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Nintendo DS Launches

The DS system has launched today, allowing everyone with a interest in dual screen action to get their fill. Gamespy has a Beginner's Guide to the system available, while Gamespot has a detailed page reviewing the system and some of the first games available. Bionic_Baboon wrote in with a press release about the sale of the system at EB Games on Businesswire.

57 comments

  1. Oh sweet by Christopheles · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've been waiting forever for the competitor to Nintendo's DS to come out.

  2. WOW! by Mooga · · Score: 1
    WOW! I didn't relize that it would come out so soon.

    The only think I have agest it is that it looks in the pics to be quite large for a gameboy. You would think that they would try to make it smaller before they put in the 2nd screen...

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    1. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Large for a Gameboy? I take it you've never seen the original Gameboy... :)

      I'm not sure how you could make a DS much smaller without shrinking or removing a screen or controls. There isn't a whole lot of wasted space in the current design (with the exception of the lid, but that size is mostly dictated by the size of the bottom half, which is pretty well miniturized)

    2. Re:WOW! by prockcore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only think I have agest it is that it looks in the pics to be quite large for a gameboy

      I picked my DS up this morning, it's not that large. It's smaller than the original 1989 gameboy.

      My biggest complaint with it is that Pictochat should've been internet-enabled.

    3. Re:WOW! by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's almost exactly two GBA SPs next to eachother.

      I got one this morning too. My only real complaint is that I think it should have had an analog stick. The touch pad works well in Metroid Prime Hunters, but it just doesn't do it for me in Mario 64. The analog stick just worked better. Or have made the directional pad analog (like the buttons on the PS2).

      Still, great little system. I can't wait for more games!

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    4. Re:WOW! by Krilomir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well well, isn't the unplayable stored mode what counts? The size only matters when carrying it around (except if it's too big to hold, of course).

    5. Re:WOW! by Phisbut · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I picked my DS up this morning, it's not that large

      It's slighly bigger than I expected it to be, but dang are those game cards (or cartridges... what are they really?), I didn't expect them to be that small! God, how can they fit so much information on something so small?!?

      I'm really impressed here.

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    6. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it really make no difference to you if you had to unfold your remote control or PDA in order to use it? Do you really not understand?

    7. Re:WOW! by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2, Informative

      I waited outside of GameStop, here in manhattan for 2 hours this morning (first in line of about 40 people) since I wasn't on the waiting list...

      At first I was a bit surprised that it was so large (I had played a demo unit in Best Buy last week, but it didn't seem this big), but it's actually still pretty small. I kinda wish it wasn't so thick, but I'll live. it still fits in my pocket.

      Anyway, my only complaints about it are:

      A) lack of games (I had to buy mario64 and my friend got feel the magic). I want a damned RPG or something that we can play multiplayer for more than a couple minutes. Metroid Prime first hunt is kinda lame...

      B) it's wider than my SP, so my wrists kinda hurt, I wish the device was a little more ergonomic and curved like my hands want to. I hope I don't injure myself on this thing.

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    8. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A remote control has to be handy to change the channel whenever you want. Quick job.

      A PDA can be treated just as handily, for jotting notes immediately. But plenty of people unfold their PDAs, or remove them from cases, etc.

      A portable gaming system is something you're not going to using for a quick 2-second channel-changing session or a 15-second notation. You're going to be playing a damn game, killing (or investing, whatever) time. If you have trouble finding the time to unfold a gaming system (as GBA SP users have been doing for quite a while now, BTW), perhaps you have larger problems. Maybe a mental therapist can prescribe some medication for your ADD.

    9. Re:WOW! by Achoi77 · · Score: 1
      Picked mine up today as well (thank goodness I preordered early - in my area people who preordered late are gonna have to wait for the next shipment - it's the new tickle me elmo of this year) I only have on thing that makes me wary of the stylus: I'm afraid how how much abuse the touchpad can take before I end up denting it with force.

      I only say this because while I was trying out Metroid, I noticed that when things started to heat up I've been tapping the screen harder and harder in order to jump. I'm thinking about getting one of those pda screen protector sheets of plastic things to save it.

      Anybody got any suggestions on which screen protectors would be good for the Nintendo DS?

