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Ubuntu Preps Next Release

linuxbeta writes "Ubuntu Linux is getting ready for their next release of their ultra-popular desktop distribution. Their third milestone was recently released, but you don't have to download it to try it out. Head over to these fresh Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Array 3 (Hoary) screenshots to see what Ubuntu has up its sleeve." And if you haven't looked at OSDir for a while, you might be pleasantly surprised; the thumbnail views make it much easier to navigate.

50 comments

  1. hands up... by PrivateDonut · · Score: 0

    if you feel that /. should be reporting on new linux releases, and further than that pre-releases.

    1. Re:hands up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hands up if you think Slashdot should use modern html standards.

      I can't read this damn /. article at all because the text is all overlapping ...

    2. Re:hands up... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Increase your text size one increment, then decrease it one down. Shortcut keys vary by browser

      That should fix it.

      Are you using Firefox/Mozilla by chance? It's a know n problem, i get it too occasionally.

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    3. Re:hands up... by Kick+the+Donkey · · Score: 1

      I really wish slashdot would re-tool their site with a table-less layout. Its not that hard to do, and think of all the bandwidth they'd save!

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    4. Re:hands up... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here. By broken, i mean non-functional. Seems to work ATM.

      Besides, i kinda like the old style. Reminds me of the interent before the dotcoms came and went.

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  2. Screenshots? by Heftklammerdosierer! · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Since when are screenshots a viable alternative to trying it out yourself?

    1. Re:Screenshots? by dn15 · · Score: 1

      The thing is, most desktop-oriented distros have an easy install process and are comparable in terms of hardware support. So what's left once those things are taken care of? Well, a lot of people value a good default theme, menu layout, and configuration tools. And screenshots are good at showing these differences. Even if it is, for the most part, a pretty stock Gnome install.

    2. Re:Screenshots? by pyros · · Score: 1

      A couple things that Ubuntu does that I found particularly snazzy are the Trash panel-applet, no desktop icons, and the extra top-level menu on the Menu Bar panel applet. The extra menu includes user preferences and system preferences (rather than putting them in the Applications menu), and a few other things. I think they have another top level menu for navigating your computer, to (like the Go menu in Nautilus).It doesn't seem like anything special at first, but I found it to be pretty useful. Overall, these changes are pretty small, but have a pretty good overall effect on usability.

  3. As I sit here on my work pc by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    Struggling to get windows xp to give me a command line or show the task manager, because for some reason these are sluggish when the domain controller is down (wtf?), I sorely tempted to just nuke the drive and install ubuntu. Sure, there's that small issue of my work requiring me to use Visual Studio to do C++ development, but hey, that's what WINE is for.

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    1. Re:As I sit here on my work pc by miyako · · Score: 1

      speaking from experience, Visual Studio 6 seems to work ok under Crossover Office, .NET will work, sort of, but it's a huge pain in the butt. It's a little slow, but VMware is really your best choice if you have to do Windows development under Linux.

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    2. Re:As I sit here on my work pc by agraupe · · Score: 1

      bochs or qemu is also an option for emulation, and gambas is quite similar to VB (although I think direct ports are impossible). Sigh... there's still hope, I suppose...

  4. Not to troll, by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where are screenshots of the interesting (i.e. unique) things about this distribution? All I saw was a showcase of Gnome 2.8. About 2 screenshots were of synaptic, and there was absolutely nothing of its installer. That, being a Gentoo user, would be what I am most interested in seeing.

    1. Re:Not to troll, by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      nowhere.
      the installer pics are perhaps the same as earlier..

      but really, a short text about the new features would have been worth a million pictures in this case.

      these screenshot fests are not that useful for anyone. i guess they bring them traffic though.. must be a reason why they're there-

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    2. Re:Not to troll, by blixblix · · Score: 1

      I think it's actually Gnome 2.9.x

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    3. Re:Not to troll, by dubious9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was thinking the same thing. As for Ubuntu itself, it's a very pretty/polished version of debian. For this release, after some digging around I found the main Hoary wiki . On that page there is a link to the main goals of this release.

      In short: Gnome 2.9/2.10, Xorg, LiveCD redesign, more package management ie. update notification, KickStart (auto-installation).

