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First 3 Generation-Compatible HD DVD Drive

fenimor writes "NEC has developed world's first half height size optical drive capable of playing back HD DVDs, DVDs, and CDs with a single optical head. Although the lasers required to read each type of disk vary, NEC said it had successfully created a miniature drive with a single lens that could read all three. The drive was designed for laptop computers and will be released commercially later next year."

70 comments

  1. Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's reassuring to see that manufacturers are not trying to ditch CD formats in any way with the newer formats that come out. I always figured that if any medium uses a simular technique for reading/writing as another medium, then the two mediums should support each other. I was afraid that as time goes on, manufacturers would try to ditch CD mediums to try to get people to upgrade. Maybe that will still happen. Hopefully it won't.

    1. Re:Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by Laurentiu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you want to have a prayer of success on the "home user" market, you must be able to read CDs. Even for the simple fact that most of the music on the planet is (still) sold on a CD support. So I don't think you need to worry. Yet ;)

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    2. Re:Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by suso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but the record player was still in heavy use when they decided to heavily push CDs. I'm sure there were a lot of people back in the 80s who were thinking the same way that you are (ie. if a record company wants to make money, they need to release everything on LP).

    3. Re:Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by Blender · · Score: 1

      But the record player and the cd player don't use similar techniques whereas the DVD/CD/HDDVD do use similar techniques and media (i.e. a CD fits in a DVD drive and vice versa)

    4. Re:Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it is a different case because the size of media and media type wasn't remotely compatible back then.

      While existing CD players probably won't die quickly, DVD and CD compatibility for a next generation format was known to be a must by pretty much all manufacturers. I think previous system prototypes used multiple optical assemblies to achieve the desired compatibility.

      The market is highly steeped toward backward compatibility now, systems that aren't backward compatible don't have a chance.

    5. Re:Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by Stephen+R+Hall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There was previous backward compatibility in the record market - the original 78rpm 10 inch record was replaced by the 45rpm 7 inch and the 33rpm 12 inch, but newer players would still play the old 78s. It was only when there was a huge leap in technology that backwards compatibility was broken.

    6. Re:Manufacturers may not dump CDs. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      The market is highly steeped toward backward compatibility now, systems that aren't backward compatible don't have a chance.

      I think I would rephrase that.

      People would be willing to ditch backwards compatibility, just not every 5 years, as Blu-Ray/HD-DVD seem to be going for.

      DVDs were a hit, despite lack of backwards compatibility because it had been a long time comming. People are willing to accept the need to upgrade after a few decades, but definately not after 5-10 years, as is the case right now.
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  2. Wow... by andawyr · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...three adverts in a row.

    Record?

    1. Re:Wow... by suso · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt it. Most of what slashdot carries are stories to let the tech-savy population know what is going on in the industry. It has always been that way. And when carrying stories about new technologies, the articles that are more marketing hype tend to slip in there more often than not. So I doubt its a record. There has probably been whole days where /. has been nothing but marketing hype.
      No offense to slashdot, thats just the way it goes.

    2. Re:Wow... by Prowl · · Score: 2, Funny

      heh. the leading ">" gave away the cut-and-paste.

      on the plus side my grandmother's now getting a cd burner for xmas, whilst my grandad will receive a water kooling kit.

      shame they haven't a computer. I'm just too susceptible to subliminable advertising.

      (apolergies in advanse for speling)

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  3. Doesn't Look Laptop Size by Game_Ender · · Score: 1

    That looks like a drive that is way too big to fit in a laptop.

    1. Re:Doesn't Look Laptop Size by thegoogler · · Score: 1

      You would be suprised, i have an old laptop.. and its DVD drive looked like there was no way it could physically fit in there untill you actually installed it.

    2. Re:Doesn't Look Laptop Size by adeydas · · Score: 1

      may be its a super jumbo-sized laptop... its not the CD's that they are trying to replace, its the laptops... ;)

  4. Looks like a desktop drive by maharg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. smells like a desktop drive..

    laptop ??

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    1. Re:Looks like a desktop drive by schovanec · · Score: 2, Informative
      Exactly. Whoever wrote the summary has no clue what they are talking about. Even the article does not agree with them:
      Half height size capable of installation in desktop PCs.
      In the dark ages, a "half height" drive referred to the size that essentially all 5.25" devices are today. Back then, a "full height" device was the size of 2 common 5.25" drives stacked on top of each other. Does anybody even make any full-height drives anymore?
    2. Re:Looks like a desktop drive by dan+the+person · · Score: 1

      from the article intro:

      enabling creation of the world's first half height size drive suitable for desktop computer installation.

      and

      Half height size capable of installation in desktop PCs.
      - Realization of the completed prototype by integration of all the functions compactly including the 3-generation compatible optical head.
      - Reduction of the size to meet those of the average current DVD/CD compatible drives through the development of a compact circuit board utilizing 3-generation-compatible system LSI.


      something smells that's for sure

    3. Re:Looks like a desktop drive by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      "Does anybody even make any full-height drives anymore?"

