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Duke Robot Climbs to Victory in Madrid

neutron_p writes "A wall-climbing, book-sized autonomous vehicle made by a Duke University team drove up a challenging vertical course to win first prize in an international competition in Madrid. Their robot Wallter was the only one that could start flat on the floor and climb the wall on its own, go over a barrier across the wall or stop itself after crossing the finish line."

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  1. Book shaped robot by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was initially excited about this tom-cruise rock climbing robot until I saw the photo, it is not only book sized, but book shaped too.

    Anyhow, the article mentioned "tornado in a cup" technology - "Two vortexes swirl simultaneously, one in a spiral and the other in a toroidal path, like a donut. The forces generated hold the vehicle to the wall and yet allow free movement because the cup never touches the surface." Like a hovercraft that sucks?

    However, later in the article, there was mention of magnets - "We tried a wheelie bar to keep the rear end of the robot flat against the wall and prevent the front from lifting up. Unfortunately, the results were disappointing. Time was running out so we had to add magnets and take advantage of the metal."

    This makes me wonder if it's the magnets that hold the robot, or the new "tornado in a cup"?

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    1. Re:Book shaped robot by NickF · · Score: 5, Informative

      This makes me wonder if it's the magnets that hold the robot, or the new "tornado in a cup"?

      Go back and read it again, the magnets were only needed to help in getting over the 1cm barrier.

    2. Re:Book shaped robot by Progman3K · · Score: 1
      >"Two vortexes swirl simultaneously, one in a spiral and the other in a toroidal path, like a donut. The forces generated hold the vehicle to the wall and yet allow free movement because the cup never touches the surface." Like a hovercraft that sucks?

      So in this particular case it's OK to say "Duke Sucks" ?

      /Waiting for the headline on Fark

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    3. Re:Book shaped robot by Greenisus · · Score: 1

      Maybe it'll say "Drew Curtis surrenders."

    4. Re:Book shaped robot by Progman3K · · Score: 1

      Wait! I've got a better one:

      "Duke both sucks and blows"

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    5. Re:Book shaped robot by mikael · · Score: 1

      But what happens when the robot encounters a non-metal 1cm obstacle, such as plastic ducting for telephone wiring, power or network cables?

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    6. Re:Book shaped robot by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      But what happens when the robot encounters a non-metal 1cm obstacle, such as plastic ducting for telephone wiring, power or network cables?

      Then the robot says "This is not the test course" as it falls to the ground.

    7. Re:Book shaped robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see any Microsoft references.
      -1, offtopic.

  2. slashdot editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    go over a barrier across the wall or stop itself after crossing the finish line.

    You mean and stop itself, right?

    1. Re:slashdot editing by Whalou · · Score: 2, Informative

      This quote is taken directly from the article and accurate.

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    2. Re:slashdot editing by eln · · Score: 1

      The way I read the sentence is that it was the only robot that was able to do any one of those things. So, the rest of the robots completely failed to successfully complete any one of those tasks. Apparently a dominating performance.

    3. Re:slashdot editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the other competitors were not even able to attempt to go over the barrier or trasition from the floor to the wall.

  3. More than just a cliche! by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    According to Burney, the Duke vehicle set itself apart when it rolled to the foot of a metallic wall, reared up on its hind wheels, and used a "tornado in a cup" to hug the wall and start its ascent...

    ..."It's a tornado in a cup, but no ordinary tornado," Janet said. "Two vortexes swirl simultaneously, one in a spiral and the other in a toroidal path, like a donut. The forces generated hold the vehicle to the wall and yet allow free movement because the cup never touches the surface."

    Huh. Duke really does suck!

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    1. Re:More than just a cliche! by arose · · Score: 1, Funny

      Originaly created to take care of the student... errr... physical needs?

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    2. Re:More than just a cliche! by El · · Score: 3, Funny

      Huh. Duke really does suck! No, just their robot, Wallter. Duke could use some help with naming their technology, though...

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  4. attachment for the roomba? by Over_and_Done · · Score: 5, Funny

    When will we see this as an add-on for the roomba? Then I could get all of the spiderwebs off of the walls and ceiling, and get the stairs done.

    1. Re:attachment for the roomba? by garcia · · Score: 2, Informative

      When will we see this as an add-on for the roomba?

      When the walls are metal and they have no "barriers" that are over 1 cm (ie texture changes).

