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Cracking iTunes' DRM with JHymn

comforteagle writes "Howard Wen has interviewed 'FutureProof' of the JHymn project, a DRM removal application for iTunes song files laden, or 'crippled' as some say, to prevent filesharing. FutureProof tells us how Apple's DRM works, how to rip it out using JHymn, how they build on the work of 'DVD' Jon Johansen, and how to upgrade to that brand new iShuffle safely."

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  1. What will Steve Jobs say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Probably "Send the lawyers. Have him killed immediately."

  2. You know... by FireballX301 · · Score: 5, Funny

    At this point, I've decided to get out of the game. No IRC-crawling, no Kazaa, no DRM-breaking.

    It's much easier to use the five-finger discount.

    1. Re:You know... by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the penalties for real stealing are much less than fake stealing.

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    2. Re:You know... by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In other words, it's harder to rationalize stealing from a real store than it is to rationalize stealing from an online-only store.

      It's got nothing to do with either law or morality. It's just got to do with how far you're willing to delude yourself. Is that it?

    3. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You completely missed the point. The point being: it's less of a headache to walk out of a store with a CD than it is to deal with DRM, and if you get caught stealing a CD, the punishment isn't as severe.

    4. Re:You know... by moonbender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other words, you like to take other people's words and give them a totally unrelated spin.

      It's got nothing to do with either law or morality. It's just got to do with posting flamebaits and being smug. Is that it?

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    5. Re:You know... by MikeXpop · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's because the RIAA gets revenue if you steal it from a store. If you go to your local strawberries and steal the last London Calling, they're going to have to buy more. To the RIAA, it's indistinguishable from a normal sale. The only one who gets screwed in that case is the insurance company.

      Remember kids, stealing music helps the artists!

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    6. Re:You know... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, it does have to do with morality. Stealing CDs is morally different (note I didn't say better or worse) than downloading MP3s, because CDs are physical. Stealing physical property deprives the owner of its use. Pirating digital property does not.

      From the point of view of the RIAA, downloading MP3s is worse than stealing CDs because it implies you are participating in the global piracy rings called P2P services, and probably committing thousands of copyright infringements automatically as people download files from you. While stealing CDs is bad, it doesn't scale the way P2P does.

      From the point of view of many Slashdotters, downloading MP3s is better than stealing CDs because they believe the concept of enforcing artificial scarcity for intellectual property is misguided when in reality there is no such scarcity. Stealing CDs is still bad, because CDs are physical objects and thus scarce by nature.

      By now you probably think I side with the Slashdotters. Actually lately I have been leaning toward the RIAA (slightly). I can see that enforcing scarcity on IP does provide incentives to produce it; thus encouraging the production of more and higher quality IP (i.e. Hollywood movies, big-name computer games). Without that enforced scarcity, many of the incentives (i.e. $$$) go away, and it is hard for me to see how IP of the quality we have today would continue to be produced. Maybe Windows could be replaced by Linux, but the LOTR movie trilogy, Doom III, World of Warcraft, etc are not like Linux. I would be very sad to see a world which could not produce them.

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    7. Re:You know... by kesuki · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, they don't know it's stolen, until someone asks a retail clerk about where the last copy of London Calling is, and the computer indicates the store has 3 copies on hand, and a quick inventory realizes that a 5-finger discount has liberated said store of 3 copies of London Calling. I say 3 copies, because many stores down to a single copy will automatically reorder a copy, so as to avoid loss of sales due to out of inventory issues. This of course may hinge on unsold copies in a warehouse somewhere owned by said company, or a store with computer inventory records of 4+ copies of said title, which may invoke a redistribution of unsold copies to locations more likely to sell the merchandise etc... but the point is, the RIAA doesn't get additional revenue beyond the revenue they would have gotten for the cd just sitting in a warehouse somewhere until and unless demand dictates that the company orders aditional copies... and in the case of music, backorders are usually only performed on custormer request, at additional charge, and only when said warehouses/other retail locations have exhausted supply.
      But yeah, 5-finger discount has a lot lower risk/reward ratio vs digital piracy. let's see, $50,000 per song, or 5 days community service per CD stolen*... hell yeah 5-finger discount all the way!!
      *= unless you're in california, and the 3-strikes law applies to you. then 20 years to life... but that's california, and you need to have commited 2 felonies and been convicted too.

