I'll leave it to you to figure out the real issues, after you study some stats...
Pro football has "sudden death" ovetimes. First team to score wins. If nobody scores its a tie.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." --Albert Einstein
I'm sure somebody here understand statistics, but looks like you don't understand combinatorics.
:-)
You are going to need a hell of a lot more than "32 thousand things going on" in order to be "all but assured" of finding a "perfect predictor".
I agree with your basic argument though
What would you propose then? They had to certify somebody and Bush was ahead after 2 recounts (one was definately illegal, the other was questionable since it was not statewide) and ahead after several more recounts following the certification that were done on the whim of the various press agencies.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
It was on James Thrash and he didn't have to be set because he wasn't moving forward. It was just plain bs. Granted the Redskins played like crap most of the game anyways, but the refs made a bad call which was unfortunately unreviewable (I think).
And in American football, they're refs not umps.
And this doesn't belong on slashdot's front page.
Not much one for reading your own links, are you?
A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Undecisive votes are votes like absentee ballots and possible rejected cards from automatic counting machines. These are only counted usually if the #2 person's decisive votes + all the indecisive votes is greater than or equal to the #1 person's.
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Here is a link to a Daily Kos story from today. The polling was done by Zogby in partnership with Rock the Vote and Motorola. Here's Zogby's article. The Rock the Vote Mobile site is not responding for me at the moment.
I prayed about it, and God said, "Don't do it!" But I thought, "I know better."
He said "umpireS"...There is only 1 umpire in the NFL. Couple that with the fact that he said the ball was "hiked" (the ball isn't hiked - "hike" is what you say for the center to "snap" the ball) and I'm pretty certain the guy has no clue what he's talking about. But 'twas a joke, so don't get your jockstrap in a wad.
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The ruling on the field stands.
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This is so unbelievably biased. I find it amazing how many /.ers are so intellectually lazy that they gobble this kind of argument up.
I actually find Kerry's total sellout to the extremist greenies revolting. There is a bill in the works that would litteraly lock up (yes, gated with padlock) access to huge sections of National Forest land all acrost the west. They want to take the Wilderness Area designation originally designed to protect the trully wild and scenic wilderness areas such as mountain peaks and other inaccessible mountainous terrain and apply it to lower lying forested mountains and hills, areas that are currently multipurpose recreational lands. I have a cabin in the mountains of eastern Oregon, and it sits right in the middle of a massive area slatted for lock up. If this goes through, there will be a thin 100 yard wide access corridor from the highway to my place and a few others in the area. Kerry has already stated that he will sign this bill if it gets passed the House and Senate.
It really makes me sick to think that a bunch of city-dwelling good for nothing enviromental lawers and their "lock it all up" greenie friends have the power to take away the rights of ordinary Americans like myself who just wants to enjoy what little multipurpose recreational forest land remains.
I for one hope that Bush wins.
So would a count of clear overvotes (where Gore was circled and also written in). The article you cited mentioned that, but didn't mention that the Florida judge was strongly considering counting these overvotes where the intent of the voter could be determined (since that was the Florida standard).
What is without a doubt true is that more people went to the polls in Florida with the intent to cast their ballots for Gore.
Nader isn't just a victim of the DNC. In Pennsylvania, he's off the ballot because there were names like Mickey Mouse, John Kerry, etc. on his petition. It was thrown out because something like 20,000 signatures were invalid.
dailykos has the details. The GOP doesnt like to lose.
ourvote.com has a site up and a hotline ready. See also: my earlier post on fraud and corruption in American politics.
I care who wins, but I care more about winning legally and properly. I care about every vote being counted. I wish more of my fellow countrymen felt the same way.
Here's the deal with the stadiums. Yeah, it was really windy on saturday here..
Here's a copy of the NOTAM (Notice to airmen) from saturday which applies to Michigan Stadium (and also other large seating stadiums).
3/1862 (PREVIOUSLY MISSING TEXT) PART 1 OF 2 SPECIAL NOTICE. THIS NOTICE MODIFIES FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED IN FDC NOTAM 2/0199 TO COMPLY WITH STATUTORY MANDATES DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7. EFFECTIVE 0303061100 UTC (0600 LOCAL 03/06/03) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS, COMMENCING ONE HOUR BEFORE THE SCHEDULED TIME OF THE EVENT UNTIL ONE HOUR AFTER THE END OF THE EVENT, ALL AIRCRAFT AND PARACHUTE OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL WITHIN A THREE NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF ANY STADIUM HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE PEOPLE IN WHICH A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL, OR MAJOR MOTOR SPEEDWAY EVENT IS OCCURING. ALL PREVIOUSLY ISSUED WAIVERS TO FDC NOTAM 2/0199 ARE RESCINDED. THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY REAPPLY FOR A WAIVER TO THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF AN EVENT, STADIUM, OR OTHER VENUE, INCLUDING (IN THE CASE OF A SPORTI NG EVENT) THE TRANSPORT OF EQUIPMENT OR PARTS, TEAM MEMBERS, OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY, THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AND GUESTS OF SUCH TEAMS, AND OFFICIALS TO AND FROM THE EVENT, STADIUM, OR OTH ER VENUE, END PART 1 OF 2 WIE UNTIL UFN
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Hey genius,
try not to confuse "anti current US administration" with "anti-American".