      There are many smaller improvements (or ones that might not make it in) and of course updated versions of packages. There are no big bombshells and your desktop will likely look the same.

      The killer feature I would like to see is the integration of RedHat/Fedora's Anaconda installer. , a la Progeny Linux. Why do we deal with Ncurses based installers anymore? Other than that, keep up the good work, I love the distro.

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    4. Re:Not to troll, by Directrix1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, here are my reasons: 1) You don't need GUI elements for an installer 2) ncurses based UIs are just as effective 3) Linux boot CDs are notorious for not running under an acceptable refresh rate on LCDs 4) You don't always have an X driver for your video card on the distro CD

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    5. Re:Not to troll, by dubious9 · · Score: 1

      1) You don't need GUI elements for an installer

      True, but then again, you don't need a lot of the eye candy that ubuntu has. Anaconda is more accessible and non-forboading like a ncurses-based install is.

      2) ncurses based UIs are just as effective

      They can be. But the debian installer that ubuntu uses isn't as easy as anaconda, especially in the partitioning stage. What is that a happy face? Skull and crossbones for partitions that you want to format? Anaconda is simply easier to read. Could there be a better ncurses-based installer? Sure, but why not use one that looks better, is already available, and ported to work for another debian distro?

      3) Linux boot CDs are notorious for not running under an acceptable refresh rate on LCDs 4) You don't always have an X driver for your video card on the distro CD

      That's why you keep the text version available in case of video failure. Also, live CD's are getting very good at X detection. Furthermore Ubuntu isn't targeted at the wide range of hardware that debian is. Most of the installs will have sane, popular video hardware. The technology is there to get almost all of the video hardware detected and handled correctly. Again, even if it fails, there's the ncurses backup.

      The installer is the first impression that people get from a distro. With slick installers like those in SuSE, Mandrake and Fedora, why would you not what to go in that direction?

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    6. Re:Not to troll, by pyros · · Score: 1

      here, here , and here. Also notice the Trash panel applet.

    7. Re:Not to troll, by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

      Well, nothing wrong with graphical by any means. Just make sure it is easily determined how to get to the text mode install, like make it a GRUB option or something.

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    8. Re:Not to troll, by dubious9 · · Score: 1
      That's exactly what I'm suggesting. At the GRUB menu prompt display:
      Press "enter" to start installation,
      "safe" to enter text-mode installation, or
      "advanced" for more options.
      :>

      Then everybody is happy. ;)
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  5. must be done... by WMD_88 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    New Ubuntu version soon...except in Nebraska! ;)

  6. Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 2, Informative
    It is really good so far. Its a little buggy (I don't recomend it for most people) but is has lots of software (more than Sarge, a little less than Sid) and the new Gnome looks great.

    Anyone that likes Gnome should try out the Preview Release of Hoary coming out in March. All the extra bug reports could make it one of the best distros ever.

    It will be a good finished project.

    1. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      What? more than Sarge? I couldn't find any packages i wanted in the Ubuntu mirrors. I ended up adding the Sarge mirrors and trying to use that. Then i wiped Ubuntu and put sarge on.

      Now that im back on a gaming binge, Sarge is gone and WinXP is back (i dont want to pay for cedega). Needless to say i practice repartitioning a lot :)

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    2. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by Louis+Guerin · · Score: 1

      ... more than Sarge, a little less than Sid

      Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15400 packages, 1386 maintainers, 28553 MB installed size, 9132 MB compressed size.

      Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16447 packages, 1429 maintainers, 32302 MB installed size, 10338 MB compressed size.

      from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/applications/doc ument_view: "fully supported software list of 1,300 packages."

      Yup, just another /.er with no fucking clue what he's talking about...

      L

    3. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by Gherald · · Score: 1

      > Needless to say i practice repartitioning a lot :)

      And yet you are aparently unversed in the complex art of having multiple operating systems installed simultatneously on multiple partitions...

    4. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by wild_pointer · · Score: 1

      Synaptics says I have access to 16237 packages after I enable universe (and 3 reps with 10 or less packages)... so he's almost right :-)

      ps. Hoary is more stable than any other desktop distro I've used.

