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Game Industry Bigger Than Hollywood

Ant writes "This SF Gate story says stacks of new releases for hungry video game enthusiasts mean it's boom time for an industry now even bigger than Hollywood. The $10 billion video game industry, which generates more revenue than Hollywood, has never released so many highly anticipated blockbuster titles in a single season. It started in August with the game title Doom 3, followed by The Sims 2 in September, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas in October, then Halo 2, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and Half-Life 2 last month. In November, sales of video games rose to $849 million, an 11 percent increase from the same month last year and up 77 percent from October, according to the industry research firm NPD Funworld. The industry set a milestone last month when Microsoft's Halo 2 -- a sequel to a futuristic game with an elaborate plot that pits humans against invading aliens -- surpassed Hollywood's opening-weekend movie box office record in just one day of sales."

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  1. Apples and Oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People don't buy movie tickets months in advance for an opening weekend, so that's really not a fair comparison. This also doesn't take into account Hollywood's DVD sales which are quite impressive.

    1. Re:Apples and Oranges by Socrates+Demise · · Score: 3, Funny

      no kids/packet rustling/general annoyances

      I just imagned someone in a cowboy hat stealing network traffic.

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  2. Bleh by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I know I speak for many here when I say that while I'm glad that the creators of my favorite games are making money, I'm dying inside when I think of what this ultimately means for the future of the games industry.

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    1. Re:Bleh by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent up, please.

      The problem is that when a new entertainment market starts creating serious money it becomes bastardized. Happened to music, happened to TV, happened to movies and rest assured, it will happen to games.

      Hell, you could argue that it has already happened. A sign? All of the games in the list are sequels; which almost guarantees a base of sales. Some of them are good, some of them aren't, but there's hardly anything new or fresh offered in games nowadays; since seen genres with newer graphics are easy to sell we still see FPS, MMORPGs, GTA (which WAS fun, but i don't want to play the same game for the third time), sport simulations and so. Publishers simply go for the quick buck. I died a bit when Lucasarts canned the sequels for Sam & Max and Full Throttle to concentrate on Star Wars licences.

      The only innovative thing i've seen from a major games publisher was Nintendo with it's DS; i haven't tried one yet but it looks good on paper and the touch screen and onboard WiFi are potentially great gaming aids. That could be a gateway to some interesting games, which knowing Nintendo, won't be too far away.

    2. Re:Bleh by MilenCent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hell, you could argue that it has already happened. A sign? All of the games in the list are sequels; which almost guarantees a base of sales. Some of them are good, some of them aren't, but there's hardly anything new or fresh offered in games nowadays; since seen genres with newer graphics are easy to sell we still see FPS, MMORPGs, GTA (which WAS fun, but i don't want to play the same game for the third time), sport simulations and so. Publishers simply go for the quick buck.

      Well some of us have been saying this for years. If the game industry were, overall, as creative as they were back in the golden age, you can be there'd be a lot fewer Nintendo fanatics, myself included, these days.

      But even my admiration for Nintendo has limits. Do you know what the most original company ever to produce video games was? The (in my opinion) answer may not be what you expect.

      It was Atari Games, an entity that, in my mind, encompasses their early arcade output pre-split-up, and their later, post-split arcade games. So many of their hits were created out of whole braincloth, because there was absolutely nothing like them before. Atari was the most original not just because they were first, but because even as late as the early 90s they were still making incredibly different, fun games. Midway Arcade Treasures (1) has a good handful of them, including Rampart, which I've already bored far too many people discussing, some of them here.

      But we can all see where that got them. They made Toobin', KLAX, Gauntlet, Marble Madness and (whimper!) Rampart, but gamers, more and more, became drawn to things like Street Fighter 2, a game that was admittedly well-designed, but inspired way, way too many sequels and knock-offs. It's not like Nintendo's sequels, where they'll throw out all but the core concepts and design a new game around them (example: Yoshi's Island is a direct sequel to Super Mario World!), but more like the same game, with new characters and modestly different rules.

      Fighting games, depending on who you ask, are what saved or ruined arcades. My money's on "ruined." This is something of a digression, but it's worth noting that the fighting game boom was one of the contributing factors to the atmosphere of genrefication that are both what's enabled video and computer gaming to become big business, and what's sapped so much of the creativity out of the field.

    3. Re:Bleh by Lightwarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > I exaggerated a bit...

      A bit? I hate to break it to you, but there was *nothing* groundbreaking about FarCry. It was your standard Soldier of Fortune 2-esque FPS knockoff. The story was your typical "nazi scientist" drivel, the main character was, again, your typical no-nonsense hardcore spec-ops/government agent, the weapons were exceedingly average and typical, and finally, the much lauded AI was seriously wanting.

      I played the game without reading the hype. I didn't experience anything special from the AI, so I started it up again on ultraextrahard (or whatever), and wandered around for a bit. As expected, the "tactic" of sniping one guy off and then gunning down his buddies worked flawlessly. Hell, after shooting one guy right next to a friend of his, his friend crept cautiously forward - no diving for cover, no wigging out and running, no going for reinforcements.