  3. That's embarrassing.. by grm_wnr · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...editors, please please fix that headline. Someone might read it, you know.

    Hint: The company is actually called Nintendo.

    1. Re:That's embarrassing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I missed it, can you please post what the headline originally read?

  4. Defective :( by Ransom342 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mine has a bad pixel on the top screen and they tell me it will be 3 weeks before they can exchange it... with eb's 2 week exchange policy they will probably try to screw me :(

    Other than that its very large but more comfortable to play.

    1. Re:Defective :( by themoodykid · · Score: 1

      Other than that its very large but more comfortable to play.

      I'm finding the buttons on the right side are a bit close together. I'm sure that was intentional to allow the buttons to act as a gamepad for left-handers, but it's a bit cramped.

    2. Re:Defective :( by dutchct · · Score: 0

      i too have a burnt out pixel, and so do 2 of my friends (!!!) I went straight back to eb and they couldnt give me a new one because all the ones they had there where preorders. If i send mine to nintendo its going to take 2 weeks to replace. i wasnt very happy at all.

    3. Re:Defective :( by bconway · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why are you waiting to exchange it? Just return it, get your money back, and buy it there or somewhere else soon. They won't charge you a restocking fee on defective hardware, and Best Buy had them in stock this evening.

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    4. Re:Defective :( by phoem · · Score: 1

      mine was defective as well, had a bad pixel on the bottom screen, i went back an hour later to eb and they exchanged it for me, she told me that she had set aside a few units just in case of preorder returns.

    5. Re:Defective :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mine has a burned out pixel also.. I called nintendo at
      1-800-255-3700 found that number here http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/repair/repair_for m_us.jsp
      listened to the prompts and got a hold of a representative and he said no problem we can mail you out a new one and you should get it within 3-5 buisness days and then just put your broken one in the box the new one came in. slap the enclosed shipping label and your all set.. though they did need my credit card number just in case i didn't end up sending my old on in to them. then adn only then would they bill me. not to bad at all of an exchange policy. he called it there "advanced replacement" policy oh yea they do need the serial bnumber located ont he back of the ds also
      hope this helps someone out:)

  5. well by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Funny
    Now everyone will be speculating on when the rival
    • nintendo
    will launch ;)
    1. Re:well by vslashg · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. Did the editors edit everyone's joke comments when they edited the title as well? Or was it simply that they failed to capitalize "Nintendo"?

    2. Re:well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original article title was spelled Nindendo.

  6. What are Gamespot on about? by Weirdofreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While [kidnapping them] is admittedly not the best way to get a girl's attention, it certainly doesn't leave much room for misinterpretation.
    (From the XY/XX review)

    Doesn't anybody else think it would be the other way around? Kidnapping somebody is bound to get their attention whatever chromosomes they have, but it certainly doesn't scream, "I want your babies", even if you rape them.

  7. Graphics? by polyp2000 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    For what is tipped at a next-gen handheld im a little dissappointed at the quality of the graphics in those screenshots - looks kinda like a low resolution N64 - lots of primary colors I cant say it blows me away.

    Im sure even so it will sell after all its still a "Gameboy" and thats not just a product its a brand. Things should hot up a little when the PSP arrives on the scene which technologically blows the DS out of the water. I doubt sony will compete on price though, it remains to be seen what happens- none the less the future has to start somewhere....

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    1. Re:Graphics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Things should hot up a little [sic] when the PSP arrives on the scene which technologically blows the DS out of the water.

      If by "technologically blows the DS out of the water," you mean, "will never be able to play the same kind of games as the Nintendo DS because of the DS's dual screens, dual networking options, and touch screen capabilities," you might be right. It's possible that the release of the PSP will get those who were on the fence about either system to jump out and grab a DS, due to the architectural limitations of the PSP.

    2. Re:Graphics? by AbsurdProverb · · Score: 1

      Proving a few recent rumors surprisingly true, Sony Computer Entertainment confirmed the Japanese price and release date for its new PSP handheld last night. The unit will hit Japan on December 12 at a price of 20,790 yen including tax ($194), and Sony will be offering some attractive bundle deals as well. The basic package will include the PSP hardware, an AC adapter, and a single battery pack. For the price of 26,040 yen including tax ($244), consumers will be able to pick up the PSP Value Pack... -extremetech Now there is also speculation for a price drop of 150 dollars here in the States, but who really knows. I would assume this all hinges on just how well the DS does there and here. Sony has some potentially good titles lined up for the PSP (specificly MGS:A, GT4, and a FF7-spin off), but price and battery-life will dictate survival. So far the DS already has a leg up here as its a solid device and it has released earlier.

