KDE 3.3.2 Released

Did they ever fix that bug.... by secondsun · 2004-12-08 04:47 · Score: 1

Did they fix that bug? You know, the one when you loaded KDE your computer got real slow?

All kidding aside I am really looking foward to KDE 4. Dropping artsd, the new QT widgets (which I know are not qt but deal) which will have much more .Net / J2EE style connectivity and functionality (I think they were branded data aware). Just want to know how much longer until I can get a fully working win32 binary release so I can drop explorer.exe but keep my win32 apps (such as virtual dub).

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Re:Did they ever fix that bug.... by Spoing · 2004-12-08 05:07 · Score: 2, Informative
1. Just want to know how much longer until I can get a fully working win32 binary release so I can drop explorer.exe but keep my win32 apps (such as virtual dub).
I don't know what Windows has to do with KDE, though Virtual Dub works fine under Wine. Also, if you need .Net (CLR) support, the folks working on the Gnome project are integrating Mono.
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Re:Did they ever fix that bug.... by Bachus9000 · 2004-12-08 07:34 · Score: 1

Some people prefer KDE to the standard "explorer" shell*, but would rather run in Windows to get the increased compatibility with programs (most likely games). Maybe there are only two people that want this, though...(me and the GP).

*Yes yes, shell != window manager, etc etc. You know what I mean. :)
Re:Did they ever fix that bug.... by Homology · 2004-12-08 12:40 · Score: 1

*Yes yes, shell != window manager, etc etc. You know what I mean. :)
Don't count on it. Many "geeks" don't know the difference between firmware and drivers. Just have a look on the Slashdot stories on OpenBSD activism to get wireless chipset makers to have a free disitribution of binary firmware.

./ editors by afd8856 · 2004-12-08 04:58 · Score: 1

Do I sense a troll in the parent post? I mean... come on! Even on a low level machine (1 Ghz) the compilation of Qt+KDE will be done at the most in 24 hours

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Re:./ editors by the_maddman · 2004-12-08 05:09 · Score: 1

Do I sense a troll in the parent post? I mean... come on! Even on a low level machine (1 Ghz) the compilation of Qt+KDE will be done at the most in 24 hours

Well, SPARC's aren't very fast CPU wise. If it's an older SPARC with a slow SCSI disk, it could take over 24 hours to compile. Let me tell you about compiling NetBSD on a DecStation 3100, that's a long wait. x86 has really pushed past the RISC workstations in raw speed, there's a reason why even Sun is trying out Opteron workstations.
Re:./ editors by Geek+Boy · 2004-12-08 05:25 · Score: 1

Takes me 4 hours to compile the whole thing. Dual Athlon 2400
Re:./ editors by Nova1313 · 2004-12-08 05:47 · Score: 1

I agree we have ultra 5's and 10's running gnome on solaris 9. No need to upgrade but I believe the fastest we have is around 500mhz. It works so why do we need more speed. We do however have a nice server to run all our compiles on. But even the simplest program compiled locally can take a few seconds. What really is the need for all the speed anyway. Alot of multimedia usually. Of which the sparc do not really have a good array of applications to help with that.

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Re:./ editors by paulatz · 2004-12-08 22:37 · Score: 1

I guess the poster was referring to the conversion of kde to run on Solaris.
If the source code has to be scanned and modified in order to be compiled for Solaris on sparc that could take weeks!

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VAX 782 trivia by bm17 · 2004-12-08 05:17 · Score: 3, Interesting

I have heard that the Vax 782 was designed so that the VMS engineers could still build the entire OS in under a day. The 782 was basically a dual processor VAX-11/780. I don't know how true it is, but it was a good story.

Re:Gentoo on Sparc? by vasqzr · 2004-12-08 05:37 · Score: 1

Or cross-compile on a (cheap, fast) x86 box.

Konqueror bug fixes? by Dink+Paisy · 2004-12-08 07:06 · Score: 1

Remember the recent Slashdot article wherein a security researcher demonstrated that Konqueror, Mozilla and Opera were bug-ridden security time-bombs waiting to happen? The Mozilla team took it to heart and quickly fixed the bugs he found, and started using his tool to check for bugs.

Anyone know if the Konqueror team did the same? I've Switched to Firefox because of this issue, but I really prefer Konqueror, and if I knew that they were being proactive with security I would switch back.