      From my experiences, FarCry gets the award for "Most Overrated Game" this year. Sure, it was a decent FPS... but that was it. Doom 3, for all its linearity, at least had *suspense*.

      And, simply put, you're either blind or running these games on a machine that an Xbox would put to shame. FarCry has "stunning" graphics while Half-Life 2's are "ordinary"? I'd suggest a trip to the optometrist or psychiatrist.

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  3. All sequels by RedWizzard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It started in August with the game title Doom 3, followed by The Sims 2 in September, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas in October, then Halo 2, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and Half-Life 2 last month.
    Every one of these "blockbuster" titles are sequels. Is anyone doing anything new and exciting?
    1. Re:All sequels by thenextpresident · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. Releasing sequels that are actually as good, or better, than the originals.

      Something Hollywood finds next to impossible.

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    2. Re:All sequels by Khuffie · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What's wrong with sequels? There's a difference between sequels churned out every year (ala EA), and sequels that really added some new cool things. Doom 2 was released years ago. So was the original Half-Life. Halo 2's been in the making for over 2 years. The original Sims been out for a while. The only games in that list that didn't fundementally change the gameplay were GTA:SA and MP2. In fact, all of those games, sequels or not, were in fact friggin' good games.

      There's a difference between good sequels, and shoddy sequels which were just designed as quick cash machines. The Splinter Cell series and the latest Prince of Persia game are both guilty as charged, and basically any EA sports game.

    3. Re:All sequels by T-Ranger · · Score: 4, Funny

      I saw it last Monday. Im still waiting for something to happen.

    4. Re:All sequels by timster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm tired of people saying this, because there is a fundamental difference between a movie sequel and a video game "sequel".

      The thing with a movie is that the experience is always the same. You sit, and the movie goes for a while. Innovation in movies has to come in the form of new plot ideas and new characters and so forth. So sequels in movies are not usually very much appreciated because in many ways we have seen the movie already.

      Video games provide a much more diverse range of experiences. "The Sims 2", for instance, will not be "The Sims" again. It could in many ways be a completely different game, and you can bet there will be new things for a player to learn. They could call it something completely different -- the fact that they re-use a well-known brand doesn't mean that they are making the same game again. There's no new plot or characters simply because there wasn't any plot or characters in the first place.

      If you want an example of a Hollywood-style sequel in the video game world, consider the ".hack" series. All four games are basically the same, it's just a somewhat long game that is really expensive.

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  4. Gaming Industry Rise by Fruvous · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it that suprising? A video game can offer so much more than an hour and a half movie. Not only that but the "sequal factor" really starts piling up. Look ever single game up there has been a sequal.

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  5. Ahem... by googleaseerch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about UT2004. I'm sorry, that was a blockbuster game too, if anything is.

  6. Oooh, so piracy DOESN'T hurt sales.. by DroopyStonx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's what I thought...

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    1. Re:Oooh, so piracy DOESN'T hurt sales.. by oGMo · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, clearly, gamers are pirates, stealing money from the pockets and food from the plates of Hollywood executives!!

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  7. Re:Contrinutions by iocat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not enough... The game industry is bigger than Hollywood, if you only count US boxoffice receipts. But these "game industry is bigger than Hollywood" claims always leave out the rental and DVD sales market.

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  8. A new form of entertainment taking over by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The rich, detailed, immersive settings for what used to be entirely passive entertainment can now, with the current technology, be used for interactive entertainment.

    All those wonderful spy-drama, fantasy, and sci-fi worlds that used to be the exclusive domain of movies? Now their realism is being delivered to you in a way that you can actually be in - if you're open to the experience.

  9. Pitty the partners by ricewind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somewhere, EA_Spouse is crying.

  10. Recurring revenue, too... by arashiakari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MMORPG games such as World of Warcraft get a hit of cash up front and then involve monthly revenue. Hollywood has nothing like that.

    Most games cost between $30 and $50, no-matter what platform you're buying for. How much is a movie ticket? $8 to $10 for tickets or $20 to $30 for DVDs. How much do games cost to make vs. the revenue they bring in?

  11. Re:Contrinutions by caspper69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very true, and I was thinking the same thing when I read the blurb. Further, they don't include sales of DVD players themselves either, whereas the games industry most certainly includes the hardware sales dollars from dedicated consoles. Then you can also talk about international distribution and other market's native films, etc., etc.. Hollywood (and television in general) still makes many, many times what the videogame industry does.

  12. 1999 called... by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 5, Funny
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  13. In Other news... by muntumbomoklik · · Score: 5, Funny

    the MPAA and RIAA decide to sue game companies, citinglost revenue.

  14. Piracy comparisons? by Tzarius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't it seem odd that an industry that would take more losses from piracy (i.e. a much higher percentage of users that already have the means and ability to pirate the products, and where the individual products are priced higher, providing further incentive for piracy) is making more money than the film industry, which should have a much larger customer base?