    8. Re:You know... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't give a damn about your moral system until you try and impose it on me, e.g., use the government to force me to pay you money to do stuff with my own private property that I would ordinarily be able to do for free.

      As far as "God-given property rights" are concerned, even if I weren't agnostic, I'd dearly love to hear you quote the Scriptures which define ideas as property, especially since a great deal of the Scriptures emphasize getting their own message distributed as widely as possible.

      Patent and copyrights don't have _anything_ to do with private property, and have everything to do with greedy people who have a greatly-self-inflated idea of the worth of their own ideas trying to force people to give them money they don't deserve.

    9. Re:You know... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The fundamentals of capitalism is ownership of property, and the ability to protect property.

      Your definition is partial - it doesn't include compensation for the act of providing services. The more general definition is to apply the law of supply & demand to "things of value", which includes both property (by the commonly understood definition) and services.

      Property is a legally defined term by goverment.

      Technically, but I think most people would refuse to accept it if the government something like the color "red" as someone's private property. It might be LEGAL, but that doesn't make it really "property" by a moral, society-beneficial or even common-sense standard.

      I think that most people would accept the basic idea of property as something that can be counted or measured. They also understand that this implies that only one person can have a piece of property at a time - if someone else gets the property, then the original person doesn't have it anymore. Even "intellectual property" law doesn't try to apply real property conventions to "ideas", since the people drafting the laws knew that would never fly. Instead, they've set up a bastardized system of a special "legal status" of being a copyright or patent holder as legally-defined property, and let people buy & sell those.

      The recording industries have been using extensive propaganda to try and get people to confuse real property with "ideas", but if you start showing people examples of how "intellectual property" law lets people they don't know arbitrarily stop them from doing whatever they want with their own private property, almost everyone except the most die-hard "intellectual property" fanatics get annoyed. People who work out solutions to thorny problems, try to sell a product or service based on those solutions, then get slapped down by bozos abusing the patent office also tend to get annoyed with the so-called "intellectual-property" laws. The main reason some people LIKE intellectual property laws because they see a way where they force people to pay for stuff that people wouldn't ordinarily want to pay for.

      You confuse performance with service.

      I'm not confusing anything - a performance _IS_ a service, with the expectation that if the service pleases the audience, they will compensate the performer somehow. A song on a CD is NOT a performance - it is a hunk of plastic whose value has been increased by encoding something on it which can be converted to pleasing sound waves.

      Probably the easiest way to understand the importance of intellectual property is to look at trademarks (which is a form of property protection).

      No, trademarks are an intended form of FRAUD protection - to prevent people from fraudently selling product or services associated with another person or company's. They were never intended to be a "product for sale", although a few people have been abusing the trademark laws that way.

  3. I love this shit by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope stuff like this teaches companies no one wins with DRM. Not themselves, as they're made look incompetent when DRM is cracked ("Protected CDs" rippeable pressing CTRL?), and certainly not their customers.

    If it's digital, and the end user can see / hear it, it can be copied. Perfectly. Deal with it, and make it interesting to buy instead of pirating.

    1. Re:I love this shit by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Protected CDs" rippeable pressing CTRL



      That was shift.
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    2. Re:I love this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      "When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago. It took us 18 months. And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work. We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content."
      -- STEVE JOBS
    3. Re:I love this shit by jxyama · · Score: 2, Insightful
      i see your point to a degree, but it's also a fact that no matter how good the product is, no matter how low the price is, no matter how compelling the offerings are, some, non-negligible amount of people will "pirate," and think nothing of gaining personal enjoyment (or worse, profit) at the expense of others, including creators, right holders, distributors and above all, respecting/paying consumers.

      i don't know the proper way to deal with it. but i can see why DRM is being used. i don't think it's as black and white as, "it'll never work, so just quit it."

    4. Re:I love this shit by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given. So why bother a paying user if your product is going to be pirated anyway? It's a battle you can't win; you might as well accept it as a price of doing buisness. I've been saying this for games aswell, where "no-cd" patches are simply necessary in order to play the game without it becoming an annoyance.
      You just can't keep digital media from being pirated. It's as simple as that. Try a different aproach.

