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Why Microsoft Should Fear Bandwidth

Mike writes "Microsoft should fear increasing bandwidth to the consumer more than any other single factor as a threat to their monopoly. The average user has no desire to be the sysadmin of their machine(s), and telcos and cable companies would be glad to take this task from them -- for a nominal fee, of course, as application service providers. The PC as we know it probably only has a decade or so left."

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  1. I'll believe it.... by rednip · · Score: 5, Funny

    when cars fly.

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    1. Re:I'll believe it.... by JPriest · · Score: 5, Informative

      Exactly, people complain about XP's startup time as it is, now they want to host all their apps and the OS on a network drive at the ISP's head end? Why does this make more sense? Users can simply still run a virus that will just fsck their files over the network drive.

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    2. Re:I'll believe it.... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, it makes sense from the standpoint that the user won't have to be bothered with annoying maintenance tasks like backing up their data. Given how few Windows users even have a firewall or any kind of malware scanning, having the ISP handle that would probably be an improvement (of course, if those same people ran a more secure operating system it would be an even bigger improvement.) That said, I wouldn't want all of my confidential documentation and source code residing on someone else's equipment. Bad idea. For that matter, I don't like the idea of anyone keeping track of what applications I run and for what purpose. Not to mention that with a National Security Letter government agents could access all of your files without having to break into your house where you would at least have the possibility of "accidentally" shooting one of them. Forget it. I'll keep my data to myself, thank you very much.

      Ultimately it would just be another way for an ISP to justify sucking more money from each user in monthly fees.

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    3. Re:I'll believe it.... by RicktheBrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe that some company will give away the hardware so people will sign up for their service just like cell phones today. The people who do will not have to worry about the hardware as it will be like cable box today if it breaks it will be replaced for free. They will have access to billions of dollars of software and video for a monthly fee. The computer will have zero maintenance and zero worry so it will attract a huge amount of people.

    4. Re:I'll believe it.... by Bloodlent · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is Slashdot, dude. The proper term is "When Duke Nukem Forever is released".

    5. Re:I'll believe it.... by Nataku564 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A) It's not normal for your computer's configuration to get screwed up unless you're messing with it.

      About the only configuration issue I have with windows is when it randomly decides my keyboard repeat rate should be set to slowest, but I only notice this when I am flipping around my KVM a lot.

      B) It's not normal to have to reinstall the OS every 3 weeks.

      You are right, it is not ... whoever is doing this is obviously not meant to ever use anything even remotely involving computers. At most I would expect someone to try reinstalling windows every year, and thats only if they have installed so much stuff as to simply not want to deal with removing it all. I have a win2k install going for about 3 years now, and a winXP that I have just done a reinstall on ( to repartition ) that was good for 2 years previous. I dont know what all these people are doing to their computers, even my parents generally dont fubar up theirs until a year or two down the line.

      C) It's not normal to have to upgrade to the latest version of the OS just for the machine to behave normally (Note: though this isn't true if you want the latest security patches).

      Define "behave normally". If by that you mean being safe from viruses and what not, then this is definitly the case, no matter what OS you are running. I can't recall any of microsoft's updates ever altering the functionality of windows ( other than some major SP things, like the firewall etc ) - which updates are you speaking of?

      D) If you use an OS other than windows, all the previous problems disappear.

      This is analagous to saying if someone who can't take care of a car, uses a different brand, they will have better luck. While true, the other brand may very well have fewer issues needing repair, it still will break down, and the person will still find a way to fubar it.

      One last thing. No one has ***ever*** called up, claiming that their playstation 2 or gamecube is "messed up" and can no longer connect. You'd think that would click in their brains...

      What should click in their brains? That they should only allow users to operate on one piece of proprietary software/hardware, and never ever allow them to upgrade? I'll set up a windows box for you, and i'm betting if I dont ever let you change it in any way - it will still be working just fine many years down the line. Just a hunch.

  2. pay up sucka by +Addict-09+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    are you kidding? Microsoft would love this (and I think they've already tried). Just think, instead of all those pirated copies of Office, you would have to actually pay to use it from your "application provider"

    1. Re:pay up sucka by JPriest · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a matter of fact, Microsoft is already leading this market with Windows terminal services. Basically the client systems are diskless, they look like a cable modem with a vid card. I have seen them used in hospitals etc. Sun has a similar system with the Sun Ray, but they seem to be losing popularity.

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  3. Not Likely. by Blackknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people may be happy with just a dumb terminal as it does reduce the maintenance headaches of running a pc.

    However I'm not sure I would want any company to have that level of control over my desktop system. Not to mention having all of my apps and data held hostage to a subscription fee.

    People have been predicting the death of PCs since PCs were invented, but it hasn't happened yet. Anybody remember when network computers were supposed to be the next big thing?

  4. They'll love it by AiY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think there is one thing that will make MS be happy with lots o' bandwidth - TV over IP. They own lots of patents in conjuction with it and started really developing after they realized that one monopoly (cable TV providers) doesn't like another (MS). Ignorance of the Internet by MS is so '90s - they had the money to make up for their ignorance.

