Not defending MS in the slightest, but it's extremely naive to think Open Source, and especially Linux is not recieving heavy funding and help fom the biggest players in the market. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
Is Linux capable of professional quality sound without glitching and problems? Absolutely! We already see Linux audio systems go hand in hand in the embeded market, and mobiles aside, even 100% rock solid pro gear like synthesisers. http://www.mvista.com/download/case_study_MontaVista_Linux_and_Yamaha.pdf
Unfortunately for Linux until a reliable standard is settled upon that encourages the big boys to play, the Linux audio issues will continue. Who wants to assist a small market that cannot settle on a singular framework?
Wow. Comparing loosely threaded highly profitable and hugely controversial scientology to religions that have been established thousands of years?
If an organization's purpose is to trick people out of their money for purely personal gain, people catch on. If not in years, or tens of years, most likely by the time people have been getting scammed out of their money by the same organization for hundreds of years, it will fall apart.
Then you know little about religion, religious organisations, history, etc.
All have scammed. All claim x,y,& z whilst holding out the offering bowl. Most are still here, and people are still as gullible as ever. Try and audit the Vatican. You cannot, people have tried, and the Vatican is protected by law
It doesn't really matter she named something that will outlive us all here. She doesn't seemed to have done much more than have existed as a good human, and that's more than many of us will ever be.
Respect please.
That's the problem with those windows fanboy's. They seem to hate all other OS. Why should you hate something so deep that is given you for free? There seems to be no rationalism behind it other than hating to see things developping for free.
Not hate. I use OO & Thunderbird on a daily basis in a Windows environment. Great stuff, but then I also use other free stuff like 64 bit Paint.NET which installs neatly and makes Gimp look like a 10 year old Photoshop clone.
Seriously, I've tried (since a 1997 coverdisk giveaway) many flavours of Linux, and it still doesn't offer me anywhere near the flexibility, hardware compatibility* nor variety of software that Windows does. That and not having to fiddle with dozens of journaling systems (I lost 2 hardrives to Ext2, Grrr)
Absolutely!
As an old time sound card user, the support from Linux until recently has been pretty dire and even now is pretty basic since many cards have included software that goes beyond the "ooh, this card produces sound" front to supporting 5.1 & 7.1 surround sound et al.
Here's a for instance...
I have an E-MU 1212m. Linux say they have drivers for this card. Great it produces sound. However, I have Windows software that let's me interact with that card, that takes full advantage of every input (digital & analogue), output (digital & analogue), and onboard DSP effects etc.
The truth is, is that full Linux support for Windows supported hardware is not as common as has been suggested.
It could have been Sun, IBM, Xerox, etc., it honestly doesn't matter. The response to the product here in Slashdot of all places says enough. There are enough people on this topic alone who can see the benefits. So, it doesn't matter who came up with the idea really. Sometimes you've just got to roll with it.
You could overload a USB connection using a MIDI controller but only on USB 1.0 since the MIDI data rate according to midi.org, "The MIDI data stream is a unidirectional asynchronous bit stream at 31.25 Kbits/sec. with 10 bits transmitted per byte (a start bit, 8 data bits, and one stop bit)." might push USB 1.0s 12Mbit bandwidth on multi MIDI channel connections.
But there's the puzzler. How many MIDI controllers recommend anything other than USB 2.0 which has a much higher bandwidth (480Mbit). You would need a MIDI controller pushing down a single hub every single piece of data possible on every one of 16 channels before it went titsup (and just what sort of setup would be required to do that?).
It took a reasonable ammount of MIDI abuse to get MIDI pops & clicks on a MIDI stream before USB 1.0, just what are you doing to overload a USB 2.0 MIDI channel?
Got to put Apple aside to flagwave the excellent GFA BASIC which ran in interpreted mode decently and when compiled quite close to C compiled. It ignored line numbers (an advance in those days for a BASIC) and in later versions included matrix operations. It was also very easy to learn partly down to the decent manual.
Perhaps I recall this wrongly but I'm sure the GFA Interpreter only version was included free on magazine cover discs.
How did anyone give this guy Score:4, Insightful?
Doesn't anyone here know about Babbage, Wang, or Lee?
Honestly, the US dudes need to look into their history to see how so many nations have contributed (outwith the stuff that was outright stolen - research into aeronautics especially) to their success.