    3. Re:Graphics? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nintendo could have given the DS better graphics, but they chose not to. This is not because they hate their customers as some people have suggested.

      They had to make some choices. There were some constraints.

      One was battery life. The Nintendo DS's 6-10 hour battery life is at full load. Sony has admitted that the PSP's 4-6 hour quoted battery life is at a certain brightness, using headphones, without using wireless, and playing games that are not that graphically taxing. Tokyo Game Show people were reporting 2 hour actual battery life.

      Another was media. Optical media is less durable, and it takes more power to run, so they chose cartridges. 128 MB per cartridge will likely increase over the life of the system as it did with the GB and GBA, but you need a certain amount of space for the code for the better graphics.

      There is the screen resolution itself. At .24 x .24mm for each pixel and a 3" screen, better graphics would not necessarily look better anyway.

      Then of course there is the cost--the cost to the company and the cost to the customer. Sony may be selling the PSP at $190 in Japan (without any memory card I might add), But it is costing them a lot more to make. Nintendo expects to make a profit immediately.

      Other challengers have fallen to the Gameboy, because they were too power hungry, too costly, and simply too ambitious for the technology of the day.

      The DS blows me away with what it gives me for the cost, battery life, and innovation. I knew going into EB this morning that the graphics would not be better than I had ever seen. It is the package that impresses.

  8. Well this is annoying by dshaw858 · · Score: 0

    It was under 6 months ago that I bought a Game Boy Advance SP... why would they release the SP if their new system is coming out so soon? Oh well, I'm sure there will still be games coming out for the GBA.

    I hope.

    - dshaw

    1. Re:Well this is annoying by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Informative

      DS is a third system not a replacement for the GBA according to nintendo. Basically, they will still be introducing a ton of new GBA games, and DS games too.

    2. Re:Well this is annoying by themoodykid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Shit, I also bought the GBA SP a few months ago. I bought it mainly because it's a very easy game system to develop homebrew games on. (See gbadev.org or my web page, above.) At the time, I did not even know about the Nintendo DS. Anyway, I ended up picking up the DS today because it looked too good to pass up.

      I am hoping that the homebrew community can get together and quickly figure out a way to get our own binaries to run on this thing, because as a hacking system, it looks sweet. It's got WiFi and a touch screen dammit! Imagine the games you could develop for it! I imagine you could get Linux to run on this thing and use a virtual keyboard on the bottom touch-screen to input into a terminal.

    3. Re:Well this is annoying by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      That's what's making me hold of a bit. There aren't really any launch games I want coming out, but if we get a flashcart(or some way to use our old GBA flashcarts), the types of things we'll be able to do will be sweet($150 PDA that plays Nintendo games, officially, with their support). I'm tempted to get one just to play around with the supposed network boot functions.

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    4. Re:Well this is annoying by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      Thank goodness. As much as I love Nintendo, I'm just not that interested in the DS - too big and too feature-dependent (i.e. touchscreen). I love my GBA SP and eagerly await its successor, whenever that might be.

      VERY interesting to know that they will still be releasing GBA games, though! Didn't know that!

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    5. Re:Well this is annoying by iamatlas · · Score: 2, Informative
      Thank goodness. As much as I love Nintendo, I'm just not that interested in the DS - too big and too feature-dependent (i.e. touchscreen).

      It's smaller and lighter than the orignal GB, and easily pocket-able. As for the touch screen, that may be a love-or-hate thing, but I love it, and most other people seem to also. Just try it and see, at least once, in the store. Metroid is pretty damn good, and exceptional at showing how advantagious the touch screen can be for precise control, since you can play with or without it, and with is definitely better for control.

      Wow, I feel like a drug dealer now... First try is free...

    6. Re:Well this is annoying by aliens · · Score: 1

      The SP is able to play GB Advance games, so it's not totally backwards compatiable, but it's still really good.

