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Sneak Peek At Microsoft Anti-Spyware

Ant writes "Broadband Reports mentions Neowin's sneak peek of Microsoft's upcoming anti-spyware software recently acquired community favorite Giant spyware; Microsoft has code-named their re-hashed version of that software 'Atlanta.' It is currently in an internal beta test. There are screenshots of the application in action."

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  1. Sample by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Warning: Firefox detected! - Internet Hijacker - Automatically deleted for your protection.

    1. Re:Sample by Nik13 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, one of the things I noticed about this Giant-Antispyware is the number of false positives. On some systems it found a half dozen of them (things like VNC and such). Also the slowest, high memory usage, and last I tried, cancelling a scan doesn't let you delete what was found on the partial scan.

      Most likely they'll charge for this product, whereas it's completely unnecessary if you use firefox and IE and don't install apps like Gator and such.

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    2. Re:Sample by Zemran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe they will simply fix IE so that it does not accept so much rubbish onto the PC and it will appear like this 'new' product is great.

      To me it seems like getting a broom to crack a nut. If you use the right tool (read Firefox) in the first place you do not need to sweep up the mess.

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    3. Re:Sample by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One would hope that if somebody actually took the initiative in installing Firefox, or similar, that they would know that the MS tool is, in fact, lying.

      That said, dollars to donuts that nobody who'd install FF or its ilk would pay Microsoft for something they can get for free off Lavasoft/Spybot.

    4. Re:Sample by __aatgod8309 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fixing IE would involve such a substantial change to both itself and windows that it won't happen. You've seen how long it took to provide the 'fixes' in SP2 for XP, and in the end it diverted staff from development of Longhorn. Imagine that applied to something even more fundamental to windows, like redesigning ActiveX to be easier to manage, or making IE an optional windows component.

      That kind of work would be probably be even harder than writing Longhorn, and we've seen how long that's taking. And that would most likely require a development team as big as that of Longhorn, if not bigger. And they wouldn't be getting paid for it - so what do you thing the chances are of MS doing that?

    5. Re:Sample by NPN_Transistor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some people may think Firefox has a virus in it... that happened once when I installed Firefox for someone and for a while they thought it was a virus before they found out that their computer's problems were actually caused by a real virus. If Microsoft lists competing products as spyware, I think a lot of people would think... "What??? I didn't know that was spyware. Oh well, better safe then sorry, better delete it". Unfortunately, people are very easily fooled in this world. Talking about fooled, the spyware program doesn't seem to be a very effective one. They just want to make people think that Windows is secure. E.G. Even though XP includes a firewall, it isn't all that effective, and that's why a lot of people still buy seperate firewalls.I think the same thing will happen with these so-called "anti-spyware tools".

    6. Re:Sample by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How is IE a moving target at the moment? If IE stood still much more than it already is the apes will start to worship it as a monolith.

  2. Ironic methinks. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    At the risk of sounding trollish... I think it's more than a bit ironic that MS is now going to bundle spyware when a good chunk of spyware is installed thanks to bugs within the present code. Why not deal with existing issues first?

    Oh wait, new bells and whistles are good PR and prompt upgrades.

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    1. Re:Ironic methinks. by beacher · · Score: 5, Funny

      (Lives in Atlanta) - I just think it's funny. Sherman burned Atlanta (almost) to the ground. I just wonder if someone will name a piece of spyware Sherman and watch it raze Atlanta again....

      THE SOUTH SHALL FORMAT AGAIN!
      -B

    2. Re:Ironic methinks. by ack154 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, it's hard to keep people from clicking "yes".

      I don't think it's so much clicking "yes" for most people (joe user)... it's more of clicking "go away" on things.

    3. Re:Ironic methinks. by dioscaido · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you been missing the stream of patches coming from MS? How are they not dealing with the primary issues?

      Even so, please tell me which pieces of spyware exploit legitimate security holes? The "security hole" they exploit is that users run as admin. Hardly a bug in the OS, just a horrifically misguided ease of use 'feature' in the installer. Easily fixed. I've never gotten infected with spyware while running as a Limited user, and neither has my Mom, who has a penchant for running little apps she finds on the web. In the cases where they are malicious, she just gets a protection fault and knows to happily move along to the next little animation.

      http://www.techproblemsolver.com/limited.html
      h ttp://www.dotnetdevs.com/articles/RunningAsNonAdm in.aspx
      http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/
      ht tp://www.pluralsight.com/keith/book/html/howto_r unasnonadmin.html
      http://support.microsoft.com/de fault.aspx?scid=kb; en-us;305780

      For the handful that did take advantage of some buffer overflow, please point out those vulnerabilities that remain unpatched through Windows Update.

    4. Re:Ironic methinks. by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The issue is bigger than that; it isn't that there's a specific bug or fault, its in the design and implementation of things like Active X.

      Why should a browser EVER make it that easy to run arbitrary code off the net at the user's priviledge level in the native OS?

