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AMD Chip Fraud Delays Release of New Chipset

rocketman768 writes "According to internetnews.com a workshop in Taipei has been re-labeling nearly a million AMD Athlon XPs. It seems AMD is spending more time investigating this than on releasing their new Alchemy chipset which boasts direct transfer of video from digital video recorders to portable players without the need to transcode through a PC."

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  1. AMD by bharatk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess noone noticed their chips were manafactured by "Advanced Moocro Devices".

    1. Re:AMD by mollusk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, I know a genuine 'Panaphonics' when I see one.

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    2. Re:AMD by FRiC · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article refers to xbitlabs which refers to Sin Chew Daily, which isn't even a Taiwanese newspaper. I searched Taiwanese sites and the most recent AMD related bust only found 60,000 pcs of remarked chips, not a million as reported.

    3. Re:AMD by plover · · Score: 4, Informative
      You're not thinking like a big-time ripoff artist (which is not a bad thing!)

      They could have structured their purchases using legitimate motherboard companies as intermediaries, or they could have set up their own front company to hide the purchase. Just because you've never heard of Panashiba doesn't mean AMD's sales rep won't sell to them.

      Possibly they used a Chinese or Russian firm as a cutout. Both of those countries are large enough that a million chips not hitting the market might go unnoticed. The order could also have come through a corrupt government official from a smaller country, such as Cuba, under the pretext of a military or governmental order.

      They could even have hijacked a freighter or cargo containers carrying product. Computer chips long ago replaced lipstick as the highest dollar value per truck for hijacking. They have a tremendous resale value.

      We may never know, but it sure would be interesting to find out.

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  2. what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    they're just doing the overclocking for you! saves the customer time, really.

  3. Yea by kaiser423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's something they have to be pretty agressive about. They're starting to get a really good name among the PHB's and average joe's. So, they have to really fight to keep their reputation growing. Their new reputation is almost to the point where it's a selling point. They just need to keep it there, and then they have a cash cow.

    1. Re:Yea by Slack3r78 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, if AMD has a cash cow, it's their flash memory business. It's what kept the company's head above water during the lean years where the microprocessor division was doing nothing but losing money.

  4. Re:Is this by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Erm...

    When a chip is labelled, it is usually a cheaper slower chip remarked as a faster chip.

    Now, when this chip is sold and fails/fizzles/burns up, its AMD's reputation on the line.

    This has no parallels with copyrights and the like. AMD is doing what it must to protect its name and its profits (doh!)

  5. I need some magic glasses too by Magickcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems AMD is spending more time investigating this than on releasing their new Alchemy chipset which boasts direct transfer of video from digital video recorders to portable players without the need to transcode through a PC."

    Funny, I didn't read that or infer that from the article. Perhaps you have special glasses that let you read invisible ink?

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    1. Re:I need some magic glasses too by rlsnyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I second that thought. Does the submittor really think AMD takes their engineers and sends them out in the field to do legal and investigative work?

      I *think* AMD has more than one department.

      Is editorializing necessary on every darn news story?

    2. Re:I need some magic glasses too by SpecBear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Slashdot editors have been paid by AMDs marketing department to insert these non sequiturs as part of an experimental advertising technique. Personally, I'd never heard of AMD's Alchemy chipset until I read about what a terrible job they were doing marketing it.

      Future /. posting: "Several critical IE vulnerabilities were announced this week. With the tech media focused on this, it's going to be impossible for the folks at Mozilla to get the word out about the latest Firefox release."

    3. Re:I need some magic glasses too by Ed+Thomson · · Score: 5, Funny

      AMD have a "jack of all trades" type workforce. Instead of everyone working on different projects and getting lots of things done slowly, they all work on the same thing at the same time to get a few things accomplished really fast.

      So yes the whole company stopped working on releasing the new chipset and are now all working on the investigating the re-labeling.

  6. Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems AMD is spending more time investigating this than on releasing their new Alchemy chipset

    Yes, I'm sure they've taken their fab plant workers and assigned them to detective jobs instead.

  7. Bad for overclockers by grahamsz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now AMD will be forced to investigate new ways of preventing chips being overclocked to stop this from happening again.

