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Mobile Users Plug-in Anywhere They Can

jasonla writes "The New York Times looks at mobile technology users who leech power from restaurant and airport outlets while on the road. The article looks at the habits and 'culture' of people who use portable devices -- such as laptops, iPods and cellphones -- and what the businesses think of power hungry customers." As interesting as the phenomena of customers leeching power from the businesses they frequent is the self-imposed etiquette of many users.

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  1. what about the other leachers? by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    people who use a businesses' air, light and even gravity?

    1. Re:what about the other leachers? by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've been modded offtopic, but I'll support you in this, at least up to a point.

      The fact is that restaurants arn't really in the food industry, they are in the entertainment and hospitality industry. Food just happens to be a major part of their entertainment and hospitality offerings, but not even necessarily the biggest part.

      Being treated well by the staff is very important and part of the atmosphere and ammenities that people go to a restaurant for (otherwise they could just go buy a bunch of bananas and chunck of cheese from a local mart, for a fraction the price).

      Electricty, in the form of lighting, TV sets, radios, video games and other necessaries are part of parcel of the ammenities they offer that people go there for. Now those ammenities include a place to plug in your laptop. It isn't "leeching," it's what they are there for, and paying for.

      Dear restaurant industry. Your custormer's needs are changing. Give them what they want. Tack a stupid quarter onto the bill if it makes you feel better.

      Those of you that fucking cope will turn out to be the winners.

      KFG

    2. Re:what about the other leachers? by wernercd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hooking lights up to your neighbors? You need new neighbors if they charge you for coming over then.

      That analogy is baloney. If I got down to starbucks and want to use my computer while drinking their coffee or hot coco, how is it stealing when I pay to use their premises? If it costs more for them to operate because of this, then they should raise their prices.

      Two companies: Company A lets me use their outlets, Company B don't. Company A gets my buisness and my money. It's not like pirating a game and the company don't get paid.

      stealing... pffft... Not when I'm buying stuff from there. If they don't want my buisness then they can remove/cover the outlets and I'll speak with my money.

    3. Re:what about the other leachers? by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      So what does that make Mc Choke 'n Puke then?

      A drive-by window. When you see their window, just keep driving by.

      KFG

    4. Re:what about the other leachers? by Loco3KGT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buying something from a company doesn't entitle you to use every single resource they have while you're there. It only entitles you to consume your product while you're there. However, they may OPT to give you the PRIVILEGE to use other resources, such as power hookups.

      Starbucks is in the business of providing gourmet coffee bean derivatives in a seemingly up-scale environment. The fact that people decide to bring their laptops, jack in, and suck power, wasn't their choice. However, they've chosen to embrace it because that's their market, caffeine addicted self-proclaimed "writers", geeks, etc. You know, "those people."

      So, that being said, the rule now is the same rule from 100 years ago - If you didn't pay for something or don't have the express permission to use/take it, your are most likely stealing it.

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    5. Re:what about the other leachers? by TheLoneCabbage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      dig it brother:

      I spent 20 years doing everything in resteraunts from cleaning toilets to managing.

      Now I was never fond of customers who would sit there smoking for 4hrs after their meal. But I'd kill to keep those bar flies stuck to their stools for another 2 beers.

      When the vote came up to ban smoking in public places in Florida, every resteraunt owner (not the bars)was tripping over him/herself to pass it (one resteraunt couldn't do it, cause smokers would leave, but if they all did it at the same time.. It's not just cause we were tired if scrubbing tar off the ceilngs, or it stinking the place up. It was that smokers hands and mouths are bussy as they smoke. There for there is nothing for them to buy. And they are still sucking up space, air, and waitresses.

      Now some guy on a laptop is a different matter all together. They take frequent breaks, and are continuously buying coffee, and snacks.

      In one case we had a russian buisness man (I kid you not) called Borris. He made us his office. From 10am till 7pm he was there every day. Yelling and cursing on his cellphone, playing his game boy, and pounding at his note book. He must have been into us for $75 a day. We made the food and coffee to order for him. We named a sandwich after him. We added an espresso machine for him. (ok so other customers drank the espresso too). Borris is not that unusuall, especialy with the Starbucks example. And what ever it took to make him happy we did, because we never would spend more than he did.

