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New Apple IT Pro Section

aqsalter writes "Apple has finally created a new section for information from an IT Professionals viewpoint, with articles about all the good stuff. Previously Apple shied away from having any obvious IT focus, but it seems Apple are acknowledging their influence in the IT sphere, with two high-profile HPC clusters and enterprise class tools for managing open source technologies."

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  1. About time! by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is really long overdue. Apple has been an force for innovation in the desktop market since its inception, but they've never been taken all that seriously in the enterprise-class server market until recently. This shows that Apple really does want to be taken seriously.

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  2. Nobody ever reads the article... by IO+ERROR · · Score: 4, Informative
    Since you probably didn't RTFA, here's some more good stuff:

    Security Guide for OS X - by the U.S. National Security Agency
    Email virus protection - setup SpamAssassin, ClamAV and Amavisd-new with Postfix on OS X
    Linux Magazine gives OS X five penguins

    The nice thing about this site, as a developer, is that everything I was looking for regarding OS X is all here. Tools, manuals, FAQs, discussion boards, you name it, it's here.

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  3. Re:Nice :) by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apple really needs to change some old die-hard views before it can really penitrate most corporate IT systems.

    Most of the IT guys I know, who are calling the shots, are Windows only. Mention a Mac and they cringe.

    At one school I teach at the IT admin has to put up with Macs, because we have a recording studio. Me (ESL teacher) and the music teacher also bring in our Mac laptops from time to time, which he hates. I find it strange that the music computer lab only has PCs, when it would be better for the students to have some Macs. However, with the current IT admin, there will not be any Macs there soon.

    I actually keep hoping that a student will infest the network with a virsus or worm. Then I and the music teacher can say, "You know, if the server and lab boxes were Macs. You wouldn't have this problem."

  4. Another useful site... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    A good site for managing OS X servers that seems to be getting better all the time is http://www.afp548.com/. I'm not affiliated with them btw, but it's worth checking out if this is your business.

  5. If you have a hammer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    every problem is a nail.

    Historically, Apple had its own operating system(s) developed in-house. Creating enterprise systems would have been a huge extra burden for them. Now, their os is basically _nix. Existing enterprise systems can be easily integrated with Apple's stuff.

    Bottom line: Apple can more easily do this now and so they are doing it.

  6. Re:404 by blowdart · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well the server it's on was configured not to leak any information.

  7. Re:Nice :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    I actually keep hoping that a student will infest the network with a virsus or worm. Then I and the music teacher can say, "You know, if the server and lab boxes were Macs. You wouldn't have this problem."

    Great idea! Cause there's nothing IT admins love more than being told how to do their job!

  8. That does it !! by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm switching to Windows !

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  9. Re:404 by Thebogey · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can find the doc if you go here: http://www.nsa.gov/snac/downloads_macX.cfm

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  10. Why does everybody love Apply for HPC? by Liquid-Gecka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always wonder why Apple seems to be so popular for HPC? I mean, Apple makes good hardware and a very nice OS an all, but each compute node is so expensive that it doesn't seem worth it. To buy an compute node with roughly the same power costs half as much if you use Xeon or Athlon processors with support contracts with a large company. I had to design several clusters with a price limit of of $120,000. We could get 45-60 Apple boxes, or 240 Intel boxes. Yes the Xeon boxes where slower, but with almost 5 times as many boxes you get 5 times the memory, 5 times the disk space per node, and such. If your program is that processor dependant (or can't scale beyond a few nodes) you can run several copies at once. The power consumption of an Apple was almost the same as an Intel last I heard and the heat produced is almost exactly the same. Granted over several dozen/hundred nodes this can be a difference but it doesn't seem like nearly enough to make it worth $2k a node.

    So my question is this. What makes Apple worth the money as a compute node? (I am not asking for desktops and such, only compute nodes) Anybody out there have a chance to do the purchasing for an Apple cluster? We always come back to Intel because of the cost so it would be nice to see the other side of the coin.

    1. Re:Why does everybody love Apply for HPC? by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Time = Money and the Apple solution saves you a LOT of time.

    2. Re:Why does everybody love Apply for HPC? by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually the Virginia tech cluster cost WAY less than any of the other clusters of similar speed - a mere $5,000,000 compared to $380,000,000 for similar speed clusters made from x86 boxen. The G5 is a stonking chip - especially for what these guys want to do - lots of floating point work.

    3. Re:Why does everybody love Apply for HPC? by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      After having worked with XGrid for a few months, I would say because Apple recognizes that the time and difficulty to set the thing up and the dedicated staff you have to pay are also costs, and they make their stuff 5 times as easier to set up as their competitors.

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  11. I hear they're coming out with a new product... by bloggins02 · · Score: 5, Funny

    iT :)

  12. But will they be less secritive? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    While I admit Apple makes quality products and IT could really use systems of that quality. But the primary problems preventing costomers to switch to Apple are the following...
    1. Vendor Lock in: When you switch to Apple for an IT strategy you will be stuck with it. And switching to an other platform is expensive. Sure right now Apple is making good quality products but down the line some other platform may exceed the quality in a large scale. Much like the Macs of the Early to Mid 90s where the Classic OS while once was top of the line started to be come antiquated, and just couldn't adapt to today needs weel. You buy the Apple Computer most likely you will be using OS X (Yea Yea you can use Linux but there is a lot of stuff not proven to work on PPC), so in the future when Apple sucks again you will be faced with a daunting upgrade task. This is the reason why Microsoft is so big, and the reason why Linux is so strong. With Windows and Linux you can buy whatever hardware and still keep the same software, reducing the risk of needing a major upgrade. With apple you are stuck with apple.
    2. Only Apple knows what the future holds:Apple loves to make the big press release and get all the people drooling at their new product. Companies want to be able to plan for things usually a year in advance. So if there is going to be a 5 ghz G5 coming out within a year or so they want to know that so they can budget the upgrade or wait an other year.
    3. Short life cycles: Wow those G4 Powermacs didn't last long. And when their supplies run out that is the end of them other then buying them used on ebay. Some companies may not need to have the best of the best. They often want to extend there system life to 4-10 years between upgrades. We need to be able to get parts for these system when they break, and not just extra harddrive spare Processors, motherboards, video cards. Basically all the stuff to make a Mac by itself.

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    1. Re:But will they be less secritive? by njfuzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      G4 PowerMacs didn't last long?!

      They went from 350 MHz in 1999, to dual 1.42 in 2003. Honestly, most Mac users think that was too long, not too short.

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    2. Re:But will they be less secritive? by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree with you on everything except the short life cycles. We have a number of 1999/2000 era g4 powermacs running OS 10.2/3 happily running Illustrator CS, Photoshop CS and Quark 6.

      These machines are slow by todays standards, but they *work*, and reliably. The only upgrades they've seen are extra memory and firewire hard disks.

      This is a lot more than I can say about any of the > 3 year old PCs at my office. Some of those machines can barely boot XP, much less run office effectively.

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    3. Re:But will they be less secritive? by theoneknuckles · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If it's not Apple hardware then it's Microsoft software lock in. The entire argument in this paragraph is ridicules - "so in the future when Apple sucks again", so you're implying that PC hardware has NEVER sucked? Ever? Apple hardware dating back to the Mac SE are still in use today. It has a GUI and can connect to the web WITH NO MODIFICATIONS! Can *you* run Windows 95 on a 286 today? No, even if you could you'd be cheating because Win95 was not available when the 286 came out. If I am correct, the ONLY way to run a webserver on 286 hardware is to use the Minix web server, created by Andrew Tanenbaum - Linus Torvalds TEACHER!

      See:

      Mac SE Server
      Webserver Mac SE
      Another Mac SE Server

      ( The SE is a 68000 Motorola running at 8mhz on 4MB of ram. So if you can *avoid* clicking the last link directly *today* I'm sure the owner would appricate it. )

      As for short life cycles - oh please. I've was using a G4 single CPU then a G4 dual CPU for 3 yrs before the G5 came out. The G4 was a VERY long life cycle for a CPU.

      As for getting parts, in my 20+ yrs with Apple hardware I have NEVER replaced anything other than hard drives which have ALWAYS been stock (and NOT made by Apple). OMG this is a pointless argument. Where do you misinformed twats come from anyway? It's a never ending story with you WinTel people is it?