It's more than an American issue if it happens. Why?
In the article it said, "Under the new law, Bush can declare any non-citizen an "unlawful enemy combatant" and put the person into a system of military tribunals that give defendants only limited rights. Critics have called the tribunals "kangaroo courts" because the rules are heavily weighted in favor of the prosecution."
Who is more of a non-citizen than everyone from outside the USA? Guantanamo Bay II anyone?
This bound to send shudders of disbelief and dismay around the world. It's not like the USA has much popularity lately even amongst its allies. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6286755. stm
Without getting into the misleading Porn Bigger Than Hollywood debate, if the porn industry does go for HD-DVD then it will be a bonus for the HD camp.
Just by having people buy HD players to watch porn means that they are quite likely to buy mainstream too.
Here's a company that used another company (Apple Corp) name but agreed to not step into the music realm but who eventually won the right to sell music online, who now wants to have a telecommunication product named iPhone, already used by another company and is allegedly wanting to use iTV which is a well known established television company.
Who's next, iNtel?
I don't belive Steve's experience is isolated or anecdotal. I had almost exactly the same issues when installing SUSE last year. SATA, HDD mounting & NVidia.
I've watched and installed various flavours of Linux over the years and there has always been two things that draw me back to MS.
1. Hardware support - Quite simply I can buy almost anything for the PC, install it and have it working immediately with very little effort. With Linux you can wait years and it might still be broken or not fully featured: SATA being a fine example for waiting and sound cards for features. To be fair Linux does a have a good run with older, and often obscure hardware.
2. Choice. It's often touted that there is like for like but that isn't true. Photoshop is Photoshop and GIMP is GIMP. Until almost all the major Windows applications of that quality make the leap then Linux is always going to stay where it is today.
First I think part of the problem, is your average geek would prefer speed and efficiency over simplicity while non-geeks prefer the opposite.
Absolutely untrue. Your non-geeks expect speed and efficiency even more so from the brand new PC they've just spent a small fortune on. They dislike waiting. Lengthy loading times or pauses in the flow of work/play cause concern. They do not willingly accept being unable to get to a website because it has been Slashdotted.
I'm sure you were trying to be funny but really, geeks don't hate non-geeks, they just don't see the problem and thus no reason to fix something that isn't broken. They would rather focus on developing something cool.
Only that the non-geeks suffer from too many who reply with 'RTFM'. Lets be honest, apart from a few helpful sites there are a lot of smug geek out there who think they hold the keys to some mythical computing holy grail and see lesser mortals as unworthy of such knowledge.
This is also why I tell people who are looking at new computers to buy a mac. This way, they get an easy to use computer with all the nice GUI elements that apple provides, and when I have to use their computer, I still have access to the terminal and all the UNIX goodness that is under the hood of OS X.
Whoops!
Personally I would love for Linux to come up with a GUI that is as easy to use as OS X. (Yes, yes, Ubuntu is easy to use but it's still not on par with OS X... some people can be really dim) However, I think most developers don't really know how to solve the problem.
The desktop is the least of the Linux problems as far as newbies are concerned. KDE3 is fine.
The bottom line is what's acceptable to humans. Yes, machines are able go all Stockhausen and Minimalist to the nth degree when suitably programmed, however there is no way that they can judge what is being played is remotely musical. Check C-Sound experiments for human acceptable music with machine involvemnt taken to extremes.
Sure it could jam if programmed correctly. Key, tempo and rhythm can easily be identified. As for soloing, that's just as simple, as the rather poor but many years old Band In A Box does this already.
The question should be would you rather have session musicians a la robot, or humans that can create something off the wall but still musical?
You're missing intereaction, besides that very human quality of judging how well a performance is going.
Often a performer gives a much more musically enjoyable performance depending on the feedback which only the performer can decide upon. I'm betting a computer could be trained for years trying to pick up on this point and still fail to click.
Performances are generally meant to entertain. If we wanted a dry rendition we'd opt for a recording.
"What does this mean for musicians?"
I'd imagine very little. The subtle nuances that a human can deliver upon an acoustic instrument can easily be captured no matter how minute. Even variations can be programmed so that no two performances however similar are not quite the same.
The only thing that springs to mind are those rare occurrences whereby a band or orchestra feed off the enthusiasism given by a live audience. This requires soul, something that cannot thankfully be quantified as yet.
"Did this guy forget that NVidia is designing the GPU for PS3? If Cell is so almighty, why does Sony uses NVidia GPU instead of using more Cells for graphic prosessing?"
Price? Why spend a fortune trying match the graphicly rich quality on the PC, when the hardware & development tools are already plentiful. Makes sense if you're trying to hit low consumer price point.
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Awful, no matter which platform this arrives on.
Not defending MS in the slightest, but it's extremely naive to think Open Source, and especially Linux is not recieving heavy funding and help fom the biggest players in the market. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
Oooh, you're one of those recent Linux converts. Would you like me to read from the Man pages aloud whilst you shout n00b every two minutes?
Is Linux capable of professional quality sound without glitching and problems? Absolutely! We already see Linux audio systems go hand in hand in the embeded market, and mobiles aside, even 100% rock solid pro gear like synthesisers. http://www.mvista.com/download/case_study_MontaVista_Linux_and_Yamaha.pdf Unfortunately for Linux until a reliable standard is settled upon that encourages the big boys to play, the Linux audio issues will continue. Who wants to assist a small market that cannot settle on a singular framework?
Wow. Comparing loosely threaded highly profitable and hugely controversial scientology to religions that have been established thousands of years? If an organization's purpose is to trick people out of their money for purely personal gain, people catch on. If not in years, or tens of years, most likely by the time people have been getting scammed out of their money by the same organization for hundreds of years, it will fall apart.
Then you know little about religion, religious organisations, history, etc. All have scammed. All claim x,y,& z whilst holding out the offering bowl. Most are still here, and people are still as gullible as ever. Try and audit the Vatican. You cannot, people have tried, and the Vatican is protected by law
It doesn't really matter she named something that will outlive us all here. She doesn't seemed to have done much more than have existed as a good human, and that's more than many of us will ever be. Respect please.
That's the problem with those windows fanboy's. They seem to hate all other OS. Why should you hate something so deep that is given you for free? There seems to be no rationalism behind it other than hating to see things developping for free.
Not hate. I use OO & Thunderbird on a daily basis in a Windows environment. Great stuff, but then I also use other free stuff like 64 bit Paint.NET which installs neatly and makes Gimp look like a 10 year old Photoshop clone.
Seriously, I've tried (since a 1997 coverdisk giveaway) many flavours of Linux, and it still doesn't offer me anywhere near the flexibility, hardware compatibility* nor variety of software that Windows does. That and not having to fiddle with dozens of journaling systems (I lost 2 hardrives to Ext2, Grrr)
*Linux does legacy, Windows is right of the box.
Absolutely! As an old time sound card user, the support from Linux until recently has been pretty dire and even now is pretty basic since many cards have included software that goes beyond the "ooh, this card produces sound" front to supporting 5.1 & 7.1 surround sound et al. Here's a for instance... I have an E-MU 1212m. Linux say they have drivers for this card. Great it produces sound. However, I have Windows software that let's me interact with that card, that takes full advantage of every input (digital & analogue), output (digital & analogue), and onboard DSP effects etc. The truth is, is that full Linux support for Windows supported hardware is not as common as has been suggested.
It could have been Sun, IBM, Xerox, etc., it honestly doesn't matter. The response to the product here in Slashdot of all places says enough. There are enough people on this topic alone who can see the benefits. So, it doesn't matter who came up with the idea really. Sometimes you've just got to roll with it.
You could overload a USB connection using a MIDI controller but only on USB 1.0 since the MIDI data rate according to midi.org, "The MIDI data stream is a unidirectional asynchronous bit stream at 31.25 Kbits/sec. with 10 bits transmitted per byte (a start bit, 8 data bits, and one stop bit)." might push USB 1.0s 12Mbit bandwidth on multi MIDI channel connections. But there's the puzzler. How many MIDI controllers recommend anything other than USB 2.0 which has a much higher bandwidth (480Mbit). You would need a MIDI controller pushing down a single hub every single piece of data possible on every one of 16 channels before it went titsup (and just what sort of setup would be required to do that?). It took a reasonable ammount of MIDI abuse to get MIDI pops & clicks on a MIDI stream before USB 1.0, just what are you doing to overload a USB 2.0 MIDI channel?