    2. Re:attachment for the roomba? by Coneasfast · · Score: 1

      also a good way to destroy your N'sync posters.
      (not that that's a bad thing)

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    3. Re:attachment for the roomba? by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well if it can clean all that, learn to cook and that vortexy suction thing works I think we may be on the way to obsoleting women.

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    4. Re:attachment for the roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      When will we see this as an add-on for the roomba?
      When the walls are metal and they have no "barriers" that are over 1 cm (ie texture changes).


      RTFA - if there aren't any barriers the walls don't need to be metal.

    5. Re:attachment for the roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He RTFA you moron.

    6. Re:attachment for the roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He RTFA you moron.

      No, more like misRTFA. The grandparent poster's statement is more accurate than yours.

    7. Re:attachment for the roomba? by garcia · · Score: 1

      instead of "and" I should have said "or". BFD. Get over it.

    8. Re:attachment for the roomba? by UrgleHoth · · Score: 2, Funny

      If that's all it takes to obsolete a sex, then following that logic and given the "gadgets" out there, men have been obsolete for years.

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    9. Re:attachment for the roomba? by jessecurry · · Score: 1

      I'd love for mine to do this, unfortunately I jumped on the bandwagon too early and got the 1st gen.
      The new Roomba can automatically return to its dock and, I'm told, has a dirt detector.

      I suppose if this technology were to come to the Roomba you'd need to have concave trim to allow the Roomba to make the transition.

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    10. Re:attachment for the roomba? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When it's done."

    11. Re:attachment for the roomba? by MacGod · · Score: 1

      If that's all it takes to obsolete a sex, then following that logic and given the "gadgets" out there, men have been obsolete for years.

      Shhhh.... don't tell anyone. We're hoping nobody notices.

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  5. Useful on a render wall.. by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we could get these little guys to crawl across the face of a render wall, pressing reset buttons as needed, then I'll be impressed.

    ;)

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  6. Duke Robot by lordmoose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is that like Duke Nukem?

    1. Re:Duke Robot by Royoken · · Score: 4, Funny

      yes, the only problem is that it won't be out til 2012.

    2. Re:Duke Robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      You were trying to be funny, and you lost karma!!!

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  7. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    The device uses air currents swirling in a cylinder, about the size of an upside-down tuna can, to exert suction on a wall or ceiling.

    How is the size of a tuna can any different just because it is upside-down?

    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It has a half spin symetry.

  8. make your own by theMerovingian · · Score: 5, Informative


    make your own

    google cache, since we would deestroy geocities

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  9. modifications needed for commercial viability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can suggest a few modifications.. water resistant, wifi and camera (with zoom), and cloaking.. then we'd really have a toy that would fly off the shelves. For men, anyway.. we shall call it the Lockerroom3000.

    1. Re:modifications needed for commercial viability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      or we could call it the LockeRoomba

  10. How did the OTHER entries work? by VE3ECM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, so we have the "tornado-in-a-cup" method used to scale the wall... But how did the other teams that they allude to being very good manage to walk up a wall? I'd be interested in a little more details. The article says the wall was metal. So you'd have to assume the other teams used magnets as well. But the article is very scant on details. Anyone else know more about the other teams/their entries/results?

    1. Re:How did the OTHER entries work? by VE3ECM · · Score: 1

      Yeeech. Excuse my quick mouse finger. I clicked submit instead of preview and missed the Plain Old Text option.

      Don't rape my karma, please!

    2. Re:How did the OTHER entries work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      But how did the other teams that they allude to being very good manage to walk up a wall?

      Looks like suction cups were a popular choice.

    3. Re:How did the OTHER entries work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other teams used permanent magnets or a tethered vacuum system.

  11. Painting the walls? by se2schul · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could this be the beginnings of a wall-painting robot? Painting is a tedious task and now that there is a wall climbing robot, I say duct tape a paintbrush to its ass!!

    1. Re:Painting the walls? by El · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, use spraypaint... when is the robotic grafitti artist competition? This sounds like a Gibsonesque scenario... in the future, taggers will use teams of tiny robots to spraypaint the sides of large buildings!

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    2. Re:Painting the walls? by Analogy+Man · · Score: 1

      The problem with tasks like painting is that you have to move furniture, put down drop cloths, mask stuff you don't want to paint, take down pictures...and then when you are done...clean equipment fold up drop cloth, pull up tape, rehang pictures. Painting is the easy part.

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    3. Re:Painting the walls? by flechette_indigo · · Score: 1

      I've been thinking about this too. Best plan I see is mini-blimps with attitude fans and airbrushes on their noses. And alot of still air.