    4. Re:But will they be less secritive? by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Vendor Lock in: When you switch to Apple for an IT strategy you will be stuck with it."

      How is this different from *anyone* else? You think my company can easily migrate away from our combination of AD, Notes, Outlook, and EMC? At least Apple's products are, for the most part, based on open-source products, so you could go from OS X to any other *nix pretty easily. Apple may be no better than anyone else, but they're certainly no worse. To claim otherwise is absurd.

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    5. Re:But will they be less secritive? by alc6379 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That's not what is meant by short life cycles. I've got a (circa 1989) Mac IIci with a 40mhz 68040 processor, 48MB RAM, and a 2GB hard drive. It's chugging along happily; does that mean it's got a really, really long life cycle?

      No.

      Long life cycles mean that there will be parts and support available from the OEM. I don't want to buy an expensive server and find out that next year I won't be able to replace a motherboard/cpu on it because the new G6 is out, and they don't make the G5's anymore.

      The actual life of a system can far extend the life cycle of a machine. I could well go on for another 5+ years with my 15 year old IIci, but that's not to say I can go to Apple for a motherboard replacement in 2010 when the thing finally dies on me.

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    6. Re:But will they be less secritive? by larkost · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1. Windows isn't a vendor lock in? And with the exception of some binary-only ODBC drivers I really haven't run into much that dosenot compile on PPC for linux and OpenBSD/NetBSD (not to mention Darwin). The problems are comparable to the myrid of problems when you start to look over the different linux distro's out there.

      Apple has always made it a point to be interoperable with as much as they can, so you are not really "locked in" to a single platform like Windows tries to do. Apple computers have read PC disks for well over a decade, and PC's still don't read Mac disks. Who is locking you in?

      Apple's major software has always been cross-platform: AppleWorks, QuickTime, WebObjects, iTunes (ok, a subset of QuickTime). And they tend to use standards far more than Microsoft (thus mitigating lock-in).

      2. Care to tell me what will be coming out from Dell in 6 months? Can you give me their price-list? Or are you talking about the features of Longhorn... or it's ship date? How useful is that information when you know it is not going to be remotely close to true.

      People expect things out of Apple that they don't expect out of other companies (or fool themselves into thinking they are getting).

      3. The G4's were out for a while... Apple just moved the marketing name to G5 now. There were several different versions of the G4 processor in there. Just like there is a long list of very different processors that bear the Pentium 4 name... that too is simply a marketing name (and also don't fit in the same [processor sockets/slots).

      If you are talking about service hardware, Apple has a service department that keeps on-hand hardware for a long time. While working for a repair shop I was always amazed at the old stuff that we could get. It cost a lot... but if you need it it is there.

      And lets be honest. Do you think that a 4 year old Dell motherboard is more easily replaced than an Apple board? It is just as specific. The hard drives, memory, and processors (look at the Mac upgrade market) and all just as available (since they are mostly the same parts). And the graphics cards may have a smaller selection, but they are readily available.

      The 4-10 years between upgrades is going to make Mac's much more valuable... they tend to last better than PC's (both from a usability and a durability standpoint). Just look at schools for that, they are using ancient Apple hardware next to brand new PC hardware... guess which gets more maintenance calls?

      The real reason that IT has not made the switch is inertia. The people in IT have their certifications from Microsoft... that is why they got the job. They don't know anything about maintain an Apple computer, and it would be work to educate themselves. So even if the results would be better, they don't feel the need to do so, and have some incentive to try and prevent it.

    7. Re:But will they be less secritive? by droleary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Vendor Lock in: When you switch to Apple for an IT strategy you will be stuck with it. And switching to an other platform is expensive.

      How is this less true for any other platform? It's not like Linux has dismantled the MS monopoly overnight, and it's not like Linux is cheap enough (despite being free) to have people defecting in droves.

      With Windows and Linux you can buy whatever hardware and still keep the same software, reducing the risk of needing a major upgrade. With apple you are stuck with apple.

      Complete BS. You can only use the hardware your OS supports. Buying a USB+Bluetooth motherboard doesn't magically make your PS/2+serial compiled kernel work with it. You're only "stuck" by your limits of migration planning.

