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Guide to your Perfect Digital Camera

Alan Dang writes "I've just posted a new digital camera buyer's guide at FiringSquad titled A Tale of Two Cameras. It explains why the digital SLR may not be the best camera for you, and helps you narrow down your holiday digital camera buying to a short list."

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  1. Funny by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's funny how an entire feature can be so insightful about digital cameras, and totally leave out suggestions about photo printers. Quality in prints now is limited to printer quality, not image resolution, if I am not mistaken.

    I just think it would be helpful when making a "buyer's guide" like this to include some printer recommendations for the layman all the way up to the pro...

    1. Re:Funny by mtfbwy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The best recommendation is to take your digital photos to a lab with a Fuji Frontier printer or similiar.

    2. Re:Funny by DocStoner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've brought up a good point. People (amatuers) ask me all the time about what printer to buy because they want to print their digital photos.

      They always give me a dumbfounded look when I tell them not to print any photos on any of the entry level photo printers, instead have them printed at a reputable photo lab. "Isn't that expensive?" they ask. Nope, not when compared to the total cost of the paper, the ink cartridges you used and the quality of the prints.

      Unless you are a pro (or a VERY serious photo geek) and can afford a pro quality photo printer,do not print digital photos at home.

    3. Re:Funny by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of the photos won't be very good and maybe the _proportion_ of good shots goes down, but the _quantity_ of good shots goes up.

      I have to disagree with you a bit. Ever since getting my D70, I have had more and more "keepers" compared to the total amount of pictures I have taken due to the fact that I am getting more practice(I usually take my camera out every day), and the instant feedback lets me know if something I tried works or not. It has been teaching me a lot about photography.

    4. Re:Funny by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, that's not the only problem with the article. The article suggests that "large capacities are available in all form factors" or some such. But what is large? Can you get a 4GB microdrive in an xD card? Can you find a memory stick that doesn't cost twice as much as a CF for the same size? Don't minimize the importance of choosing a standard. CF is a standard. A half dozen companies use it. Most of the -other- formats are single-vendor, which means they tend to cost more and have less capabilities.

      It should also be more clear when it says that a digital SLR's CCD size is eight times the size of a normal digital camera's CCD. That must be in area, 'cause it sure as heck can't be in width. I've never heard of a 1/8-inch CCD, and I wouldn't want to use one even if they existed.

      Finally, I question the whole "Digital SLR has a shorter depth of field" assertion. Depth of field is a property of distance, focal length, and aperture. By stacking ND4 filters, I can get a very shallow depth of field on pretty much any camera (assuming there's a way to attach said filters). Taking wide-angle shots, I can get a very deep depth of field, even on a digital SLR. The Digital SLR, however, was designed with this in mind and allows the user much greater control over depth of field.

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  2. Gah by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meet today's nominee for the 2004 Worst Application of Flash Award.

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  3. Argh! by Xentax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's all great information...but what about some advice for the budget segment? I want to buy someone a digital camera for Xmas but I don't want to spend more than $200.

    To me, this segment is the MOST likely to have a wide range of quality for the price point. Does anyone have advice here as to makes or models in the $200 or less price range? "Don't bother for less than $X" is also valid advice if you can back it up, of course...

    Xentax

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  4. Re:Yay by ATN · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Agreed, pick the best tool for the job. In this case flash isn't it.

  5. Re:Yay by Random+Chaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People who use flash like this should be shot.

  6. Re:Yay by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm all for using Flash when it makes sense, but I can't even make myself read an article presented in such a way.

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  7. Article not useful by ktulu1115 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article was focused on a single point pretty much, SLR or non-SLR.

    The way I see it is - if you're looking to get a digital camera and you don't even know what SLR is, don't get one. It's designed for advanced and more knowledgable photographers.

    That being said, I own a Canon A80 which I am quite happy with. Also, a good book on digital photography which I also own is Complete Digital Photography 2nd Ed

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    1. Re:Article not useful by Flamesplash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't even get the thing to run, I click the 'click here' and nothing.

      Canon's make good into cameras, I have a Powershot S330, then a year later I moved up to an Olympus C740 UZ as it had a 10x optical zoom in a still small body, it was one of the first.

      When it comes to cameras, just get something that looks good, eg a lower end canon, then figure out what you like don't like and want for the next one.

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    2. Re:Article not useful by temojen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So far, it looks like they're saying that dSLRs always have shallow depth of field, which is less than helpful.

