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Gaming Does Good

bippy writes "Tired of hearing about all the bad things games do? I've mirrored a list on Kotaku of recent positive research done into gaming. All told, the list includes six studies and books summarized into bite-sized morsels with quotes and links. Finally, something to throw in the face of all those obnoxious politicians and sue-happy lawyers."

43 comments

  1. Forgive me for feeling a bit defeatist... by deemaunik · · Score: 3, Insightful
    At least it'll sate us. Although, I know that regardless of what we think, people will go on screaming about how Doom 3 makes children kill others, and feel unwholesome feelings. Not just, you know, entertainment. Like the episodes of CSI, or the Autopsy Revealed. They never listen, regardless of how much sense you make. These are people who say the Dinosaurs are "Tests to our Faith." They only hear what they want to hear.

    But thanks for throwing a punch for the rest of us. :)

    1. Re:Forgive me for feeling a bit defeatist... by rhakka · · Score: 1

      They'll give up man. Don't hear a lot about the evils of heavy metal or Dungeons and Dragons anymore, do you? Yet when I was a kid these were headlines over and over and over again.

      Sooner or later the indefensibility of their stance will become so apparent that they will lose all credibility with moderates. And most people are moderates.

    2. Re:Forgive me for feeling a bit defeatist... by Delphiki · · Score: 1

      You don't hear much at all about heavy metal or Dungeons and Dragons anymore, do you? Huh, think that might be why you don't hear about the evils of them anymore?

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    3. Re:Forgive me for feeling a bit defeatist... by rhakka · · Score: 1

      I don't know what rock you live under, but metal and its derivatives have been big consistently for the last twenty years, and Dungeons and Dragons is bigger than it ever was in the eighties.

      Huh, think you might just not be paying attention?

      This kind of backlash only happens to "new" things. Over time people see that wow, most of the time people who play D and D don't kill people, and they realize there is no problem. Not the fanatics, but the moderates stop listening to the fanatics. If you came out today trying to insinuate D and D made kids crazy, with the number of people who have grown up playing it now, you plain couldn't be taken seriously.

      The same thing will happen here.

  2. Deaf ears by Richie1984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was a recent report on British TV where two well known presenters did a short segment on the 'evil' Grand Theft Auto. They talked about the negative aspects of the game, such as gang killings etc. What amazed me was the complete lack of any representative view of a gamer's opinion. The majority of people seem to be happily under the illusion that all video games are just cartoony and kid friendly, so when they purchase a game with an '18' rating slapped on the front, they feel justified in acting surprised and horrified when they find their child playing it.

    People should be educated that games are similar to any other modern medium, in that there will be some universal content, and some content for adults. Whilst these articles can go some way to confirming gamer's feelings that games aren't inherently 'evil', they will fall on deaf ears with the general public who will undoubtably find it easier to label all games with the same brush, instead of looking at the actual issue. That said, perhaps the fact that a large body such as the American Medical Association has expressed doubt as to whether violent content causes violent behaviour may gain some mainstream recognition.

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    1. Re:Deaf ears by CC+Ricers · · Score: 1

      The creators of GTA, and many other supporters, are quick to note that critics of such games tend to only watch people play the game, as opposed to also trying out the game themselves. I've read many statements starting with "I don't play these videogames but..." which voids any claim they have to make about them.

      Videogames are controlled environments where people can cut loose and do whatever they want so they don't have to face the risks in real life. Seeing a majority of our past generation denounce violent video games is in some ways similar to how 15th century clerics hated the printing press for its ease in reproducing information. They thought it would cause widespread overstimulation and upheaval in society. Looks like today's critics have to learn from this example.

  3. Also helpful to surgeons by supersuckers · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Wired recently posted an article about the benefits of video gaming for surgeons.
    Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27 percent faster, he says, basing his observation on results of tests using the video game Super Monkey Ball.
    1. Re:Also helpful to surgeons by justforaday · · Score: 2, Funny

      But that's only because they're tired of killing monkeys.

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  4. Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by PoderOmega · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Growing up my parents had some moderately strict rules on playing video games, but the TV rules were not nearly as strict. I still see this idea today... people will kind of snicker if I mention I play video games more than watch TV. Am I taking crazy pills or what?! At least I am doing something (moving my hands, THINKING) instead of just being shoveled what is on the TV.

