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Disc Writers Now Print the Label Too

gardolas writes "Rippers and burners with an eye for design have a new way to smarten their image. Disc writers that can print images onto the label sides of the discs will hit the market next month. The LightScribe system has been developed by Verbatim and HP."

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  1. Obvious question, but... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...how much extra does the media cost that'll let you write to the label side?

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    1. Re:Obvious question, but... by Blapto · · Score: 5, Informative

      LightScribe blanks will cost more than ordinary discs, but Verbatim says the difference will be less than the price of a sticky label and the ink needed to print on it. But anyone wanting to use the new system will need to buy a LightScribe drive, and that will cost around $200.
      Says the New Scientist article linked to above. So I'd guesstimate that it would be around 50 cents per disk...

    2. Re:Obvious question, but... by phalse+phace · · Score: 2

      From the article, "LightScribe blanks will cost more than ordinary discs, but Verbatim says the difference will be less than the price of a sticky label and the ink needed to print on it...."

    3. Re:Obvious question, but... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      who cares.

      until it can print in full color and cost nothing extra per disc except for the 36 cents in ink like my Epson R300 on the CD's and DVD's it's a joke that will not catch on like Yamaha's system that will put lettering or GFX on the data side empty space.

      One set of ink carts in my R300 will print full color on over 200 CD's.

      That is only 36 cents in ink for 100% color coverage on each disc. I can easily quadruple that yield by printing only black or color text and no photos, graphics or backgrounds.

      Oh let's add one more thing, how much you want to bet that only windows will be able to print on the discs, linux, OSX and other operating systems will not be allowed to use that valuable secret printing technology.

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    4. Re:Obvious question, but... by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=lightscribe memorex 10 pack is ~8 bucks

    5. Re:Obvious question, but... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well forget the marker for writing to CDs, the folks behind LightScribe (HP) have given us 101 USES FOR YOUR PERMANENT MARKERS.

    6. Re:Obvious question, but... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      The market for this is not people who need to just write on the blank disc.. It's for people who want to put an image on a blank disc with their contents. As someone has already noted, small bands pressing their own music is a great application. Other applications could be small software companies. It appears that the first discs are about $8 for 10 which runs about 0.80 per disc. More expensive then regular blanks but still affordable.

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    7. Re:Obvious question, but... by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Says the New Scientist article linked to above. So I'd guesstimate that it would be around 50 cents per disk...

      Where one can buy a printer like the Epson Stylus R200 and use ink jet printable media. The printer fetches $100 and the printable media 25 cents to 77 cents each plus ink. You can print on regular media but the drytime is 1-7 days and the quality is piss poor. I have only printed 100 DVDs with it so far on one black cartrage. The black cartrage runs about $20 for the Epson or less than half for a generic.

      There is also the Signature Z1 CD/DVD Printer which is a 200dpi thermal ribbon printer that fetches $140 or so. The ribbon fetchs $20 or so which from what i've heard prints on about 200 cds. So about 10cents a piece. This can be cheaper if you buy brand name media like Verbatim.

      LightScribe looks nice, wouldn't run like liquid ink can, and would take up less desktop space but it isn't here yet. At least with the two above options there is a snowball's chance in hell the media will still be around in 5 years.

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  2. That's a good idea by DoorFrame · · Score: 5, Funny

    At last the goatse guy can make an album! I've been waiting for so long. And hell, the hold is already built into the disc!

    1. Re:That's a good idea by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll never hold a CD the same way again..

    2. Re:That's a good idea by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't celebrate yet. Last time I tried some cover printing on a CD over at a friend's house, it got permanently stuck in my CD player. Yep, it was the most expensive label I ever paid for.

    3. Re:That's a good idea by AceCaseOR · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm... were' not talking about sticky labels here. We're talking about a special, dye-coated layer on the label-side of the disk. Once you've burned your CD you stick the disk, label side down in the drive. You tell the computer your design, and it will "burn" the image (through a photochemical reaction rather than actually burning away the dye) onto the surface of the disk. No sticky lables that can get stuck in the CD player involved at any time. RTFA.

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    4. Re:That's a good idea by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      At last the goatse guy can make an album! I've been waiting for so long. And hell, the hold is already built into the disc!

      Want something even worse? Consider what a CD looks like when it's stored in an ordinary (single-CD) case. The part in the centre looks like a puckered... umm... and you have to stick your finger in it to get the CD out.