      Electricity is cheap. And 10 laptops will cost me less than running 1 big screen TV.

      It's not stealing, if your a patron. If you come in, clog the toilet, juice your laptop, and don't leave a single cent behind, then your a leach. But your in the minority, by far. It's worth it.

    6. Re:what about the other leachers? by Thuktun · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Dear restaurant industry. Your custormer's needs are changing. Give them what they want. Tack a stupid quarter onto the bill if it makes you feel better.

      This is true of more than the restaurant industry. More and more consumer-facing industries are turning on their own customers because the customers are behaving different from what they like or expect.

      Some examples that jump out at me:
      • RIAA and MPAA suing small-time copyright infringers instead of changing their business models to cater to digerati.
      • Best Buy leading the way in its sector by trying to exclude the 20% of its customers that they find troublesome.
      I'm sure there are some I'm forgetting, but I'm just now consuming my morning caffeine.
    7. Re:what about the other leachers? by homer_ca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Starbucks is in the business of providing gourmet coffee bean derivatives in a seemingly up-scale environment"

      Actually Starbucks follows the tradition of European cafes where you can buy a fancy coffee drink and sit as long as you want to read, socialize or whatever, like a non-alcoholic bar. American restaurants follow more the food service model, and they're more likely to hurry you out after you've finished eating (or at a bar clear away your empties and ask if you want more drinks). One European commented that the waitresses in bars are nice and attentive because they keep coming back to ask if we're OK. I had to explain "Are you OK?" really means "Do you need more drinks?". :-)

  2. Step 3, Profit by pnevin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In some cases, those staking a claim do so by plugging in a device - even a $2,000 laptop - only to leave it unattended while fetching a $4 coffee.

    ... as their insurer takes care of that pesky dead battery problem.

  3. I have to admit.... by Michael+Dorfman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have to admit that I do this all the time, especially in airports-- and it is getting harder and harder to find places to recharge.

  4. Leeching???? by Herby+Werby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't bat an eye at helping yourself to serviettes or sugar but a little juice gets a 'leeching' tag?

    1. Re:Leeching???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Napkins, you limey bastard.

  5. Not like it really COSTS anything. by Archeopteryx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Geeze, you could have a cafe full of plugged in laptop users and still not have this cost you 25 cents an hour.

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    1. Re:Not like it really COSTS anything. by MrRuslan · · Score: 5, Funny

      hmm...thats not a bad idea...perhaps they should make parking meeter style outlets for 25 cents a per half hour with a 2 hour limit...and 10 minutes and with a 30 minute limit in Manhatan. Quick someone patent that!

  6. Charging an iPod? That's NOTHING by multipartmixed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in January 1998, when a good hunk of Canada had no power due to an ice storm, I couldn't go to work because we had no power at the office. I also had no power at home, and was bored out of my tree.

    So, I grabbed a pair of APC BackUPS 400s, threw them in a knapsack, and walked to the local pub (which DID have power). Plugged 'em in, had a few beers, walked home, watched TV; repeat.

    I tell ya, though, my back was kinda sore. Those things ain't made to be portable!

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    1. Re:Charging an iPod? That's NOTHING by Taladar · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, there are these things called 'books' that work without power I've heard...

  7. On permission by The+Slashdotted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whenever I've visited a resturant, I've asked permission 99% of the time.. unless it's an emergency. (What's an emergency to you?) I've been turned down some times, but remind them you'll buy more, or *gasp* pay a dollar or two for the privelige.. Once in Arby's I was denied permission, and got a wierd look.. Then the manager thought better, said not to put the cord of the floor, and I bought food to go.