      The only "valid" reason is that it was THE stick to beat Java over the head with and allow web-based applications to run as Windows applications, with all the easy advantages and UI widgets people expected. Java was stuck with it's horrid GUI, while ActiveX looked and felt like a Windows application.

      And that reason was only "valid" if you were a Windows product strategist trying to keep the web and Java from eliminating the need for Windows and IE.

      So now we have every third web site wanting to run Active X on our machines, often in the "helper" mode to add stuff to our machines so we can see their over-animated web sites that just HAD to be implemented with Flash or Shockwave or worse.

      And you wonder how people reflexively hitting "OK" to Active X warnings get infested with spyware and insist it's not MS fault?

    5. Re:Ironic methinks. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful


      They don't do anything, they get blamed, try to do something, they get blamed. Come out of the MS bashing mentality to see that they are trying to resolve the issue. The only reason spyware is so prevalent in IE is because of monoculture, nothing to do with engineering


      Keep in mind that a good amount of Microsoft criticism (call it "bashing" if you want) is due to their engineering choices. Those choices lead to the outcomes critics predicted. Which in turn leads to a wasteland of broadband zombies.

      When Microsoft attempts bandaid solutions, there is more criticism. That isn't bashing. It's pointing out that Microsoft has issues - much of their own doing.

      Sure - they're doing something. But is "doing something" really solving the problem?
    6. Re:Ironic methinks. by CritterNYC · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, it's hard to keep people from clicking "yes".

      You don't have to click YES or ACCEPT to get spyware in IE. All you have to do is visit a specific website... or a website that's been hacked... or a website that shows ads from a network that's been hacked... and it will auto-install it for you through one of IE's lovely unpatched exploits.

      I just cleaned 12 off my sister's Win98 laptop and then promptly installed Firefox and Thunderbird.

  3. Hate to break it to Microsoft... by CypherXero · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...but there's already plenty of free alternatives out there. Also, just stop using Internet Explorer. That move right there will cut down at least 90% of all spyware/adware.

    1. Re:Hate to break it to Microsoft... by zbyte64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes.... just tell that to the normal users that simply use their computer for pr0n or for simple searches
      Most people dont know where to get software like firefox or spyware removal - let alone even know it exists
      Microsoft will either bundle it for free, increasing the value of their OS (again most people don't know about alternatives) or MS will charge for it, making more $$ - in the end, average joe will think MS is their hero for saving them from spyware (o the irony)

    2. Re:Hate to break it to Microsoft... by pla · · Score: 5, Informative

      but there's already plenty of free alternatives out there

      I personally have always used (and liked) AdAware and Spybot, and as much as I hate to admit this about purely commercial software... I recently had a chance to try Giant.

      Slower than a DOJ antitrust proceeding against Microsoft, and takes a similarly budensome level of system resources (100% CPU for over half an hour on a Pentium-M 1.7GHz!), but damned if it didn't find two problems both AA and SB had completely missed (completely as in, not just left inactive fragments lying around, but real live active spyware).


      Also, just stop using Internet Explorer. That move right there will cut down at least 90% of all spyware/adware.

      Agree completely. The above-mentioned two problems that Giant caught - Well, let me first say that I use Mozilla almost exclusively, only loading MSIE (in a maximally-locked-down configuration) perhaps once a month for sites that absolutely will not work (even with the user agent switcher add-on) in Moz/FF. And both the spies that Giant caught had latched on to MSIE.

      Sad. I mean, good to see MS address (one of) their current major weaknesses; but sad that they would use something comparable to an antivirus scanner rather than just fix the security flaws that lead to massive spyware infestations in the first place.

      What ever happened to SP2 as the end-all to MS's security flaws?

    3. Re:Hate to break it to Microsoft... by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Funny
      just tell that to the normal users that simply use their computer for pr0n
      All you have to do is advertise it correctly:
      • BARELY LEGAL web browser -- stops spam!!

      • ur WIFE says she wants your big MOZILLA!
        watch firefox PLUG every security HOLE at the same time
  4. Reads like a bad translation by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft's upcoming anti-spyware software recently acquired community favorite Giant spyware

    What? Microsoft's anti-spyware software acquired a company? I wasn't aware software could own something, although you can certainly use software to own something - usually windows.

    Editors, is it too much to ask that you edit?

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  5. Unacceptable! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a resident of Atlanta, I resent and am offended by this nomenclature. Where do I file my complaint?

  6. Wait two weeks... by SilverspurG · · Score: 4, Funny

    And some malicious website will have an exploit which turns this anti-spyware into a remote code execution tool.

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  7. If it works.. by skinfitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it works, is free and can be deployed and controlled via Active Directory GPOs I am going to be a happy man for the enterprise.

    Anyone know if it IS going to be free?

  8. Re:And the motto to go with it... by symbolic · · Score: 5, Funny

    "They won't be spying, because we will.

  9. Heh by bharatk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oxymoron (n) A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in Microsoft Anti-Spyware.