      I'm listening to nothing but MP3s from now on.

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    5. Re:That's a good idea by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you and the grandparent poster have just revived the tape back up industry.

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  3. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now they can nail you for reproducing copyrighted artwork on your CDs full of downloaded music...

    Add another 20 years in the pokey...

  4. word choice? by brewman123 · · Score: 2, Funny
    This means that rather than have to write the contents onto the media by hand, use a separate specialist (word choice?) disc printer, or sticky label, users can achieve silk-screen quality images using LightScribe-enabled Verbatim CD/DVD discs with the optical drive's laser pickup.

    apparently a bad word choice for "word choice?"
  5. Next month? by glenmark · · Score: 3, Informative

    Er, they are already available. I know someone who has one....

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    1. Re:Next month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well it was next month, the first time /. ran this story.

    2. Re:Next month? by SlySlick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, the computers have been available in retail outlets since at least Christmas, having sold many of them myself in the last month. Very nice concept and a strong selling point as well. Now all we can hope is that the technology becomes as widespread as Betamax...

    3. Re:Next month? by Bariclef · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a warehouse coordinator for a major electronics chain I can tell you that we first started getting HP models with this technology about two weeks ago. Check web sites for the HP a832n, a820n As for the media, Verbatim has a 10 pack (non-spindle) of the CD-Rs for $7.99.

  6. Fantastic! by bigtallmofo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will make it much easier to label the 42 DVD+Rs it takes to back up the home MiniDV digital camcorder videos I store on my computer.

    Now if only they'd do something silly, like agree on future DVD standards that actually might make a removable media device that keeps up with today's hard drive sizes, we'd be set. In the meantime, we now have been spared the torture of printing DVD labels on a separate device. That's something.

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  7. Good for the hobbyist by Bluesuperman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cool ... finally I can make pretty images for my Linux distro CD's !!! I think this will be good for the home user and hobbyist but not for professionals. Michael.

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  8. or here by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From march

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    1. Re:or here by SenorPez · · Score: 2, Funny
      So, what do you call a story that's posted three times?
      "Filler."
  9. Not Yet by Adrilla · · Score: 2, Informative

    Call me when they print in color, the FAQ says it only does grayscale.

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    1. Re:Not Yet by dswensen · · Score: 2, Funny

      I won't buy one till they can print in stereoscopic 3D and holograms.

  10. Re:Neat concept by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is actually pretty pointless. Seems like a gimmick to keep drive prices high, and therefore profitable.

  11. Re:haven't these been around for years? by Doomstalk · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's the tech where you can burn an image into the data side of the CD. This is different.

  12. I can see this looking really dated, really fast by dim5 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I can't watch TV for half an hour without seeing the snowboarding ad showing off LightScribe.

    Sure, it's cool... the first time you see it. But it's all done in one sepia tone. I don't see how the technology could advance to include color using a CDR laser, so prepare to get all the monotone fun you can handle. As soon as a more useful idea for CD labelling comes along, no one will be impressed with LightScribe, and the people that couldn't wait to use it will be embarassed to, because it will have gone from looking "high tech" to very dated.

    Kind of like my Casio wrist camera.

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  13. Needs a built in label scanner.... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since probaly 90% of CD burning is disc duping, you really need a scanner to dupe the label too.

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    1. Re:Needs a built in label scanner.... by renehollan · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Noooo...Need a standard to store the label data on the disk itself, somewhere...

      /me smells patent.

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  14. Re:Neat concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not seeing the "pointless" part. At the moment, I label my CDs and DVDs with a black marker (which can result in illegible labels, at least for others). My other option is to use a round-shaped label and a separate printer (and hope that either I or the printer don't screw up and have to print a second copy). I don't see that something that takes additional user error and adds convenience is entirely 'pointless'.

  15. Normal inkjets that can print on the label side... by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... are available right now at Costco. It blew me away -- there's a separate feed for putting your disk in the printer, and it prints your image on the textured label side of the disk.

  16. Message from a beta-tester... by minga · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was a beta tester for the LightScribe program and have one of the external burners. Here are some answers about MY experience.

    1) There are 3 different modes/quality settings for burning the graphic. Good/Better/Best. The "BEST" setting is the darkest, and takes around 45 minutes for a good graphic. Pure text is quicker. And the "good" setting burns really quick with just plain text.