    5. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by tomboy17 · · Score: 1

      I'll second the goodness of the coming GNOME. The first thing I noticed was that they finally made type-ahead searching work right on treeviews. No more "C-f" to search -- now you just start typing in any list or treeview, and you'll get a helpful box showing you what you've typed (a la firefox) and instant selection of your item. Among other things, this makes the much-bemoaned new filechooser much more usable for the keyboard-centric (though C-L is still often faster). The one thing missing from their keyboard search AFAICT is a nice way to search-again (i.e. jump to the next hit) in a list. I instinctively try "C-g" but no luck.

      Now there's just one major GTK change I'd like to see implemented soon: selection-via-typing on all drop-down ComboBoxes. I've implemented a hack version of this for my own gtk app because I couldn't stand not having it, but I'd much rather have it built into the toolkit. Everyone I know is used to type-ahead for comboboxes on web forms; I wish they'd make it universal across GTK soon.

      At any rate, Ubuntu + GNOME's new release system is making great things happen and happen fast. I imagine a lot of debian users (like me) will make the move soon if they haven't already.

    6. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Actually, its because I'm poor and only have 25 gigs of space.

      And to the other comment - Yes, i did. Then i added the marrilot mirror.

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    7. Re:Well, I am using Hoary right now and.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /me looks at four 10gb drives lying in the trash bin Sucks to be you.

  7. Debian by chrisvdb · · Score: 1

    I was wondering the following. In the beginning there was a lot of talk about the relationship of the Ubuntu developers with Debian (most Ubuntu developers are Debian developers). The original Ubuntu line was that they would give as much back to Debian as possible (as this would make their own life also easier). Now I was wondering if that really happened or not?

    Another interesting question is why Ubuntu seems to be able to release frequently and Debian doesn't... the size? because the Ubuntu developers are paid for their work? because they're differently managed (managed, tout court)?

    I love Debian, but would seriously consider installing Ubuntu when I install a new desktop machine next time.

    Chris.

    1. Re:Debian by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Now I was wondering if that really happened or not?

      Ubuntu upstreams the bugfixes for the Debian packages they use. It has been implied to me on the official Ubuntu forum that these bug-fixes are not always used by Debian developers.

      Another interesting question is why Ubuntu seems to be able to release frequently and Debian doesn't... the size? because the Ubuntu developers are paid for their work? because they're differently managed (managed, tout court)?

      Well, first of all, Ubuntu only supports three archs- AMD64, i386, PPC. Debian supports many more. Also Ubuntu only focuses on Gnome as a desktop, and only "officially" supports 4000 packages. The unsupported packages do get some work, but just like in testing for Debian, some the of the obscure packages might be buggy (never happened to me, I install a lot of stuff). The releases are also quicker because there are less decision makers- which means faster resolution of problems. Hoary gained Xorg with much less pain than Sid will acquire it!

      You should try Ubuntu when Hoary comes out. If you like Gnome, its a great version of Debian.

    2. Re:Debian by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      They also have a different lock and release schedual. Instead of waiting a nice long while like Debian, they simply take a snapshot, bugfix if possible, and put it out as an official release, more often than Debian does.

      That last sentence sucked, but im tired and couldn't figure out how to say what i wanted while not horribly breaking grammar.

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  8. Its not that bad by GtKincaid · · Score: 1

    I was recently trying out the hoary beta release(upgraded from warty) and it has aparently been quite stable for me . I normaly use promepis on one machine debian sid on another , however i felt that ubuntu deserved a go.
    So i downloaded warty and played around and decided to to a dist-upgrade with apt-get to see how the latest version was comming along.
    firstly the good ,Ubuntu is light which really really is a positive step for a mainstream distro. the installer only installs a minimum of software . At first this annoyed me as it was missing a few things that i had latter had to download, alas i dont think im the target ubuntu user and my wife seemed to have everything she needed for office and internet so i realised this was a good thing as opposed to bloating the hardrive by default(*gives a funny look at some other distros in this field*).
    After the upgrade to hoary i was fairly suprised how stable the unstable realease was . it had alot of very recent packages (Gnome 2.9 as opposed to 2.8) and a whole list of other usefull packages on the repositorys(which i was glad to see)
    However it wasnt all good , i had a few problems with the way the root setup was handeld , basicaly the first time a user opens the root console from the menu you must enter a password for root .Now thinking about this im not sure if root was sitting aorund with a default password till this point or was simply deactivated however i do disagree with the handeling of this matter.
    The installer although being an old text installer ( which i prefer) was very light on options even in the expert install , I can see where this is a good thing for the novice user, however i imagine most novice users will also prefer a gui.
    The last problem is one i personaly never experianced , however talking to a couple of freinds who installed it on a drive containing windohs ,It apears that the grub instalation is slightly buggy in some set ups and wont point to the windows instalation properly (this was with warty and im not sure if its still a problem in hoary)which is a a real problem for alot of novice users(and for me having to walk them through grub setup),
    all in all though it was a very fine distro ,with only a few problems which i understand the ubuntu team are working on/worked on . Hoary seems to be very good and the repositorys grow daily .