    1. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by djsmiley · · Score: 1

      i know theres loads of people who like to "boast" they dont watch tv, but i wont take this attitude.

      To be honest i watch about... 8hours/week, this is due to times when im stuck at my girlfriends house, and she and her whole family are watching soaps, and i cannot be arsed to go and play on the computer and be "unsociable". (not that im ever told this is what im doing, but you know).

      So i end up watching pointless, stupid television which really DOES make me want to do something else. I guess this is a good thing?

      I mean, i watch tv some times, there is some kool shows on sometimes late at night, or maybe when im bored ill watch a quiz show or something, but i really can't grasp the soaps, and reality tv thing. Only reason i can see why it attracts people, is that their own lives are so BORING!. I guess they must find joy someway, and this is watching people do things, instead of actually doing them, themselfs.

      People then bring up the view that i watch stuff that appears on TV, on my computer. Well in fact i watch very few tv programs on my computer, and the ones i do are normally screened stupidly late at night, or not screened at all, so the only way i could view them was via computer. Also i watch some films but i get to choose what i want (Plus no news breaks).

      Am i psycho? Nope, i think im selective and i tend to make sure i watch what i want, when i want, as apposed to watching something to replace having to do real life.

      Final point, TV never strifes to be realistic, it doesn't need to, People would be bored stupid if the stuff that happened in Soaps was anywhere near as boring as real life can be. However, computer games must strife to be realistic, this is part of the point they are brought. So if some stupid idiot ended up thinking a game is real, hasn't it acchived its objective?

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    2. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by Diomedes+Tydeus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and as long as you're not playing an EA game, there are fewer commercials as well!
      -Diomedes

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    3. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by djsmiley · · Score: 1

      Oh and by the way, im from the UK if any of you are wondering. And we only have 5 normal channels, we can get others but normally has cost associated.

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    4. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on brother! For some reason there is a social stigma attached to playing games. After work I will usually catch an episode of The Simpsons or Seinfeld and then it's back to commanding troops in Operation Flashpoint or shooting toilets at each people in Half-Life 2. I despise the garbage that they pass off as primetime television now. Maybe when I was younger Ethnic Sitcom #375 was funny but after the 50th rehash of the "Lets help the homeless this week!" or "I might be pregnant so it's time for a clip show!" it's gotten a tad predictable. Oh yeah, reality tv sucks too.

    5. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by UWC · · Score: 1

      The standard US broadcast availability in most regions is ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS (public broadcasting), and FOX. Some markets (mine included) also get UPN, WB, and/or PAX. The regional affiliates of the national networks air the shows provided by their national affiliations, but a fair amount of the schedule is determined by the local broadcasters. ABC, NBC, and CBS affiliates tend to broadcast locally produced news shows several times a day, and FOX affiliates have fairly recently begun to have nightly locally produced news. The remaining free time is generally filled with packages of syndicated shows, generally either cheesy action shows or reruns of sitcoms, and sometimes movies from the 80s and now 90s.

      Most people who watch much TV, though, tend to pay extra to get cable or satellite service, not only for increased, nationally standard channel variety, but also for better reception. Most of those services do bundle in all the local broadcasters, too, and I know at least cable channels insert region-specific (and sometimes even town-specific) commercials.

      Out of curiosity, do the 5 major networks in the UK air the same stuff all over the UK, or is there some regional programming in time slots that aren't network-mandated? I know it's probably a stupid question, but I wasn't sure if the networks there took advantage of the smaller land mass to exert more control over programming schedules or not.

    6. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by djsmiley · · Score: 1

      There is some regional stuff, such as news.

      Also in wales (and i guess scotland and Ireland) there is shows which have the countrys language as apposed to english. (i.e. welsh, irish, scotish).

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    7. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words: Stargate SG-1

      OK, so that's one word, one space, one abbreviation, one punctuation mark, and one digit, but you get the idea. Well, some idea, anyway.

    8. Re:Gaming versus sitting on your butt watching TV by djsmiley · · Score: 1

      I dont watch that shit (and thats my opinion.)

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  5. Kotaku is so Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please stop linking to inane "articles" on Kotaku.

    Even the 4 question long interview with Garriot was better than this.

