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Gnome 2.10 Sneak Peek

spectre_be writes "Davyd Madeley wrote a Sneak Peek at Gnome 2.10, scheduled for release on the March 9, 2005. Looks like the new release-policy is starting to pay of, as several existing utilities get enhancements and a couple of new ones are added. Also (finally) a mozilla-stylee type-ahead find has been implemented in Gnome's Open/Save dialog. Together with OpenOffice.org 2.0's scheduled release and Novell's Mono coming up to speed, will 2005 prove to be the year of Gnome?" Update: 01/18 01:40 GMT by T : Oops - the "2-point" got chopped off in the headline; still a while until GNOME 10.

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  1. Gnome '10' huh? by tpgp · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can see Suns influence on gnome here!

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    1. Re:Gnome '10' huh? by MagPulse · · Score: 4, Funny

      KDE has announced that the next release, KDE 3.4, will be known as KDE 400.

  2. wow by dolson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm so behind the times using Debian here.. I only have 2.8, and here 10 is released? Wow. I thought all the "Debian is old" jokes were stupid, but now I know for sure that they were right all along.

  3. The major flaw by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The mime sniffing is still a pain. I have to drag and drop to open certain types of files, even occasionally plain text files like .cpp which on rare occasion it mistakes for a file I never heard of. Just double clicking the files or right clicking and selecting "open with" gives a security warning and it refuses to open, even when both both the sniffed filetype and the filetype matching the extension open with the same application. A fix for the problem involves changing about 4 lines of code in 1 function.

  4. One for the HIG-minded. by DeathAndTaxes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm all about the HIG-enabled stuff. I dig it a lot...In most cases. I think the HIG-powered windows are great when you're going through your ~/, but I think it stinks when you're going across to other parts of the FS, like /usr/lib/gettext. Plus, I think it'd be outstanding if I could simply get different desktop pics for my different workspaces. As it is now, you can't. Isn't part of the HIG to make it as intuitive as possible? However, we can't know what workspace we're looking at unless we look at the little applet on the taskbar. Having different images (like in *cough* KDE), would be fantastic.

    1. Re:One for the HIG-minded. by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      However, you can rest assured that the GNOME development team thought long and hard before they decided *not* to include [different backgrounds for different workspaces]. It takes a lot of guts to say, "no, this isn't really necessary."

      No, it doesn't. "I don't need this, therefore you don't either" is an incredibly easy line to take. It takes no guts to say it. Nor does it take guts - only time - to put in the effort, research the issue, and find out what your end users (both novices and experts) have to say.

      What does take guts is to back down and admit that you were wrong, if your research does not agree with your expectations. And what I see in the GNOME development team - and their detractors - is not guts but religion. The GNOME team worship simplicity. The question they ask of any proposed feature is not "will this be beneficial to our end users", but "does this fit in with our design aesthetic".

      I'm not criticising that. Simplicity is a valid goal, and it's one that KDE has not chosen, so it reduces the duplication of effort that so many people used to whine about.

      However, it seems somehow implausible that the GNOME team considered this particular feature long and hard; given that it seems like a logical extension of the spatial metaphor, it seems to me that its absence can only suggest that they barely considered it if at all. Can you point to the relevant messages on the appropriate mailing list? I'd be interested to see what research they actually did, and what were their other arguments against making different workspaces visually distinct.

  5. Re:Pronounciation for y'all by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's pronounced "nome". Not "guh-nome"

    Not according to the Gnome website.

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  6. Re:Pronounciation for y'all by Prowl · · Score: 5, Informative
    from gnu.org homepage:

    GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not UNIX"; it is pronounced "guh-noo."
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  7. Re:Pronounciation for y'all by gimpimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but RMS founded gnu, and he pronounces it guh-noo. Are you going to tell someone who invented the name that he pronounces it wrong?

    Oh, and the G in gnome stands for gnu, therefore is pronounced in the same way.

    of course, i dont actually care either way, but you were on a high horse...mine is higher.

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  8. Re:Open dialog still a monstrosity? by Mprx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd agree, and I hate GTK 1.x. The old file selector allowed you to filter file lists, so you could type "*.mp3" then hit tab so only mp3 files would be shown. This is not possible in the new file selector, and the Mozzila style searching is not an acceptable substitute.

    This regression is probably a result of the GNOME developers simplicity-at-all-costs attitude, and they probably want filtering to be done by the application, eg. the mp3 player shows only mp3s, and using the MIME type system instead of extension. This might seem a superior solution, but actually it is not. The old file selector allowed any combination of wildcards in the search, so you could do things like "*report*" or "Track??.mp3". I think it even allowed regular expressions. This is a much more powerful system, and it didn't confuse newbies because they didn't know it existed.

  9. Re:Big difference.... by I+Be+Hatin' · · Score: 5, Funny
    it still doesn't look as snazzy or as futuristic as XP

    Ummm... you misspelled "Fischer-Price".

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  10. Get a new phrase! by mehu · · Score: 5, Funny

    With years of slashdot stories asking "Will XXXX finally be the year of Y?", will 2005 finally be the year of slashdot retiring that stupid phrase?

  11. Re:Logical dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, umm, KDE is bad because it is more like Windows, and the solution to this is to...be more like the next version of Windows (Avalon)?

    The really remarkable thing is that in spite of having only a fraction of the corporate support KDE is far more usable. Yes, a few things are clumsier than I would like, but they seem to have avoided the completely idiotic design decisions that GNOME has made (the spatial browser, the hideous file selector, eliminating user-visible preferences to an extreme).

  12. Re:GNOME team seems more aggressive than the KDE t by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Informative
    Soooo where is the KDE team in all of this?

    With Novell (who also owns Ximian) via SUSE and other large companies like IBM. The default desktop for *all* of the commercially successful desktop distros (commercially successful, since you're talking about commercial alliances). Connected to state contracts with national governments like Germany's Kolab project.

    KDE does have plenty of connections, as does Gnome. I'd hardly say that either is ignoring that aspect of their projects. Both have excellent people working toward commercial advocacy.

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  13. Re:Logical dissonance by clem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The really pathetic thing is that GNOME and KDE today are pretty much duplicate efforts. This situation has become a terrible waste of community resources.

    I'm certain these developers that volunteer their time are eagerly awaiting your consent as to what projects they may work on.

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  14. Re:finding files!-Beagle by noda132 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, GNOME Storage is a pretty dead project. What people probably want to see screenshots for these days is Beagle. Beagle gathers metadata and indexes content instead of replacing the filesystem. And it Just Works. Has done so for months.

  15. Epiphany has better extensions support by noda132 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unmentioned on that page: Epiphany extensions can now be loaded/unloaded on-the-fly. The epiphany-extensions package comes with an extension which lets you do this. And the adblock extension is coming, dammit!

    And there's also "pyphany" in CVS. It lets you make extensions using Python. Included in the CVS module: a Python Console extension, which is probably the best way to prototype extensions (you can, say, connect a signal to change the zoom, with just a couple of lines of code).