      Iff you know how to use it, any Digital or Film SLR should have whatever depth of field you need, and should be really fast to dial in the right setting. On my Canon AE-1 Program (a 1980 film SLR) it takes me seconds to dial the shutter speed to one that will force the aperature to what I want. Shooting portraits, I use a fast shutter to force a shallow depth of field; shooting landscapes, I use a slow shutter to force a wide depth of field.

      For better results, sometimes I use the simplified zone system with the built-in lightmeter.

      My Minolta DiMAGE 7 (a digital cam midway between a compact and a dSLR) only has wide depth of field. This can be handy for some shots, but I find it annoying for others. Also the shutter and aperature are awkward to adjust manually, which makes the simplified zone system difficult to use. I greatly prefer the clarity (and NO LAG!) of my SLR viewfinder to the LCD and evf of my digital camera.

    3. Re:Article not useful by cheshire_cqx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a Canon A70 which I like a lot.

      One area where a DSLR would be well worth it is in capturing action. The A70 makes very good photos, but it's slow to start up and there's a lot of delay between pressing the shutter release and actually taking a picture. You can mitigate this by half-pressing the shutter release to pre-focus/meter, but that's a problem with a moving subject (like a toddler!). You end up with a lot of eyes-closed-missed-the-cute-moment photos.

      Second issue: on camera flash is evil. Only a few compact cameras give you a hotshoe. DSLR's will give way better flash results with their bounce flash/diffuser capability. Almost every flash picture I have yields terrible red-eye. Photoshop Album can generally fix this, but not all the time. Even without red eye, you generally get a sterile, harshly lit result.

      I think these are the two most significant shortcoming of the digital P&S camera.

      [BTW -- I do recommend the A70 & up cameras. For the price they're quite good.]

  8. Re:Why DSLR might not be right for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    People without a camera often ask me what camera to get, and they usually don't need to hear any more than: DSLR > $1200 to decide they prefer point and shoot.

    People with a camera (point and shoot) often ask me why they can't take good photos in low light or why the camera won't take a picture right when they want it to. Then they understand why DSLR > $1200.

    Until they have experience, people seem to believe that there is no difference in quality, just a difference in "bells and whistles," whatever those are, and that inexpensive machines are equivalent to expensive machines, but stripped of useless "bells and whistles."

  9. DSLR == Narrow depth of field???!!! by MROD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I got a little way through this piece and came across a gross error which, for me, made the rest of the article of very dubious worth.

    One of the reasons extolled at length for choosing one type against abother is that a DSLR has a narrow depth of field and a "standard" digital camera has a greater depth. As anyone who knows about photography would know this is total tosh.

    The depth of field depends upon the aperture of the iris. A small aperture acts rather like a pinhole camera and hence will give a great depth of field. A large aperture relys upon the lens for focus and hence depends greatly on the focal length of the lens system giving critical focus and a very narrow depth of field.

    Cheap "standard" digital cameras will usually have a small lens and small (fixed?) aperture hence a large depth of field. More expensive "standard" digital cameras are more sophisticated and allow the user to change the aperture and have a larger lens, so they can have a narrow depth of field.

    Digital SLRs are totally dependant upon the lens system. However, because they have a variable iris within the lens systems they can have either a very wide depth of field (if they're stopped right down) or a very narrow depth of field (iris wide open). Both the end points of these will depend entirely on the characteristics of the lens systems.

    How many people would accept an article which said that you shouldn't buy a 35mm SLR because you only get a narrow depth of field?

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  10. Why is the "bottom" of the market $350? by gelfling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That seems steep. Maybe this article is designed for the semiprofessional photographer who carries more than one camera around? That way the discussion about weight and bulk sounds more relevant. I mean if you're going to spend $1000 on a digital camera you may already be familiar with Digital Hasselblads.

  11. Re:Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You got that right! 99% CPU usage just to view a freakin' text because the author thought it was cool to do it with flash? What a waste of bandwidth...

  12. Re:In short by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a lot more to photo quality that the megapixels. You you can't get anywhere near the level of detail and sharpness that a DSLR gets with the tiny lenses and tiny sensors that point-and-shoot cameras have. They're fine for many situations, but to claim that they're almost as good as a DSLR simply because they have a similar number if pixels is absurd.

  13. Just Another Ad by waxcrash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm getting sick of these Slashdot stories that are just ads. This 'Digital Camera Buyer's Guide' is just a pretext to try to sell 'digital camera bundles'.