    1. Re:Its not that bad by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Actually ubuntu disables root. You are ment to use sudo for all root commands. The root console in the gnome menu is simply gksudo gnome-terminal I belive. That would run the terminal as if you were root.

  9. Re:mmmmm by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    You have a valid point that some may think it's tacky, and I happen to think the color theme is nasty (and i hate having pictures of people anywhere in my interface - actually, everything has to be somewhat abstract for me to like it. Think default KDE).

    But there are better ways of expressing your opinion, that will not end up with you as a troll or flamebait, and people tend to listen/react better.

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  10. When is it going to be released? by tka · · Score: 1

    Should I believe what is said on their webpages?
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    Release schedule
    The following are the current planned releases:
    1. Ubuntu 4.10 (The Warty Warthog): October 2004
    2. Ubuntu 5.04 (The Hoary Hedgehog): April 2005
    3. Ubuntu 5.10 (The Grumpy Groundhog): October 2005
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    Which would mean that this article was published at least two months before appropriat time IMHO.

  11. Nope. by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Neither you nor the guy in #11453924 above uncommented the universe/multiverse lines in sources.list.

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  12. Otherwise by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
    "2. Ubuntu 5.04 (The Hoary Hedgehog): April 2005"

    Otherwise known as the "hope Sega does not see this and sue!" release.

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  13. "hoary" hedgehog by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    A kid could get in trouble saying that. So I've installed a whorey linux distribution, because it's more active with the community and includes wallpapers of semi-nude women.

    It's working pretty good, having upgraded through the apt repository rather than reinstalling. The switch to XOrg fixes some video related crashes I've had with absolutely every other distribution. There is a new problem where it fails to reach the desktop exactly 50% of the time after I log in, but I'm sure that'll be fixed before the stable release or I did something wrong. All things considered, it was worth the tradeoff.

  14. O.o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    return -ENOTNEWS;

  15. KDE? by yamla · · Score: 1

    I use Ubuntu at home. I love it. And I fully understand (and absolutely support) their decision to go with Gnome.

    But what I really want is Ubuntu with KDE. This is personal preference, I just prefer the way KDE feels. I know I can use KDE applications under Gnome but that's not enough for me, I want KDE.

    So, how easy is it to run Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome? The Ubuntu forums express disdain for anyone who mentions KDE, so I have no clear idea if even the necessary debs are packaged up, though obviously I could just download them from another repository.

    And I'm well aware that I may simply not have found the wiki page or whatever that discusses how to run KDE on Ubuntu. But if someone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

    I'm willing to briefly state why I prefer KDE to Gnome but I'm not willing to argue about which is the better window manager. Use Gnome if you like, I'm happy for you.

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    1. Re:KDE? by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 2, Informative
      So, how easy is it to run Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome?

      Basically it works great. And Hoary will have KDE 3.3.

      Here my (wordy) opinion of using the universe KDE.

    2. Re:KDE? by yamla · · Score: 1

      Is it mostly a matter of changing from gdm to kdm and changing which window environment starts up?

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    3. Re:KDE? by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 1
      Is it mostly a matter of changing from gdm to kdm and changing which window environment starts up?

      And apt-getting KDE.

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  17. Why so many pictures of the games? by khasim · · Score: 1

    17 screen shots of games? And most of the others were shots of menus.

    I use Ubuntu at home and I really like it, but this article doesn't show anything about it.

    Ubuntu is clean and lean and handles hardware detection just fine on my box.

    Of course, since it is based on Debian, the installer isn't important. You'll only use it once.

  18. Re:KDE|GNOME = steaming pile of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :o