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Gnome 2.10 Sneak Peek
spectre_be writes "Davyd Madeley wrote a Sneak Peek at Gnome 2.10, scheduled for release on the March 9, 2005. Looks like the new release-policy is starting to pay of, as several existing utilities get enhancements and a couple of new ones are added. Also (finally) a mozilla-stylee type-ahead find has been implemented in Gnome's Open/Save dialog. Together with OpenOffice.org 2.0's scheduled release and Novell's Mono coming up to speed, will 2005 prove to be the year of Gnome?" Update: 01/18 01:40 GMT by T : Oops - the "2-point" got chopped off in the headline; still a while until GNOME 10.
...from the previous releases. Looks fantastic - and actually looks like the interface was *thought through*. Good job team.
Why would a release of OpenOffice make it the year of Gnome? Isn't OpenOffice independent of Gnome (I run it fine in KDE)?
Also, the header is soo misleading (I thought I had done timejump or something)
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You can see Suns influence on gnome here!
My pics.
Wow what year is it? I haven't checked out Gnome for a while and I missed 7 versions already!
I'm so behind the times using Debian here.. I only have 2.8, and here 10 is released? Wow. I thought all the "Debian is old" jokes were stupid, but now I know for sure that they were right all along.
One of the things I keep hoping GNOME will get better at is file handling. Konqueror is a great tool for splitting windows, drag'n'drop between ftp sites/websites/etc, and the FILE DIALOG in KDE is pretty decent too...
Why can't the GNOME one get better? The 2.4 and pre series was a JOKE and this new one, even with all it's vaunted HIG stuff, is still horrible imho. Why can't I see thumbs? Previews? A decent file tree? Bleh.
The mime sniffing is still a pain. I have to drag and drop to open certain types of files, even occasionally plain text files like .cpp which on rare occasion it mistakes for a file I never heard of. Just double clicking the files or right clicking and selecting "open with" gives a security warning and it refuses to open, even when both both the sniffed filetype and the filetype matching the extension open with the same application. A fix for the problem involves changing about 4 lines of code in 1 function.
I'm all about the HIG-enabled stuff. I dig it a lot...In most cases. I think the HIG-powered windows are great when you're going through your ~/, but I think it stinks when you're going across to other parts of the FS, like /usr/lib/gettext.
Plus, I think it'd be outstanding if I could simply get different desktop pics for my different workspaces. As it is now, you can't. Isn't part of the HIG to make it as intuitive as possible? However, we can't know what workspace we're looking at unless we look at the little applet on the taskbar. Having different images (like in *cough* KDE), would be fantastic.
Not according to the Gnome website.
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I know it's not *that* important, and represents something that the user could (I hope) change, but the nasty garish colors used for syntax coloring in that text editor screenshot have got to go.
A more muted palette would look more attractive. Drop the saturation a bit, use darker colors than hot pink and neon purple. Muted blues and greens like the ones in slashdot's Developers section and Main section. Those would look nice.
Using the bright colors also makes it look primitive, like it's limited to using a Windows 16-color palette.
You don't need to dress up the text editor like a $5 ho just to get the point across that it can do text in color. Pink text doesn't make the point any better than a muted blue would.
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but RMS founded gnu, and he pronounces it guh-noo. Are you going to tell someone who invented the name that he pronounces it wrong?
Oh, and the G in gnome stands for gnu, therefore is pronounced in the same way.
of course, i dont actually care either way, but you were on a high horse...mine is higher.
i wish i was but oh well
They'll catching up to win95/OS8 in no time flat!
/I'm sorry... no 'wow' factor at all. Maybe they should get Enlightenment's people to build up a visually appealing gnome demo?
Hello?! What's 2 in binary?
The GNOME-Mozilla-Mono "alliance" makes sense when you look at Avalon. It's a good move that is sure to give Linux and other OSS users an option that doesn't involve going to Microsoft. Soooo where is the KDE team in all of this?
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the KDE guys have really missed the boat here. It seems like they are so caught up building a traditional desktop that they haven't realized that their competition is much more aggressive now.
Not trying to be a troll, just noticing that GNOME and Xfce seem to be getting better and better whereas KDE just seems to be becoming more like Windows in the worst ways.
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I agree on the dorkyness count, but that said Miguel, Nat, and all the other Ximians say "guh-nome" in real life.