    Or is it that the barrier-to-piracy on movies is a lot lower?

  15. Not quite by Smerity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As I heard at the AEAF (Australian Effects and Animation Festival), games sales may be higher, but the rights for Hollywood are much more flexible, for example.

    Mainly, Hollywood can release a movie, get box office, sell the DVD, license the movie to networks, and sell other rights (for a TV show based on it, sequels), while a game sells and if it doesn't sell well, it's dead in the water

  16. Re:Not so fast, geekboys by civman2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A family of five goes to see Spider-Man 2. A family of five buys Spider-Man 2 for the [insert favorite platform here] Where is that division again?

  17. Re:I still have games that I have not played... by KingAdrock · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm curious. In NHL 2005 do you just sit there and watch an empty ice surface?

  18. Book Industry: $23.4 Billion in 2003 by meehawl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Book Industry garnered $23.4 billion in 2003 - and that was a flat recession year. When video games pass books in dollar volume, then we will know the end of civilisation is at hand.

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    1. Re:Book Industry: $23.4 Billion in 2003 by CaptainPinko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it already has come. how much of those book sales were educated or artistically signifant? I bet the majority of them were pulp. In the words of Harvey Danger "The cretins are cloning breeding"... and apparently they are addicted to twitch-style video games.

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    2. Re:Book Industry: $23.4 Billion in 2003 by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Funny

      But how many of those books were game guides and walkthroughs?

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  19. Re:Another leveling factor by System.out.println() · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lots of people go to see movies they like multiple times. But how many people buy multiple copies of a game they like?

    While we're on the subject, how many people buy ONE copy of a game they like? ;-)

  20. Re:Contrinutions by fireman+sam · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Imagine how much the porn industry is worth...."

    About $300+ per hour, it just depends on what you want them to do

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  21. Nah. It's not bigger. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    Not even close. Hollywood films alone account for about $63 billion.

    By comparison, IBM has revenues of about $80 billion per year.

  22. The Smaller Screen by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    What exactly is this "Hollywood" that Matthew Yi claims is smaller than the $10B "Game Industry" in TFA? Maybe it doesn't include the $14B US ($32B global) record industry: a business run out of LA, mostly, and NYC, even if it's 80% owned in Tokyo/Sony, Berlin/BMG and Paris/Vivendi-Universal. Is it just movies (not TV, either)? The actual scale of "filmed entertainment" revenue (not including music videos, part of the "recorded music" industry) was $75.3B globally, before the predicted 7.5% growth rate for 2004 (ie. $81B). Porn movies and website subscriptions alone have a global revenue of $8-10B. Maybe video games are bigger than Hollywood the same way that John Lennon was bigger than Jesus.

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  23. Ignore This by SJS · · Score: 3, Funny

    Arg.

    Ignore this post.

    Moderating. Using pageup/pagedown to move. Didn't realize that this was also changing the settings from something positive (insightful/interesting/funny) to negative (overrated/etc.)

    So, a post. This will, as I understand it, undo those moderations I have made. Oh, well. Better none than a false down. Hope this works.

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  24. poor programmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With so much money changing hands in the game industry, why is it that the programmers who actually MAKE the games have to accept far-below-industry-standard pay and have to work in excess of 50 hours a week standard (more in crunch time, of course, which is most of the time)?

    Not that this is much different from the music industry, where most of the artists that actually produce the music wind up hopelessly in debt and without ownership of their own work.

    Or the book authorship industry, where it is just understood that nobody can earn a living as an author, even if their books sell well nationwide.

    Or the farming industry...where the concept of a "family farm" is a quaint oddity...and the majority of farmers are little more than slave labor...

    I could go on...

    There is a very, very disturbing trend that has been at work since the 1940's or so...with the demise of the small business, those who actually produce anything of value get paid just enough to live on (or less), while someone who contributes nothing to the process rakes it in.

    This is NOT a free market. :|

    1. Re:poor programmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The poor programmers could always band together and form their own gaming company.

      Sure, and a few engineers can always start their own car company. I wish them luck against the entrenched power of Detroit.

      The original poster's point is that we are living in a second Gilded Age, a second age of robber barons. This age will end eventually, but the serfs will have to suffer a bit more before they start rebelling.

  25. Not just Apples and Oranges, just plain wrong! by PenguinOpus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Movies gross more than Games... always have, maybe always will. The stupid comparison made here is one that the game industry loves to make when trying to get mindshare... Compare movie box office versus game software/hardware sales.

    If you include DVD/media sales of movies, movies win. If you don't include console hardware sales, movies win.

    The movie industry (worldwide) grosses $180B. US movie industry grosses 63B. Box office only accounts for 26% of revenue.

    reference: http://www.factbook.net/wbglobal_rev.htm

  26. Manny the Fat Stuntman says "Don't do it" by gelfling · · Score: 3, Funny

    The MPAA announced today that because fewer and fewer people actually watch their shitty movies, they've decided to sue people for doing anything else.