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    7. Re:Well this is annoying by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      according to nintendo.

      Don't believe everything you read in press releases.

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    8. Re:Well this is annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DS is the successor to the GBA SP.

    9. Re:Well this is annoying by Drakonite · · Score: 1
      DS is a third system not a replacement for the GBA according to nintendo.

      That'll all depend on how well it sells of course.

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    10. Re:Well this is annoying by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      Wrong.

      From the article: "In an interview conducted by Bloomberg Japan, Nintendo confirmed that the Nintendo DS, its newly announced portable dual-screen gaming system, is not being created to take over the Game Boy Advance's market. The company also confirmed that a separate machine is being developed as a next-generation successor for the GBA. According to Nintendo's public relations chief Yasuhiro Minagawa, "The development of succeeding machines for the GBA and Game Cube are in the works, separately from the Nintendo DS."

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  9. Your own fault by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    It has been known that he DS was going to launch before Xmas for almost a year now - well before you bought your GBA SP. You should have done some research first. Though, take some comfort in the fact that the DS is backward compatible with all Gameboy and GBA games, so the upgrade will be smooth if and when you do.

    1. Re:Your own fault by solowCX · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is only compatible with GBA games, not the old Gameboy and Gameboy Color games.

  10. explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Japanese have "interesting" courtship strategies?

  11. Try contacting Nintendo directly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nintendo is usually very good about responding when there is defective hardware.

  12. got one by austad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I picked one up. I'm not impressed with the games that much at all. Mario is kind of boring. Metroid Prime will probably be good, but, the demo doesn't allow you to invert your aiming. Since I always invert my mouse when playing FPSs, this is really annoying and very hard to get used to. I picked up Asphalt Urban GT also, but I haven't opened it yet. Still trying to decide whether or not to return it. The reviews didn't look so hot.

    The unit as far as technology goes is pretty sweet. The touchscreen thing is cool, and the wireless is neat. If there was an open SDK for developing apps for it, people could come up with some pretty neat stuff to run on this. I'm sure game shops will have some neat stuff also, it will just take time.

    Physically, the unit feels kind of cheap. Button layout is not ergonomic at all, and it feels like it was just slapped together. It just feels like there is empty space inside of it, which means it probably could have been smaller. In any case, it doesn't look like they put nearly as much effort into the actual construction and physical design of the unit as they did into the actual guts of it. For $149 though, you can't expect that much.

    I would assume when the game library grows, they will do away with the 2nd cartridge slot and make the unit a bit more compact.

    Honestly though, I bought the unit for the potential of what will come, not for what's currently available. And I like gadgets.

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    1. Re:got one by burbs · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to invert your aiming when you have your stylus right on the cross-hair so you can place it right on the enemy? Anyway, did you try the other options for controls? I know that there's isn't many to choose from. As for games right now, ign.com has rated Super Mario 64 as the highest rated of the releases. They gave Urban GT a stinky 5.5 or something like that.

      I do agree with the size of it, and I think you're right.. accomodating the GBA cartridge. From a marketing standpoint, I think it was a good move on their part. Being backwards compatible is a plus.

      The wireless feature was pretty neat. I played Super Mario 64 with one cartridge and 3 DSs in the store with other customers that just purchased theirs as well.

      There were rumors that there would be a Wi-Fi telephony capability with a headset. I haven't heard much about that as of late, though.

      It will be interesting to see what the developers will do with this.

    2. Re:got one by tod_miller · · Score: 1

      and the wireless is neat

      If there was an open SDK for developing apps for it, people could come up with some pretty neat stuff to run on this

      a wifi beowulf cluster of linux handhelds! ph33r the p3nguin...

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    3. Re:got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the Mario minigames. Those alone sold me on the system. Especially Wario's.

  13. Excited about the DS? I am. by Zen+Punk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just picked one up today. The DS kinda snuck up on me, I didn't even know about it until a few months ago. While one reason I got is because I trust Nintendo to support the hardware well and release the best first-party games(as well as developer support from companies like Sega), the real reason I wanted one is the potential of the hardware crammed into this little package. There is already a pretty good community of amatuer Game Boy Advance development using flash cartridges and neat doodads like the GBA Movie Player. I beleive that a lot more could be done with the capabilities of the DS. A touch screen, integrated wireless networking, microphone, and 3D hardware in a handheld system for $150? Think of the possibilities...PDA functions, web browser, MP3 player, emulators, homebrew 3d games...