    2) I forget the software provided - but it's a basic label making software package that usually prints on Avery labels. It is pretty powerful and easy to use. Easy to import graphics, manipulate text, etc. Works with any font you have. And even comes with about 30-50 "built in" designs that are soft of cheezy - but look good.

    3) The media is "special". No idea of cost. My big complaint was that the print able service was GOLD. So, the dark didnt show up as well as I had hoped it would. If the top was silver or white it would be alot cooler. Hopefully they figure out a way to do that.

    4) The external burner is either FIREWIRE or USB2. It is a CDRW burner. It is also a 4x (single layer) DVD burner. Mine is external and BLACK - comes with a seperate power supply cord that is nice and small. I never tried it in Linux, sorry.

    5) Right now , the media is CDR only. But when I asked about DVDR media in LightScribe format I was not greeted with "no, way". But instead I was informed that if the media became available during beta testing, they would send it. That sort of tells me its in the works.

    Burning: The only problem I ever had was burning some DVDR images using Nero. I dont know why it didnt work. Got to 99.9% done and never finished. The problem eventually fixed itself. Everything worked perfectly with the provided software.

    Overall (This is what I told HP as well):

    I was happy with the device and would continue to use is AS LONG as the media wasn't TOO pricey.

    The burning of the image takes too long - but for CDs that I REALLY care about - I am willing to wait. But I wouldnt use the fancy light-scribe media for all the crap I burn and only use once or twice.

  17. DUPE by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dupe.

    This only confirms that the finger of this site isn't on the pulse, it's errr ... hidden somewhere else.

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  18. Dupe by AaronStJ · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is a dupe of a dupe

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  19. User Friendly? by morganjharvey · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article:
    More recently, special printers that print directly onto a disc's label side have come onto the market, but the process isn't very user-friendly.

    My Epson Stylus R300 can print directly onto printable CDs. The process isn't that hard. You have to feed a special tray into the front, but that's about it. You have to use Epson's special software, but you also have to use special software for these doodads. Yeah, you have to buy special media, but I'm guessing the price is about the same as for the LightScribe discs.

    And the Epson does pretty darn good color and has software for the Mac. (At the time of this writing, Mac support for LightScribe was only available as an SDK for integration into other applications.)

    -mo

  20. Removable drives by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now if only they'd do something silly, like agree on future DVD standards that actually might make a removable media device that keeps up with today's hard drive sizes, we'd be set.

    There are two such standards: "USB hard drive" and "FireWire hard drive".

  21. Needs to be taken a bit further by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It should be able to add something to an already labelled disk. Perhaps by printing a marker and reading it.

    Here I have a set of shell scripts that make a list of files, do the backups, open the CD tray, pop up a dialog window, and burn the CD when I click "okay". All that would be needed to make it even better is to print a mark on it.

    I'm thinking of something like burning a calendar on the CD, then being able to burn over it to indicate the day the backup was made.

  22. Talk about weird timing by Cassanova · · Score: 2, Interesting
    For some random bizzare reason I headed over to the HP site about an hour before this article was posted and spec'ed out their top of the line system with what I would have wanted (the pavilion series). I managed to reduce their recommended configuration (which was $1800+) to about 1000 (cut out the 3 year HP extended warranty among various other things). It was there that I was quitely dazzled by their "LightScribe" writer that they were giving as an upgrade.

    Then I hit slashdot and see this article posted. Now thats what I call Extra-Slashdottery-Perception. ;-)

  23. HP and Compaq already shipping.... by thracky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work at a large national electronics retailer and I can say that HP and Compaq are already shipping systems with Lightscribe enabled drives however we don't yet have the media to take advantage of that yet.

    The Compaq SR1350NX and I *believe* that HP A820N both have the Lightscribe enabled drives, but I know only of the Compaq for sure.

  24. Lightscribe Compatible DVDS already out by knix · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looks like Verbatim and Imation already have their LightScribe DVDs out.

  25. Re:Dupe/Tripe League Table! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Funny

    It would be interesting to see this information compared to total articles posted by an editor to come up with a batting average.

    Then we could start a fantasy slashdot league, pitting teams of editors against each other. =)

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  26. Sharpie by Preferred+Customer · · Score: 3, Funny

    So I'm thinkin' of makin' a font called "Sharpie" for those who want to do things the long way round.