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Re:Konqueror bug fixes? by minus_273 · 2004-12-08 10:56 · Score: 1

it's been fixed in safari so it is likely it's been fixed in konq as well

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Re:Konqueror bug fixes? by jdowland · 2004-12-08 23:11 · Score: 1

Nonsense - are safari even back-propagating patches to KDE any more? Last I heard the 'mega patch' that apple released to KDE at safari's launch still wasn't dealt with.
Re:Konqueror bug fixes? by Carewolf · 2004-12-09 00:44 · Score: 1

ASFAI can remember he only demonstrated it with Mozilla, Opera and IE. Konqueror did fine when later submitted to the same tests.

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Re:Konqueror bug fixes? by Dink+Paisy · 2004-12-09 02:11 · Score: 1

Konqueror and Opera were affected by different vulnerabilities than Mozilla, but he demonstrated several in each browser. IE was the only browser not affected, indicating that it was the only browser getting basic testing for security.
The Mozilla team quickly corrected the issues he found with Mozilla, and started using his tool to perform basic security testing. Those bug fixes are in place for the Firefox 1.0 release, which is what I'm using on Linux.

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Re:Konqueror bug fixes? by oliverthered · 2004-12-11 08:55 · Score: 1

I don't know but Konq is definatly the most bugging browser I've used.
What they need to do is fully encapsulate the components in seperate threads so that when KHTML crashes it doesn't take out all my Konq windows.

Threading apart from the obvious benifits to be gained from hypetthreading and multi-core processors that are going to hit the desktop in the next couple of years, would also enable pooling which would mand you could have 50 konq windows open, but only a couple of khtml parts doing the work, giving a lower memory overhead, and allowing the application in the forground to get priority over the application in the background etc...

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Re:Damnit by dn15 · 2004-12-08 12:42 · Score: 2, Funny

I just upgraded for craps sakes.

That's nothing, I just finished compiling the previous release on Gentoo. :P

Did IE for Mac use khtml from kde? by t482 · 2004-12-08 13:57 · Score: 1

I ran into quite a strange bug on a website where an image map worked fine in ie windows and mozilla, but wasn't working in safari on mac and konqueror in linux. Which makes sense since they both use the same html rendering engine. Apparently IE for mac has exactly the same issue (I tested it to make sure). Is it possible that Microsoft used a bit of linux in their browser for mac?

Re:Gentoo on Sparc? by calidoscope · 2004-12-08 19:28 · Score: 1

We've just changed over the default gcc on the Companion CD to gcc-3.4.2, and he's trying to build KDE with it just now.

Is gcc-3.4.2 available on the currently available Companion CD? (otoh, I could quit being so lazy and check sun.com myself) Will be fun to play with it - especially comparing Koffice with SOffice (I like the containers paradigm in kwrite - got spoiled by Island Write).

I had tried an earlier (~2.0) of KDE on Solaris - that one messed up something in the color map (running a Creator-3 card) that could only be cured by creating a new user and copying all the files to the new home directory.

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Konqueror: the file and internet browser by GreatBunzinni · 2004-12-08 22:04 · Score: 2, Interesting

I wish that the KDE team supplied different programs for file browsing and internet browsing. Modularity/specialization is the answer to produce good software and it is a shame that this lesson is being forgotten. The KDE team is taking konqueror (among others) in the opposite direction, which is a shame, really.

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Re:Konqueror: the file and internet browser by m50d · 2004-12-08 23:49 · Score: 3, Informative

I disagree with you there. The KDE team are very much into modularity; what they are doing is making their applications modular. Konqueror is mostly a shell for khtml and their file rendering code. Everything's in kparts. Kontact works similarly. I think this is a great way to do things, because it means true frontend/backend separation - a frontend is just a shell for kparts, a backend is just a kpart, and both are interchangeable with others.

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Re:Konqueror: the file and internet browser by GreatBunzinni · 2004-12-09 00:41 · Score: 2, Insightful

KDE and it's applications can be very modular but konqueror isn't one example of it. It is an application which is written to serve multiple purposes in a non-modular way, using KDE widgets. It isn't at all like Kontact, where it uses existing applications (Kmail, KNode, KOrganizer, etc etc etc...) as it's components.

If someone wants to use only a mail client, it can ditch Kontact and use only KMail. If someone wants a newsreader but doesn't want all the clutter, then use KNode. What do I have to ditch in Konqueror to have a simple file manager that doesn't need to handle HTML rendering, cookies, java applets, RSS feeds, CSS, etc.. ? Nothing. It isn't possible.

I agree that KDE is modular but unfortunately that modularity is missing in konqueror and IMHO, being the KDE app that I and others use the most, it is hurting a bit.