I'd agree, and I hate GTK 1.x. The old file selector allowed you to filter file lists, so you could type "*.mp3" then hit tab so only mp3 files would be shown. This is not possible in the new file selector, and the Mozzila style searching is not an acceptable substitute.
This regression is probably a result of the GNOME developers simplicity-at-all-costs attitude, and they probably want filtering to be done by the application, eg. the mp3 player shows only mp3s, and using the MIME type system instead of extension. This might seem a superior solution, but actually it is not. The old file selector allowed any combination of wildcards in the search, so you could do things like "*report*" or "Track??.mp3". I think it even allowed regular expressions. This is a much more powerful system, and it didn't confuse newbies because they didn't know it existed.
I couldn't quite tell from the article, but are true transparencies going to be supported in, say, gnome-terminal, using the Composite module?
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might i also thank the grandparent post for giving me this opportunity to boost my karma.
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With years of slashdot stories asking "Will XXXX finally be the year of Y?", will 2005 finally be the year of slashdot retiring that stupid phrase?
See, I totally agree with the grandparent poster. If you want everyone to pronounce GNU - GUH-NEW, you spell it accordingly. I have, and always will, say GNU - GEE-EN-EWE, why? BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING ACRONYM! I pronounce it in the most sensical, straight forward way, because acronyms are meant (in theory) to simplify things. I don't give a fuck what RMS thinks. If he wants us to pronounce it Guh-new, maybe he should have named GNU something that, when acronym-ated, sounds more like Guh-New. GNU is three letters, G, N, and U. I pronounce it accordingly. RMS started a great thing, and seems to be an...eh...interesting guy...but i'm pretty fed up with Geeks, engineers, et al forcing their God complexes on us and dictating the RIGHT WAY to do things. Free software is about Freedom, right? Well i reserve the right to be free in my choice of acronym pronunciation. Thank you, and Goodnight.
I think the new file dialog is fabulous, and as I didn't know about the old features, I didn't benefit from them. Whereas I benefit from the new simplicity without having even to think about it.
So, umm, KDE is bad because it is more like Windows, and the solution to this is to...be more like the next version of Windows (Avalon)?
The really remarkable thing is that in spite of having only a fraction of the corporate support KDE is far more usable. Yes, a few things are clumsier than I would like, but they seem to have avoided the completely idiotic design decisions that GNOME has made (the spatial browser, the hideous file selector, eliminating user-visible preferences to an extreme).
Windows XP looks like a Fisher-Price toy unless you alter it to something better.
The default WinXP gui freaks me out like few other interfaces. I'll rather have the CDE-gui than the deafult WinXP-gui. No flamewar intended, but the WinXP gui really, really looks like it was designed for a 2 year old to play with, not for people to work with.
"A new exiting interface" my ass...
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Yep, all this seems great, but still there's one thing: I'd like to see a _real_ PDF reader in GNOME (with type ahead find if possible :). KDE is going to have one in 3.4
Anyone knows if, say, Evince is going the way kpdf is?
A whole bunch of file dialogs from different OS are here. Panther's looks kind of similar to the current GNOME one - the old GTK dialog looks like the older MacOS style.
With Novell (who also owns Ximian) via SUSE and other large companies like IBM. The default desktop for *all* of the commercially successful desktop distros (commercially successful, since you're talking about commercial alliances). Connected to state contracts with national governments like Germany's Kolab project.
KDE does have plenty of connections, as does Gnome. I'd hardly say that either is ignoring that aspect of their projects. Both have excellent people working toward commercial advocacy.
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Pronunciation Key (noo, nyoo)
The "g" is silent, just like in gnome.
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The really remarkable thing is that in spite of having only a fraction of the corporate support KDE is far more usable. Yes, a few things are clumsier than I would like, but they seem to have avoided the completely idiotic design decisions that GNOME has made (the spatial browser, the hideous file selector, eliminating user-visible preferences to an extreme).
The really pathetic thing is that GNOME and KDE today are pretty much duplicate efforts. This situation has become a terrible waste of community resources. From a technical perspective, there is no significant advantage to either platform. From a user perspective, most people are more comfortable with KDE because it is closer to Windows, which they are used to. GNOME is idealistic; KDE is practical. Guess which more people actually use.
That being said, KDE needs some serious improvement in few performance areas and the stability of apps under its umbrella. Kmail and Konqueror come to mind first..
