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AOL to be Split into 4 Units

unsupported writes "AOL is apparently dividing into four units to provide a clear direction for each. The four divisions are as follows: Audience (Advertising, and AOL IM, Moviefon, Mapquest, Netscape.com), Access (dial-up, highspeed), AOL Europe (for the foreigners), and Digital Services (Premium services, phone and music subscription). "

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  1. And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They form the lamest robot in the entire universe... AOLtron!

  2. Quick Question... by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...... and how is this news?

    Seriously. AOL probably already operated this way anyway, so what's the big whoop?

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    1. Re:Quick Question... by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The big whoop is they probably paid some management consultancy group a library of congress sized amount of money to formalize what they were already doing under the guise of a complete management reorganisation.

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    2. Re:Quick Question... by dykofone · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You hit it. Large corporations go through a reogranization almost annually. I've gone through two in the past year with two different companies. The managers and high-ups make a huge deal about it (rightly so, since it's stuff like that that keeps em in a job) while everyone else just goes "yeah alright, so my division got renamed. yippee."

      I think its mostly to create some buzz amongst the investors and shareholders, who think a reorganization means increased efficiency and therefore huge profits. Plus, it allows for new banners with fancy slogans and missions statements to be hung on the wall, and to keep everyone up to date on the latest corporate slang (a reorganization is really nothing more than lots of little paradigm shifts to better utilize the synergistic capabilities of our capital-index work force, etc)

    3. Re:Quick Question... by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know what the big deal is, but Microsoft always opposed being split up, yet they should follow suit.

      Something like this:

      Microsoft OS Inc
      Microsoft Office Tech Inc
      Microsoft Web tech Inc
      Microsoft Consumer Products Inc

      Of course it won't happen as Microsoft's OS and Office Tech companies would make all the money, the Web tech and Consumer Products divisions would go bust.

    4. Re:Quick Question... by stienman · · Score: 4, Funny

      AOL probably already operated this way anyway, so what's the big whoop?

      The biggest difference is that all the old infighting and contempt is offical, and can be reported on and monitered since it must cross interdepartmental divisions. Previously it was hard to track since it was intradepartemental.

      Wars and power struggles are much more open. Further, it provides a new battlefield - all the commanders welcome this change since the wars were getting rather stale and predictable. Hopefully the new revolution will be streamed.

      -Adam

    5. Re:Quick Question... by ApolloCreed · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't know what the big deal is, but Microsoft always opposed being split up, yet they should follow suit.

      Microsoft opposed being forced into becoming multiple companies. AOL isn't doing that - they are just formalizing internal business units. I think this will be good for them in that it could give VP's more power make decisions independent of the other units. I'm sure Microsoft already does this. Of course, this would make it simpler to split into seperate companies in the future and make it more obvious if that were a good idea.

    6. Re:Quick Question... by unother · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reorgs provide tax benefits.

      See? As always, it's about the benjamins.

      EOT.

    7. Re:Quick Question... by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ... and how is this news?

      This is marginally interesting to me for a few reasons:

      • AOL was probably the single most influential company in the early days of the online revolution. More people got online in the late 1980s and early 1990s because of AOL than any other company. It wasn't the Internet, and it had problems, but it was still the first step for millions of people. In that regard what happens to AOL is interesting in an anthropological/historical sense.
      • The fact that AOL is restructuring themselves means that they are at least attempting to survive. For a few years they've been utterly floundering. The corporate-speak ("I hope to pour a little accelerant on it") is disconcerting, but these restructurings actually take a lot of effort. It's difficult to overstate the amount of inertia that builds up in huge operations like AOL. It will be interesting to me to see if an old giant can get nimble and start delivering what people actually want.
      • Although they downplay the possibility of this being a precursor to a split of AOL, I wouldn't be surprised if they're watching to see what each of the divisions do. They may decide to spin one or more of them off or divide the company into two, three or four separate companies. This could be worth watching in light of the difficulties other large, diversified tech companies are having.
      Admittedly, this isn't the most exciting Slashdot story in recent memory, but I have a soft spot in my heart for stories about AOL.

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    8. Re:Quick Question... by Junior+Samples · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Large corporations go through a reogranization almost annually. I've gone through two in the past year with two different companies. The managers and high-ups make a huge deal about it (rightly so, since it's stuff like that that keeps em in a job) while everyone else just goes "yeah alright, so my division got renamed. yippee."