      Companies want to be able to plan for things usually a year in advance. So if there is going to be a 5 ghz G5 coming out within a year or so they want to know that so they can budget the upgrade or wait an other year.

      More rubbish. Please point out all the other companies out there that are decimating their sales by announcing things they won't be shipping for 3 quarters. Hint: there are none. Unlike you, they all learned the Osborne lesson. You'll get roadmaps, but Apple's "progression" roadmap exists, too, and isn't too hard to puzzle out. What they don't give you is an "innovation" roadmap, partly because they're one of the only companies that does major innovation on the desktop, and partly because pre-announcing leads to expectations that might not be so interesting by the time they ship. I mean, before they announced Spotlight I hadn't heard about anyone doing desktop search, and now it seems like everyone and their mother are trying to sew up a market niche before Tiger ships. But, regardless, a smart company makes their IT/IS plans based on what is shipping now, not on what might be shipping next year.

      Short life cycles: Wow those G4 Powermacs didn't last long.

      They didn't? I've had mine for over 4 years (wasn't one of the first PowerMacs, either, but one of the first duals), and it's still running fine today.

      And when their supplies run out that is the end of them other then buying them used on ebay. Some companies may not need to have the best of the best.

      Again, this differs from other companies how? Is Dell somehow rushing to ship orders of 486 systems? If you don't need the best Apple offers, get an eMac or an iBook.

      We need to be able to get parts for these system when they break, and not just extra harddrive spare Processors, motherboards, video cards. Basically all the stuff to make a Mac by itself.

      Uh, so get them. Are you saying Apple somehow has special resistors and capacitors made just for their Macs? Are you saying your company already regularly does, but somehow doesn't know how to get parts for, in-house component level repair on old PCs? How exactly does it make sense to pay a $50000 salary to replace $.10 parts on a machine worth $100 that could be replaced/upgraded for just $400 more?

    8. Re:But will they be less secritive? by xnot · · Score: 2, Interesting
      When you switch to Apple for an IT strategy you will be stuck with it.

      I've seen this comment a lot with regard to apple. Me personally, I don't get it. You aren't ever "stuck" with something. You choose what you choose. If you're going to regret it before you even try it, then you'll never be happy, because no product/solution/etc. is ever perfect. It's pretty simple, really. You weigh the pros and cons, and if apple seems like the best solution, then you choose apple. If you're feeling that apple isn't for you, then just don't buy. Simple.

      And switching to an other platform is expensive.

      So? Life is expensive. You know why? Because nobody has all the answers when they first start out. You have to spend some money, try stuff, and see what happens. In fact, the only way ANYONE ever makes any progress in any area of life is to try and fail a few times, so they can figure out what works. There is no way to fore-know that something is going to work absolutely, 100% for you, until you get out there and actually try it. Does that cost money? Yes. But money spent figuring out what works is money well spent. Worse case scenario- if the damn thing doesn't work, ship it back! Or sell it to someone else. You always have options.

      Sure right now Apple is making good quality products but down the line some other platform may exceed the quality in a large scale.

      Yup. And the sky might fall tomorrow. Look, you can imagine any sort of doomsday scenario you want. I guarantee to you that 99% of the time, your worst fear is never going to happen. It just doesn't. So stop spending your energy wondering what sort of nightmare could possibly happen 20 years down the road, because you're wasting your time. If you wait and see if something will be better, if that killer app will come out or that magic product that will solve all your problems, then you'll be spending the rest of your life waiting. The smart people grab what is useful NOW, so they can USE IT NOW.

      I'm not saying it isn't useful to plan for the future. But to quote Dumbledore from Harry Potter: "It does not do to dwell on dreams, and forget to live."

      Companies want to be able to plan for things usually a year in advance. So if there is going to be a 5 ghz G5 coming out within a year or so they want to know that so they can budget the upgrade or wait an other year.