Isn't this what themes are for though? I know you're probably talking about the default theme, but that's the whole point - if you don't like it, change it. Isn't that what Linux is about now?
And who says Linux=KDE anyway, just don't use it if you don't like it.
It's pretty crap that it doesn't do the wildcard thing, considering that I remember file dialogs on the Amiga doing that as long ago as about 1993 or 1994 - even on the crappy system-supplied GUI library in Workbench 2.x And remember folks, that was a machine that could run the entire damn OS from a small ROM and a floppy disk. I agree, the file open/save dialogs are the worst parts of Gnome at the moment. You don't have a field where you can type/paste a file path, and half the time when you hit "Save" you actually have to click another control in order to be able to save it anywhere other than the current folder or a few fairly retarded locations like /home or / ... I mean seriously, I do a lot of work for a whole bunch of clients, why do I always have to go:
Save -> Browse For Other Folders -> find my Folder -> Type a filename
That second step is totally pointless and confusing, and there's no obvious or intuitive way to turn that bastard off the first time you see it, unlike most of the annoying GUI features of Windows. Teaching people to understand how file structures work in an intuitive manner is one of the functions of a file open/save dialog, and the Gnome one just muddies the waters by acting as if Saving Somewhere Else is some kind of advanced "super user" trick that needs a Special Super User Button to enable.
Hopefully there's a way to turn that off, but it's not obvious enough to be user friendly if there is.
And, also - this bugs me... why on earth does Gnome have a Windows-style registry? The registry is one of the worst, most annoying, dumbest features of Windows and a big reason that I like working in Linux. So why on earth would you want to copy it? Please tell me. Has Windows corrupted our minds so much that we think editing registry keys is COOL? Or are we just gearing up so that we can have nice programs like Registry First Aid as well?
The really pathetic thing is that GNOME and KDE today are pretty much duplicate efforts. This situation has become a terrible waste of community resources.
I'm certain these developers that volunteer their time are eagerly awaiting your consent as to what projects they may work on.
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Yup, Ubuntu 5.04 (The Hoary hedgehog) will ship with 2.10 - Gnome is the default desktop and it's policy to synchronise releases.
If you can't wait till April, then you can get preview isos and preview live cds from the ubuntu site: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu
Gnoppix is shipping a live cd beta based on Hoary, with 2.9.3: http://www.gnoppix.org/ available for *three* - count 'em - platforms: x86, AMD64 and PPC.
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I love Gnome/Ximian for Mono and GTK, for Evolution and Gimp, for AbiWord and Gnumeric, for Gaim and Rhythmbox.
Yet, somehow, I use them all on my KDE desktop.
No flamewar is necesary. I guess thats part of the beauty of linux. Maybe we can all get along after all.
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This isn't off-topic - it's on-topic for a metatopic. At least read the entire thing (particularly the end) before modding me in any direction, be it up, down, or along the imaginary axis.
First off, this is Slashdot. For software announcements, see Freshmeat. It's not like the two are in competition with each other. Next, the title of the article contains an error in the version number of Gnome being announced. But we'll let that slide, since it got caught within a few hours and an update was posted.
Now, into the meat...
spectre_be writes "Davyd Madeley wrote a Sneak Peek at Gnome 2.10, scheduled for release on the March 9, 2005.
This is incorrect in one way or another. Either Mr. Madeley wrote an article entitled "A Sneak Peak at Gnome 2.10" and the submitter failed to capitalize the A, he wrote an article entitled "Sneak Peek at Gnome 2.10" and the submitter added an extraneous A, or he wrote a generic sneak peek at Gnome 2.10 and the submitter erroneously capitalized "Sneak Peak." Additionally, is the article scheduled for release on March 9, 2005, or is Gnome 2.10 scheduled to be released that day? Finally, I didn't have to be told that it's the March 9, 2005, as only one such date exists and rules of usage insist that you not tell me which one even if you are ambiguous as to year.
Looks like the new release-policy is starting to pay of, as several existing utilities get enhancements and a couple of new ones are added.
The grammatical error of leaving out any subject for the verb looks notwithstanding, there are a few errors here. "Gnome's new release policy" would have been correct - note the omission of the extraneous hyphen and specification of whose release policy is being mentioned. Also, the word sought here is "off," not "of." I'll let "couple of" slide because it's a part of the vernacular.