    1. Re:Bad for overclockers by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doubtful. With the cost of fabs, it would probably be less expensive just to raid and shut down the illegal "producers" than to try and work out elaborate protection schemes.

      Remember - implementing half-assed software hacks to "protect" content on a CD is relatively cheap compared to the cost of imlpementing something similar to prevent overclocking in a complex computer chip.

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  8. cat /proc/cpuinfo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't the BIOS detect this and display it right when a system boots up, you would think even a not-so-clever user would start to notice that the numbers on the package and the numbers on the screen don't match up

    A simple cat /proc/cpuinfo on a GNU/Linux system for experienced users should expose the farce too, correct me if I'm wrong.

    1. Re:cat /proc/cpuinfo by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...you would think even a not-so-clever user would start to notice...
      I would doubt it. To most people the bios output is just a bunch of text, as long as there is text and it doesn't stop, the system is working. Most people don't look at what it says.

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    2. Re:cat /proc/cpuinfo by lachlan76 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because AMD makes each chip the same, and just modifies the multiplier to change the speed, the chip just detects what speed it is running at and makes the text show up as the right one.

    3. Re:cat /proc/cpuinfo by canadiangoose · · Score: 5, Informative
      My chip is an Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton) overclocked to 2.2GHz on a 200MHz bus, and this is what shows up on my system:
      Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=302 apic_tack=1 devfs=mount
      Initializing CPU#0
      PID hash table entries: 2048 (order 11: 16384 bytes)
      Detected 2204.860 MHz processor.
      ......
      ......
      Calibrating delay loop... 4358.14 BogoMIPS
      ......
      ......
      CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff 00000000 00000000
      CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff 00000000 00000000
      CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
      CPU: L2 Cache: 512K (64 bytes/line)
      CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff 00000000 00000020
      Intel machine check architecture supported.
      Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
      CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ stepping 00
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  9. Alchemy by kinema · · Score: 5, Interesting
    their new Alchemy chipset which boasts direct transfer of video from digital video recorders to portable players without the need to transcode through a PC
    AMD's Alchemy line isn't a mainboard chipset it is their brand of 32 bit embedded MIPS SoC (system on a chip) devices. The Au1200 is the newest in the family targeted for use in digital media players like PVRs. What makes the Au1200 perfect for media players is it's hardware video codecs that support MPEG1, 2, 4 (including DivX) and WMV9.
  10. Somebody please read the f___ing article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Submitter? Editor? Anyone read this? It said "shadowed" and "put a damper on." There is no assertion anywhere that the fraud caused a chipset delay.

  11. Author didn't understand story, made up headline by Somegeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The news has put a damper on the release of Alchemy, the company's new processor.".

    The author evidently thought this quote meant that AMD was slowing down the release of the processor, instead of realizing that it just means that it dulled some of AMD's excitement over the new product release. The story even states that AMD is already selling "large quantities" of the chipset. Sounds like they are releasing it just fine, no delays.

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  12. How is this anything New? by CygnusXII · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This just shows that AMD has reached a point Intel was at 5 or 6 years ago. I worked for a hardware reseller, that got burned by a lot of hotwired, Pentium II's. It was so bad that we were raided by the FEDs'. That freaked me out. Try coming to work one day, walk into the Shop and Agent Smith, flips a Badge and ask you to step into the Boss's Office, for an Interview.

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  13. Seriously.... by tuxter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason AMD are so well renowned amongst geeks is _because_ they are over clockable, are they willing to risk this? It's one of their selling points surely.

  14. Mismarked chips? by bob+beta · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean the numbers on those chips don't designate their clock speed?!?

  15. Its the latest thing. Soon evryne will be doing it by Pizaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    AMD has even filed a patent for it. They are calling it Enterprise Level Preemptive Multitasking.