      I used to work for a major Aircraft Flight Simulator company headquartered in Kirkwood NY. The company used to be refered to as the "Cadillac of Flight Simulators"

      Toward the end, the company was re-organizing every few months. The employees commonly referred to these re-organizations as the equivalent of rotating 4 bald tires. This was a running joke during the final days of the company.

      A year earlier, the company conducted company wide quality training sessions. During the training we were taught that frequent re-organizations were a sign of a failing company. Needless to say, the re-organizations were not successful in bringing the company back to life.

      The company was sold and resold several times in the years that followed. The last I heard, is that telemarketers now occupy the building that used to be occupied by Engineers.

  3. Oh Thank God by samurairas · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was so worried about their financial well being! I'm nearly out of coasters.

  4. Doh! by Zemplar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "AOL is apparently dividing into four units to provide a clear direction for each. The four divisions are as follows: Audience (Advertising, and AOL IM, Moviefon, Mapquest, Netscape.com), Access (dial-up, highspeed), AOL Europe (for the foreigners), and Digital Services (Premium services, phone and music subscription)."

    None of which will regain profitability.

    1. Re:Doh! by afree87 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I can sure see America Online doing well in Europe.

    2. Re:Doh! by Zemplar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps they could change thier name to Anti-America Online to improve their European image?

    3. Re:Doh! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

      If AOL wants to improve their European image maybe they should rebrand themselves as BLO, Bin Laden Online? Then it could be a real terrorist network!

      I wonder if the Terrorist Network is IPv6 compliant.

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  5. 4 Units? by Thunderstruck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean I can get four times as many drink-coasters every month? I just moved into a bigger place, so I need some.

    Seriously though, will this provide newfound independence for the Netscape folks, and newfound options for the browsers associated with them? Or will it just be a management shift that has no practical effect on the rest of the world?

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    1. Re:4 Units? by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

      No,each division sending you a CD each month would be just stupid now wouldn't it. Obviously each division will only send a 1/4 segment of a cd to you each month which you can glue toegther to form a coaster at your leisure.

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    2. Re:4 Units? by harrkev · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope. Only one coaster each month. The company is being split up into four separate pieces:

      1) Coaster distribution - responsible for loading landfills with non-biodegradable chunks of worthless platic. Of course, a lot of these discs should be distributed with PC magazines, which are read by people who should already know better than to use AOL.

      2) Moron recruitment - Dedicated to finding the dumbest of the dumb and encouraging them to POST IN ALL CAPS on every forum imaginable. They also believe that they can enlarge their m3mb3r easily for only $19.95

      3) Customer Leaking - Maintains all customer data on Windows 95 machines without a firewall. This benefits the consumer because they do not have to type in their credit card number -- it is already all over the web!

      4) Browser development - This company will spend a lot of money developing browsers which AOL will never even use.

      It makes perfect sense to me!

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    3. Re:4 Units? by goodydot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anybody notice that CDs make REALLY BAD coasters? The condensation from the drink tends to run through the hole in the middle and around the outside. Then, you not only get a ring on your table, you get a wet CD which tends to stick to the drink. It also creates a more slippery surface, so the drink tends to slide off the CD. Cans are a little better in this regard, but you still get all that run-off. AOL needs to start shipping out absorbant CDs, perhaps making them from soapstone. I know it seems a little odd to state that the CDs get slippery AND sticky, but they happen at different times. Once the drink is on the coaster, it tends to stick. It's the act of placing the drink upon the coaster that brings about the whole slippery aspect of the CD-as-coaster. Also, I've found that everything seems to work better if you leave the CD in the proper drink holder on your PC. That way the liquid from condensation tends to run down into the CPU. Well, I don't suppose that's any better, huh? I tell you what I usually do is put the CD onto a larger, more absorbant coaster, thus solving the problem of water on the table. Of course, this negates the whole benefit of using CDs as coasters, because now you have to buy a coaster for each CD used. I still think AOL needs to distribute CDs made from a more coaster-friendly material. They may need another division for this.

  6. Advertising? by suso · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing AOL needs is a focused advertising unit.

  7. At Least a Few More Years by Ieshan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AOL still has a few more years left in them. Cable and DSL haven't quite become ubiquitous, and there are enough people in the "heartland" who aren't familiar enough with the Internet to know better.

    Their new commercials purport to make the Internet better - that's the market AOL has to reach, people who think their software is the Internet.