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Re:Konqueror: the file and internet browser by Mornelithe · 2004-12-09 03:03 · Score: 2, Insightful

No. Konqueror is just the shell. khtml supports HTML rendering, cookies, Java applets, CSS and so on. When you use Konqueror as a web browser, it's just a wrapper with a toolbar around khtml. Similarly, when you're browsing your local disk, Konqueror is just a shell for the KDE file browsing part (kfmclient?).

In fact, if and whenever the Gecko kpart gets approved for inclusion into the standard KDE distribution, it's quite likely that you'll be able to compile KDE without khtml at all. Then you'll have Gecko embedded in Konqueror for browsing. It may even be possible to compile KDE without khtml now, although I can't guarantee it.

When you load up Konqueror, pretty much all the functionality it has is a menu, toolbars, tabs, and split panes. Then, if you load a web site, it loads up khtml. If you open your local filesystem, it loads up that kpart. If you open a pdf, it can open up an embedded pdf viewer part and display it. Any file that can be viewed in a kpart can be viewed embedded in Konqueror. It is modular like Kontact. Konqueror did it first.

The fact that you and many other people don't even realize that Konqueror is modular like it is speaks a lot to how well it's done. Konqueror's just a bunch of parts that fit together, but it provides you with a pretty seamless experience like a monolithic program would. It's quite an accomplishment.

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Re:Konqueror: the file and internet browser by m50d · 2004-12-09 05:14 · Score: 1

You need to write an alternative wrapper around konq_dirpart. Alternatively, you can certainly build konqueror without some of the things you mention, although I suspect the basic html rendering may be essential without some severe hacking. OK so there's no easy way to do it right now that I know of, but konq_dirpart.h is there for anyone who wants to write a separate file browser

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Re:Konqueror: the file and internet browser by Illissius · 2004-12-09 05:27 · Score: 1

While it's not exactly the same (commander-style as opposed to explorer/finder-style), give Krusader a try.

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Re:Yes, its a troll by Carewolf · 2004-12-09 00:42 · Score: 1

I have KDE 3.2 running on a Solaris 2.8 UltraSPARC 2i. You usually have to wait for the .1 or .2 release before all quirky UNIXes work.

new and improved software! by ecalkin · 2004-12-09 02:09 · Score: 1

I believe this got a new version number, not slipped in the back door as a service pack.

eric

Re:Gentoo on Sparc? by calidoscope · 2004-12-09 17:34 · Score: 1

Re: gcc-3.4.2 for Sparc
Nope. The latest companion CD is Solaris 9 Update 7 and that has gcc-3.3.2.

That's what's installed on my system - haven't played with it yet as I usually use 2.95.3 for building source containing gcc'isms. Heard that 3.4.2 does a better job of optimizing for Sparc than earlier versions - though not up to the level of Workshop -er- Forte -er- whatever.

The current Companion had KDE-3.x on it.

Pretty sure I have that loaded as well - and I do have experience with KDE-3.x from Mandrake-10 on a peecee. I'm one of the weirdo's who actually likes CDE - having worked with and liking HP's VUE.

sunfreeware.com, pkgsrc (which has had a lot of development recently) and blastwave.org.

Knew about sunfreeware and blastwave, not sure if I've heard about pkgsrc - thanks for the tip.

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YEAH!!! by mattyrobinson69 · 2004-12-10 01:00 · Score: 1

im emerging it now as part of emerge -uDn world (after ive emerged gcc first) as part of my now ~x86 system - woo!

Off topic but... by mattyrobinson69 · 2004-12-11 08:43 · Score: 1

im really glad that slashdot has picked up again recently. 6 months ago, discussions like this would be like this:

1) kde r0x
2) no, kde sux! gnome r0x
3) no, your sh1t! the cli is enough for everybody, gui's are for p00fs
4) blackbox is l33t, everything else sux!

etc.

Or is it that the penguins at the south pole are the arseholes, but they only post in the night?

Re:Remember folks... by oliverthered · 2004-12-11 09:06 · Score: 1

I wish they pushed out smaller packages, I expect that 5% of the components are affected by the update, sloppy, yet typical configuration management can only be to blaim for this.

Almost every project I have ever worked on has sloppy configuration management, typically involding overwriting the whole system with the update. This is a problem because it shows that they are unable to track what has been changed, or just don't havethe confidence in their tracking to do a delta rollout.

The lack of tracking also makes regression bugs a pain to fix, and roll backs next to impossible.

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