      For example, i like buying CDs. I like having a nice, pressed, shiny CD with a good looking booklet. I like buying books, and i like buying DVDs.
      I also download a lot, even though i usually end up buying what i really like. I would buy a lot more, but the thing is, music/dvds and even books are still way too expensive. Why not lowering the price, knowing that you'll still make a profit? (no, i don't beleive $20 for a CD is reasonable)

    5. Re:I love this shit by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Half-Life 2 sold like crazy because it was probably the most overhyped game in recent times. It also was a good game to boot, but i know quite a few people who didn't buy it because of their hatred of Steam. And i'm one of them.

      It was pirated the same; in fact, there was a NO-STEAM a day after release. So you could argue it was less of a hassle for pirates to play it than it was for some users from what i've read :)

    6. Re:I love this shit by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "If it's digital, and the end user can see / hear it, it can be copied. Perfectly."

      The act of stripping the DRM puts the user in a different legal position. I think the industry's threshold is the point where users must go to significant lengths to get around it. For projection that, for example, is based on a CD that autolaunches DRM software, users can reasonably argue that they didn't even realize there was protection (they use Mac or Linux, or have autolaunch turned off or something).

      I don't think you can really get significnatly better (read: harder to copy) than FairPlay on a general purpose computer. Until you can (eg, DRM hardware is standard), the industry will probably allow the current situation to continue.

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    7. Re:I love this shit by shark72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So why bother a paying user if your product is going to be pirated anyway? It's a battle you can't win; you might as well accept it as a price of doing buisness."

      Accepting it is not the same as not taking measures to reduce it. Ask any retailer; they'll tell you that there's always going to be a certain amount of shoplifters, but rather than simply give up trying to fight it, retailers put anti-shoplifting measures into place. These, too, can bother paying users, but retailers have evidently done careful analysis to understand that it's worth the tradeoff. Case in point: Costco (or whatever your local club store is) has chosen the route of inspecting your reciept on the way out, rather than just simply giving up and "accepting" shoplifting. Perhaps Slashdot users know better, but I doubt it. It's a complex situation that cannot be resolved with simple bromides such as "piracy will happen, so give up on DRM."

      "I also download a lot, even though i usually end up buying what i really like. I would buy a lot more, but the thing is, music/dvds and even books are still way too expensive. Why not lowering the price, knowing that you'll still make a profit? (no, i don't beleive $20 for a CD is reasonable)."

      Huh? CDs haven't been $20 in years, and prices have been falling rapidly. The average price of a new CD dropped 4% last year, to $12.95. The record companies are way ahead of you on this one.

      I've lost you on the "knowing you'll still make a profit" part, though. The record industry gets by with pretty shitty margins in general, and many CDs lose money.

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  4. What is that old saying... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    'If you encrypt it, they will come...'

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  5. Why crack it? by Sheetrock · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you didn't want DRM, you'd buy the CD. It seems like a lot of hassle to set up an account, buy the music, download the music, crack the music, then convert the music to get to the same end result.

    Admittedly, without the thrill of "fighting the man", but in this case "the man" is giving you virtually everything you asked for (inexpensive music you can try before you buy with the ability to download exactly what you want and make mix CDs, which you could then rip as well without needing this tool.) Now Apple is going to have to crack down again.

    What does this win us? The music industry can point to this as another example of why the restrictions need to be in the hardware and the hardware manufacturers are already in their pocket as far as the next generation of motherboards are concerned. Thanks to the pirates, those of us who buy the stuff again have to pay with further restrictions.

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    1. Re:Why crack it? by TLLOTS · · Score: 2

      Actually DRM is steadily becoming more common on CD's today as well, so your alternative isn't truly anymore viable than just downloading it and removing the DRM components. At least downloading it you get to choose what songs you want, rather than buying a cd with two good songs and sixteen crap ones.

    2. Re:Why crack it? by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you didn't want DRM, you'd buy the CD. It seems like a lot of hassle to set up an account, buy the music, download the music, crack the music, then convert the music to get to the same end result.

      I wasn't aware you were able to get custom made mix CDs at stores with tracks numbering in the 100s of thousands. Cool.