    It doesn't have much longer, though. Education will put AOL to a slow death unless they drastically reform their business to revolve around the things they do get right (like messaging) instead of "access" and "customer support" (both in scare quotes for obvious reasons).

    1. Re:At Least a Few More Years by pen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AOL had live video streams of the presidential debates. You could not see them anywhere on the "plain" Internet. I didn't watch the presidential debates, but I'm sure that a lot of people would like to.

      If you're into mainstream content, AOL does give you more than just the free stuff on the Internet. They have the clout to make deals with the mainstream content providers to offer this content.

      Doesn't do anything for me personally, but there's some truth to what they claim.

  8. Clear direction, bah. by YetAnotherName · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The new units will be called:
    • AOL Audiece/Time/Warner
    • AOL Access/Time/Warner
    • AOL Europe/Time/Warner
    • AOL Digital/Time/Warner

    Maybe if you split the Time and the Warner parts off, you'd have even clearer direction, AOL?

    1. Re:Clear direction, bah. by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      TimeWarner is not the problem. The problem is AOL is trying to compete in the exact same space as MSN and will always lose. MSN is able to better integrate into Windows. MSN will always be the first choice on the OS.etc, etc, etc.

      AOL needs to learn to carry the fight to a different battleground; basically a neutral ground.

      1. Make Firefox/Mozilla the default (with MSIE an option)
      2. Provide OpenOffice on their system.
      3. Start using a media system that is on multiple systems. The ogg line is certainly a choice as are a number of others.
      Then allow customers to run that for about a year. Finally, create a Linux distro for the home user that includes all the above. They can call it AOS. It will enable them to compete.

      What they need to do, but they will not do it. History simply repeats itself.

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  9. It has to be said by TheJaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will cd-r manufacturers be able to keep up?

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  10. Their time has come, by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    AOL was marketed as an ISP for non technical people. This justified that added expense. Most families these days have at least one member who know at least a little bit about computing and sees that AOL is not needed. Its cheaper to get access from someone else and add the features you want. I suppose its because the internet has been around long enough for the general public (say 10 years of real viable public access?) so that either the adults have taken an interest or they have kids who know a great deal about it all. Seriously, AOL is just not worth the added expense. This new racket about including free anti-virus and spyware blocking is not going to change anything. Breaking into four main organisation is not the answer either. What they need to do is set their prices competitively and get some innovative content.

  11. Sell off by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This sets the stage to spin the pieces off into separate companies, or to sell them.

    I doubt AOL-TimeWarner has much AOL left once the "Baby AOLs" are operating a little more independently.

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  12. This story put some strange pictures in my head... by rubberbando · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm suddenly imagining their little yellow logo guy being drawn and quartered....not pretty.. :-P

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  13. Wonder what they are going to do with ODP? by xmas2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Open Directory Project (ODP) at dmoz.org is the "largest human-edited directory in the world" and is "owned" by AOL since it came from Netscape ... although it's mostly community volunteers helping out, although AOL provides hardware and some staffing assistance.

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  14. Secret Weapon: discs by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 5, Funny

    and its secret weapon is repeatedly firing fast rotating 30-day trial discs. OH THE HORROR!

    1. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by adam+mcmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you misspelled "coasters"

    2. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "firing fast rotating 30-day trial discs."

      As opposed to firing employees?

  15. Horsemen of the Apocalypse? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    My first thought at seeing the headline.

  16. what, no CD Press department? by Val314 · · Score: 5, Funny

    i thought printing & shipping CDs was their main task

  17. End Of Life? by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    EOL stands for "end of life", but that's what we'd all want, right?

    Anyway, "AOL" is a brand name, an opaque identifier. European subscribers seem to associate "AOL" with a specific online service provider rather than with the words "America Online", just as they associate "DSL" with "high-speed Internet access provided over the phone line" rather than with the words "digital subscriber line".

  18. The 5th Unit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Leelo Time-Warner Multipass!

  19. Which one is the CD-Company? by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is AOL (Access) or AOL (Audience) sending me these CDs?

    If YOU want to get rid of them send them to:
    No More AOL CDs!
    1601 Navellier St.
    El Cerrito CA, 94530
    U.S.A.

    http://www.nomoreaolcds.com/

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  20. Restructuring means layoffs, consultants by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Restructuring seems to be the way Boards of Directors justifies layoffs, blaming the placement of the "walls" for poor performance, rather than looking at lacking innovation, morale, and business savvy.

