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1.6TB In a Shoebox, If You've Got the Money
zmcnulty writes "While not exactly a technological marvel in itself, IO Data Device's new 'HDZ-UE1.6TS' exemplifies the recent trend towards demand for higher storage capacities -- it's an external hard drive setup offering a total capacity of 1.6TB. Not much larger than four 3.5" hard drives, the HDZ-UE1.6TS goes to show that any (rich) consumer can now easily have a boatload of storage space. Here's the Japanese press release." (At current conversion rates, this would cost nearly $2,900.)
But seriously... with this and an optical data line, running your own household Usenet server starts to become practical.
Seems to me like this will be one of those pieces of equipment we will all "laugh at" next fall. I mean the size is good and all... but it is huge.
Sorta reminds me of the 270gb MaxAttach file storage unit I have sitting in my rack @ work. The thing is huge... but 3 years ago it was "modern." Now I can buy a 400gb SATA hard drive that is 1/20th the size and has even MORE space.
Infact -- speaking of which -- with SATA getting bigger and bigger this thing is a "waste of money."
the recent trend towards demand for higher storage capacities
This is a recent trend?
how many internets can this hold?
6 250gb hd's a good controller for ~$1200? what is the point of this besides having another toy?
But then where do I put my shoes?
Hmm... $2900 for 1.6TB of storage? And no ethernet? Why not just build your own NAS unit that has the same amount of storage, includes ethernet, and would cost you about $1200-$1400? You could even put it in a fancy case for that price.
Supported operating systems are Windows Me, 2000 and XP.
It doesn't support any of unices.
LaCie has an external FireWire800/USB2 external drive available for about $1000, see here.
With the cost of IDE hard drives dropping, you could get 4 300 Gig IDE (or SATA) hard drives, and put them in an external case. I think you could shave a $1000 off that price. Even better would be if it was a network storage device.
Then why does it clearly say 1.2TB on the front of the case?
Only $2199. Been available for a while now, there's probably a Slashdot story about it too.5 1
http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=105
The device is basically an external hardware RAID implementation. I'm just wondering what they do to help the reliability of the data. I also wonder if you can choose to change the RAID configuration of the device. For people that don't care too much about the preservation of data, 4 drives running in parallel, at 4 times the speed would be kinda neat :)
Not much larger than four 3.5" hard drives, the HDZ-UE1.6TS goes to show that any (rich) consumer can now easily have a boatload of storage space.
Stupid metric system... what's the conversion rate from boatloads to Libraries of Congress?
LaCie's 1.6TB drive lists for $2199, their older 1TB drive is $999.
I'd rather have the $2,900 in a shoebox, thanks
$2900 for 1.6 TB!?! And you're complaining!?! Bah!
I remember paying $2000 for a 100 MB SCSI disk when they first came out. And this was before that new-fangled internet thingy came out; so we didn't have on-line porn to fill up our disks with! No, siree. Back then, we had to fill up our hard disks with actual source code!
Oh, where or where have all the real hackers gone, these days?
Here's the Japanese press release." (At current conversion rates, this would cost nearly $2,900.)
Hahah who needs a hard drive? I don't have hard drives. i just keep 30 chinese teenagers in my basement and force them to memorize numbers. It's a lot cheaper.
Can someone convert it to Libraries of Congress, I cant work in Terabytes.
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The Law of steadily increased storage, much like moore's law, never ceases to amaze.
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Archiving video is becoming a mainstream activity these days :-)
Now, granted we did this with EMC storage which has caching SCSI controllers and ports for fibre attachment, but...
About 4 years ago my former* employer bought about 1.5 terabytes in an EMC cabinet for about $3,600,000.00. It was a cabinet of 18Gig 10K rpm drives. Yes, they paid a steep markup, but it's still insane compared to the equivalent quality gear available at over a 100 fold decrease in price. Going cheap, like the device in the article or a LaCie bigdisk, would be about a 1,000 fold decrease.
* They blew through $80 million in VC money in under 3 years. About 10% of that went to EMC for gear that never saw a bit of data stored on it or routed through it. I'll never work for another startup again...
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Like the coyote. You finaly obtain it.
But then have that sick realization of "How are you going to back up this bad boy?"
for /dev/null ...
160gig maxtor have been as low as $30/each (closer to $37 incl tax) after rebate. For about $1500-$1600 total you can put 20 of them together in 3 sets of 5 plus 5 spares and have 1.9TB of RAID. Yes, it costs more for power. About the same as my 5 x 9gig 5.25" 70GB FDDI attached array run by a SPARC20 that cost almost $25k back in the day...
A couple of years ago I duplicated the system I sold for $500k that incorporated this array, a FDDI switch, and a half doz SGI Indigo 2's for less than $1000. Really underscores the adage that when it comes to computing, if you don't need it now, don't buy it now.
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Just a quick question:
Does MythTV or another tool have an ability to basically create your own TV channel?
That is, if I took all of my DVDs and encoded them (DivX, or whatever...), could I basically set up a box to keep a stream playing all the time, randomly jumping around the entire library?
Can anyone send me a working Internet by e-mail, please?
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Everyone is going overboard about how this external unit is overpriced, however there are more things to consider than price.
1. Many people have hundreds of gigs of movies in the form of divx, and would like to make a portable backup to travel.
2. Building a cheap pc with internal hds is not always practical. It would have a much higher chance of breaking with all the extra parts, use more power, not be easy to move.