      Obviously iTunes is popular because some people don't like to spend $13+ on an entire album when they only want one song. They want to make their own mixes and still not have DRM on them I guess.

    3. Re:Why crack it? by returnoftheyeti · · Score: 2, Informative
      The biggest draw of Itunes is that is is instant gratifaction. You hear a clip, you want the album, you get it NOW!

      No driving to the store, hunting through overpriced bins, etc... And after you purchase that music, and saved it to your fileserver, you want to be able to listen to it wherever, whenever. So rip the DRM out of it and play it on your MP3 player, your Linux box, your toster, whatever.

      Plus, My g/f just bought an album off of ITunes for $10. Some obscure band that she just had to have a copy of their album. You think my local Worst Buy stock that album. I doubt it. Amazon.com had it for 17.99, plus a week for shipping. Of course the first thing she asked me was to put it on her USB thumb drive so she could listen to it at work. I told her se couldnt, because she could only listen to it on Itunes, and of corse she cant install Itunes at work. So I learned to use Hymn and ripped it to MP3 and she annoyed her coworkers all day playing New Age Goth music
    4. Re:Why crack it? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why crack it? Why not just buy the CD and rip it?

      1 - Because the CD probably has DRM on it too, these days.

      2 - Because even if you get a non-DRMed CD, eventually, someday, downloaded music may become the normal way to buy music, and CDs will go the way of the vinyl LP.

      Either way, you're going to need a way to get rid of the DRM so that you can listen to your own music as you see fit.

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    5. Re:Why crack it? by bogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " If you didn't want DRM, you'd buy the CD. It seems like a lot of hassle to set up an account, buy the music, download the music, crack the music, then convert the music to get to the same end result."

      Why should I buy an entire CD when I can buy the two or three songs I want via a brillant interface that's better than any other online music service? And its not a hassle. One-time setup of account, 99c a song and a quick run of Jhymn is hardly a hassle.

      "but in this case "the man" is giving you virtually everything you asked for (inexpensive music you can try before you buy with the ability to download exactly what you want and make mix CDs, which you could then rip as well without needing this tool.) "

      So circumventing Apple's DRM one way is okay but another way isn't? Wow, great logic. Let me ask, if I record to a tape from my audio out of a DRM file is that illegal as well? If the end result is the same what's the difference? Who is being harmed when the end result in a unencrypted file in EVERY SINGLE CASE. What because your taking the extra step of going DRM-CD-RIP and someone else goes DRM-RIP your method is somehow better for Apple? In what way? Why are you even suggesting Burning and Ripping? Are you one of those people who upload all of your Itunes music to P2P? Oh no wait, that's what you Apple defenders are constantly accusing us paying customers of doing.

      "What does this win us? The music industry can point to this as another example of why the restrictions need to be in the hardware and the hardware manufacturers are already in their pocket as far as the next generation of motherboards are concerned"

      Or they could point to the built in loophole of ripping from CD which rendered Apples DRM useless from day one.

      "Thanks to the pirates,"

      Excuse me? Pirates? Who? The people who PAID APPLE for each and every song and use a program which ONLY works if your the one who purchased the music in the first place? Yea those bastards!

      The Pirates are on P2P sharing songs they never bought. The people using this tool aren't pirates. Get it straight already. And get over your holier than thou, how you dare use a product in a way other then intended attitude. You've benefitted more from reverse engineering and people using products in ways not intended then you could possibly imagine.

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    6. Re:Why crack it? by Dragoon412 · · Score: 4, Informative

      But your implication is that the RIAA is actually asking what people would want to pay for music. Apparently they aren't.

      These are people who make a business running artists into the ground. The cartel has effectively monopolized the music industry, shooting themselves in the foot in the process.

      Think about it: what's the RIAA's big justification for the high cost of CDs and the reason they financially destroy so many artists? They claim they have to take a big risk on artists, as it's expensive to produce, tour, promote, etc.

      Who said rockstars need to have their every whim catered to? Who drove the cost of music videos through the roof? Who demands artists pay $20,000/hour for some "big name" producer to hit a few buttons in Pro Tools? Who demands artists pay thousands an hour for studio time? Who created this bloated, overinflated, cookie cutter music market where it's ridiculously expensive to get exposure? Who helped create the radio station conglomerates like Clear Channel and Infinity? Who created this situation where it's prohibitively difficult for non-affiliated artists to get more than small, local exposure?