    4. Re:Painting the walls? by mikael · · Score: 1

      That has been done already. Hektor the Grafitti Output Device was covered by slashdot some time ago.

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  12. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jason Janet, an adjunct professor in Duke's electrical and computer engineering department and faculty advisor on the robotics project, said the Madrid competition shows the growing importance of climbing robots.

    "Robots that climb walls and cross ceilings can go where humans can't," Janet said. "They can do security and safety jobs like looking for bombs or finding cracks in a support beam or the wing of a jumbo jet."

    The Duke team's leader was Brian Burney, a staff member at Duke's Pratt School of Engineering and graduate student at North Carolina State University. The other team members were Pratt School undergraduates Kevin Parker, Andrew Meyerson and Julien Finlay.

    "Our robot Wallter was the only one that could start flat on the floor and climb the wall on its own, go over a barrier across the wall or stop itself after crossing the finish line," Burney said.

    Added Meyerson, "As the smallest, fastest and most novel robot, Wallter was one of the most popular exhibits. I was interviewed for Spanish national television for a story about the conference featuring the Duke robot."

    According to Burney, the Duke vehicle set itself apart when it rolled to the foot of a metallic wall, reared up on its hind wheels, and used a "tornado in a cup" to hug the wall and start its ascent.

    The "tornado" is generated by a patented device from Vortex HC, LLC of Morrisville, N.C., said Janet, who is vice president of development at the company. The device uses air currents swirling in a cylinder, about the size of an upside-down tuna can, to exert suction on a wall or ceiling. An impeller in the cylinder spins like a propeller but recirculates captive air rather than sucking air in one end and blasting it out the other.

    "It's a tornado in a cup, but no ordinary tornado," Janet said. "Two vortexes swirl simultaneously, one in a spiral and the other in a toroidal path, like a donut. The forces generated hold the vehicle to the wall and yet allow free movement because the cup never touches the surface."

    Parker said the Madrid competition required performing five tasks: starting on the metal competition wall and climbing as high as possible; climbing after the addition of randomly placed obstacles; crossing a barrier placed on the wall; starting from the floor and then climbing; and stopping after crossing the finish line.

    "We faced stiff competition from German and Italian teams," Parker said. "The robot from the University of Catania was amazingly good at detecting and avoiding all the obstacles. Our robot brushed against a couple of obstacles, but it was the only one that completed all five tasks."

    Janet said the Duke team combined the "tornado in a cup" technology with an original control system. "A human operates Vortex's commercial robots by remote control," Janet said. "The students added sensors and wrote software that enables their robot to operate on its own."

    Parker said they added ultrasonic and infrared sensors across the front and programmed a tiny computer, called a microcontroller, to navigate based on information from the sensors. Ultrasonic sensors detect objects by bouncing sonar-like sound waves off them. Infrared sensors, used in television remote controls, detect light outside the range of human vision.

    Burney provided an initial basic design for the Duke vehicle, Janet said. Meyerson and Parker, both biomedical engineering students, focused on writing software and incorporating the sensors.

    When tests showed the centimeter-high barrier broke the hold of the Vortex technology, Janet called in Finlay to solve the problem of crossing the barrier without falling off the wall. Finlay is a mechanical engineering student and a veteran of the team that produced Duke's prize-winning autonomous underwater vehicle Charybdis.

    Finlay said he tried to design a solution that would work with or without the metal wall at the competition.

    "We tried adding treads," Finlay said. "We tried a wheelie bar to keep the rear en

    1. Re:Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Robots that climb walls and cross ceilings can go where humans can't," Janet said. "They can do security and safety jobs like looking for bombs..."

      If humans can't reach those places, who would place the bombs there in the first place? Or is this one of those lame excuses for milking more DARPA money?

  13. I wonder if it's a girl robot by RandoX · · Score: 2, Funny

    They could sell them at Thinkgeek.

  14. Looks like... by scaaven · · Score: 1

    those guys are looking through a peephole into the girls' locker room. Seriously, the lower guy is about 3 inches from the machine.

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      I'm an American, but I didn't vote to end the world [georgewbush.com]

      Sadly georgewbush.com is not accessible outside the USA.

  15. Competition was fixed by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was very clear bias among the judges. I submitted an entry based on a highly advanced cybernetic robot made out of an empty egg carton, two cotton spools, some duct tape, mecano and a little girls pony tail. This very sophisticated device was then velcroed onto spidermans back.