    There was a site recently called DSLinux that claimed they would give $1000 to the first person who could successfully run Linux on the DS...unfotunately, the site seems to be no more...while I find that odd and a bit disheartening, I hope others will take up where they left off. After all, wouldn't it be so much more fun to hack on a sleek portable system like this than a clunky XBox that can't do that much more than your average low end PC?

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  14. BIOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The BIOS is reportedly already floating around the net.

  15. The real critics..... by peterbu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ....all I can say is my 9 year old daugher and 13 year old son are thrilled. As consumers of the Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advanced, then Game Boy Advanced SP, and now the DS they are in a better position to judge than I. And, they are completely thrilled by this unit; particularily the graphics, second screen and wireless capability.

    I am certain word of mouth on the unit at elementary school and middle school will ensure the success of this system.

    I am just curious what Nintendo will do next. The addition of a second screen was pretty creative, but where will they go next?

    -pete
    [one downside is the lack of games, but that will change soon]

    1. Re:The real critics..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three screens.

    2. Re:The real critics..... by peterbu · · Score: 1

      ....yeah....I set that one up pretty good!

  16. SOLD OUT (New shipments before Christmas?) by cmpalmer · · Score: 1

    OK, it seems that every store and mail order shop is already sold out, but a few are taking orders to ship when they get new units.

    Does anyone know if this is an "artificial" shortage to build up "Tickle Me Elmo" type hysteria leading into Christmas, or is Nintendo really having trouble producing enough units for the Christmas season?

    I missed my chance to pick on up at the local Target. I was trying to buy two (one for each of my kids), but when I got to Target at 1:30PM on Sunday, a woman in front of my bought the last one they had.

    I'm not buying one from an eBay or z-Shop scalper, but I'm wondering if I should try to place a "send me one when you get them" online order, or just chill and wait for the local Wal-Marts to get a few hundred on the day after Thanksgiving (or the week before Christmas).

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    1. Re:SOLD OUT (New shipments before Christmas?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Does anyone know if this is an "artificial" shortage to build up "Tickle Me Elmo" type hysteria leading into Christmas, or is Nintendo really having trouble producing enough units for the Christmas season?"

      Nintendo has said all along that there would be between 6 and 10 million units shipped to retailers by the end of December 2004. They also said that these numbers would be worldwide total shipped numbers. Sources say Nintendo has nearly met the upper limit and is currently at 9.2 million units produced. Most of the North American shipments (sources say 68-72%) have been made.

      In Toronto, Canada, acentdotal evidence shows me that big box retailers like Best Buy/Futureshop, Wal~Mart and Toys R Us, still have some units remaining after initial store launches of 40 units or more. Whether these similar inventories carry over to their US counterparts is at best a guess, but it seems likely. It seems thought that gaming stores on both sides of the border like EB, CompuSmart are a) either hurting for inventory or are b) sadistically tryng to punish consumers for not pre ordering. Personally I am leaning toward b).

      Personally I think there will likely be a tight supply in more rural areas but it will not escalate to the US wide Elmo craze several years back that you alluded to. I also think that Nintendo has done an adequate job in disallowing hoarding while preparing for their Japanese launch in December.

      I still think that if you are in a city, a simple old fashioned store visit is your best bet. Call ahead though and have them save one for you at the counter.

      As an aside, if I had wanted to I could have saved $23 bucks off the official Canadian launch price of 199.99CND + TAX just by not pre-ordering and going on launch day to a Wal~Mart or FutureShop/BestBuy retail store. Ahh the joys of a finally having a healthier currency.

      Disclaimer:
      The views expressed are personal and do not reflect those of Nintendo or any of their international subsidiaries.

    2. Re:SOLD OUT (New shipments before Christmas?) by peterbu · · Score: 1
      I think it is legit. At the Game Stop where I pre-ordered 2 in Sept, they had a huge stack of them behind the counter on Sunday and they stopped taking orders in October.

      So, that(the big pile) tends to support demand outweighing actual supply. I would say they had a couple hundred of them.