    1. Re:Kotaku is so Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you put some facts behind your idiotic ramblings. You don't even have the pair to use your name, instead you have to post anonymously. Friggin coward is right.
      I personally love Kotaaku, thye post all day long and don't run old crap like a lot of other sites. So stuff it.

  6. Issues of a new generation by ShawnMcCool42 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The debate will change.. When? When gamers start becoming parents.

    Perhaps the issues of children are deaf upon their disassociated parents. Too much to do in their own life (watch CSI?) to bother really being a part in their child's. You can expect politicians to target the values of the apathetic elite, but as the video game generation starts raising their own children you can expect those values to change.

    Politicians sell what is popular, and once they realize we're all tired of their propaganda they'll move onto the next hot button.

    Just sit tight, video games are still new in popularity and the slow to self-educate middle-aged are soon to become the rotting in homes elderly.

    1. Re:Issues of a new generation by filth+grinder · · Score: 1

      keep in mind that the people freaking out now, were the hippies of the 60s who got naked and dropped acid. Now they are freaking out because a boob is on tv.

      When people age and have children they lose their minds and forget their own experience.

    2. Re:Issues of a new generation by space_jake · · Score: 0

      From my understanding marriage is the end of video games. Hence they won't play a large role in lifestyle.

    3. Re:Issues of a new generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true. I'm married and it hasn't had any kind of adverse affect on my gaming, even though my wife isn't a gamer.

      The thing that will really get in the way of your gaming is having a baby. I'm lucky now if I get to play a total of 1 hour when the baby's taking a nap. (BTW, that really makes me appreciate games that let you save anywhere instead of making it a @#$% privilege!)

      On the bright side, I'll eventually have someone else to play Mario Kart with. :-)

    4. Re:Issues of a new generation by space_jake · · Score: 0

      Kinda what I meant. First you get married then you're living together. Then you have kids so you need a bigger house and a better job so you're working more. Devoting time to kids, wife, and job leaves you with Sunday football in the fall and thats about it... But hey its the good life right?

  7. Television and Newspapers.... by geekboxjockey · · Score: 1

    Television and newspapers will always be more likely to publish anti-video game articles, its one way to try to win back viewers/readers! As for me its Google news and 23.75 hours of world of warcraft! :-P

  8. Now if only.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We can get the majority to realize that a couple of serious incidents out of the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of children and others who play games isn't that bad. How about taking a look at the violent acts caused by playing or watching a sports, I don't recall any video game ever causing a on ice brawl or a soccer riot.

    1. Re:Now if only.. by ShawnMcCool42 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the idea of trying to link the incidents back to video games is ludicrous when it'd be just as easy if not easier to just link it back to a lack of appropriate parental education and support.

  9. hmm tricky choice... by geekboxjockey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Multi-tasking/problem solving (possibly somewhat graphic and violent) versus staring lifelessly down the barrel of an electron gun getting the scoop on the latest shit to buy for 50% of the 30min slot your trying to watch.... I gave up on tv when it stopped informing me and became the loudest most abnoxious billboard known to man. Oh and btw on the occasions that I am watching it and the commercials come on 10x louder, it just motivates me to go back to my computer, and feel like I have some control over what I'm being fed

  10. 1980's hype by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    I remember growing up in the 1980s and buying into the philosophy that becoming elite in video games will make you elite in other facets of life. You had the Last Starfighter, where they selected a kid based on his video game skills. You had Robotech, where the ace fighter was also an ace video game player. There was a host of media that said if you spent enough time in simulators, you'd be good at real life tasks. I guess this is taken up with America's Army to an extent today. I really dedicated myself to video games, and as a result, I'm really good at video games :P When you beat your favorite video game, you have all sorts of ideas on how it could have been done better. So tons of people want to be game designers and programmers. Programming is a marketable skill. Also, you get skills in video games, and learn strategies for problem solving. In school, they feed you the information and you just have to 'accept' it. In video games, you're the one that gets to choose your strategies for gain. The strive to become better at a game is a good goal, and helps you strive to become better in life. I could go on forever about this stuff because its a philosophy I bought into for over 20 years.

