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Amateurs Beat Space Agencies To Titan Pictures

loconet writes "Nature.com is reporting that a group of enthusiastic amateurs managed to process raw images of Titan from the Huygens probe faster that any of the giant space agencies in charge of the mission. Terragen, a freeware program that converts the basic brightness data in aerial pictures into a topographical map, to generate the ground-level vista was used."

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  1. Without quality control... by topham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without quality control it's usually possible to beat a company, or organization to the punch.

    (And doesn't mean it is necessarily inferior in quality either).

    But it is a little unfair.

    1. Re:Without quality control... by krymsin01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actualy, yes. I was hanging around in #space on freenode when this was happening. If you know the height the pictures were taken at, you can compute the curve of the section you are trying map your images onto. From there, it's just matching lines and projecting onto a curved surface that matches what'd you'd be seeing at that height. It's slightly more complicated than just stitching the pictures together, but it yeilds a LOT better of a result.

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  2. No surprise there... by chris09876 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm impressed with them..., but it's not a surprise really. With the raw data images being released as soon as they were made available, anyone who was interested enough could begin processing them immediately. I doubt NASA/ESA thought it was a race. But still, great job for them! They probably did it for a fraction of the cost that the big agencies needed to process the images ;-) So much beaurocracy..

    1. Re:No surprise there... by TiredGamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not quite right. Remember a lot of scientists' careers ride on the precision of processing here, whereas these amateur guys aren't going to lose face. There's a lot more here than pretty picture, and in science speed can lead to errors.

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    2. Re:No surprise there... by kiltedtaco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They probably also have a fraction of the scientific validity. Dealing with these images is not easy. I assure you the scientists who were working on the mission are just as anxious to look at the data they collected as these other people. But pretty pictures, which are about all these people have created, are crap for scientific purposes.

      I've never dealt with images like they're using. And I won't. But I have dealt with astronomical spectroscopy, and I know that without the right calibration images, without knowing the details of the instrument, and the exact conditions of the exposure, your results are useless.

      Will these images get by a peer-review journal? Not a chance in hell. Extracting meaning from these data is a challenging and long undertaking, and I sure don't trust a "casual astronomer" to do it.

  3. I'll be impressed by kmhebert · · Score: 5, Funny

    When the amateurs can build a spaceship that can fly to Saturn!

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    1. Re:I'll be impressed by chris_mahan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, that, and land on Titan without crashing, and broadcast the signal back. Then I'll be impressed.

      I'll be even more impressed if they don't stick a "Fly Virgin" red and white sticker on it.

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  4. Well... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 5, Informative
    Terragen is awesome software, and amazingly the developers have kept the cost reasonable.

    I've been using it for some years now. It is surprisingly easy to load these grayscale images in a heigh-maps and get an accurate render. I'm kicking myself now for not thinking of doing the same thing!

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  5. Faster == better ? by RWerp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:
    Liekens does caution that not all of the pictures will be scientifically reliable, something that ESA and NASA obviously have to take care over.

    "We're impressed with their ability and enthusiasm, and looked at their images with great interest," says Bashar Rizk, part of the Huygens imaging team from the University of Arizona, Tucson.

    A key paragraph. Does fater always means better? Before we jump on the NASA/ESA bashing bandwagon, we should remember that both are renowned scientific institutions that gain reputation not by doing everything as fast as possible, but as accurately and precisely as possible.

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  6. Coolest thing is overview poster by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    The coolest thing I have seen from the great site gathering these open images (link in article) is a poster combinging and tying together all of the pictures seen so far here.

    It's 2MB and I wouldn't nromally link to something that big on Slashdot, but it's very cool and held in a .Mac account so it will hold up to load (I just hope it's not locked).

    It shows a picture of Titan, and the square from that that represents a blow-up of a small section, then links a part of that to the aerial view displaying the "rivers", then from that to the side view from above showing the shore, then shows in there where the landing site is and the picture from that.

    Enjoy!

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  7. Re:Open source space program, anyone? by brian.glanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Distributed contributions' are turning many industries on their heads; think of music and more lately the creep into entertainment at large, for example, Napster on.

    Science, even space science, has not been exempt from these sweeping changes even as those guarding the capitalistic infrastructure are, frankly, more intelligent and capable than those guarding 'entertainment' have been. It ought not to be that I need pay US$thousands to simply read scientific articles in the Journal of _______. The Internet exists because scientists pushed ahead (in the military's wake) in the name of information sharing. In protecting their overpaid publishers' investors, fat Universities and other players minting on controlled access to knowledge, the scientists have to some extent let us all down.

    I'd very well expect more significant contributions from 'amateurs' and including the crowd here, were the general quest for knowledge less constrained by capitalism. We have all the tools at our fingertips, literally, to undo more of the corporatism we can refer to roughly as 'closed source'. It's up to the real players though, the scientists themselves, to do as they have done here. Way to go, ESA. Viva la revolucion.

    BG

  8. I hope this is a hoax by Typingsux · · Score: 4, Funny
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  9. Re:Karma Whoring.... with pictures! by spac3manspiff · · Score: 5, Informative

    you mean
    http://anthony.liekens.net/huygens_static.html

  10. Re:Amateurs? by dark_requiem · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These guys are amateurs. They admit that they're not trying to compete for scientific accuracy with the major space organizations, and that they have taken creative licence with the coloring of these images, and that the details may be inaccurate. If they were trying to do a professional job of processing these images, with an emphasis on accuracy, then they would be doing a professional job, and you would refer to them as professionals. Since they are taking creative licence with the images, and admit to the distinct possiblity of inaccuracies, they are considered amateurs.

  11. All of the pictures by scatter_gather · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are all of the processed pictures from the leikens site, without bothering to properly mirror the site. They don't allow deep linking, so here you can play with just the images. For proper credits see the liekens site.

  12. Here are the Technical Details by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are extensive technical details on what they actually go through here

    See, for example, these field test photos of the camera in the Arizona area. as they say:

    To construct any of these projections, the direction of every pixel in each of the three imagers was measured and expressed as a nadir and azimuth angle in a spherical coordinate system centered on the imager in question. Parallax due to coordinate center offsets was ignored. The distortion due to the optical systems was removed using an empirically-derived unwarping function. The images were projected onto a mosaicking plane using one of several projection algorithms (mercator, conic, stereographic or gnomonic) defined below, causing the various images to be spliced together.)

    oooooooo.... Pictures.

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  13. Not just a "chat room" by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is very cool to see that this has been written up in Nature, however I'm a bit disparaged by the fact that the chat room that is mentioned here is not mentioned by name.

    If you would like to meet some of the folks who do this sort of thing, you should stop by #space on irc.freenode.net. #space is an unofficial channel for discussion of space-related science, exploration, and events.

    I've been around the channel since it split from #maestro, (a community of space enthusiasts who use the NASA Maestro program) and it is an exciting place to hang out during a space event.

    I would also like to note that I presented the Huygens imagery last friday afternoon to 100+ community members at Cornell University. Despite the fact that Cornell has many scientists on the Cassini mission, the #space channel was by far the fastest way to get the newly released data. If it was out on the net to be found - someone in there would find it.

    If you're interested in space it's a great place to go to answer questions or just to chat (flame wars about policy are kept in #space_politics :)). If you happen to drop by, I go by JPL-Justin in channel - say hello!

    Cheers,
    Justin Wick