  14. Re:Few people consider... by mtrupe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...Not to mention the $$$ you'll sink into a decent flash! Its funny how many people I see using SLRS strictly in program mode.

    http://www.rupertphotography.com/
    http://fromthemorning.blogspot.com/

  15. Re:Yay by iBod · · Score: 2, Insightful
    And why so much border? You have a whole browser, fill it up

    So, can I assume that if you have a living room, or a bedroom, or a bathroom, that you'd just fill it full of stuff, right up to the walls?

    Space is good! It allows movement.

    In graphic design (including web) clear white space is a powerful tool.

    In music (the silences are as important as the notes) or in theatre (dramatic pauses) - emptyness is powerful and just as important as words.

    Space and silence is good. Don't just fill it up just because it's there.

  16. Compromise by cowbutt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The digicams on my shortlist back in april were:

    Fuji S602Z

    Fuji S7000

    Fuji S5000

    Olympus C-750UZ

    Kodak 6490

    I went for the C-750. The S602 was good, but bulky and, I felt, rather conspicuous for inner-city photography. The S7000 was also good, but was similarly bulky and cost more. The S5000 was also bulky, but cheaper, and with a zoom that matched the C-750, but had rather over-aggressive JPEG compression, forcing one to use RAW mode and post-process more extensively than might otherwise be the case. I'll confess to not examining the 6490 as closely as perhaps I should have, but I gather it is rather more limited in terms of manual controls and also uses a proprietary Li-Ion battery.

    The C-750 was the right choice for me, for now. I might well be shopping around for a D- or film SLR in a couple of years, once I've improved my technique with the C-750. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

  17. You bet I would fill it up to the walls by brlewis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I had a living room, bedroom or bathroom that measured 19" or less diagonally, you can bet I would fill it up to the walls.

    Go to a newsstand and check how many publications use 30% whitespace on their pages. It's just not practical to do that when your purpose is to present informative articles.

    Sites that use tons of whitespace think of themselves as museum walls. That's not even appropriate for most photo sites. Think more in terms of a family photo album. You put several photos on one page so people can quickly flip through and find the ones they're interested in.

  18. My experience by joshv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recently bought a Canon 20D. Although I am very happy with the purchase, I have to admit that in most situations my old Canon G3 produces photos that look just as good. Granted the 20D's shots will always have twice as many pixel, but 95% of the time they are not needed.

    The one place where the 20D and other DSLRs excel is that their much larger sensor allow for very low noise, even at very high ISO settings. But again, 95% of the time you are never going to notice the difference, and programs like Neat Image and Grain Surgery do an amazing job in situations where there noise is noticable.

    Another problem with DSLRs is that good lenses are very very expensive. Even in DSLR bundles, the lens that comes with the camera is not likely to be as versatile as the built-in lens of a good 'pro-sumer' camera like the G3. Granted, DSLR lenses are probably much higher quality than the built-ins, but again, it's quality that you don't notice most of the time. So you will end up spending extra money for a wide-angle and a zoom lens, and these things are not cheap.

    I guess the moral to the story is, that unless you really know what you are doing, and know you want to explore that 5% of photography where the DSLR excels, you are better off with a good pro-sumer model.

  19. Re:Why DSLR might not be right for you by niglub · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point of a digital SLR is superior image quality and immediate response. There are two DSLR attributes that result in better image quality: sensor size and lens quality.

    CCD (or CMOS) sensors in current DSLR's are at least three times larger than the largest sensor currently found in most point and shoots. The bottom line on a larger sensor is that, for the same number of pixels, you get much better sensitivity to light. This translates into lower noise. The practical application of this is that you can set a DSLR's light sensitivity to something like ISO 400 and have less noise in your image than if you set a Point and Shoot's sensitivity to ISO 100. A larger sensor set to the same sensitivity will give you fewer artifacts than a smaller sensor.

    The second attribute, lens quality, isn't as absolute. But in general, a manufacturer's [D]SLR lens has excellent optical properties. They are not as compromised by form-factor or packaging considerations. Many point and shoot cameras have optics that exhibit exposure falloff in the corners or suffer from various optical and/or chromatic problems such as flare and color fringing. This is not true of all point and shoot cameras, digital or otherwise, but you can't use price as a determining factor. The $250 point and shoot I currently own has a much better lens than the $500 point and shoot I purchased originally.

    This link: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/2dig.htm/ gives a much better summary of the two different types of camera than I can give. But, IMHO, if you're going to spend $800-1000 on a digital camera, you're far better off getting a DSLR than a point and shoot.