  16. Re:How is this anything New?-Job Interview. by CygnusXII · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, it was very weird.I pulled into the parking lot, and cars where everywhere. I had been trying to tell my employers we were in for a shit storm, for a month. We (all the RMA Techs) kept tally sheets, specifically for RMA Complaints concerning those CPU's. We had taken one of them apart, to see what was going on under the hood, and they were Hotwired. Here's a quote from an Online Story, that we were involved in.
    "Even armed with knowledge of the re-marking problem, Brock again went shopping online for a CPU upgrade for another system. Thinking he was protected by the "clock locking" technology in the new generation of Pentium IIs, Brock ordered a PII-400 from Micro Source. "When I first got it, the [CPU's] case didn't fit properly, and I thought it didn't look right," says Brock. His research pointed him to Intel's CPUID utility (see " ID, Please" ) and another tool from a German computer magazine, both of which indicated that his chip might be overclocked. He e-mailed Intel for confirmation, but no one there could tell him for sure. After finding evidence of tampering inside the CPU's case, Brock realized he had another re-marked CPU. Fortunately, he was able to return it and get a refund. Micro Source President Eugene Braverman says, "We did have one or two instances where consumers ended up with CPUs we were suspicious about. Now we only buy from Intel-authorized dealers." http://tinyurl.com/6uqe5/ [PCWorld.com] When the Feds' came they confiscated so much stuff, it was amazing. We had a lot of Customers Machines, that were built to order, they all were... Just Gone,we never saw them again, forged CPUs' or Not.

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  17. Au1200 media accelerator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just downloaded the Au1200 databook and had a look at the media accelerator chapter. The Media Acceleration Engine (MAE) is a hardware accelerator that provides IDCT and Motion Compensation similar to that of the ATI Rage 128 / Radeon series. There is full documentation on the internal operation of the MAE together with listings of all the registers. This means that it won't be long before it'll be supported under Linux.

    Contrast this with ATI who refuse to release documentation on the IDCT unit. And even worse - Broadcom who make competing CPUs won't release ANY databook unless under NDA.

  18. Nice headline by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 3, Funny

    rocketman768 writes "According to internetnews.com a workshop in Taipei has been re-labeling nearly a million AMD Athlon XPs. It seems AMD is spending more time investigating this than on releasing their new Alchemy chipset which boasts direct transfer of video from digital video recorders to portable players without the need to transcode through a PC."

    Yes rocketman768, AMD has one guy that designs chipsets and manages their legal department. While his skills are incredible, he has not been managing his time well lately. This has resulted in the Alchemy being delayed. I will forward your message to HR and let them know about your concerns.

    Your headline is a display of intellectualism that can only be rivaled by an autistic sea monkey. For that, the Internet thanks you.

  19. this was discussed by AMD @ QuakeCon by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Interesting



    During the HardOCP presentation, a pretty significant guy from AMD discussed this matter. He said AMD is not against hobbyists overclocking their chips. He said they're upset over an 'asian company' buffing off their labelling, overclocking the chips, and relabelling the chips. I had just bought an Athlon XP 3200 "OEM" chip and was curious if it might be one of the bootlegged CPUs. I talked to an engineer at their booth and showed him the chip. AMD, like several other QuakeCon sponsors, had real-deal engineers on hand to address technical queries. Not just booth babes handing out shirts. The guy I talked to said he had never seen a 3200 made with a green PCB. He also gave me the contact info for an FBI agent who is investigating this phenomena. Later on, I asked a friend of mine who works at AMD about the green-vs-gold PCB issue. His co-workers were likewise skeptical of a 3200 mounted on a green PCB. So now I'm going to contact that FBI agent and see what he thinks.

  20. Re: cash cows by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 3, Funny
    Do you even know how a cash cow works?
    It's a stockyard where cattle are kept while awaiting various kinds of inhumane treatment (e.g., branding, slaughter, etc.) at the hands of their depraved owners or their employees.
    The stockyard allows the vicious Cattle Processing Unit (CPU) to access the cattle more efficiently than having to fetch each cow individually from the open range when it's needed to be the subject of one vile torture or another.

    Oh, wait, that's not a "cash cow"; that's a "cow cache".
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  21. Athlon XP 2200+ by elynnia · · Score: 3, Informative

    This article brings to mind an incident I had with an Athlon I'd bought last year for my computer... I bought a 2200+ from a shop in Sydney, Australia, but when I started up the computer the BIOS recognised it as a 1800+, although it displayed it as a 2200+ when I took the computer back to the shop and the shop guy did 'Load Optimised Defaults' in the BIOS. Has anyone else here had similar experiences? ~Aly~