  8. Not really a problem, giving the billing structure by lxt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As far as cost goes, it shouldn't really be too much of a problem for many businesses, assuming they are charged on the same basis as the power companies do here in the UK. Companies (at least, the theatres I work in) are not charged according to the number of units used, but by the maximum amount of power they use during the billing period. For example, during a theatre show we use a hell of a lot of power, and the power companies takes this peak rate and charges us across the board at that rate. I don't know whether this is just limited to certain businesses.

  9. It's not leeching by nucal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I'm having an overpriced cup of coffee at Starbucks and paying for WiFi, they damn well better let me plug in ...

  10. Blown-Air Hand Driers: enough juice for... by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    what, 50 laptops? The point is, public-ish facilities that want or depend on public traffic don't lose much by being accommodating, and no doubt generate some good will among the lithium-ion set. The guy that uses a lot more paper towels or flushes twice in a public bathroom is chewing up a LOT more overheard than the lady who's trickle-charging her laptop (let alone her cellphone).

    I'd say the bigger cost is the risk of liability when one Starbucks customer trips over the power cord of another customer's laptop. You know, the one the user has stretched from the pillar in the middle of the room over to his table, where he's /.ing

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  11. Re:Pah! by acariquara · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good call. I don't know how's stuff in Yankeeville, but here in Brazil it's commonplace in airports, for example, to have tables with lots of electrical outlets specifically for the purpose of charging cellphones and laptops for on-the-go users. No charge. And it's not even inside a coffeehouse or whatever, it's clearly marked at the waiting room.

    I guess courtesy is out of order at the good ol' US of A.

    (and no, this is not a troll, more a rant...)

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  12. Re:Pah! by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the good ol' US of A, the main point is that it's up to the person who owns the table/outlet/electricity to decide who gets to use it and how. Now, if that business thinks their bottom line is getting eaten alive by people charging cell phones, they're crazy. However: it's up to them to decide that.

    The other thing that we have in the US of A is a long history of watching foolish businesses go OUT of business. That's the miracle of capitalism! Sounds like Brazil already gets it (in terms of businesses providing these services), but I'd rather that we talk in terms of the companies involved getting it or not, not the country.

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  13. Virgin Trains by pklong · · Score: 5, Informative


    Here in the UK Virgin has been putting power outlets for charging up phones and laptops next to all the seats in their new trains.

    So you could go on a pleasure trip and charge up (but given the state of the UK rail system that might not be a good idea if you need to make it to something on time. )

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  14. Leeching? OH, how terrible! by jlehtira · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cellphones, ipods and even portable computers are not that power hungry that it would matter. I consider using the power outlets included in what I pay for coffee, airport tax or whatever. Just like I don't pay extra for breathing air from businesses' ventilator systems (which probably costs more than the power). If some business doesn't like me charging my laptop, I choose to go elsewhere.

    For reference, my portable computer's battery is rated 14.8V, 4400mAh. That roughly equals 65 watt-hours. The biggest cost of electricity I found is 9 cents per kWh, so filling the battery from empty to full would cost less than 0.6 cents. I will gladly pay 0.6 cents extra to use my laptop wherever I go, if asked for.

  15. Re:Not really a problem, giving the billing struct by Shisha · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think there is another important issue: safety. If your device short circuits the airport power network and then it takes 20 minutes before someone finds the circuit breaker then people are not going to be happy. And what if your device screws up someones laptop? (I know this is _really_ unlikely) The UK solution is that all electrical devices plugged in any sort of public socket (e.g. libraries) should be tested for safety, whenever they're more than one year old.

    I'd imagine that airports have two or three different level of electricity grid one for the "totally essential" and one for all the shops adverts and Christmas trees.

    As for the electricity bill: if I'm at the airport and everything is running on time then batteries in my laptop last long enough. If my flight gets delayed by 7 hours like it did the last time then I feel I have the right to use some electricity, for all the airport taxes I have paid. Even if that means unplugging some Christmas tree.

    And if any employee of the airport wants to come and argue about this then he's welcome: I have 7 hours to spare and I'm pretty annoyed to begin with.