Also (finally) a mozilla-stylee type-ahead find has been implemented in Gnome's Open/Save dialog.
Stylistically, "finally" should have been set off by commas, not parentheses; but it's not technically incorrect. However, "Mozilla" should have been capitalized and "style" has only one E. Also, the last time I checked, the "open" and "save" dialogs of most programs are separate, even in those cases where the "save as" dialog is just called "save."
Together with OpenOffice.org 2.0's scheduled release and Novell's Mono coming up to speed, will 2005 prove to be the year of Gnome?"
Unbelievably, the submitter completed an entire sentence without any real errors. It's irrelevant to the story at hand, which is itself outside the scope of this site, but, as far as the English language goes, it's correct! Good work!
Revised, this reads:
spectre_be writes "Davyd Madeley wrote a sneak peek at Gnome 2.10, which is scheduled for release on the March 9, 2005. It looks like Gnome's new release policy is starting to pay off, as several existing utilities get enhancements and a couple new ones are added. Also, a Mozilla-style type-ahead find feature has finally been implemented in Gnome's open and save dialogs. Together with OpenOffice.org 2.0's scheduled release and Novell's Mono coming up to speed, will 2005 prove to be the year of Gnome?"
That didn't take me all that long to do. If submitters would do the same, there would be a lower rate of submission and each submission would be higher quality. If the editors would also do this, there would be fewer duplicate stories, fewer already-dispelled urban legends posted as fact, and higher-quality content, all of which would lead to higher subscription rates and greater income. That's how real newspapers make money: they produce a quality product that's worth the price they charge.
Windowmaker for something a bit different?
a -menu window managers like fluxbox etc. Surely somebody in the open source community can come up with a clever, minimal solution to what we do with a desktop environment/window manager? I mean seriously, what do we do? Configure a few things, move some files around, launch applications? Even just some improvements on the second function would be welcome rather than that interminal right-mouse menu nonsense. That stuff works great for context-sensitive stuff in applications, but only with small menus. Huge, monolithic RMB menus are the tool of satan!
Different from what? The 957,000 other UNIX window managers that all have the perplexing misconception that right-click-and-you'll-get-a-big-nested-menu is good UI design? About the first thing I read about UI design was "BIG NESTED MENUS SUCK BALLS!" or words to that effect.
They do, too.
Seriously, I can't stand it. Why is it that on Linux we have to choose between slow, Windows or Mac-alike desktops (Gnome, KDE) and an incessant, constant stream of Just-click-the-right-mouse-button-and-you'll-get-
I find SCIM a pretty feature complete solution for me. It has a GTK config module, which can be accessed from the GNOME menu, and shows its status in the notification area. It also (probably most importantly) has a good input methods for each CJK language.
Keramik isn't KDE's default color/style/window decoration any more.
The default theme is now Plastic, and its really nice to use the Plastic style/window decorations with the Atlas Green color scheme.
Ubuntu 5.4 Preview will ship with Gnome 2.10 on the day of its release, and Ubunbu 5.4 Final a week later.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Sure. Its not nearly as Apple-like as you would imagine. Whoops, I just moved my start bar to the top of the screen in XP. Hope apple doesn't sue. Seriously, though, the visual appearance of GNOME is very malleable. Hell, I don't think the basic theme does the group justice. But even with a very pretty theme, buttonset, icons and wallpaper, its still a far cry from the intricacies of Apple's GUI. You don't see 90% of the menus dissapear when you click on the background, and the applications themselves dont set the upper panel content. Its really more like the Windows setup with the start bar on top rather than bottom. Unfortunately, I haven't used gnome since like 2.4 or 2.6.
;).
Not to mention, Apple petitioning GNOME would be a really fast way to build ill will towards their beleaguered stance in the market. And lets not forget old Xerox
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Actually, GNOME Storage is a pretty dead project. What people probably want to see screenshots for these days is Beagle. Beagle gathers metadata and indexes content instead of replacing the filesystem. And it Just Works. Has done so for months.
Unmentioned on that page: Epiphany extensions can now be loaded/unloaded on-the-fly. The epiphany-extensions package comes with an extension which lets you do this. And the adblock extension is coming, dammit!
And there's also "pyphany" in CVS. It lets you make extensions using Python. Included in the CVS module: a Python Console extension, which is probably the best way to prototype extensions (you can, say, connect a signal to change the zoom, with just a couple of lines of code).