    1. Re:1980's hype by brkello · · Score: 1

      While there are positive things about video games, I think that your philosophy takes it way too far. Playing video games in moderation is good, but over-doing it cause you to lack in concentrating on your education and social skills. Online games do not help with social skills...join a CS server. Everyone is really happy, because they sure use the word gay a lot. Even if you love video games...quite frankly, making them really sucks. It is hard, demanding work...that has its rewards...but there are plenty of other jobs out there that pay better and allow you to work less. I enjoy playing video games...creating them not so much. Just because you are good at a video game, it won't make you a good programmer. It might spark the interest in programming, but if you are too busy trying to beat Ninja Gaiden, you are probably going to slack off in learning how to program. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general, the people I have met who are the most amazing, intelligent, and hard working...don't play video games. Striving to be better in everything you do is a good goal. If your only goal is to get better at a video game...that's pointless. I am a good video game player...I can get on any FPS...even one I never played...and dominate instantly. So can my brother...maybe it is genetic that we have good reflexes. Also, I am quite good at RTS...but those are all imperfect, there is always some cheap technique that everyone uses...once you learn them, it all just becomes a race to how fast you can implement X strategy...rather than being able to adapt depending on your opponent (at a high level anyways, when you are new and someone else is new, it's actually more interesting and exciting). I am not trying to brag...I am saying this to make my next point. If anything, if I didn't have video games, I would probably be in fantastic shape and a lot better in my field. Why? Because the skills in games really don't translate to real world skills. They are a good pass time that has some positive benefits...but you aren't going to become an astronaut or a star athlete by playing them. I think it is very dangerous for anyone to buy in to your philosophy, because it is false. It contains enough truth that some young kids would read it and say "yeah, I am going to play more video games and become a genious". It isn't going to happen. You want to do well in life? Balance yourself out. Play video games..but also play sports, pick up a musical instrument, work hard in school, and pursue an interest that you can turn in to a career. If you are playing video games a lot...take a step back and see at what you are missing out on. Video games are dangerous because they are fun and rewarding in the short term. You feel a sense of accomplishment beating a game, you have a good time doing it too. It's easy to take that too far. You will be far more happy though if you get yourself in good shape, find a good job, meet friends, and explore the real world. I may have misunderstood you...but I just can't sit by and watch someone say that video games are going to make you successful in real life if you are good at them. That may be the case for some, but more often it is going to consume more of your life rather than make it easier.

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    2. Re:1980's hype by space_jake · · Score: 0

      Hehe, its true I've been playing games since I was 6 and now I'm a programmer. Maybe even a game programmer someday if I wasn't such a slacker.

    3. Re:1980's hype by Zareste · · Score: 1

      lol

      >but over-doing it cause you to lack in concentrating on your education and social skills

      Just like eating can cut down on your starvation skills.

      >Video games are dangerous because they are fun and rewarding in the short term.

      What?

      This is the most gigantic slew of words I've ever seen someone dedicate to a big load of hooey. A nice example of what people have to do with their time when they've locked themselves away from anything beneficial.

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    4. Re:1980's hype by brkello · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was just bored at work. Maybe I can simplify it for you. If you buy in to this guy's philosophy, that being good at video games translates to real world skills, then you are fool. How have I locked myself away from anything beneficial? I still play video games, just not as much as when I was young. I wasted too much time on it. I play sports, music, have a great career and good friends. I haven't locked myself away from anything.

      You on the other hand, instead of actually countering anything I say, write something that amounts to "What you said is stupid". Wow, that was useful...really contributed to the discussion there. In any case, insult all you want, it will just make you look worse in the end.

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    5. Re:1980's hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      -Remind me why it's NOT cruel and unusual to be thrown into a cage with rapists and murderers

      Because it's cruel and usual.

    6. Re:1980's hype by Metapsyborg · · Score: 1
      Sorry, kind of off topic:

      brkello: I agree with you that excessive video game usage doesn't lead to anything useful (for the most part), and I know I'm wasting my life when I play video games for a majority of my free time. brkello said:

      but those are all imperfect, there is always some cheap technique that everyone uses...once you learn them, it all just becomes a race to how fast you can implement X strategy...rather than being able to adapt depending on your opponent

      I disagree with this statement for sure. What you just described is not a video game master, you described a wanna-be video game master. An actual excellent player always sidesteps the "cheap" tactics. For example, I played Goldeneye 007 (n64) a lot, and I was good at it. I knew other people who considered themselves good. These people, however, were always the ones to immediatly go for the rocket launcher, or hover around the body armor. I still beat them everytime; no "cheap tactic" is as effective as an instinctive headshot. Furthermore, most of those cheap tactics come with severe disadvantages...rocket launchers are only good if you have shitty accuracy, if you can hit someone in the head just as easily with a pistol as you can blow 'em up with a rocket/grenade, then the pistol is the better weapon.