Thanks,
The Rest of the World
Note that Boston just won the World Series in Busch stadium.
When's the last time you bought any thing European other than a tin of biscuits, wine, or a Linux distro? They are not expensive because they are good. They are expensive because you are paying for the outrageous taxes and labor costs which many European companies have to pay.
My cars were made in Germany and England. My best suit was made in Italy, and my spectacles have Italian frames. My coffee grinder is from Germany, and the best shoes I have were made in Spain. My favorite beers are made in England, Germany, Denmark and Belgium (Ok, I admit I like beer a lot...), while my girlfriend is addicted to Swiss and Belgian chocolates. My phone is Finnish and the engine in my boat was made in Sweden.
I do the research when I buy and, while all of these item are good quality, they are not the most expensive by any means. I don't think your argument against European products is is true at all.
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
I hope Kerry wins and so I obviously like this "omen", but to me this is more akin to those guys that find the Wizard of Oz/Dark Side of the Moon connection - yeah it fits but how long did it take you to find the correlation?
Schnapple
RTFA. It's the last home game the Redskins play before election day, not their home game against the Packers that season.
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There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear. -- Daniel Dennett
No. He didn't. In the scenario that the Florida supreme court ordered (incl. overvotes), Gore won:
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:P
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0
Gotta stop this myth at its source
Besides, forget not that the largest amount of contested votes, by far, was from the "felon list". You know, the list that contained around 20,000 black voters and around 50 hispanic voters?
POTUS Witch Hunt tracker: 75 charges filed against 19 witches, 4 witches cooperating and 5 witches have pled guilty.
Actually, you're incorrect.
The Bush administration nixed federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.
Adult stem cell research is still fully sponsored by the federal government and the Bush administration.
Private funding for embryonic stem cell research is still legal as well.
Actually, this makes sense. If you needed stem cell therapy in the future, wouldn't you want to use adult stem cells harvested from yourself, rather than stem cells harvested from an embryo that has a stranger's DNA?
Dude! Bush IS dishonest and incompetent and has accomplished nothing worthy of note either domestically or in his foreign policy. He HAS accomplished some seriously unworthy things domestically and in his foreign policy. The things he's done would have gotten a democratic president impeached and investigated ten times over. He is the first republican presidential candidate who couldn't get an endorsement from The American Conservative, for pete's sake. Kerry has been endorsed by officials from every Republican administration since Eisenhower's. Nancy Reagan could even be voting for Kerry.
C'mon, turn off Fox news sometime and read a newspaper.
Some of the objectionable actions they made note of include:
- Ordered massive changes to a section on global warming in the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's 2003 Report on the Environment. Eventually, the entire section was dropped.
- Replaced a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fact sheet on proper condom use with a warning emphasizing condom failure rates.
- Ignored advice from top Department of Energy nuclear materials experts who cautioned that aluminum tubes being imported by Iraq weren't suitable for use to make nuclear weapons.
- Established political litmus tests for scientific advisory boards. In one case, public health experts were removed from a CDC lead paint advisory panel and replaced with researchers who had financial ties to the lead industry.
- Suppressed a U.S. Department of Agriculture microbiologist's finding that potentially harmful bacteria float in the air surrounding large hog farms.
- Excluded scientists who've received federal grants from regulatory advisory panels while permitting the appointment of scientists from regulated industries.
To me this is fear of science - fear that scientific inquiry will derail Bush's political agenda, which is largely driven by religious fundamentalists and big business interests.Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Corporations never pay taxes, they are just a collector. Taxes for any company are a Right Hand side of the ledger entry.
Berkshire Hathaway paid $1.75 billion in federal taxes last year or 2.5% of ALL taxes paid by corporations. Read about it here. Or, as Buffett writes in his Annual Report:
In 1985, Berkshire paid $132 million in federal income taxes, and all corporations paid $61 billion. The comparable amounts in 1995 were $286 million and $157 billion respectively. And, as mentioned, we will pay about $3.3 billion for 2003, a year when all corporations paid $132 billion. We hope our taxes continue to rise in the future - it will mean we are prospering - but we also hope that the rest of Corporate America antes up along with us.