      I don't think so, though I wish they would. If I can get 400GB in a 3.5 inch 1/3 height drive, immagine what I could get in a 5.25 inch FH drive?

      Of course, 5 standard 1/3H drives fit in the same physical space as an old FH drive, so maybe I should go with 1.2TB and a parity drive instead.
      -nB

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    4. Re:Looks like a desktop drive by shippo · · Score: 1

      Some of the high capacity tape backup devices are packaged in full height enclosures. I've not seen any such disk drives for many years. In fact it's a long time since I've seen any half-height hard disk drives in 5 1/4 inch enclosures.

    5. Re:Looks like a desktop drive by Puggs · · Score: 1

      yes, but for tape drives instead of cds...

    6. Re:Looks like a desktop drive by TheLink · · Score: 1

      More drives usually = faster.

      Access to terabytes of data can be more a curse than a blessing if the access is slow.

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  5. Press releases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last 3 items are just press releases. Can we get some news?

    1. Re:Press releases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Maybe there isn't any?

      Go find something productive to do rather than refreshing Slashdot every 30 seconds.

  6. Blu-ray by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if Blu-ray will be killed before the battle can even begin? I suspect that might be the case at least for HD movies since the bandwagon will start as HD DVD players are out for consumers, which will probably be a while before Blu-ray enters the market.

    Maybe the cost for Blu-ray drives due to higher complexity, combined with the later availability will make it so we don't even see much of a trace of commercial Blu-ray drives at all.

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    1. Re:Blu-ray by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firstly, this is just a press release and the announced arrival is very similar to the announced arrival of blu ray devices in the North American market.

      Furthermore, blu ray devices are available right now in Japan, and have been for a bit.

    2. Re:Blu-ray by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The PS3 is going to use Blu-ray for its games, so I'd strongly assume that it'll also play Blu-ray movies but not HD-DVDs. Bear in mind the fact that ~70%* of households with 13-25 year olds have a PS2 and will probably upgrade to a PS3 within a year of release (hell, if it's anything like the PSP it'll bring in more sales than that with 'wow' factor alone - I hate to say it about a DRM encrusted and hideously expensive console, but the PSP is a damn good piece of kit).

      You're going to have a huge number of people with a Blu-ray device in their house almost by default wheras HD-DVD, even with the best marketing in the world, requires the person to actually go out and buy a HD-DVD device on its own merits. I honestly don't know which way this will swing - it seems to me that HD-DVD has better marketing potential and more powerful backing, but Blu-ray might just worm its way in unnoticed on the back of the PS3.

      *Statistic from the consortium for inventing plausible statistics

    3. Re:Blu-ray by PaleGreen · · Score: 1

      XBOX2 will almost certainly include an HD-DVD drive & it'll be out way before PS3. That may give HD-DVD even more momentum.

    4. Re:Blu-ray by nutshell42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't be so sure. Microsoft's trying to cap the per-unit costs. Unless there is real demand for HD-DVD players by mid 2005 I assume the HD-DVD drive will have to go. With wmv it isn't really needed for cutscenes so its only raison-d'etre would be selling more consoles

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    5. Re:Blu-ray by badmammajamma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Blue ray has broader industry support than HD DVD (including media giant Sony). If anything is going to die, it's HD DVD.

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    6. Re:Blu-ray by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Hmm, but don't underestimate the influence of a product already gaining a fair marketshare before consumers can even purchase cheap Blu-ray drives. I can imagine numerous customers (too many?) going, what, just another year / half a year and we're switching again?! No way.

      But we'll see how it turns out. Right now I think both formats has been gaining pretty similar attention. Yes, Sony is a media giant, but I can assure you there are numerous giants prepared to back up HD-DVD as well, especially in the media business. Universal, Paramount, Waner Bros, New Line Cinema...

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    7. Re:Blu-ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've continually heard peopel say blu-ray is better than HD-DVD. Can anyone enlighten me as to why this is?

    8. Re:Blu-ray by Khaotix · · Score: 1

      Blu Ray specs offer 25gb per layer with a max of 8 layers.

      By 2007 there is supposed to be a commercial 4 layer disc.

      Sony owns MGM among other movie houses as well as the Sony label itself. Other players include Panasonic, JVC, Hitachi, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, LG, Sharp, and Zenith.

      I vote Blu Ray.