      This does, however, tie in with the broader argument. While I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, there is the possibility of success through videogames. My evidence: Fatal1ty. Here is someone who makes enough money to live on (I'm assuming...he's probably got plenty with all his new endorsements) solely through videogames. For Cripes sake, he's even got "uber 1337" hardware out (at least a radeon graphics card and a mobo, that I know of). Now, I'm not gonna rush out and buy this stuff (too big an ego), but you gotta admit that simply reaks of success!

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  11. Marijuana parallels by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

    People need to read up on the early history of marijuana. I just watched the IMAX movie of its history so I'm armed to the teeth with examples of activists (Anslinger) who sowed enough misguided fear into the populance to get laws in place in every state, in the federal government, and in the U.N. This is the same thing they're trying to do with video games.

    Until La Guardia commissioned a study on marijuana the general assumption was that reefer caused madness (Reefer Madness) and general homicidal activities. After that was debunked Anslinger got the country believing that marijuana led to the consumption of heroine. A study in Palo Alto debunked that one basically saying that marijuana only did exactly what users said it did, made them happy, hungry, and tired. In the 70s pot was a great way to clean up hippies and returned veterans alike which did nothing more than prove that marijuana laws were silly. Then started the campaigns showing that marijuana use caused laziness and a general disinterest in productive activities. The campaign still continues today on whatever footing it can find.

    A quote from American Magazine sometime in the 30s. It has the same theme video game fear-mongerers use today:
    "An entire family was murdered by a youthful addict in Florida. When officers arrived at the home, they found the youth staggering about in a human slaughterhouse. With an axe he had killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister. He seemed to be in a daze... He had no recollection of having committed the multiple crime. The officers knew him ordinarily as a sane, rather quiet young man; now he was pitifully crazed. They sought the reason. The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called "muggles," a childish name for marijuana."

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    1. Re:Marijuana parallels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "An entire family was murdered"

      "The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called "muggles,""

      Murdering families? Smoking muggles?

      Voldemort, is that you?

  12. Total BS by Mr.Dippy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since playing GTA my hooker killing activities have gone up 32% and my randomly killing strangers on the street have gone up a shocking 67%.

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  13. Video games calm kids before surgery by antdude · · Score: 2, Informative

    This CNN story says video games calm kids before surgery, more effectively than tranquilizers or parental presence. Doctors found that allowing children a few minutes to play the games reduced their anxiety until the anesthesia took effect. Dr. Anu Patel conducted the study after noticing a friend's 7-year-old son was so absorbed with his Game Boy at a restaurant that he ignored the adults and the food at his table.

    Seen on Blue's News and copied from my Web site.

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  14. Follow the money by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 1

    In the fifties, cigarettes were sold something that promoted health and outdoor living. These days drug companies are famous for doing 15 clinical trials, and submitting the three that came out positive to the FDA to get drugs approved. People would be shooting down an MS TCO study in seconds, but these results have not yet been questioed, because they match our own biases. You have to answer three questions before even beginning to consider their findings:

    Who paid for these studies?
    Who paid for the studies ? and last, but not least
    Who paid for the studies ?

  15. Bad? Where? by Zareste · · Score: 1

    Tired of hearing about all the bad things games do?

    I haven't heard any bad things at all besides eyestrain due to certain displays. The fact that some psychotic angry mom thinks games will damn us all to Hell doesn't mean anything. A bunch of brainless lies really don't count as bad things.

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  16. Video Games Save Lives.. *REALLY* by moneymatteo · · Score: 1

    When you think that the *number one* killer of teens today are Motor Vehicle Crashes, wouldn't it make sense that something that IMPROVES hand-eye coordnation would increase a teen's chance of survival? Just think of the headline, "Video-Games may save your child's life." I'd love for Sony to sponsor a study. It would end this argument forever.