    Besides the already-commented-about possibility of selling off parts, in this day and age the notion of dividing up divisions of a company differently just seems to fly in the face of the path of the enlightened employer of the 21st century.

    By segmenting into distinct groups, you facilitate the blame game and hamper communication. This kind of restructuring certainly isn't what you do to revitalize.

  21. CEO speak for I havn't done something in a while by IceFox · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This looks like your classic, need to make some noise and reshuffle the company while not actually doing anything with the company. A way for CEO's to justify their jobs. Just from the summery you can see massive crossover of the different units that will be the downfall of this massive re-org.

    "In the days ahead, when our transition to a new structure has been completed, we will have a streamlined organization with clear roles and responsibilities"

    In other words... "Well try this for a while to see if it works or now, I don't actually have a clue if it will or not". And in reality it is nothing more then a cover for...

    "especially at a time like this when we have announced plans for layoffs."

    In other words: "CEO bonus here I come!" And I can't leave out this jewel:

    "giving each [unit] responsibility for its own operations and financial performance."

    So you have developer x in group 1 and group 2 needs developers x skills, but they have to first put in a REQ and get financiall approval or even worse hiring a new person and meanwhile developer x sits around idly. I predict project slowdowns stock dropping and in 12 months a "New Plan".

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  22. Re:Next up? by Sibshops · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft tried a related split up. However, they couldn't find a way seperate the Internet Explorer from Windows.

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  23. Article is incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 4 units will be named:
    - Overcharging
    - Limiting/Reducing Quality of Service
    - Cancellation Deflection/Avoidance
    - Demo CD Manufacturing and Distribution

    Not to worry, they will all be guided by AOL's core mission: TO SUCK!

  24. I care by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Funny

    You didn't care enough to RTFA, but you cared enough to post telling us how much you don't care. Thus showing us how much you do care. You care enough to not care, but are very passionate about your not caring. You want us to care that you don't care. Or perhaps you want us to care how much you care that you don't care? Well, buddy, I just wanted you to know that I care about wheather you wanted us to care about you not caring or wanted us to care about you caring about not caring. And I hope that everyone else cares about me caring about you either wanting us to care about you not caring or wanting us to care about you caring about you not caring. Just thought I'd write this to let you all know I care.

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  25. Justice At Last? by Gallenod · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently prayer does work, as AOL has finally drawn and quartered itself.

    Eventually, it will reduce itself to 64 small startup sized companies, 63 of which will fail. Just what I've always wanted to see: a living example of the DotCom bubble in reverse.

    What's next? Maybe Microsoft will join them in self-dismemberment?

    (Pray early, pray often...)

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  26. Great, 4 more Cd's a day by VonGuard · · Score: 2, Funny

    As if I wasn't getting enough free CD's in my mailbox, now I'll get four a day instead of simply 1.

    Now That's progress.

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  27. delaying the inevitable... by m2bord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the folks at aol are going to have to face the reality that dialup is just not as relevant as it once was.

    there are many ways to connect to the net and bypass their filtered system and filtered content.

    their software cannot be controlled (it downloads updates on its own), their model is becoming obsolete, and their subscriber base has always been the un-net-educated.

    as users become more sophisticated, they move away from aol because aol is incapable of providing that next step of service.

    if tw/aol had any brains they would've combined the tw road runner service with aol from the get-go and then let you switch to earthlink or the other online companies.

    by allowing broadband customers the ability to completely bypass the software and connect to the net, tw sealed aol's fate.

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  28. AOL Europe? by jxyama · · Score: 2, Funny
    now that it stands on its own, it sounds even more contradictory :

    America Online Europe

    (i know, i know, no one in Europe really needs to know what "A" in "AOL" stands for...)

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  30. Nothing but a shell game again. by nomad63 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First consolidation was "IN". They gobbled up Time warner to become AOL-Time Warner. Then consolidation became "OUT" concept and they were spun off after being blamed for being the loss leader of the group. Now they are splitting into smaller pieces, to merge again in the future.. Story never changes. AOL is the same behemoth despite however many pieces you divide or adjoin it. It is just for a Wall Street only show. Nothing for you and me, the Joe/Jane the customer in it. We are not invited to see the play.