    My entry owned all the others when it came to the climbing competition, my entry was able to swing from wall to wall, hang from the ceiling and even managed to rescue a woman from a mugger while all the other entries could do was climb a few cm and fall off. Yet the judges refused to give me first prize. I have vowed never to return to Spain and hope to help humanity by using my robot to climb more walls.

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    1. Re:Competition was fixed by pmagsa · · Score: 1

      So, the contest was held in Madrid (Spain). Is that right?

  16. It found.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...Sarah Connor?

  17. Wow... by Xentax · · Score: 3, Funny

    30+ comments and nothing about welcoming "wall climbing robot overlords"...

    Are the cliche emitters of the world taking a nap or something? (Where such a comment puts me on the totem pole isn't worth discussing)

    Robots that can climb walls and navigate; another enticing step on the road towards truly autonomous navigation. Good stuff. I just wish there weren't (approximately) a zillion steps left on said road.

    Xentax

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    1. Re:Wow... by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fine....

      I tried not to...

      I didn't want to....

      But you just had to hold a bottle of scotch in front of the recovering alcoholic, didn't you?

      Fine!

      I, FOR ONE, WELCOME OUR NEW WALL CLIMBING ROBOT OVERLORDS!

      And, BTW,

      In Soviet Russia, the wall climbs YOU!

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...

      But does it run RedHat or SUSE?

      And of course, Natalie Portman and Hot Grits!

      There, I feel better now allready!

    2. Re:Wow... by honestmonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't have any walls, you insensitive clod!

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    3. Re:Wow... by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 1

      Cowboy Neal climbs MY walls!

    4. Re:Wow... by tuxter · · Score: 1

      Look at the pics of those dudes... bet they don't read slashdot......

    5. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> 30+ comments and nothing about welcoming "wall climbing robot overlords"...

      I was wondering how it's done, how can it climb walls and not fall, what's inside...

      Maybe it uses Gecko...

    6. Re:Wow... by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

      Well :) Make Duke Nukem Forever joke and I'll love you :)

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  18. At least they win at something! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So THATS what they did with their schools football budget!

    1. Re:At least they win at something! by pmacwill · · Score: 1

      mod parent up! come on. I went to duke... thats funny!

  19. OFFICIAL PAGES by MTO_B. · · Score: 5, Informative

    The mentioned contest is CLAWAR 2004 - MADRID . (See hundreds of pictures if you wish).

    It's part of CLAWAR Climbing and Walking Robots. As you can see, the mentioned robot had a very different design from the usual spider-like design.

  20. Cheaters never prosper by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I threw a glob of putty on the wall and filmed it sliming down. Then I played it backward at the competition. I almost won until those pesky kids with the talking dog exposed my cheating.

    1. Re:Cheaters never prosper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which reminds me of this old joke. Off-topic, but good for a laugh if you haven't seen it.

  21. Yay for lazy couch potatoes worldwide! by arhar · · Score: 1

    Instead of getting up and getting a beer from the fridge, very soon I'll be able to tell my robot to :

    - Go to the fridge
    - Climb up
    - Open fridge door
    - Grab a beer
    - Climb down
    - Go back to couh
    - Open beer
    - Give beer to me

    1. Re:Yay for lazy couch potatoes worldwide! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you have a wife?

    2. Re:Yay for lazy couch potatoes worldwide! by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
      Nolan Bushnell's Androbot actually sold a robot specifically designed to do that in the 1980s. It required a special refrigerator with a can dispenser.

      Androbot had those things in production, and you could really buy one. Now they're something of a collectable.

    3. Re:Yay for lazy couch potatoes worldwide! by b1scuit · · Score: 1

      Dude, don't go to all that trouble. Just get married. The beer will taste better, too!

    4. Re:Yay for lazy couch potatoes worldwide! by arhar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I'm only in my early 20's, I don't want my life to be over just yet.

  22. Duke Press Release & other info by MonkeyBoyo · · Score: 1
    here. It includes a link to a hi-res version of the robot pic and a somewhat different blurb.

    Here it says:
    Good news too from the Duke Robotics Club. Thanks to funding from the Lord Foundation, the club's newest robot, a commercially-available wall-climber, took first place in the 2004 CLAWAR (CLimbing And WAlking Robot) International Wall-Climbing Robot Competition last week in Madrid. Pratt seniors Andrew Meyerson and Kevin Parker and Pratt junior Julien Finlay helped prepare the robot for the competition. The team was led by Pratt graduate researcher/student Brian Burney. Five other robots competed against Duke's climber, two from Italy and three from Germany, but none was as capable as Duke's. It autonomously approached the wall, transitioned from the floor to the wall, avoided obstacles, and crossed a 1-centimeter-tall barrier. The Duke Climber used an on-board programmable processor, three ultrasonic sensors, an accelerometer, and an infrared sensor to perceive its environment.
    ?Comercially available?