    9. Re:Blu-ray by Khaotix · · Score: 1

      It's sad really ... HD-DVD is backed by a small # of tech companies and the MPAA (I smell payoffs) whereas Blu Ray is backed by a large group of electronics manufacturers.

    10. Re:Blu-ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so its only raison-d'etre would be selling more consoles

      Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't wanna do THAT!

    11. Re:Blu-ray by IncohereD · · Score: 1

      ...so its only raison-d'etre would be selling more consoles

      Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't wanna do THAT!

      Don't forget that for a long time (still?) MS sold the consoles below cost - the classic make money on the games model (or even lose money on the console and the games, make money on crushing all opposition).

      I even remember reading articles back in the day about Sony being concerned about people buying PS2s just as cheap DVD players (and maybe for one game, like FF X), since they were losing money on them and needed game sales to profit.

  7. Oh boy. by The-Bus · · Score: 1, Funny

    I spent this past weekend with the SO's family. On Sunday we were at a family holiday party around Massapequa in NY and a completely untechnical conversation started on how my SO's dad got his old Super 8 films converted to DVD. Let me tell you it would make even the bluest-shirted 16-yr old Best Buy employee cringe. Mind you, most of the audience was 50 or older. But they were saying things like "You know, they have DVDs that play CDs now."

    Grandma was asked if she had a DVD player and she said yes, she thought she did. When she was asked if she could watch movies on it, she said no, that's what the tape player is for. "I have the one that plays, what, it plays the records." And she made a spinning motion with her fingers.

    Luckily I was able to find the football game but others weren't so lucky.

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    1. Re:Oh boy. by spac3manspiff · · Score: 0

      In other news:
      Judge sympathises with girl who plotted to kill her grandma.
      http://www.123bharath.com/india-news/index.php?act ion=fullnews&id=44980

    2. Re:Oh boy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does that remind me of the Cup Holder CD ROM drive joke?

  8. Half-height? by adolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Half-height? Bah. I think that's more properly dubbed a "laptop drive."

    Half-height drives, rather, are of course about half the height of a full-height drive. See here.

    HTH.

    1. Re:Half-height? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The submitter got it wrong and needs to actually RTFA.

      It is a half-height drive, ie. the same size as most current CD or DVD drives.

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  9. blueray? by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

    with a single optical head.
    Now it would be even cooler if it would support blue ray too with a single optical head.

  10. Poster didn't read the first paragraph... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    NEC Corporation today announced that it has completed the development of technology capable of playing back HD DVDs, DVDs, and CDs with a single optical head, enabling creation of the world's first half height size drive suitable for desktop computer installation.


    Lame.
  11. Desktop drive by BSDKaffee · · Score: 0, Redundant

    RTFA!! This is a DESKTOP drive!

  12. multi-format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it still won't read those new copy-protected CDs.

  13. Good... by Faust7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So when it turns out that most consumers couldn't care less about either of the new formats, having everything they need with regular DVD, that new player won't suddenly become useless.

    1. Re:Good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, which country are you from, you obviously don't have HDTV? Once you get it you won't turn back. Current DVD's look so bad on HDTV compared to HD broadcasts. I for one have been waiting for HD-DVD or Blu-ray for over a year.

      Some of the older DVD's weren't even anamorphic, and used a very poor transfer process, I'm already giving those DVD's away as they're not worth watching anymore.

  14. what's in my laptop now then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so wait, if "half-height" single head is what was needed for laptops, what's in my laptop right now that is reading/writing dvd-r's/cd-r's ?

    Or is this for the ultra small laptops like the thinkpad-x ?

  15. All depends... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    ...on how large the HDTV market is (which is directly linked to what premium they charge over DVDs). Blue-Ray has larger capacity and the quality edge. If the market is videophiles, price might not matter as much as having the best quality(tm) available.

    How many in the US have a HDTV-capable (720p/1080i) TV set now? How many will stay with DVD? There's many open questions here, and I think it is far too early to claim a win for either side.

    Kjella

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  16. Julian Fries? by Zanthany · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Seems like this post also comes from the kan't-spel-to-gud-dept.

    Juliennes fries. Sheesh.

  17. See-n-say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    (pulling string sound)
    The article says "This drive, though called half-height, is for desktop machines."

    (pulling string sound)
    The article says "I'm not saying whether or not it is for laptops, or explain what half-height means. That would be too helpful."

    (pulling string sound)
    The article says "I am saying that HD, which it supports. is one of the blue laser optical-disc technologies."

    (pulling string sound)
    The article says "A B C D E F G. CD DVD HD DVD. LSI, ETM. PRML system. Ah, I'm too bored to finish the parody."

    (pulling string sound)
    The article says "This drive has three lasers: blue, red, and infrared. Don't tell any supervillains!"