  16. Moons Over My Hammy and a movie.... by Mork29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My friends and I would specifically go to Denny's instead of the IHOP across the street, because they had a booth with an outlet. We would plug in and watch movies while we ate and hung out. It was 3am so nobody minded us hogging a booth, and the manager would come and sit with us and watch the movie when it was slow enough or the movie was good enough. We cost them $.50 in electricity and made them much more than that in business. I don't feal guilty for it....and the manager never minded....

    1. Re:Moons Over My Hammy and a movie.... by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 4, Informative
      You didn't cost them $0.5. They spent more on the water you used going to the toilet two or three times. If they had hand driers, that electricity cost them more than your laptop did.

      They used more energy brewing your coffee refill than your laptop did. (Note to Starbucks victims---normal restaurants often provide "bottomless" cups of coffee for the price of a single cup, typically less than a dollar and a half).

      If it was winter when you did this, you cost them more energy by opening the door to walk into the restaurant in the first place. Then again, you're providing them with 0.1kW of heat just by existing, so maybe you should be charging them.

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  17. Node Coffee Shop offers free electricity!! by Mazrim_Ta · · Score: 5, Informative

    I own Node Coffee Shop in Milwaukee, WI (open 24 hours). When I built the cafe I had the electrician put in quad outlets every 6-8 feet around the shop so that customers would never have to fight over a power outlet. Every seat has an outlet. No other cafe in the area can boast that kind of setup. I dont believe it costs us very much more as far as operating expenses go, but it does increase our profits as we get a lot of customers who come to our establishment because we have such great access. Check us out if you are ever in the Milwaukee area! http://www.nodecoffee.com/

  18. Non issue by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok lets see now: My iBook charger outputs 24.5v @ 1.875A. Based on an electricity price of 5.5p per KHW (I plucked that from the first thing I could google) which is pretty high and probably lower for commercial outlets.. anyway i digress.. thats 0.003p per hour. Now lets take an average cup of Starbucks and break it down:

    Price: ~£2.50
    Costs: ~£0.80

    and there for the amount of time I would need to sit there charging my laptop before they started loosing money:

    ~680 hours or about 1 month!

    Obviously that makes some assumptions:
    a) I would only buy one cup off coffee for the whole month and would live off drinking out of the toilet for the rest of the time (an improvement)

    b) They probably wouldnt let me stay overnight

    and

    c) I would actually have to go to Starbucks for more than an hour - the time after which you can no-longer stand its nuvo art fake prints and dirty seats.

    This is so no big deal, its in all these places interests to just let people plug their laptop in for an hour or so, the WiFi and coffee price will more than make up for it.

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  19. A different view by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Much of the mounting quest for power stems, some hardware manufacturers say, from battery performance that has generally not kept up with the rapidly expanding capabilities of today's consumer electronics.

    Or alternativily you could argue that todays consumer electronics haven't designed their products well enough to take into account the clearly known limitations of current battery technology (it's not like the mainstream market has changed very much recently). Sure they've made efforts, but the direction has been (until recently) on bigger, better, faster and more powerful rather than lower heat output and reduced power consumption.

    Or you could blame product managers and consumers. One for actually considering that a product with a 3 hour battery life is marketable and the other for actually proving them right.

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  20. Re:Two things. by kjamez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i'd say (without RingTFA) that a lot of the concern is just that you do sit there and drink only 2 coffee's in a hour. at 3 pounds/euros/dollars, it's not that same as if it was a bottomless cup of drip brew for 1 euro/dollar/pound. you are taking up a whole seat, but probably actually taking up a whole booth with your papers and laptop ... a booth that could better accomodate 3 people each buying 3 euro coffee's and only planning on staying for their cigarette, and going back to their workplace.

    i have a hard time believing that shops are concerned with the minimal ammounts of power cellphones and laptop requires, but when you camp out with them waiting for your device to power up fully, you are costing them 'geniune' revenue (unless you are producing it for them, by having a meal over that span of your two hours).

    personally, not being able to smoke in coffee shops (most, in america i've found, especially the west [i call it the 'left'] coast) prevents me from spending any real ammount of time in them (20 minutes for two coffee's, and probably only one to go) ...

    it's the same reason mcdonald's chairs are so uncomfortable: they don't want you there. not just you (the geek with the laptop), anyone. they want you to drive through, or eat and get the hell out, cause more people could be sitting there ...