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  31. Re:Don't forget Division #5... by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    They do TOO know English. English is the ONLY common language of the Indian subcontinent! Unfortunately it is their own local varriation that is as difficult for an American to follow as is London Cockney. The fact that so MANY of those Americans used to have jobs that are now filled by folsk with Indian accents does not help either..

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  32. This really is not that bad by smashin234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although restructuring is a ceo's task to cover someone else's butt or his(traditionally)

    This may actually be beneficial to aol. AOL has always been the ISP for the internet newbie, and if the reorganization can help their broadband division actually give good services that are worth paying for, they may stick around.

    As of now, their broadband and dial-up services have different aims, and you can not really keep those two together in the same division. AOL has got to step up and deliver a broadband service that gives something for the money you pay them.

    They have started with the spyware removal and other neat things that work well for the busy family who does not have time to do that themselves. But they really need to seperate this service from their dial-up service. It is distinctly different in terms of scope. I looked it up because a friend of mine wanted to switch to broadband. He thought that AOL actually offered a broadband connection for $9.99 a month. After I told him what it did, he was still confused and couldn't figure out why someone would pay for that. Of course, he is a little ignorant of the net, but if he can not understand the need for this, a lot of potential user's out there also do not understand what AOL's broadband service is. This may be why AOL needs to seperate its two different services, because I have a feeling lots of ppl here also do not know what their broadband servoce is exactly. Maybe a seperate division will help distinguish what these two entities are exactly.

    But in reality, I do not see the purpose of them dividing up into four seperate divisions instead of just the two. I guess this is what happens when corporate america has someone in their elitist circle that they need to protect from losing their 40 hour a week paid solitaire playing job. Or maybe four is the CEO's lucky number....

  33. divide and conquer by jafac · · Score: 2

    I've been around the whole dotcom phenomenon long enought to recognize this very typical tactic.

    When a company divides into independent units, that means that they're prepping a division for sale or dismantlement.
    Typically, you'll see a geographical component to the division, so that ties can be severed cleanly, and there's more of a financial gain (facilities expense goes away, HR effort to maintain the separate health insurance, legal climante, tax burden, etc. goes away).

    The function of whichever unit goes, will be outsourced.

    If you're an employee of one of these units, start looking for the danger signs.

    Is the cost of living in your region higher than others?
    Did the higher-up officers at your site relocate to some other site?
    Do they remodel other sites, but not yours?
    Do they fail to change the lightbulbs when they burn out?
    Did they close your site's cafeteria?
    Did they eliminate your onsite IT group in favor of "remote support"?
    Do officers visit less and less frequently to share corporate news or policy?
    Is there a hiring freeze at your location?
    When was the last time you got a new desktop machine?
    When was the last time you got training?
    Does your site have a security presence 24x7?

    Funniest bit is when they retag all the assets. Then in future years, you know your site is next when you get all the assets from the first site they shut down, with their old asset tags.

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  34. Unit Renamed by PMuse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bulletin: On instructions from the US Dept of Homeland Security, AOL has agreed to rename its AOL Europe unit. In accordance with Bush Administration Policy, the unit will now be known as EOL (for the foreigners).

    See you on the game grid,
    MCP

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  35. Business school lesson by BattleTroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    A newly appointed CEO has a conversation with the man he is replacing. The new guy asks, "what advice can you give me?". The old dog opens up a drawer and pulls out three envelopes.

    "When you get into trouble the first time, open up letter number one and do what it tells you. When it happens again, use letter number two. And when it happens the third time, read letter number three."

    With that, the old dog laughs and walks out the building.

    A month later the new CEO is on the hotseat for missing the quarterly EPS mark. Right before the earnings conference call he reads letter number one - 'Blame me'. So the new CEO goes to the mike, blames the old CEO for bad management, and everyone walks away optimistic.

    Three months later, the new CEO is on the hotseat again. He reads letter number two - 'Reorganize' So the new CEO tells everyone that the company is going to do a massive reorganization "to realign our business units with our core market paradigms.". The reporters grumble but accept the idea that the company is now on the right track.

    Three months later, the new CEO is yet again facing major difficulties. He reads the last letter. 'Get three envelopes.'

    *buhbumpbump*

  36. Where's Group 5? by mfifer · · Score: 2, Funny

    n00Bs?

    Oh wait. Never mind...

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    No, it's actually:

    Conservatives & Liberals: F*cking the country today so our children can fix it tomorrow.

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    I really want a +1 Cynical mod right now