Nor, for that matter, are graphic designers.
You probably meant to say that engineers and progammers aren't particularly good, on average, at generating nice looking interfaces, but that's not at all the same as what you actually said (although what you actually said, FWIW, is also true -- it's just that you implied that graphic designers might be good at UI design, which is demonstratably false).
GNOME's default theme is boring looking, but it is also extremely easy to use -- so far, I haven't met a single person, no matter how computer illeterate, that can't use my Debian laptop's gnome-enabled guest user (I personally don't use GNOME).
Similarly, the early MacOS (I'm talking pre system 7 here) was very easy to use, but not at all good looking, either -- it just seemed that way at the time because the alternative, for most of us, was DOS. But go back and take a look at it now.
MacOS X, on the other hand, is beautiful -- but nowhere near as consistant and easy to use as early MacOS was. In general, stuff like per-application skinning, the co-existance of multiple GUI widget sets with different stated priorities, etc, produce an unpredictable user experience. It may be a pretty one, but it is nonetheless unpredictable, as the user is forced to learn different visual cues and modes of operation to perform basic tasks.
This is the most evident on modern Linux desktops, which mix KDE, GNOME, Lesstif, Athena, and countless other "non-standard kits" (like the one used by OOo). But stuff like the "brushed metal" theme on Mac OS X is more of the same. Winamp, XMMS and the Beep Media Player, great apps all of them, are just more examples of what happens when you let a graphic designer do UI work. Hell, pretty much any media player (xine comes to mind, as well as most Windows DVD players) forgo the desktop widget set and instead waste their time drawing dvd player or stereo look alikes on the screen.
Now, you may like how this looks -- no accounting for taste -- but to take that a step further and take it to be good UI design is another thing. I use xterms, emacs and pwm for my daily hacking -- I wouldn't have it any other way, in fact. But I wouldn't suggest that any of these programs represent good or intuitive UI design. I'm just used to them.
GNOME is simple, straightforward, and customizable enough that you can make it look like pretty much whatever you want. But out of the box, it has a very intuitive, standard UI, and it's only getting better. I wouldn't use it, but my mom or girlfriend could.
Ctrl-L? Wow, that's... intuitive.. I'm sure everybody will figure that one out!
/var/www, for a start.
And why the hell would you want to hide a hierarchy from the user? I had thought that was the whole point of a "spatial" desktop, to help the user envision the structure of their filesystem visually? I can understand hierarchies just fine and *I* find the Gnome dialogue confusing because it has no sense of position inside the filesystem when it opens - I have no idea if I'm looking at ~/www or
And if you're suggesting that all users just want to save every file into "My documents" or the desktop, you're woefully mistaken. Even my mum knows better than that, and she rings me up in a fluster because the computer said a program had performed an illegal operation! It's certainly a bad habit to teach, as it acts to suggest to the user that they make a total mess of their home directory. Way to go...
As for the "Click here for more folders" button saving me time.. that's bollocks. If it defaults to the folder it saved in last time and I just want to save it, that's no time saved on having the other folders displayed to start with. If it defaults to a folder I don't want, then it's a total waste of time.
Either way, no time saved, some time wasted. Useless.
And what's with the use of space in that file save request anyway? If I resize it up to about half the height of my screen on a 1280x1024 display it still only shows a tiny number of folders I can save into after I hit that toggle, the rest of the box is taken up by stupidly huge controls at the top and large empty spaces. Maybe 1/8th of the window is actually doing something useful.
As for the registry, I was talking more about the *user interface paradigm* than an architectural similarity. It's a crap idea for a UI, and not something anybody should be copying. One of the main reasons I like Linux is the absence of a goddamn registry, the last thing I want to see is a clone of the RegEdit GUI!
You've not got me convinced, sorry.
Really? I mean, really? Here's Davyd's screenshot of the Gnome help browser:
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http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/images/yel
Here's some XP help browser screenshots, courtesy of Google image search:
http://www.winona.edu/its/techsupport/images/help
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/security/bulleti
Hmm, so they both have Back buttons. Oh, and scrollbars. And look, they both display formatted text! Those Gnome developers are just a bunch of copycats.
For the record, I blatently copied the OS X help browser, not the XP help browser.