Got to put Apple aside to flagwave the excellent GFA BASIC which ran in interpreted mode decently and when compiled quite close to C compiled. It ignored line numbers (an advance in those days for a BASIC) and in later versions included matrix operations. It was also very easy to learn partly down to the decent manual. Perhaps I recall this wrongly but I'm sure the GFA Interpreter only version was included free on magazine cover discs.
How did anyone give this guy Score:4, Insightful? Doesn't anyone here know about Babbage, Wang, or Lee? Honestly, the US dudes need to look into their history to see how so many nations have contributed (outwith the stuff that was outright stolen - research into aeronautics especially) to their success.
For a such tiny nation Scotland still does a lot for the world in terms of providing world firsts and educational achievements. Go Scotland!
It's more than an American issue if it happens. Why? In the article it said, "Under the new law, Bush can declare any non-citizen an "unlawful enemy combatant" and put the person into a system of military tribunals that give defendants only limited rights. Critics have called the tribunals "kangaroo courts" because the rules are heavily weighted in favor of the prosecution." Who is more of a non-citizen than everyone from outside the USA? Guantanamo Bay II anyone? This bound to send shudders of disbelief and dismay around the world. It's not like the USA has much popularity lately even amongst its allies. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6286755. stm
Without getting into the misleading Porn Bigger Than Hollywood debate, if the porn industry does go for HD-DVD then it will be a bonus for the HD camp.
Just by having people buy HD players to watch porn means that they are quite likely to buy mainstream too.
Here's a company that used another company (Apple Corp) name but agreed to not step into the music realm but who eventually won the right to sell music online, who now wants to have a telecommunication product named iPhone, already used by another company and is allegedly wanting to use iTV which is a well known established television company. Who's next, iNtel?
I don't belive Steve's experience is isolated or anecdotal. I had almost exactly the same issues when installing SUSE last year. SATA, HDD mounting & NVidia. I've watched and installed various flavours of Linux over the years and there has always been two things that draw me back to MS. 1. Hardware support - Quite simply I can buy almost anything for the PC, install it and have it working immediately with very little effort. With Linux you can wait years and it might still be broken or not fully featured: SATA being a fine example for waiting and sound cards for features. To be fair Linux does a have a good run with older, and often obscure hardware. 2. Choice. It's often touted that there is like for like but that isn't true. Photoshop is Photoshop and GIMP is GIMP. Until almost all the major Windows applications of that quality make the leap then Linux is always going to stay where it is today.
The bottom line is what's acceptable to humans. Yes, machines are able go all Stockhausen and Minimalist to the nth degree when suitably programmed, however there is no way that they can judge what is being played is remotely musical. Check C-Sound experiments for human acceptable music with machine involvemnt taken to extremes.
Sure it could jam if programmed correctly. Key, tempo and rhythm can easily be identified. As for soloing, that's just as simple, as the rather poor but many years old Band In A Box does this already. The question should be would you rather have session musicians a la robot, or humans that can create something off the wall but still musical?
You're missing intereaction, besides that very human quality of judging how well a performance is going. Often a performer gives a much more musically enjoyable performance depending on the feedback which only the performer can decide upon. I'm betting a computer could be trained for years trying to pick up on this point and still fail to click. Performances are generally meant to entertain. If we wanted a dry rendition we'd opt for a recording.
"What does this mean for musicians?" I'd imagine very little. The subtle nuances that a human can deliver upon an acoustic instrument can easily be captured no matter how minute. Even variations can be programmed so that no two performances however similar are not quite the same. The only thing that springs to mind are those rare occurrences whereby a band or orchestra feed off the enthusiasism given by a live audience. This requires soul, something that cannot thankfully be quantified as yet.
"Did this guy forget that NVidia is designing the GPU for PS3? If Cell is so almighty, why does Sony uses NVidia GPU instead of using more Cells for graphic prosessing?" Price? Why spend a fortune trying match the graphicly rich quality on the PC, when the hardware & development tools are already plentiful. Makes sense if you're trying to hit low consumer price point.
But, the app works! It's one of those rare beasties that does what it says. The only folk that should fear it are those with something to hide. :)