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Gnome 2.10 Sneak Peek
spectre_be writes "Davyd Madeley wrote a Sneak Peek at Gnome 2.10, scheduled for release on the March 9, 2005. Looks like the new release-policy is starting to pay of, as several existing utilities get enhancements and a couple of new ones are added. Also (finally) a mozilla-stylee type-ahead find has been implemented in Gnome's Open/Save dialog. Together with OpenOffice.org 2.0's scheduled release and Novell's Mono coming up to speed, will 2005 prove to be the year of Gnome?" Update: 01/18 01:40 GMT by T : Oops - the "2-point" got chopped off in the headline; still a while until GNOME 10.
...from the previous releases. Looks fantastic - and actually looks like the interface was *thought through*. Good job team.
Why would a release of OpenOffice make it the year of Gnome? Isn't OpenOffice independent of Gnome (I run it fine in KDE)?
Also, the header is soo misleading (I thought I had done timejump or something)
Je ne parle pas francais.
You can see Suns influence on gnome here!
My pics.
I'm so behind the times using Debian here.. I only have 2.8, and here 10 is released? Wow. I thought all the "Debian is old" jokes were stupid, but now I know for sure that they were right all along.
The mime sniffing is still a pain. I have to drag and drop to open certain types of files, even occasionally plain text files like .cpp which on rare occasion it mistakes for a file I never heard of. Just double clicking the files or right clicking and selecting "open with" gives a security warning and it refuses to open, even when both both the sniffed filetype and the filetype matching the extension open with the same application. A fix for the problem involves changing about 4 lines of code in 1 function.
I'm all about the HIG-enabled stuff. I dig it a lot...In most cases. I think the HIG-powered windows are great when you're going through your ~/, but I think it stinks when you're going across to other parts of the FS, like /usr/lib/gettext.
Plus, I think it'd be outstanding if I could simply get different desktop pics for my different workspaces. As it is now, you can't. Isn't part of the HIG to make it as intuitive as possible? However, we can't know what workspace we're looking at unless we look at the little applet on the taskbar. Having different images (like in *cough* KDE), would be fantastic.
Not according to the Gnome website.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
That man tried to kill mah Daddy
but RMS founded gnu, and he pronounces it guh-noo. Are you going to tell someone who invented the name that he pronounces it wrong?
Oh, and the G in gnome stands for gnu, therefore is pronounced in the same way.
of course, i dont actually care either way, but you were on a high horse...mine is higher.
i wish i was but oh well
They'll catching up to win95/OS8 in no time flat!
/I'm sorry... no 'wow' factor at all. Maybe they should get Enlightenment's people to build up a visually appealing gnome demo?
I agree on the dorkyness count, but that said Miguel, Nat, and all the other Ximians say "guh-nome" in real life.
I'd agree, and I hate GTK 1.x. The old file selector allowed you to filter file lists, so you could type "*.mp3" then hit tab so only mp3 files would be shown. This is not possible in the new file selector, and the Mozzila style searching is not an acceptable substitute.
This regression is probably a result of the GNOME developers simplicity-at-all-costs attitude, and they probably want filtering to be done by the application, eg. the mp3 player shows only mp3s, and using the MIME type system instead of extension. This might seem a superior solution, but actually it is not. The old file selector allowed any combination of wildcards in the search, so you could do things like "*report*" or "Track??.mp3". I think it even allowed regular expressions. This is a much more powerful system, and it didn't confuse newbies because they didn't know it existed.
With years of slashdot stories asking "Will XXXX finally be the year of Y?", will 2005 finally be the year of slashdot retiring that stupid phrase?
I think the new file dialog is fabulous, and as I didn't know about the old features, I didn't benefit from them. Whereas I benefit from the new simplicity without having even to think about it.
So, umm, KDE is bad because it is more like Windows, and the solution to this is to...be more like the next version of Windows (Avalon)?
The really remarkable thing is that in spite of having only a fraction of the corporate support KDE is far more usable. Yes, a few things are clumsier than I would like, but they seem to have avoided the completely idiotic design decisions that GNOME has made (the spatial browser, the hideous file selector, eliminating user-visible preferences to an extreme).
A whole bunch of file dialogs from different OS are here. Panther's looks kind of similar to the current GNOME one - the old GTK dialog looks like the older MacOS style.
With Novell (who also owns Ximian) via SUSE and other large companies like IBM. The default desktop for *all* of the commercially successful desktop distros (commercially successful, since you're talking about commercial alliances). Connected to state contracts with national governments like Germany's Kolab project.
KDE does have plenty of connections, as does Gnome. I'd hardly say that either is ignoring that aspect of their projects. Both have excellent people working toward commercial advocacy.
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Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
Do you mean "|" ?
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
The really pathetic thing is that GNOME and KDE today are pretty much duplicate efforts. This situation has become a terrible waste of community resources.
I'm certain these developers that volunteer their time are eagerly awaiting your consent as to what projects they may work on.
Your courageous and selfless spelling corrections have made me a better person.
Actually, GNOME Storage is a pretty dead project. What people probably want to see screenshots for these days is Beagle. Beagle gathers metadata and indexes content instead of replacing the filesystem. And it Just Works. Has done so for months.
Unmentioned on that page: Epiphany extensions can now be loaded/unloaded on-the-fly. The epiphany-extensions package comes with an extension which lets you do this. And the adblock extension is coming, dammit!
And there's also "pyphany" in CVS. It lets you make extensions using Python. Included in the CVS module: a Python Console extension, which is probably the best way to prototype extensions (you can, say, connect a signal to change the zoom, with just a couple of lines of code).
Really? I mean, really? Here's Davyd's screenshot of the Gnome help browser:
p -full.png
a ndsupport.jpg
n /images/hcp.jpg
http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/images/yel
Here's some XP help browser screenshots, courtesy of Google image search:
http://www.winona.edu/its/techsupport/images/help
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/security/bulleti
Hmm, so they both have Back buttons. Oh, and scrollbars. And look, they both display formatted text! Those Gnome developers are just a bunch of copycats.
For the record, I blatently copied the OS X help browser, not the XP help browser.
Do you really need Bookmarks and Go in a help browser?Regarding Go: Do you know what's under that menu? It has Back and Forward, and it has Previous Section and Next Section. I really doubt the menu itself is used that often, but the actions in the menu are very commonly used, either by toolbar buttons or by keyboard shortcuts.
Regarding Bookmarks: For most simple application help, it really isn't necessary. You see some dialog, you think "What the heck is this option?", and you pull up the help. You don't want to spend time in the help browser. You want to get back to your work.
But then there are people who look up function references for Gnumeric. And systems administrators who have to refer to certain bits of system documentation often. There are people for whom bookmarks are incredibly useful. The interface is still very simple, and the addition of bookmarks doesn't really hurt those who don't need them.
I get the impression that you just wanted something, anything, to complain about.