      So I guess every other hardware company pre-announces their products a year in advance so that the people who rely on those products can plan appropriately? Um, sorry, but it doesn't work that way. EVERY company is secretive about their products, mostly because they don't want a competitor to beat them to market. Apple is not unique in this regard. All any business can do is look at the trends and make an educated guess as to what will most likely happen. I don't know about you, but for me it's obvious that, for the foreseeable future (1) Apple will be making macs and (2) Processors will get faster. If anything else, one can assume that if something has been happening for a while, then it will continue to happen. Once again, assuming that apple might suddenly go under tomorrow and you'll lose all your support is irrational. People have been predicting apple's death for years, and it's never happened. In all likelyhood, even if something bad does happen, apple will support you for a time while you transition to another platform. And since OS X is so good at working with windows, you can even use a mixed Mac/PC environment while you transition your Macs out of the company.

      Some companies may not need to have the best of the best.

      Correction: MOST companies. Companies are the slowest entities to upgrade their hardware and software. Why? Because they want something proven and stable, so they can be sure of their investment. Therefore, most companies hardly ever run the latest and greatest technology. If apple doesn't come out with a super-fast G5 tomorrow, most companies aren't really going to care. Heck, I knew a c

  13. Re:Better check their links by DarkBlack · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the Security guide for OS X. It looks like they've revised it since they first listed it.

  14. Re:One of the things that are desperately needed by atomico · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's analyze some well-known monopolies.

    Microsoft = communism? Yes, sure. But, going back in time to other famous monopolies...

    Rockefeller's Standard Oil = communism

    Thanks a lot for opening my eyes!

  15. Catastrophe Might Wake Up IT. by Spencerian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Die-hard views in IT about Apple products may change, as did many ways we do things post-September 11, when (not if) a major computer security catastrophe occurs which could render many Windows operating systems inoperable. It's bound to happen--the laws of chaos and Murphy's Law dictate that something with order will be occasionally paired with disorder.

    IT hasn't had that wake-up call yet. History has shown that lack of diversification leads to fatal results. Having only one way of doing things, or in this case, only one choice in handling services, causes a backlash when elements of the systems are put to test.

    I've been an IT professional specializing in Apple products for over 12 years now. Despite the advances (administratively and competitively) that Apple and other companies have done in providing alternatives that work as well or better than the mainstream products, many IT pros still have NO FSCKING CLUE about the alternatives. They aren't TRAINED to think about alternatives, but only to do what they can with what they have.

    They may be a time where one of the many serious vulnerabilties found in Windows is fully and dangerously exploited, leading to failures of various sorts throughout the country and the world. Data is lost. Networks paralyzed. And all through such a time, computers running operating systems that are much more resistant or immune to these issues will aid in keeping our businesses working despite ourselves and our industry's lack of vision.

    It was a lack of imagination that led to the some of the world's notable disasters like the Titanic, the recent tsunamis, the Apollo 1, Shuttle Challenger and Columbia tragedies, the Macerena and Anna Nicole Smith. Someone in the IT world has to wake up and see that putting all the eggs in a basket may be cheaper, but that it is still one basket.

    I try to educate and never preach about the use and capabilities of Apple products, and I'm sure others try with Linux and other operating systems. I hope a site like this, sanctioned by Apple itself, adds a bit more professionalism to the mix of offerings.

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  16. Welcome Apple by p0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Apple,

    Welcome to the field of Information Technology. Heh.

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  17. Re:Nice :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Great idea! Cause there's nothing IT admins love more than being told how to do their job!

    Maybe they don't love being told how to do their jobs, but they sure as hell love creating job security by standardizing us all on machines that require near constant attention.

    I love when our IT guys try to tell us things like "Macs can't network", "Macs can't use the internet", and my personal favorite... "Apple is going out of business".

    Maybe instead of being told how to do their jobs, they should take it upon themselves to learn how to do their jobs.

  18. Shame by (shea48) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have supported Apple products for years and have always had problems with the quality and amount of documentation Apple creates. Just for curiosity I went to the new section http://www.apple.com/itpro/ and clicked on their featured article "Integrating MacOSX and Active Directory." This page is a sales pitch. It clearly explains that OS X is capable of authenticating to AD, but offers no advice on how to set up that authentication. Next to this sales pitch are several links to the websites of enthusiast and Apple employees who have developed documentation for Apple products and features in their personal time. I think it is shameful that Apple has to link to enthusiast sites for concise documentation of their products. Apple has never done a good job of creating useful documentation. To defend Apple, the do provide a link to their 190 page PDF detailing Open Directory and it is required reading for true professionals. But for questions regarding specific issues or general questions, it can be amazingly difficult to find the information you need. I have become accustom to searching independent Mac resources before I turn to Apple for information. Hopefully, this will change with the new IT Pro focus. Shea

    1. Re:Shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Definately Apple falls even behind Linux for proper documentation.

