The Eye: Evolution versus Creationism

Sox2 writes "SciScoop is running a story about researchers in Germany who claim to have solved the "mystery" surrounding the evolution of the mamalian eye. The work, published in Science, goes some way to answering the issues raised in the "intelligent design" debate that has become the mainstay of creationist thinking."

Comments

Face It

[ThePDW]

Let's face it. Evolutionists are just as religios about their views as Creationists are!

Re:Why Verses?

[torenth]

Whatever... just stop pushing your religion (ie. Evolution) on me. If you don't believe that both are religions, you are not a true scientist. Science involves things that can be tested. Can we observe either creation or evolution today? Can I evolve a human from an ape in my lab this afternoon, or over the course of a year? It doesn't matter if you think it happened over a trillion years. Can you live a trillion years and observe this happening? If not, I think it's time to move on people.

Two Big Lies

[RussP]

Big Lie #1: Everyone who disputes the Theory of Evolution is an irrational "Creationist" who puts faith before reason.

Big Lie #2: The scientific facts overwhelmingly corroborate the Theory of Evolution.

I personally believed these two lies until I actually did some readong on the topic. I'm no expert, but I have read six or seven books on the topic, including a couple in favor of evolution. I have no doubt that the Theory of Evolution is fundamentally wrong and is based on faulty premises.

But please don't take my word for it (I'm sure you won't). Read the book Not By Chance! by Lee Spetner. Spetner is a professor emeritus of Information Theory at MIT, and he has mathematically debunked the notion of purely naturalistic evolution with absolutely no intelligent design or guidance.

Re:Two Big Lies

[RussP]

What I consider "fundamentally wrong" about the Theory of Evolution is its phisosophical underpinnings. The problem, as I see it, is that many evolutionists start out with the *premise* that life began and "evolved" by purely naturalistic mechanisms with no intelligent design.

Now, naturalism that's a purely valid *hypothesis*, but as a *premise* it is simply an unproven postulate or assumption. It is nothing more than an article of faith -- faith in nothing whatsoever, but faith nevertheless.

After studying the matter, these very scientists proclaim that they have indeed explained evolution without resort to intelligent design. Well, lo and behold, their conclusion is identical to their premise. Surprise, surprise.

Re:tell the entire story of our evolution over tim

[eno2001]

You don't get out much, do you? ;P

Evolutions vs. Christians

[The Lost Supertone]

Evolutionists who are so confident in their position that feel a need to bash people of any faith who don't agree with them have always been an object of my laughter. I'm sorry people can choose to disagree with you. I for one after studying biology came to the conclusion that I don't believe evolution could have possibly taken place. The advantage that I have is that in my class, I was one of the smartest. We had a fair number of Christian students, all of us came out more sure of our position than we went in. This whole bogus idea that to believe in something other than evolution requires you to be stupid, I think is the brain child of someone with a very small penis. Let other people think differently than you. A theory of a young earth will not kill your children in the night. It won't eat your Debian boxes, and Microsoft is not a Christian company. So why hate on a religion that is simply not what you choose to believe.

Evolution and Creationism are not compatible

[chiefcll]

In Genesis God says that the earth was created in a literal 6 days. To say that the earth evolved over millions or billions of years would be calling God a liar. Hence forth a contradiction that can not be allowed. Also, the second law of thermodynamics states that everything tends towards disorder... for things to become better over time violates this law. Evolution is a religion, where you there millions of years ago to bear witness to the earth forming? I take God's word over man's anyday. If you want some facts check out http://www.drdino.com/ an excellent website with tons of videos. Plus he offers a $250,000 for anyone who can prove evolution. Enjoy!

Re:This won't change their minds...

[fwr]

The main point is that ID generates a discourse where traditional creationists fail to do that. Discourse in itself is the danger. There should not be discourse on a pretence level field, there is no level field.

So then you're against freedom of speach. Great.

Re:Please stop.

[jgardn]

It's all OK until:
- Someone else's religious belief get in the way of teaching my human morality and right from wrong.
- Someone else's beliefs mean my taxes are spent on convincing children to copulate before marriage and then to kill the child as it is being delivered.
- Someone else's beliefs prevent me from raising my child in the way I see most proper.
- Someone else's beliefs are used to determine what can and cannot be taught to our children.
- Someone else's beliefs are prominent in the election of the leader of the world's most powerful economic and military force.

At this point, someone else's beliefs very concretely become my concern, and I reserver the right to disagree with them and oppose them if necessary.