WiebeTech also has a product, the RT5, that has 2TB of storage. The price is much higher though. With this model, you can choose the RAID 0-5, and hot-swap the drives. They also purport to support Windows XP, 2K, Mac OS X, and Linux via dual Firewire 400/800 connections.
Even the Ohio Attorney General thinks so.
:P
Yeah, I'm offtopic, but I'm also informative. So there.
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It was not that many years ago.... OK, it was a long time, when Radio Shack was selling a 5K Tandy hard drive (the size of two shoeboxes) for $5,000.
Right on. This past weekend, I priced out a 2.5 Tb roll-your-own NAS box from Newegg for about $2500.
Question for the audience: Does the 2.6 kernel support SATA hot-swap yet? I know you can get add-in boards that present virual SCSI hot-swap for plenty of money, but I'd like to do it with cheap controllers.
I'm pretty darn happy with XServe RAID under linux but I'm always watching for the cheap alternative.
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I wanted that too. Instead I have a pair of Sony DVP-CX777ES 400 disc DVD changers hooked up to an Escient DVDM-100 media manager. I just pick the DVD I want and it does the rest (even downloads cover art and movie info from Escient). $1700 for the manager, $500 for each changer (up to 3). You can have 1200 DVDs on demand for $3200. Probably the second best purchase I've made for my theater, next to my projector/screen.
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We recieved two of these from a vendor for data processing. Half way into coping the files off, the device stopped responding and we started to get the dreaded head clacking from one of the drives, the whole device and all the data on them is now useless to us. I am not a statistician but I assume a 5 drive device would have a 5 times greater chance of failing then a single drive would. Those are not very good chances based on my experience in the past few years with IDE drives. YMMV
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I have an 80 hour, and a 120 hour ReplayTV, as well as a 250 hour drive in a PC for the server (http://www.dvarchive.organdistilloccasionallyruno utofspace./
How do I do this? I often set up channels for things that I MIGHT watch. For example WAM has been showing the TV show 'Weird Science'. Now, when I set up the channel, I didn't KNOW I was going to watch it, but thought that I MIGHT want to watch it. So, I set up a 10 hour channel, and let it run. A month later, I noticed that I had 10 hours of this show, so I had a 'Weird Science' Marathon. It was entertaining, and didn't require constant attention.
My wife has programs that she recorded over a year ago, and still hasn't seen. I have no doubt she will eventually watch them, as I periodically see her watch old shows.
'Good Eats' alone has 120 episodes, and at a medium quality takes up ~120 gigs. (2gb/hour * 60 hrs = 120 gig)br
The real benefit of DVRs is not that they make better VCRs. The real benefit is in allowing you to watch WHAT you want WHEN you want it. That requires a lot of disk space.
These 4 disks are striped (RAID 0), which is great for performance, but if any of the drives fails, you lost all the 1.6 TB of data. Given that there are 4 drives in the enclosure, your chances of a disk failure are about 4 times higher than that of a single drive.
Bear in mind that typically, these disk enclosures for home use have poor ventilation, so the likelyhood of a drive failing is higher than with the PCs internal drives.
For me, the odds don't seem good. I would much rather have RAID 1 + 0 (two mirrored disksets that are then striped) with half the capacity but better protection from data loss.
This is precisely the reason why I am holding off from buying one of these disk boxes, even though I like the idea of having a place to store all my CD images - and more.
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So, I take it you haven't ripped any of your CDs to MP3/AAC/WMA/ogg/etc.? 'Cause, you know, it's just so easy to walk over to your wall, pull down a CD, pop it in your player... :-)
Even if I *weren't* so totally lazy, I'd *still* want to rip all my DVDs. First of all, as a TiVo owner, I *totally love* the whole "press a button and see a list of everything I have" thing.
Secondly, I hate media. That is, little plastic and metal things I have to move around. (Furethermore: I could care less about CD liner notes, and every DVD box is the same--picture of the actor on the front, and a back panel listing all the special DVD features like... interactive menus, and subtitles! ooh... But anyway,)
I hate taking out these fragile things and moving them into and out of the player (and then the bonus: that I *have to* sit through the bullshit red warnings in nine languages, and the 30-minute intro montage just to get to the fscking menus.) If I scratch one while taking it out of its shitty case (I never thought they'd find worse packaging than plain-old jewel cases, but here we are--press the center button, bend your DVD backwards, and hope it doesn't get scratched when it *finally* springs out of the vise-like holder) then yippee, I get to pay for it again!
I'd much rather have it all on HDs. I shouldn't touch anything but buttons. Plus, once it's all, y'know, *computerized*, you get all kinds of neat bonuses, like "Show me all the Harrison Ford movies I have" or "what comedies have I not watched in the last six months" and things like that.
And the randomness is a bonus. Sometimes I can't really think of what I'd like to watch, and I've even had this happen: I'll be flipping around HBO or Showtime, see a move on *that I own*, and I'll leave it on, just because it's already on and it's as good of a choice as I could have made on my own. So a "random play", just like all CD and MP3 players have, would be cool, too. Especially if my Humongo Media Server has shows as well as movies--maybe Used Cars, maybe The Simpsons, maybe Terminator 2, maybe Seinfeld, maybe Law and Order... just the thing to have on for a long Saturday of room-cleaning and slashdot-reading.
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