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IBM Prepares 100-Terabyte Tape Drives

Roland Piquepaille writes "It's a well-known fact that we're living in an era of data explosion, and that it's not about to stop. So it's not really surprising that IBM researchers are eyeing 100T-byte tape drive. Yes, you read correctly. They want to increase the capacity storage of their largest units by 250 times, from 400 GB to 100 TB. In order to achieve this goal, they're borrowing "nanopatterning" techniques derived from the microprocessor division. Today, the size of a tape track is about 10 microns. They want to reduce it to 0.5 micron -- or 500 nanometers -- in about five years. IBM doesn't really say when a 100-Terabyte tape drive will be available. But more importantly, the company doesn't say a word about future data transfer rates, which today reach a 80 MB/s. Read this overview for more comments about this problem of data transfer rates."

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  1. PR0N! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's _alot_ of pr0n.

  2. I bet it's worth the money... by agent+dero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...I mean, I'm sure I could back up my entire life to one of these things... ;)

    Seriously, imagine backing up every single thing you've ever heard, seen, or read. 40TB maybe? ;)

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    1. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by MP3Chuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well ... 74 minutes of stereo 16-bit 44.1khz audio is about 650MB. 8.783MB/minute. For the sake of argument, let's assume a 100 year lifespan. 100 years = 52,594,876.6 minutes. 461,982,024.189 MB (440.580 TB) for 100 years of CD-quality audio. Convert to 128 kb/s MP3 and you're looking at about 44TB, give or take. (128kbps .MP3 is about 1/10 size of a .wav).

      So in a sense you are quite right! :)

    2. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by MP3Chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gah ... didn't want to reply to my own post but I was too hasty in hitting Submit. That 40TB only applies to audio. Obviously video compression would be quite a bit larger. Somebody want to do the math?

    3. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by foniksonik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just remember that if you use tape to backup... there's a good chance you won't get a valid restore. I wouldn't bet my life on it is all I'm saying...

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    4. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by canofbutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      hmmm 100TB, so 100000000MB (if they market it the way a Hard Drive company would), at the average of 200MB for every 24 minutes (based on my collection of stuff) what would put us at about 22 years of constant video...

    5. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but at least 30% of that audio would be of you snoring. Might want to ommit those parts.

    6. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by nyri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm sure I could back up my entire life to one of these things

      I heard that the information flux you receive trough your sensory devices (eyes, ears, etc.) is 20Gb/s. This value is purely anecdotal but it does sound right. For the sake of the argument, let's pretend that the value is correct.

      Let's assume that you live 100years=3 153 600 000s =~ 3Gs. This means that experience being you can be stored to 60Pb. Of cause we need to know your genetic make-up but that is peanuts compared to 60Pb. 60Pb is 75 100TB tapes. This means that if you can compress your sensory data to 1/75=1.4% from the original size, you can, in fact, store your whole life to one of these tapes.

      The compression rate is, in my humble opinion, reachable. First of all, people spend most of their life sleeping. Second of all people ignore most of the data they receive. And third, the perception of the world is far from chaotic and therefore compressible.

      So yes, you are correct: These tapes are capable to store entire human life, if we come up with a mean to record it.

    7. Re:I bet it's worth the money... by dermond · · Score: 2, Informative

      the capacity of your brain. your brain has about 100Gig of neurons. each with about 1000 connections to other neurons each associated with a "weight" that store the information. so if we assume 16bit weight.. we have a raw 200TByte of information storage in your brain...a lot of this is propablay wasted for basic live functioning....

  3. tape drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    What do they have in mind, they want to build the world's largest Turing machine?

  4. 100 TB from IBM - Not a problem! by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anyone can do it, it's big blue. I remember when they first USB key drives were widely available from IBM. 8mb and 16mb form factors. I talked to a guy I knew at IBM, who smiled at me and told me to expect 1 GB form factors within a year. (Not that I would be able to afford them. :-) ) The boys at IBM can create anything they put their minds to. Marketing is another matter.

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  5. Data transfer rates by IO+ERROR · · Score: 5, Interesting
    We have to solve the problem of data transfer rates. It is patently silly to wait three days for your 100TB backup to finish.

    I don't know where the solution here will come from, but I expect for the meantime this kind of large capacity will be used more for archival storage of old data than for backup.

    Is there any research out there into the data transfer rate problem?