    It's a bit of a fuss about nothing. Quote: "Somebody's got to pay for that electricity." Yes, the customer. They might say "if everybody came in and did it..." well, for 12 hours, there are 10 people drawing 100W, that's 12kWh, that's about 70p for the day. Boohoo.

    again, not about the electricity: and 40 pounds/hr lost to the booth(s) lost by people camping and treating a restaurant as a workplace.

    now i fully appreciate all the wifi spots about, and places like that are fully EXPECTING people to stay put for a few hours (hourly wifi access), but shops with less than 15 chairs are not making a fortune (or possibly even survivng) by having you work in a corner all afternoon.

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  21. Denied at a Conference by phlack · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I was attending HP World 2004 in Chicago last year. I plugged into the wall to try to get into their wifi network that they set up throughout the center. Well a rather self-important (and large) convention center security guard came up and barked at me, saying I'm not allowed to plug it, because they don't provide free electricity. This was at a COMPUTER CONFERENCE! (yeah, I'm sure that laptop cost them plenty to power, compared to the escalator next to me that was running to a floor not being used) Ironically, I was also with a convention IT staffer, as well as a conference staffer, trying to help me out with something, and neither one of them could talk sense into the guy. They did both agree to talk to their various supervisors about it; dunno if it did any good.

    I spoke with one of the leaders of the conference about it (figuring I wasn't the only one who got yelled out), and she told me it was most likely due to union issues...the union apparently was very strong there and the conference staff wasn't allowed to pull any cables...they needed union convention center staffers to do it. What that has to do with me plugging in a personal laptop is beyond me. Should I have gotten a union rep to do it instead?

    I'll chalk it up to lack of intelligence on the guard's part, but I had no further problems. 'Course, whenever I saw that guy, I immediately unplugged.

  22. WTF?! by EvilStein · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a friggin 24/7 coffee shop in MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN but I cannot find *any* here in the goddamn SILICON VALLEY. There is something seriously wrong with this picture. :P

    "Heart of technology" my ass. This dump sucks. I'm going to Wisconsin!

  23. Re:Pah! by RichardX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I used to steal electricity.. at first it was just the occasional pocketful, but it soon escalated. Before I knew it I was running carloads of electricity across the border at a time, running a major smuggling operation and selling to some of the underworld's most shadowy consumers of electricity.. it's a slippery slope, I'd advise you to stay well clear

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  24. Yes, they pay for other things, including air by marcus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Restaurants definitely pay for their air.

    The air you breathe is processed, filtered, temperature and humidity regulated. That costs money and customers are people who are willing to pay for "atmosphere" which usually does include special lighting.

    They pay for water, for toilets, for square footage.

    That gravity that's holding your ass to the seat, that's called "real estate". Underneath your fat ass is dirt and that is where the gravity comes from.

    What's so far off the mark? Another poster noted that restaurants are in the service industry, not the food industry. He is exactly on target. Power is just another potential service that they can market just like any utility(service) company. Hell, they could even improve the power and advertise "uninterruptible" for a premium if they thought there was a market for it.

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  25. Re:Turnabout is fair play... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For everyone who thinks this is OK, how about putting an extension cord out your window and publishing your address.

    When I walk into someone's house with my laptop, I immediately plug it in. They don't mind. They invited me into their home, and use of all the facilities (bathrooms and power plugs included). When I'm invited into a business, I'm also given free use of the restrooms, so why not the power outlets as well? Use of the restroom is much greater cost than plugging in a laptop for the duration of my stay.

    When you invite people into your house, do you charge them to use the bathroom? Do you charge them to get a glass of water? Would you charge them to plug in a cell phone? If so, you must not have any friends, if not, why would you expect to be treated more poorly when invited in by a business?