    (pulling string sound)
    The article says "The HD DVD format has been only proposed, but the HD DVD-ROM and Rewritable formats have been approved."

    (pulling string sound)
    SNAP!

    1. Re:See-n-say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The target audience for the article already knows what a half-height drive is. The great unwashed masses of Slashdot are not the target audience.
      FYI, the 5.25" drives in most modern (circa 2004) desktop computer are all half-height drives. Computers from the era of the original IBM PC had 5.25" drives that were twice the height of modern 5.25" drives. Therefore, these were called full-height drives.

      Also, a double-density, double-sided 5.25" floppy diskette holds 360K.

      And we liked it!

  18. WTF? by Beefslaya · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just bought an F'n DVDR -+ Drive, my buddy just bought one that burns dual layer, (which by the way, 3 discs are 35 bucks) I'm sure they'll come out with one that will wash my car next year while it burns my favorite tunes, and does aromatherapy. Where did compact disc's go so friggin confusing? MAKE ME ONE DRIVE THAT DOES IT ALL FOR THE NEXT 3 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!! and quit making me feel obsolete every 5 minutes.

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You ponied up your $50 on technology available several years back and you think that you deserve some sort of technological stability to support your massive purchase?

      Get a grip dick.

    2. Re:WTF? by Beefslaya · · Score: 1

      NO. However, there seems to be some kind of marketing ploy going on here in DVD land. When I bought a CDRW drive, it didn't give a shit if I put in 8x or 24x or 52x discs. It just burned it. And when I put it in my CD player at work, home or car...it played, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. And whatever 50 dollar peice of shit you put in your PC, I'm sure buying that kind of junk justifies you speaking about any form of technology? FO

  19. Re:What's the point of backward compatibility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point is, backward compatibility, moron!

  20. No upgrade for a long time by tentimestwenty · · Score: 1

    Agreed. People are just in the process of buying their DVD collections and big screen TVs. You only spend $10,000 on entertainment upgrades every 10 years or so. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will languish for at least half that and by then we'll probably have a universal media format that beats them both.

  21. you know it's Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when the editor doesn't RTFA.

  22. RPC-1 capable? by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Most important question of all, can it be patched to RPC-1?

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  23. Wrong by bonch · · Score: 0

    Every once in a while, it seems someone posts saying how great DVDs are and how they're "everything we need." Maybe you enjoy your movies stuck at 8GB in size and in blurry resized 512 resolution, but I have a 1280 resolution monitor and would enjoy watching theater resolution movies compressed in the latest technologies (MPEG-4).

    If you've seen the T2 Extreme DVD with the HD version of the film, you know what you're missing. Short answer--TONS OF VISUAL DETAIL.

    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what, fool: Most people don't have that technology. They don't give a crap about watching their movies on a "1280 resolution monitor." They watch DVDs on their tube TVs, and that's good enough for them.

      Get some perspective.

    2. Re:Wrong by bonch · · Score: 0

      Guess what, fool: Most people don't have that technology. They don't give a crap about watching their movies in "digital resolution." They watch VHS tapes on their tube TVs, and that's good enough for them.

      Get some perspective.

      - Critics when DVDs came out.

      Guess what, fool: Most people don't have that technology. They don't give a crap about listening to their music in "digital resolution." They listen to cassette tapes in their tape decks, and that's good enough for them.

      Get some perspective.

      - Critics when CDs came out

      I guess the growing prevalence of high-resolution monitors and HD TVs means nothing to you. Let's just stick with blurry compressed 512 forever.

  24. Cost??? by CygnusXII · · Score: 1

    I am getting used to the modular type of PC, nowadays. I have moved all my devices to external USB 2.0 and Firewire cases. I find it easier to move them between machines throughout the house, and also when I am away performing some help for friends and family. I think what needs to be considered, is the cost. Is it going to be inline with the Normal Upgraded hardware cost? Usually we end up spending a couple of hundred, for the newest move to a standard, is this going to cost additionaly for the Combo feature, or will it simply reflect the new standard, with backwards compatibility, thrown in as a feature?

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  25. Bleh... by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

    NEC has developed world's first half height size optical drive capable of playing back HD DVDs, DVDs, and CDs with a single optical head

    I'm not buying it until it can also burn pictures on the label side of the disc.

  26. It can write too by Ween · · Score: 1

    NEC's new development realizes a small, slim HD DVD drive, which can read and write 3-generations of optical discs, HD DVDs, DVDs and CDs, with a single optical head.

    I think its great that we may get a writer at release without having to wait 6 months to a year for that technology.

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    1. Re:It can write too by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      I think its great that we may get a writer at release without having to wait 6 months to a year for that technology.

      Just be willing to pay through the nose for it. I'll wait a year. Or three.