  20. what about burst and speed? by tdrury · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two parameters on digital cameras that are never mentioned:

    burst - the time from when you press the button to when the picture is actually taken, and
    speed - the time it takes to store the picture to the memory device

    I have not used many digital cameras, but the (low budget) ones I have used are terrible at both of these. I never seem to capture the fleeting smile of my kids because of the 250-500 ms burst delay and I have to wait 2 seconds or so (longer when the batteries are low) for the picture to save before I can try again.

    I'd rather use my 35mm SLR, but I love the instant-review and capacity of a digital.

  21. digital SLR - why?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Can someone explain this to me? The point of an SLR camera is that when you look through the viewfinder you see what the lens sees. But with a digital camera you have a screen on the back which shows the view through the lens anyway. So what is the point of all that extra complicated, expensive, heavy mechanism to give you something you already have?

    1. Re:digital SLR - why?? by pmc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a word - responsiveness.

      When you hit the shutter on a digital SLR you take the picture immediately. On a compact it takes about 0.5 seconds. This is because the sensor is only used taking a picture on an SLR. On a compact it is continually in use, so when you hit the shutter what actually happens is the the sensor the shutter is closed, the sensor reset electronically, and then the picture is taken.

      It is also completely impossible to focus manually with a compact camera. Then you get to depth of field preview, focus points, different metering modes.

      Then there is the interchangable lenses - everything from super-wides to super telephotos. The Canon EF(-S) range now goes from 10mm to 1200mm - add some extenders and you get a focal length range of (in compact camera terms), of 300X.

      The digital SLR lenses generally make much better use of light (i.e. they have bigger apertures). This is turn allows more flexibility when shooting.

      But horses for courses - if you just want snaps then a compact is the camera to buy. Digital SLRs aren't any better or worse - just a different tool for a different job.

  22. Re:Yay by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...for pointless use of Flash. :-(

    Maybe it wasn't pointless. For example, you generally can't use copy-and-paste to copy part of the text to another window. This is done for a couple of reasons. The obvious one is copyright protection, since it makes exact copying difficult. But a more important use is to interfere with criticism, which often requires copying significant chunks of text to explain what's being criticised.

    For example, consider the following paragraph (which I've laboriously retyped:

    Your eye has a lot of depth of field.
    Everything you see is sharp and in
    focus. The laws of physics make it
    impossible for a camera to do this.


    I'd originally intended to comment on this, and the comment could well go here. This paragraph is rather discrediting to any reader who knows any physics at all. Your eye and your camera are subject to exactly the same laws of physics, and photons don't change their behavior for either one. Fact is, your eye doesn't have an infinite depth of field; it just has a very fast "autofocus". And it's difficult for most humans to look at something without automatically focusing on the subject of interest. The only real difference with a camera is that the picture preserves the focus from when the picture was taken, so you can look at the out-of-focus portions easily. It takes training (that most people don't have) to do the same with your eyes.

    Anyway, I'd consider this paragraph a "howler" that instantly discredits the rest of the text. I'd suggest that it be rewritten in some way that's not blatantly incorrect (to someone with a bit of knowledge of optics).

    It even gets worse in the next paragraph, which starts "A digital SLR has a shallow depth of field, ...". Um, no; it's the lense, primarily the iris opening (f-stop) that gives the depth of field. The camera itself doesn't have a depth of field. With an SLR, this isn't trivial. One of the important features of such cameras is interchangable lenses. This article is comparing SLRs with "Standard" cameras, so it's important to distinguish camera properties from lens properties.

    OK, so this was aimed at the PHB, not anyone with even a minimum of knowledge of optics. So I'm pissed for having my time wasted like this by an abstract that promises more than it delivers. I suppose I should have known the second I saw the white space and the flash, and hit the Back button. I'll go away now.
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  23. Re:Yay by adamjaskie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Would you rather have lines of text that go all the way across your 1600x1200 monitor? I make my web site scale up to a point, but when you start getting past a certian width of text, it becomes hard to read. That is why I limit the width of text to 30em. That ends up with about 12-14 words per line, which is much more comfortable to read than 50 or 60 words per line that you would see if I let it "take advantage" of your 1600x1200 display.

    There is nothing wrong with using print design on a web page. You do not have to design for a fixed-size box to use print design on the web. You can quite easily make that "fixed size box" be a "fixed proportion box" and scale up or down to whatever size the user is displaying it at. The key is to make it so it is still comfortable to read at high or low resolutions, or anything in between.

    I would not shove my site into a fixed-sized box in the middle of your screen, I would make it take up whatever amount of space it needs to have a comfortable 12-14 words per line, in a font that is a reasonable size for you to read, without looking huge.

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