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Intelsat Loses Another Satellite

Alarash writes "Intelsat reported a few days ago that its IS-804 Satellite is lost in space. According to the press release, the '[...] satellite experienced a sudden and unexpected electrical power system anomaly on January 14, 2005, at approximately 5:32 p.m. EST that caused the total loss of the spacecraft.' The satellite was in charge of the South Pacific's media delivery. As a reminder, Intelsat-7, another satellite from Intelsat, got lost a couple of months ago."

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  1. Technical info by JS_RIDDLER · · Score: 5, Informative

    All links are from their site. Here is a image of the coverage area of the satellite:

    http://www.intelsat.com/resources/coveragemaps/sat _foot.aspx?name=804&loc=174&spot=global
    Here is some technical data on the satellite:
    http://www.intelsat.com/resources/coveragemaps/sat _foot_details.aspx?name=804&loc=174

    Also here is some Satellite Basics :
    http://www.intelsat.com/resources/satellitebasics. aspx

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  2. Conspiracy! by mOoZik · · Score: 4, Funny

    This seems too consistent to be a random failure. Wasn't there some sort of a mystery as to what caused the last one? I propose that the satellites are slowly being hijacked and will soon be used against us, a la Independence Day! They'll collectively broadcast crappy reality shows to every corner of the world and none of us would be able to stop them! AHH! AHHHH!

    1. Re:Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some say this has already happened.

  3. Who are Intelsat? by barcodez · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well I didn't know so for others here is a summary of Intelsat

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    1. Re:Who are Intelsat? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      From Wikipedia: Intelsat maintains it headquarters in Bermuda
      Bermuda? And then anyone wonders that their satellites disappear?

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  4. Sunspot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could this possibly be related to the huge coronal mass ejection i read about Jan 15 sorry no story link but it found a picture
    http://www.spaceweather.com/images2005/16jan05/mid i140.gif

    1. Re:Sunspot by digitalchinky · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem with sunspot activity and satellites is that there are a few 'thousand' functional satellites orbiting (or geostationary) at any given moment. If it's a numbers game, then the tin foil hat croud will need to re-think, since there is no consipracy. It just broke. A random failure in a sea of success. These things are shielded up pretty good. I've worked this trade for a long time (Military/Civil), I've not heard of many failures put down to the sun.

      Sure there are numerous little problems - failed transponders and such - but these things fly with backups of most things.

      You can download small programs that plot the locations of most known birds - real time 3d graphics, based on ephemeris.

      Of course, SBRS and ADSCS will be mildly inconvenienced at having to 'work' for a few days - heh. It's their area of operations.

  5. Maybe the other one called ? by Maavin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Could it be that Intelsat-7 found something interesting while being AWOL and called his friend to come and see it, too ?

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  6. Gratuitously Off-Topic... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... but still space-related:

    New Titan panorama from Huygens! Complete with a worryingly Earth-like 'coastline' - I don't think anyone's decided if the dark areas actually contain any liquid or not, but still utterly intriguing. ;-)

    Oh, and now back to our scheduled broadcast. Satellite losses, not good. Big investment and all that, and long lead-time to launching replacements. Whatever!

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  7. I for one . . . Nah, no I don't by CharonIDRONES · · Score: 3, Funny

    *puts on tin foil hat*
    I'm safe, right?
    RIGHT?!
    Run for the hills! AAHH!
    *becomes another insane /.er living in the hills with a tin foil hat on*

    1. Re:I for one . . . Nah, no I don't by PornMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      BARMAN: What, isn't there anything we can do?

      FORD: No, nothing.

      BARMAN: Well, I always though we were to lie down and put a
      paper bag over our head or something.

      FORD: If you like, yes.

      BARMAN: Well, will that help?

      FORD: No. Excuse me, I've got to find my friend.

  8. Re:Conspiracy Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can only think of ONE group that has both the motive and means to cut off our communications and that is

  9. Perhaps they should have used AMDsat by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or even Cyrixsat... altough that would have probably overheated long before now :)

  10. Poll options by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny


    1) Solar Flux
    2) Those darn Russians
    3) Sensor installed upside down
    4) Kids with laser pointers
    5) Meteorite
    6) Tax purposes
    7) Unfriendly UFO
    8) Overheating
    9) Autodestruct after two-weeks of reruns

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  11. Another satellite down? by node+3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do I have to do everything around here?

    Just a moment while I get my old PowerBook so I can upload the virus to the alien ship.

    Bastards keep trying to take them over so they can communicate around the Earth (they traveled like 6 million light-years to get here and they didn't know the Earth was round?).