  10. Interesting Move by bogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I find this interesting because traditionally Microsoft has always had an open door policy about which software can be installed on Windows. There are many pieces of software that legitimate companies install which users and many anti-spyware companies consider spyware and thus remove. Microsoft up until this point has had no public policy on semi-legit software which users have unwittingly been installing. So now here we have MS now denying them the ability to install their semi-legit software. Will they now be able to sue MS for keeping them off of the Windows platform? Did ms tweak the rules so that companies like Claria can continue to push Gator?

    Think about that for a moment. There is plenty of malicious software out there but there is also plenty of "grey" software which drives users nuts but is in reality legal. Is it ok for software to change a user's homepage and install fake ad killers? Can companies no longer sell software which preys on users who are used to quickly hitting the OK button? I'd be interested to know what ISV's Microsoft is now for the first time denying access to Windows even though they develop semi-legit software. Are big legal battles about the start up?

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  11. And so as I type this... by Incoming9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. thousands of mallicious coders are linning up to grab a copy of their newest target.

  12. Re:wow... good job at nothing by MoralHazard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did it ever occur to you that they might have modified code other than the UI? Maybe there are non-visible changes to the scanning engine or something, perhaps to enhance the integration with the Windows OS?

    Imagine for a moment that the computer is doing more than painting pretty pictures on your monitor (that's the TV-thing on top). Could we agree that a program intended to detect spyware could be substantially modified without altering the appearance to the user?

    How did this get modded as "informative"?

    Oh, that's right--he bashed MS. Sorry.

  13. Re:How long until the EU considers this a monopoly by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    "well MS created the market in the first place, so they should at least be allowed to profit from it :)"

    Heh. Yep, just like Honda should profit from the car theft market.

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  14. Re:wow... good job at nothing by jpetts · · Score: 4, Funny

    Exactly: the reason they bought Connectix, not VMWare, was that Microsoft and Connectix are both nine letter: they wouldn't need to deal with any pesky offset differences when they did a global search and replace...

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  15. This is kind of stupid... by realmolo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The solution to the spyware/malware problem is simple, as demonstrated by Firefox-

    Disable ActiveX controls.

    Is there any legitimate reason for a non-intranet website to use them? Whenever a site requires ActiveX controls to work, I think "Boy, they hired an bunch of idiots to design their site."

    They should just modify IE so that ActiveX flat-out doesn't work on any site that isn't explicitly and MANUALLY allowed to by the user or network admin.

  16. SP2 still enables AX by default by steve_l · · Score: 5, Interesting

    on a clean SP2 build (that is the MSDN WinXP+SP2 all in one install), Prompted ActiveX download is still enabled for the internet zone.

    If you turn that off, windows update stops working, as http[s]:*.microsoft.com is in that zone.

    I dont call that locking down the browser, To secure IE (even if you only use it for windows update)

    1. disable AX download in internet zone

    2, edit trusted zone site security to medium. Like you ever need a 'run anything, unprompted' zone.

    3. add https:*.microsoft.com and http:*.microsoft.com to the trust zone

    4. uncheck the 'require https in trusted zone' switch

    the aim is to redefine "trusted" from "total access" to "prompted download active X controls", which is a serious enough undertaking that I dont want to enable it broadly. Only MS sites and spyware vendors seem to use it, after all.

  17. can't remove "69.20.16.183 ieautosearch" from host by blackest_k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well if Microsoft is doing anything to help against spyware it has got to be of some use.

    There is a new extreme piece of spyware which seems to have surfaced in the last month.
    http://forum.iamnotageek.com/t-78554-1.html
    is the start of a very interesting thread concerning what seems to be the latest generation of spyware.
    some of the things that it does include generating randomly named dll's
    restarting processes that have been killed, runs IE even in safe mode, drags in a whole raft of other spyware to confuse things and leaves the PC it infects after unsuccessful removal unable to connect to the internet.

    This thing is really nasty.

    I am pretty sure I was dealing with a case of this yesterday. When adaware was installed and ran on a pc with XP service pack2 It triggered a Reboot due to a failure in dcom with a 1 minute countdown. The worst part was after cleaning with adaware the Pc was unable to connect to the internet unable to get an address from the router.

    Manually configuring a network address and setting 192.168.2.1 as the gateway got the network working to the lan pc's.
    The router could be pinged successfully but it wasn't possible to reach 192.168.2.1 through firefox netscape or IE to check the router status.
    and after several hours of trying this pc refused to connect to the internet.

    After banging my head against this brickwall over a period of about 12 hours the only solution was to reinstall XP.

    This is the worst spyware I have ever seen, according to the thread the initial attack seems to have occured after a search for the song "over and over" by nelly although a precise location of the source of this infection isn't known.

    If you have to deal with spyware on a regular basis check this thread out because you are not going to solve this one just by running adaware and spybot S&D.

    http://forum.iamnotageek.com/t-78554-3.html

    This latest spyware really should be submitted as a story on slashdot it is very new, very nasty and it is going to infect a lot of Pc's.

    Please mod this up or investigate this yourself and Post about it.
    because this is going to be a major disruption to Pc users everywhere, especially with it's defence of blocking the Pc's internet connection when you attempt to remove it.