Do you really need Bookmarks and Go in a help browser?Regarding Go: Do you know what's under that menu? It has Back and Forward, and it has Previous Section and Next Section. I really doubt the menu itself is used that often, but the actions in the menu are very commonly used, either by toolbar buttons or by keyboard shortcuts.
Regarding Bookmarks: For most simple application help, it really isn't necessary. You see some dialog, you think "What the heck is this option?", and you pull up the help. You don't want to spend time in the help browser. You want to get back to your work.
But then there are people who look up function references for Gnumeric. And systems administrators who have to refer to certain bits of system documentation often. There are people for whom bookmarks are incredibly useful. The interface is still very simple, and the addition of bookmarks doesn't really hurt those who don't need them.
I get the impression that you just wanted something, anything, to complain about.
Not really. Gnome is written in C, KDE is written in C++. Gnome uses GTK+, KDE uses Qt. What makes you think that Gnome-hackers would be good KDE-hackers, or vice versa? I mean, the two are technologically quite different. And what makes you think that Gnome-hackers would even want to work on KDE, or KDE hackers on Gnome? Each group has created a desktop according to their vision of what the desktop should be like. And they apparently have quite different visions. How exactly would you merge those two? And if you did, large part of the developers would spin off and start their own desktop-project, and you would be right back where you started!
Right now Gnome and KDE provide each other some good competition. having one big project with no competition is not necessarily a good thing. Just look at what happened with Xfree! it stagnated for years. and users had no real alternative to it. If Gnome-guys start to rest on their laurels, KDE-guys would annihilate them. And if KDE-guys started doing the same, Gnome-guys would wipe the floor with them. So they can't afford to be lazy.
"serious" improvement? I haven't seen any problems with KDE's performance or stability. I did a comparison to Gnome few months ago (I believe it was Gnome 2.6 back then), and the performance was more or less comparable. Gnome started up few seconds faster (which doesn't really matter in the end, since you only start it up once), but it was a bit slower on some other things. All in all, the two were more or less comparable.
On my computer, Konqueror and Kontact appear more or less instantly after I start them. Well, Kontact shows the splash-screen for a second or two, and then it's up 'n running. And I haven't been able to make it crash yet. And, as far as performance is concerned, 3.4 should (Again) be quite a bit faster than the previous version was. And 3.3 was faster than 3.2 was. I like that trend quite a bit.
Seriously, it seems to be fashinable to whine how "KDE is slow! It hogs memory!" with very little facts to back those claims up. On my computer, RAM-consumtion seems to be about 140-150MB, and that's with fully functional KDE-session running with several apps (Konqueror and Kontact notably) and services (Kwallet, Kopete etc.). I really think that's not too bad, and this is a 64bit machine, where the memory-consumption is a bit higher than on 32bit machines.
I have seen the RAM-consumption climb to something like 270MB. But that was after prolonged use of the desktop, with several apps and several KDE-sessions running in the background. Again: more than reasonable.
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Here we go again.
... like leaving your windows in one place and doing some programming in one of them. Maybe you could even improve X?
You're that same guy I replied to last time, right? The one with the 300 Mhz Celeron and Trident video card, and who absolutely insists that the only test that should be applied to a graphics system is how well your POS hardware can render a Mozilla window being dragged around like crazy on your desktop.
I'm not surprised it flickers. Upgrade your hardware. It doesn't flicker on mine, and even if it did, I wouldn't care, because I don't sit there dragging around windows, watching the speed they redraw at, and tossing off over the fastest system I can find. There are more important things to do
So the new desktop would use both GTK AND Qt? And kparts and bonobo? etc. etc. Isn't that wasted resources? And I would guess that it would make the end-result even more resource-hungry, since you would have two separate, yet functionally similar libraries/technologies running in the background. All that would make the desktop even more bloated and it would be a nightmare to maintain.
Well, they are not THAT disconnected...
I trust you reported these on bugs.kde.org?
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That 270MB is not "for a desktop". It's for SEVERAL desktops (three simulatenous desktops for three different users who are logged in on the machine), together with SEVERAL running applications, X.org, several background-services (some by Linux itself, others by the desktop) and the like. And since absolute minimium amount of RAM in PC these days is 256megs, I think that's pretty good.
But hey, if you really want to use as little as RAM as possible, how about something like Ratpoison? Or Fluxbox? Or Xfce?
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