      I was trying to develop a simple applescript application so that my users could click on that and have shares mounted automaticly. This was needed because the IT folks were moving around servers so I needed a easy and quick (and temporary) way to have it so that users can log into their network shares quickly.

      It was a most painfull experiance. There were several versions of applescript. Many of the commands were legacy and obsolete and left over from older versions. There was much duplicate commands and commands that have similar names between different versions but have different purpose... etc etc.

      plus on top of that many pre-made 3rd party scripts were in "executable" mode so that you couldn't see the source code and so you couldn't learn from examples!!!

      Nasty stuff, buy the time I figured it out the need was gone and I was digusted.

      Probably 75% of people here that praise Apple never actually had to work with their OSes. Hell most of them probably haven't touched a Mac since gradeschool.

      So eager to sing the praises of OS X like it's god gift to computing. It's NOT THAT GOOD.

      It's fine OS. I am typing this out right now on a Ibook... but it's Ubuntu installed on a IBook and I dual boot OS X.

      It's great. It serves a good place as a desktop OS for places that are unsuitable for Linux, but just understand that your dealing with a closed source OS based on a open source code and they have the same attitudes and corporate culture that they've always had with OS 9 and previous OSes.

      It's good, definately, but unless you actually have used it don't think that it's so great until you learn WHY it's good, first hand. And why it's not so good.

    2. Re:Shame by cozagada · · Score: 3, Informative

      This site is for marketing purposes. Use the support for good docs : http://www.apple.com/support The doc you are looking for should be http://images.apple.com/server/pdfs/Windows_Servic es.pdf I just LOVE apple docs, always written like stuff for dummies, not like obscure HOW TOs...

    3. Re:Shame by rns3 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I do work with OS X Server/Client (as well as Solaris and Windows Server). Of the the three, OS X Server is by far the easiest. It is as reliable as Solaris, but without the extra expenses and MUCH better management tools--by better, I mean I can get the task done quicker without having to remember arcane commands.

      As to documentation, I find that if you know where to look (and this can be said of Sun, too) there is a boat load of documentation. The place to start with OS X Server is to go to Apple.com => Support => Manuals => OS X Server Manuals for Apple's documentation. There are also a number of good enthusiasts sites, but for the corporate line, this is the place.

      I do agree that AppleScript documentation is not great, but its use on the server is better served with shell scripting.

    4. Re:Shame by Dragonfly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mike Bombich is not an "enthusiast", he is an Apple Employee and his tools NetRestore and Carbon Copy Cloner form the basis for Apple's new Setup Assistant and network imaging tools. I have his Apple business card on my desk as I type.

  19. Re:One of the things that are desperately needed by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Anyone who challenges any monopoly is a kind of a hero in my book"

    Within the Apple enclave, there is even less "freedom" than in the Microsoft world. Using the "communism" analogy, what you are doing is cheering on North Korea as compared to China.

    There is much more of a "you must use this hardware to run this software!" thing going on. You can also check with the PlayFair folks about Apple's tendencies. If you want "Competition = free market = you choose.", look to the Linux world. They bend over backwards for such "freedom": interopability, hardware flexibility, and open standards, and user participation in major developments. You don't have everything being handed down from a "Politburo" like you do with Apple and Microsoft.

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  20. Re:Better check their links by porlw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should really be something like:

    I have no knowledge of this page, nor would I be at liberty to disclose this page if it did in fact exist. Sir.

  21. Re:How/what do you set up to have networked home d by alc6379 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Why OpenStep on that Sparc?

    I wouldn't suggest running Solaris on it, but I've got a SparcStation 5 that has run both NetBSD and Debian Linux during various times of its life. It's held up like a champ with both OSes as a simple fileserver/gateway.