    Does this affect my broadband connection? Noooo. I don't even know why I bother...

  12. Re:Lost due solar storm?! by Rob+Carr · · Score: 4, Informative
    Satellite lost on January 14th, 5:32 EST, which is 12:32 UTC. The CMEs and radio blackouts you report were 7:10 UTC January 15th.

    There don't appear to have been any warnings on the 14th. It's unlikely it was fried by a solar flare.

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  13. How about JCSAT-1B? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm, curious. I'm assuming that this is NOT the same as the Japanese JCSAT-1B, operated by JSAT (a Japanese company). It has gone "out" as of today. Latest news is that a thruster broke down and it changed directions a bit. All communication channels are currently out cold. FYI, JCSAT-1B was built by Boeing. 3 satellites going out in just a couple months? Makes you think, no?

  14. This picture just in... by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 3, Funny
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  15. Explanation by jaavaaguru · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's reasonably likely that Metal Whiskers can caused this. Nasa also has more information about this pehnomenon. Both links I've provided have nice pics.

  16. Re:Conspiracy Theory by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Funny
    I can only think of ONE group that has both the motive and means to cut off our communications and that is

    Since you don't tell what goup it is, I'll have to guess. The fact that you post as AC and finally decided not to post it anyway strongly suggests you actually meant

    THE SLASHDOT CROWD

    Yes, that makes sense. After all, the slashdot crowd is well known of killing web servers (the so-called slashdot effect). They use a site tarned as "news for nerds, stuff that matters" to efficiently communicate the targeted servers for the DDoS attacks. It's only a logical next step from killing websites to killing satellites. Therefore everyone on slashdot is suspect. Oh, wait ...
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  17. Evil Accountants? by FEEBLE*BMX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So let me get this straight. Their satellite fries and they just transfer everyone over to unused bandwidth on their other satellites. Then they declare a $73 million dollar loss on their taxes. Does this fall into fiscal 2004 or 2005?

    1. Re:Evil Accountants? by digitalchinky · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to survey satellite downlinks in my previous life - the majority of satellites had large chunks of unused bandwidth - in some cases a few newly launched sats had their entire C and K band 'empty' - mostly Japanese owned birds.

      Intelsat has always been well loaded, they even palm off satellites in decayed orbits to various asian countries (deemed to be end of lifed) - probably just to eek out as much money as possible. I doubt intelsat will be happy about this. There is huge competition in the industry, it's no tax write off.

  18. Where to look by dave-tx · · Score: 5, Funny
    Just keep an eye out on ebay - like all "missing" merchandise, it'll show up eventually. Shipping charges will be a bitch, though.

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  19. Sunspots by dj245 · · Score: 3, Funny
    IS-804 Satellite is lost in space.

    Danger, Danger IS-804!

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  20. Re:Possible Reasons for satellite loss by NardofDoom · · Score: 3, Informative
    Let me be the first of many to point out that terrestrial bats don't have radar, just so nobody is confused. They have sonar, like dolphins, only in the air and while flying. It would be like you running through the forest at night screaming at the top of your lungs and listening for the echo to keep from running into trees.

    Space bats, however, would have to have radar or lidar because sound cannot travel in space.

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  21. Re:Why link to wikipedia?? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't speak for either of those two examples, but I can't be the only person who has stumbled across a website for some organization, spent ten minutes browsing it, and still been totally confused as to what it is they actually do.

    Wikipedia can be nice because it gets to the point.

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  22. Re:Why link to wikipedia?? by iantri · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Wikipedia is not "someone's opinion"; it is supposed to be neutral, and factual.

    A company's own website can't make that claim.

  23. Outsourcing bid by still+cynical · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're just trying to prove that the private sector can do what NASA does for less money. This was just proof-of-concept. For the full demo they'll slam another one into a planet.

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  24. Not an Explanation by maggard · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's reasonably likely that Metal Whiskers can.
    No, it's not likely, reasonably or otherwise.

    "Metal whiskers", vacuum deposition, etc. are well recognized issues in satellite construction. After a few thousand birds at many millions a pop the industry is quite savvy about avoiding these.

    The impending EU ban on lead in consumer products has no effect on the satellite industry (they're exempt; Li'l Jr. is unlikely to be teething on Intelsat 9008b and most of it's components aren't off-the-shelf but specialized radiation-hardened product runs).

    But thank you for reading the previous /. story on this and now trendily applying it to everything trying to sound knowledgable.

    "My code won't compile" " Metal whiskers! "

    "My candidate lost!" " Metal whiskers! "

    "Erectile dysfuntion" (all together now) " Metal whiskers! "

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