    The "Duke Robotics Club", presently does not seem to have any info on this robot.
    1. Re:Duke Press Release & other info by john82 · · Score: 1

      Further reading reveals that the students (from Duke and North Carolina State Univ) adapted the commercial robot by adding sensors and code to allow autonomous operation. The commercial edition relies on an operator with an remote controller.

      Being that it's a Duke newsletter, they obscured the part where the team lead went to NC State. Also, though now on the faculty at Duke, the team's advisor got his PhD in EE (robotics) from NC State (1998?).

    2. Re:Duke Press Release & other info by zedmelon · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the tip. Now I can address a tangent on something mentioned further up:

      Not sure where the author of the original article shops for groceries, but
      He.
      has.
      one.
      BIGASS.
      can of tuna.

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    3. Re:Duke Press Release & other info by MonkeyBoyo · · Score: 1
      Hmmm, at Vortex HC LLC of Morrisville NC, the "commercial source" of the wall climbing robot, I find that the only human listed as a contact is " Office Manager : Jason Janet, PhD.", who just happens to appear in the Duke News release above as:
      Jason Janet, an adjunct professor in Duke's electrical and computer engineering department and faculty advisor on the robotics project.
      And if you check out Duke faculty web pages, you find that Janet is not just an "adjunct professor", he is an adjunct assistant professor". And Janet's email goes to avionicinstruments.com, a company with web pages that give the company no physical location. However they can be reached at a phone number assigned to Rahwey New Jersey.

      So it seems that Janet was able to convince the "Lords Foundation" (whoever they may be) to give money so that his club could buy a robot from his company and generate publicity. Who knows, maybe the mysterious NJ company is behind the Lords Foundation and most of their buildings house red lectroids banished from planet 10

      I also suggest people check out the high rez version of the photo. It looks like a scene from "Revenge of the Nerds".
  23. Why does this thing remind me of... by Ken+Hall · · Score: 1

    Those killer robots from the movie Runaway

    1. Re:Why does this thing remind me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...because you don't get out much.

  24. I had this professor at Duke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Jason Janet, an adjunct professor in Duke's electrical and computer engineering department and faculty advisor on the robotics project, said the Madrid competition shows the growing importance of climbing robots. "

    I had two classes with Janet at Duke and got to see this technology in action. A special fan pushes air out across a surface sorta like a hover machine and the robot and surface attract due to the Venturi Effect. Pretty cool stuff really.

    On a personal note though, Prof Janet was a pretty decent proffesor. Assignments were often open-ended and he tends to rely alot more on instinct than math though I think.

    It might be because I have a good background in math but the most I remember about the class were the math arguments I got into with him ... ie he thought that matrix multiplication wasn't associative (it is) because orthonormal matrices don't associate (they do). Also there was a question on a test on the periodicity of sum(u(kx+t)*e^-(kx+t),x = -inf...inf) where
    u(x)= x>0 ? 1 : 0. It took me a month to convince him the book he got it from was wrong and it actually was periodic.

    Duke '03

    1. Re:I had this professor at Duke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You must be a genius. Are you sure you're not confusing the "associative" with "commutative"?

  25. Commercially available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These robots are sold commercially around the world. The climbing technology used is patented. More information can be found at http://www.vortexhc.com/

  26. Duke sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oops--wrong forum.

  27. More photos here by word+munger · · Score: 3, Informative

    Duke's Web site has more pictures and a longer article

  28. In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it climbed high enough it could win the x-prise as well

  29. Walter the Wobot! by sakusha · · Score: 1

    Someone at Duke reads Judge Dredd comics.

  30. Patented Tornado - sounds like a Dyson to me! by daern · · Score: 0

    Reading about this wonderful "patented tornado" which recirculates air, sounds like the Dyson vacuum cleaner, which uses the same technique to capture dust particles and hold them in the machine without having to use a filter-bag to catch them.

    http://www.dyson.co.uk/nav/inpageframe.asp?id=DYSO N/HIST/DUALCYC

    I *really* don't understand patents in the US...

  31. Offtopicness continued by essreenim · · Score: 0

    It's spelled feasible and yes it stands to reason that the completely unfeasible unsustainable Republicans would not know how to spell it.