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  22. Re:Apple IT dept use all Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, the website is run on WebObjects, on Xserve servers and OS X. Streaming is done with QuickTime Streaming Server.

    Apple owns FileMaker so that would mean they have a database but whether they use it for the website I don't know. Oracle loves them and Larry E was a board member so maybe they use Oracle for the larger jobs and Filemaker for smaller jobs?

    Pixar, Jobs' other company, has been doing a transition from Intel hardware over to Xserve now that Apple has RAID and SAN solutions together with Shake for video compositing as well as Pixar's own Renderman software.

    Visit the QuickTime or Pixar websites for movie trailers just to see how well it all works together.

  23. Smart! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like Apple is trying to capitalize on IT departments' relative unhappiness with Windows. I actually have a Mac at home, and I think it's a great desktop machine. From an admin point of view, you can lock down anything you want, and it's stable. Of course, any advantage regarding spyware and viruses will go away once enough people start using MacOS...right now most hackers can't be bothered. One of the biggest problems we deal with is Windows patch management and virus/spyware control.

    Plus, the good thing about MacOS is that the desktop/window manager is fully mature. Recent advances in the Linux kernel really help the whole plug-and-play thing, but it seems like a unified set of desktop apps or an accepted One True Window Manager is a ways off. It's going to take a Red Hat or an IBM clamping down on feature creep and version control to make that happen.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple managed to sneak a few XServes in as departmental file/print servers or other low-end tasks. MacOS is very cool under the hood as well as on the surface.

  24. Re:Nice :) by gb506 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Most of the IT guys I know, who are calling the shots, are Windows only. Mention a Mac and they cringe.

    That's because the Mac would set them free - free of a job, that is...

  25. Re:please stop doing this... by anothy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you're asserting something to be true which is far from universally accepted. folks speaking British English treat collective entities as collections of individual elements, and therefore plural. this mode of speaking is more consistent. take, for example, the hypothetical example (spoken from the point of view of a FooCo representative):
    American:
    FooCo is going to enter market blah. We think we can make money there.
    British:
    FooCo are going to enter market blah. We think we can make money there.
    note that the American English version changes tense half way through, which marks a significant inconsistency. the British version has inconsistencies as well, but it's more consistent than the American version.

    perhaps it's a good time to note that there are more British English speakers in the world than American English (thanks mostly to India and China). also, psychologically, i prefer the focus on the entity being a collection of individuals rather than a single entity.

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  26. Re:One of the things that are desperately needed by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Within the Apple enclave, there is even less "freedom" than in the Microsoft world. Using the "communism" analogy, what you are doing is cheering on North Korea as compared to China.

    That's a pretty funny analogy.

    And apt, too! Apple is just like a North Korea, except that they have fair trade (open source kernal), human rights (well-designed consistent UI), a market economy (PCI, AGP, USB, SATA, IEEE 1392, GigE), a free press (TCP/IP, OpenTalk/ZeroConf, Apache, Jabber, Kerberos, SSL).... but other than that exactly like North Korea, yes.

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  27. Re:One of the things that are desperately needed by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Informative
    "except that they have fair trade (open source kernal)...

    Are modifications from the user/developer community being incorporated into Mac OS? Not last time I heard (a dictatorship and not a democracy?).

    The answer is yes. Go have a look at apple.com/opensource, there's a handy (and verifiable) chart there.

    ..."a free press (TCP/IP, OpenTalk/ZeroConf, Apache, Jabber, Kerberos, SSL)...."

    Hmmm. Where is FairPlay/AAC on that list? Speaking of a free press, click here to see the latest Apple stories on Slashdot. 2 or 3 on the first page alone are about Apple censoring users and closing communications. Definitely more Kim Jong Il than Johnny Appleseed here. This just does not happen nearly as much in the OSS world.

    AAC is a Dolby standard and part of the MPEG-4 spec. FairPlay is not something I like either but that is one thing you mentioned.

    As for the appledot stories, i did have a look, and I'm not sure what you are referring to. There is a story about ThinkSecret getting sued over leaking trade secrets, and some users who leaked their OS alpha. That does not strike me as draconian but hey, its just my opinion.

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