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    1. Re:Data transfer rates by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure there is. IBM (and others) spend a lot of money trying to figure out what will be hot tech in 5-15 years. Whenever this 100TB tape hits the market I would bet IBM will have found a way to make it run at a reasonable speed.

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  6. That's definately not for PERSONAL backups. by RenaissanceGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heck, even if you were to connect a drive like that to the firewire-800 port (800mbps) port on a new (today) PowerMac G5, it'd take over 277 HOURS to fill that tape! (assuming complete bus saturation and an 8-bit-byte)

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  7. Roland Piquepaille Spam and Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative


    Roland Piquepaille and Slashdot: Is there a connection?

    I think most of you are aware of the controversy surrounding regular Slashdot article submitter Roland Piquepaille. For those of you who don't know, please allow me to bring forth all the facts. Roland Piquepaille has an online journal (I refuse to use the word "blog") located at www.primidi.com. It is titled "Roland Piquepaille's Technology Trends". It consists almost entirely of content, both text and pictures, taken from reputable news websites and online technical journals. He does give credit to the other websites, but it wasn't always so. Only after many complaints were raised by the Slashdot readership did he start giving credit where credit was due. However, this is not what the controversy is about.

    Roland Piquepaille's Technology Trends serves online advertisements through a service called Blogads, located at www.blogads.com. Blogads is not your traditional online advertiser; rather than base payments on click-throughs, Blogads pays a flat fee based on the level of traffic your online journal generates. This way Blogads can guarantee that an advertisement on a particular online journal will reach a particular number of users. So advertisements on high traffic online journals are appropriately more expensive to buy, but the advertisement is guaranteed to be seen by a large amount of people. This, in turn, encourages people like Roland Piquepaille to try their best to increase traffic to their journals in order to increase the going rates for advertisements on their web pages. But advertisers do have some flexibility. Blogads serves two classes of advertisements. The premium ad space that is seen at the top of the web page by all viewers is reserved for "Special Advertisers"; it holds only one advertisement. The secondary ad space is located near the bottom half of the page, so that the user must scroll down the window to see it. This space can contain up to four advertisements and is reserved for regular advertisers, or just "Advertisers". Visit Roland Piquepaille's Technology Trends (www.primidi.com) to see it for yourself.

    Before we talk about money, let's talk about the service that Roland Piquepaille provides in his journal. He goes out and looks for interesting articles about new and emerging technologies. He provides a very brief overview of the articles, then copies a few choice paragraphs and the occasional picture from each article and puts them up on his web page. Finally, he adds a minimal amount of original content between the copied-and-pasted text in an effort to make the journal entry coherent and appear to add value to the original articles. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Now let's talk about money. Visit http://www.blogads.com/order_html?adstrip_category =tech&politics= to check the following facts for yourself. As of today, December XX 2004, the going rate for the premium advertisement space on Roland Piquepaille's Technology Trends is $375 for one month. One of the four standard advertisements costs $150 for one month. So, the maximum advertising space brings in $375 x 1 + $150 x 4 = $975 for one month. Obviously not all $975 will go directly to Roland Piquepaille, as Blogads gets a portion of that as a service fee, but he will receive the majority of it. According to the FAQ, Blogads takes 20%. So Roland Piquepaille gets 80% of $975, a maximum of $780 each month. www.primidi.com is hosted by clara.net (look it up at http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index. jhtml [networksolutions.com]). Browsing clara.net's hosting solutions, the most expensive hosting service is their Clarahost Advanced (http://

    1. Re:Roland Piquepaille Spam and Slashdot by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I just wish i had mod points. This seems to classic sour grapes from a competitor. This is the only thing that would explain the anonymous coward posts. Is this Roland guy so entrenched in media that we are afraid of him?

      Anyway, cribbing articles into a collection is an age old tradition. There are very few original articles, and people seldom use 'orignal sources' Often the analysis provided by secondary soruces is useful. Ignorance and heeding to complaints is also an age old tradition. I am not familiar with this roland guy, and obviously the poster is embarrassed enough so as to hide, and I am neither defending or attacking either. It is just that we are talking about private companies. If there is a connection between Roland and Slashdot, go out and find it post the expose. All you have now is that the Slashdot editors favor a particular news repackager. As you say, many of the articles generate much discussion, and some don't, which is normal. Of the few posts I have had accepted, some have generated discussion and others have not. The /. editors decisions may negatively affect your profits, as they certainly do many others, but you have not shown any unethical behavior.

