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Review of Microsoft's Anti-Spyware Tools
happyslayer writes "Matthew Fordahl has written a review of Microsoft's anti-spyware tool and has declared it, in a word, 'ineffective.' Though the methodology isn't carried out completely (he uses another anti-virus program after trying MS's tool, but doesn't do the same with the anti-spyware tool), it's a fairly good anecdote on the MS product's usefulness."
But it's beta, and his methodology is just plain wrong. I'm not one to jump up and defend MS, but WTF?
I ran the current version of Spybot, then I ran the current version of AdAware (free version), and when I ran Microsoft Antispyware, it still found stuff to remove that the others didn't. That's proof enough for me. Of course I immediately uninstalled the MS Antispyware after running it, but that's besides the point. I would never let it run in the systray because if MS's reputation for bloat.
While the mods may be tempted to mod this up as "Funny," he's got a point. It's pretty well accepted nowadays that the only way to truly avoid spyware and viruses is to stop using Internet Explorer and Outlook.
I'm sure the Slashdot crowd will love this, even though everything I've heard and seen says it's the best product on the market in that space...and it's beta.
According to this story on the register, the MS anti spyware tool also labels Bitdefender (a romanian anti virus tool) as spyware.
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This is yet another band-aid supplied by none other than Microsoft. The company has become a bit of a holy saviour lately with all of these "solutions" to the problems with Windows.
I think most of us remember how Netscape died (rough analogy, I know) -- they just kept piling feature upon feature without digging deep to fix the problem in its roots.
If Microsoft keeps piling up all of this junk on top of Windows to fix other junk, they will soon see that these types of actions will soon become redundant, and they'll have to seriously start thinking harder about security.
I used it on my XP Pro. machine after running only ad-aware se personal, and it found nothing. Zero. The Big '0'. Guess it wasn't worthwhile, especially since my computer was noticeably laggy after it had run, which usually doesn't happen with other virus-scan/adware-scan programs.
First, I have never found any spyware problem that I could not resolve in approx 2 hrs or so. It is realtively simple. If Adaware and/or Spybot fail to detect and remove the infection, you have a few options. I do as follows:
1) Boot into safe mode.
2) Delete all browser helper objects. I usually leave Java installed unless it too seems infected (can happen).
3) Run msconfig. Select diagnostic boot. Then reboot into normal mode.
4) Now comes the fun. Open MSConfig and look at the registry entries and startup items. I use Google to identify what they do and note any suspicious items.
5) Just for protection, I create a restore point so I don't remove something I shouldn't and get into trouble. Then I use msconfig to select normal startup. When it asks if I want to reboot, I say "reboot later"
6) I go through the run keys (under HKCU and HKLM). I delete suspicious values. Same with the startup folder. I also review the drivers for anything strange and backup/delete as needed (I have seen drivers which I believed were involved in spyware).
7) Suggest to my customer (if it seems like a good idea) that we discuss migrating to Linux if they have continuing issues.
Reboot to test. Make note of anything that comes back. Reboot in safe mode if necessary to remove those values.
Granted this doesn't remove all the spyware programs, but it does disable their startup. By troubleshooting a problem for days and not being able to solve it, the author of the article has demonstrated that he doesn't really understand the Windows boot process or how to really troubleshoot it. Yes, I only run Linux, but I can troubleshoot Windows with the best.
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I can't believe this is story was posted. As much as I dislike MS on many levels, THIS IS BETA!!!!
Furthermore, some of the most effective anti-spyware tools I have used have broken windows before. It is in Microsofts best interest to be carefull in their approach to this. If they break legitamite programs with their tool, they a looking at lawsuits (EULA or no) and they have money to go after.
Please save the bashing until this thing is released officially as non-beta.
Sigs? We don't need no stinking sigs!
But it didn't remove the second because the file was a unist.exe. That didn't happen again!
I still have Spybot S&D and Ad-Aware, but MS's is a good supplement.
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...and I'll say it again, but there are Anti-Spyware devices that are the of my eye.
It is very slow however. I hope they make it less CPU intensive on startup when it comes out of beta.
A test of "I ran A but then I ran B and it found X left over" is meaningless by itself. You need to start over and run in the opposite order, to see how much A catches that B doesn't.
What Eric Howes found matches what service techs find. There's no tool with 100% coverage. Which, if you know any statistics, tells you that even running multiple tools doesn't guarantee anything. I tell any client who will listen to focus on prevention.
You know what else is wrong with the AP "review"? He keeps calling the "Malicious Software Removal Tool" (hilarious name, think about it) "antivirus". It's not intended to be. It's a bundle of a few cleanup utilities.
This article from a few days ago dubs spyware "IT's public enemy #1" and I have to agree. I admin a small network of about 100 Windows PCs and it's such a headache. Sure, I know how to clean a machine completely... but it involves an arsenal of different programs plus a lot of by-hand work and reboots and safe-mode and such.
The problem is, there is no one effective tool. The antivirus industry has matured. Granted, Symantec might not catch EVERYTHING but what it DOES catch covers everything I've ever come across, and 99.999% of what most other people will too.
SpyBot... AdAware... SpySweeper... Giant/MS Antispyware... each catches stuff the others don't. Doesn't matter what order you run them. And I can run ALL of them, and sometimes go into HijackThis and find more spyware still lingering. Sometimes it's remnants of some spyware the tool identified but wasn't effective in completely removing. Sometimes it's an entirely NEW piece of spyware.
So what's a corporation to do? Sure, some of them offer corporate versions... but since none of the catch a reasonable amount, there's no single one worth investing that amount of money in. So what do you do... manually spend an hour ever week on each machine? x100? x1000? x10000? It's crazy.