There actually are some honest companies out there. If we can get rid of the corrupt CEO's and cut down on executive salaries, then we would be moving in the right direction. While I am liberal, I miss the days of the fiscal conservative... at least I can understand where they're coming from.
Unless you earn > $200,000 a year, you should be safe. In fact, according to Kerry, you could be getting even more tax breaks under his administration. From the second debate--
All I know about Bush is I had a good job when Clinton was president.
All the ballots were later counted by several (liberal) mainstream newspapers and Bush won in every scenario.
Wrong.
1. The Wall Street Journal was amoung those newspapers. (It isn't liberal)
2. Out of the 24 scenarios they considered, Gore won most of them.
3. The scenarios that counted the most votes Gore won. Bush only won if (a) recounting stopped after just a few counties, or (b) a large number of votes were disgarded as spoiled.
So in the final consideration, although the recounts Gore asked for wouldn't have made him the winner, a full, correct counting of the whole state would've. The only reason nobody's made a big deal about this result is that it was released on September 13, 2001.
so are you saying that it's GWB's fault that we did nothing before 9/11 (like a response to the first WTC bombing, the African embassies bombings or the Cole bombing)?
Nah, but what I'm saying is that you're full of shit.
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"It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance." - Thomas Sowell
...On one of the last plays of the game the Redskins scored to take the lead. AFTER the play had been completed a flag was quietly tossed in the backfield. A flag that was thrown for absolutely no visible reason - look for yourself. That flag effectively ended the game for Washington. We're not talking about a "bad call" we're talking about a call on a game winning play after the fact that was fabricated. Could it be that professional football has lowered itself to the level of the media at large and indeed the frenzied and violently vocal anti-bush lemmings? You decide...
I used to fear clowns...but I'm discovering that chimps are far, far, worse.
when 85% of the population voted for Gore
The actual results were:
What is even more interesting is that someone so pedantic would fail to capitalize the "L" in Latin. You also improperly used a comma before the conjunction connecting a dependent clause to an independent clause. Of course, I don't want to seem like a nit picker...
Here's an excerpt:
Houston: Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.
After reading about this bit of shameful opportunism at the expense of so many lives, I wonder how anyone can contemplate voting for Bush.
"The slave who knows his master's will and does not get ready...will be be beaten with many blows."Luke 12:47-48
Yes, parts of the system are relics of the days of poor communication, but parts are quite important.
Wrong. More neo-con spin. There is only one scenario that the Florida State Supreme Court considered. Counting all the votes statewide.
Gore also won Florida when all the votes in Florida were counted by the newspapers after the election by the standards the FLA Sup Ct. had ordered and the US Supreme Ct. ordered stopped.
Pointing to various Bush/Gore campaign strategies is pointless, becasue the FLA Sup Ct. never ordered any of the campaign strategies. The FLA Sup Ct. ordered all the votes in FLA counted. The US Supreme Ct. stopped that and prevented the votes from being counted and appointed Bush President.
Budget: The Democrats tried to force some fiscal restraint on Bush on the famous 87 billion vote. Dems were ready to support the money spent if Bush had removed the tax cut to the top 1% of the most wealthy to pay for it. Bush refused and threated to veto that 87 billion in defense spending funding if any of the tax cuts that were only going to the top tax bracket were removed
Foreign Policy: Do some reading. Libya happened becasue Khadafi had a ludicrous fantasy about Libya hosting the World Cup that was scheduled to be held in Africa, and was awarded to South Africa. Khadafi's son plays pro soccer in Europe, and Khadafi had strange visions of his son returning home to play the World Cup in Libya. anyway, to have his bid have a remote chance in hell, Khadafi had to get in compliance regarding international law.
Case of truth being stranger than fiction.
Education: Bush signed the No Child Left Behind bill with Kennedy, then refused to spend the money budgeted the bill by Congress. The money is still sitting there and the bill's provisions are not being followed by Bush.
Jobs: Nice try. Clinton created 23 million jobs during his presidency, and Clinton had the lowest unemployment rate since WW2. Bush has lost more jobs than any President since Hoover.
You're absolutely right, he did graduate from Ivy League universities given the chances that apparently neither you or I deserve. Did he get that chance fairly? No. Is he a hypocrite? Yes.
First Andover, then Yale, then Harvard, then the Whitehouse. Anyone who doesn't believe that the aristocratic power of Legacy exists has his head in the sand.
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