      So, i suggest that you go out an prove that unethical behavior is happening. First, I suggest that you hire a private dick to servile the persons in question. See if you can discover any connections. Perhaps they are school buddies or in-laws? Perhaps they are lovers? Who knows.

      Second, scan all /, user accounts. Find out how many competing stories were submitted. Were the competitors submitted after or before. Were the write-ups of lesser or greater quality. It could be that roland provides professional write-ups, free of the dreaded grammar and spelling errors. This analysis in itself could provide a simple sanity check, which is why you are unlikely to complete it.

      Third, post as a real user. At this point you are just some crack head who does not know how to positively contribute to the greater social good.

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  8. Size of reel by k4_pacific · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can do this today. Just make it hold a much bigger reel.

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  9. Re:Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny
    Pshaaah... I say. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 100GB tape in my pocket.
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  10. Data rates not a problem by smoon · · Score: 3, Informative

    The IBM enterprise SAN device -- shark -- is only able to crank data out at about 35MB/s per disk pack, assuming sole access. When you've got multiple systems hitting one disk pack it drops dramatically from that.

    So 80MB/s is more than their disk systems can do anyway, unless you're pulling data from multiple packs.

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  11. Re:Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.... by Jozer99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tapes have never been a consumer item. They are slow (well, not too bad, but in terms of read/write speed vs. capacity). They are also hobbled by the fact that they are a linear media, and reading or writing any one thing to a tape take forever. As such, 99.9% of tapes are used by businesses to store their data, which for the most part is not pirated copyrighted material.

  12. Re:It's about time by GeekDork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It'd be about time for the tape drives and media to become affordable. Capacity isn't really a problem for normal end-users. What's lacking is drives in the 40-80GB range (DAT anyone?) that don't cost an arm and a leg. Tapes are available in sizes that should even be enough for smaller publishing offices.

    If you need to backup >100GB on tape for personal use, you most likely have a serious legal problem or a porn collection that I'd want to see (the collection, not the problem).

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  13. Re:It's about time by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah ... and I've found that it's really, really hard to get them to understand why it isn't. "But it's making a copy of everything I save!" I try to point out that "Yes, it is! INCLUDING that trojan you just installed and all the files it just are erased are now gone from BOTH drives!" Argghh. But usually it is after they themselves nuke something important and want to know how to restore it from their "backup" do they finally understand. So far as I'm concerned, a backup isn't a backup until you remove it from the computer and store it somewhere safe off-site.

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  14. Yeah, lose 100TB of data in a single backup by melted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now that's an awesome possibility. It's about time storage-related companies start worrying about reliability and longevity of their storage solutions instead of trying to impress everyone with capacity.

  15. Thank God! by abrager · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next version of Microsoft Office fits on two of these.

  16. Re:if we have 1 micron now y dont we have 50T byte by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 3, Informative

    The simple answer is that the data is not stored and to end - - - - - in a linear array. The data is stored in a 2 dimensional grid, using both the width of the tape as well as the linear position on the reel to store data. In many cases, the data is stored in a biased array of rows /////

    Thus the data density depends on not just the size of the individual particles storing the bits, but also on the possible arrangement of the grid, be it rectangular, biased arrays, hexoganal, etc.

    Additionally, most backup systems include redundancy in the written patterns, to protect against degradation due to environmentla exposure. The most common I am familiar with is the storage of a reversible cyclic redundancy check (CRC) in the written blocks. The block size varies from program to program, as does the compression algorithm chosen.

    So if we assume a rectangular array of bits, with mild bias, we get a grid #. If each bit on the grid is halved in size, the data density, barring other changes, is quadrupled. Changes to the pattern made possible may increase this further, as well as advances in the heads.

    Current heads can only read at a certain speed, so a trade off is made between spool speed and data density, meaning that not 100% of the space on the tape is lines of data, there is alos white space, unused on the tape. If a better head can read a more densly packed datastream, then you could very well make a 250x increase in total capacity.

    It's been a long time since I worked with tape drive technology, so this is just an approximate explanation, of course.

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  17. 0.05 micron tracks by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    hard to imagine a 0.05 micron track on anything flexible being readable.

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