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  5. Not the only reason by SouperIan · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who didn't read the article, the reason why Microsoft should fear bandwidth is that control of the computers will be turned over from the home user to a remote company. That is a good enough reason in its own right, but there are other reasons for MS to fear high-bandwidth connections. People stuck on a dial-up are less likely to be able to download Linux and other OSS. The propogation(sp?) rate of viruses, worms and other malware greatly increases because always-on connections spread them constantly - and quicker, which helps to highlight weaknesses in Windows.

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  6. Re:Ho hum. by dilbertspace · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm the author the article. The "network is the computer" was a false start because the bandwidth was not there. Now, it is getting to be there -- and with spam, spyware, adware, phishing schemes, increasing viruses, the average user is way out of his league in dealing with the challenges of modern computing. Long past are the days where one could leave a Windows 98 machine (or Windows 2000, or XP, take your pick) connected to the Internet for days at a time, unpatched. My point, which I should have made clearer, is that the "network-is-the-computer" approach didn't work because the bandwidth simply was not there. Now it is getting to be. With spyware, adware, malware of all stripes dominating the news, and the average user's computer, people will be much more inclined now and in the near future to use an ASP model. I hope that clarifies my arguments a bit.

  7. Ya, when OSes are free! by tentimestwenty · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've heard people say things like this before... oh, you just wait, when somebody invents a fantabulous operating system and gives it away for free, THEN Microsoft will come tumbling down. Just another one of those craaaazy-talkers.

  8. Sad news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just heard some sad news on slashdot - the Personal Computer will be found dead in ten years time. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss the PC - even if you didn't enjoy its work, there's no denying its contributions to slashdot culture. Truly a global icon.

  9. Bullcrap. by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The PC as we know it probably only has a decade or so left.

    Boy am I tired of this old chestnut.

    If anything, adding bandwidth or any other features or functionality will only serve to keep the PC around longer - the more it can do, the more reasons you have to have one. Your PC can now edit movies, be a mutlimedia station, a jukebox, a gaming console...and as it begins to compete in these new areas, devices that used to provide these services are going away. If anything is going away, it's your VCR player or your DVD player. Or your 5 CD changing stereo. Next, it's probably your TV.

    And the PC can't be replaced in some ways. Exactly how are you going to program on your PS2? Ever tried surfing the web on an iPaq? The PC solves certain kinds of problems exactly perfectly, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

    In fact, I used to work at an engineering firm that made StrongARM platforms for embedded Linux and WindowsCE. Our CEO's business strategy was that the "death of the PC has begun", and we were ready to step in and fill the void.

    They're bankrupt now.

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  10. The big get bigger by Mistlefoot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A real life comparison could be easily made here.

    50 years ago when car's were expensive and walking was the norm downtown's thrived. After cars became cheaper and roads led everywhere the malls tore into the business the downtown core had thrived on. We now see big box stores killing downtown's everywhere.

    Microsoft is as 'big box' as they come.......while there is no doubt that strategies behind operating systems and the internet will meld together I don't see it as a reason to see Microsoft to not be a prominent part of that.

  11. Re:I can't wait by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Informative

    short: my whole world is vnc. I live in it. it works.

    longer: I have a freebsd server that is up 7x24. it holds my 'state'. my desktop and all the windows (xterms, browsers, debug windows, whatever). its in my 'server room' which I allow to be a bit noisier and I can close the door off, etc.

    in the living areas, I can use 'floating' laptops or a desktop in the living room. that one usually runs XP since XP talks well enough to its connected hardware (ethernet cards, video cards, .11g cards, etc). and vncviewer sitting on top of XP on top of gig-ethernet - its QUITE a good 'thin client'. really, its extremely fast - faster than vncviewer sitting on top of X11 on top of any unix. the vnc client-over-XP is fast enough that with a point to switched gig-e or even fastEther connection between the client (xp) and server (freebsd) - when I move windows opaquely around on my 'desktop' its damned near as fast as a local move.

    other advantage: I can have multiple viewers (even with write access) on at the same time. the laptop in the bedroom on wireless can see the same persistent desktop that the living room XP/gig-e client sees. I can enable power-saving on the desktops and laptops (works well in XP) and have the clients auto shutdown or hibernate after a timeout. I simply press the power switch and come back from hiber (very fast) and re-run vncviewer and bingo - my old (year old) desktop is back again. (I think most people have never ever had this experience of a persistent computer desktop that lasts in the months and even years).

    I've been doing it that way for over 2 yrs now. works very very well. I get uptimes in the years for my 'desktop'. vncserver on freebsd is a GREAT server combo and is stable as it gets.

    don't tell me vnc isn't the answer. everything I see and type is via a vnc connection (currently on a wireless xp laptop and having NO interface speed or lag issues at all. you wouldn't know you weren't actually local.)

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  12. Re:I call shens by Alci12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardly; new technology has never depended on everyone having access, only a majority.

  13. Re:I call shens by dnoyeb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dont think what computers are able to do has any bearing on this.

    People don't recognize 'intellectual property' people recognize tangible property. For instance, I won't be playing anymore Steam games because I don't like the life of my product to be tied to any company. I can pull duke nukem off the shelf now, install and play, who knows where 3d realms is these days.

    Its like not being able to record a song but only listen to it from the radio. People will perceve this as a huge step backwards and I don't think they will accept it at all. Now large companies will probably not be so opposed.