      The whole point, is the industry is solely responsible for this situation they're in. They flat-out lie in press releases. They slander their own customers, and treat them like criminals. They charge too much for a lackluster service, and now we're supposed to feel sorry for them? When's the last time the industry showed any good will towards its customers?

      No, the RIAA isn't listening; they're oblivious and out of touch. No one wants DRM. Yet they insist on it. We want more reasonably priced music, but they won't give that to us, either. Yet they've created an environment where it's exceedingly difficult to be exposed to music that isn't being actively pimped by them! And now we're supposed to bend over and take it in the ass while they use one law to make an end-run around another and screw us out of our rights?

      [b]Fuck them and the horse they rode in on[b/].

      The truly stupid thing about this is that iTunes already provides a mechanism for doing what JHymn does - burn a CD, re-rip it. Problem solved. All JHymn does is streamline the process a bit.

    7. Re:Why crack it? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No per-track at all. A flat-rate or collective license model would work. The collective-license model would work best, since in that case, they could simply allow P2P to operate legally. The users would, in that case, absorb the costs of bandwidth, distribution, and manufacturing of the CD's if desired. All the labels would have to do is sit back and collect the money.

      Of course, given that, they could no longer -control- distribution. Might that be the reason for the resistance to something which in every other way is pure profit for them?

      However, a flat-rate model would also work. And I'm not talking "RealRhapsody"-I'm talking a per-month flatrate for downloadable, burnable, DRM-free content, with EVERYTHING available, not just whatever few labels they can get to sign on, in (within reason) a format of choice-perhaps choices between .mp3, .flac, .ogg, and a raw uncompressed format.

      When they offer that (provided the fee isn't astronomical), I'll have my credit card ready. Until then, I'll keep right on downloading. And by the way, guys-DRM is trivial to break.

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    8. Re:Why crack it? by Don+Negro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who demands artists pay $20,000/hour for some "big name" producer to hit a few buttons in Pro Tools?

      Dude, it's the grossly underpaid engineers who hit the buttons on Pro Tools.

      The "big name" producers usually sit on the couch and go "I don't know, what do you think."*

      *Yes, there are exceptions, but not many.

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    9. Re:Why crack it? by Dragoon412 · · Score: 3, Informative
    10. Re:Why crack it? by fingusernames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who said rockstars need to have their every whim catered to? Who drove the cost of music videos through the roof? Who demands artists pay $20,000/hour for some "big name" producer to hit a few buttons in Pro Tools? Who demands artists pay thousands an hour for studio time? Who created this bloated, overinflated, cookie cutter music market where it's ridiculously expensive to get exposure? Who helped create the radio station conglomerates like Clear Channel and Infinity? Who created this situation where it's prohibitively difficult for non-affiliated artists to get more than small, local exposure?

      Uh, the people who paid, still pay, and continue to pay for it? Big-evil-corporations exist because people pay them money. Nobody needs music on CDs/records/tapes, or encoded in mp3s. Nobody has a right to it. The only rights involved are those of the creator and of those to whom he delegates his rights.

      Nobody forces an artist to sign a contract with a big label. They do it of their own free will, generally because of greed. They aren't content with having their "real" jobs, playing at local venues when they aren't working to pay rent, perhaps growing popular through word of mouth. They want to "hit it big" and think they need the power of an agent/label/distributor/so-on. Such is their right.

      That a work of art should have protection against copying was an obvious and fundamental enough concept that our ancestors enshrined it in the Constitution of the United States as an explicit obligation of the Congress to enforce, over two hundred years ago, when music was sold via lyric sheet. The mental product of your fellow man has value, and is worthy of legal protection. Regarding DRM, finding some clever way to open a vault and remove the gold within makes it no less theft. Finding clever ways around DRM to extract the protected work within makes the act no less theft.

      Nobody has the right to music, or software, cable TV or for that matter health care. Something that requires the labor of another is not a right. To believe otherwise is to believe that others must labor uncompensated (see: slavery) for oh-so-special you. If you don't like the price being charged, if you don't like the terms of the sale (usage restrictions), don't buy it, and don't steal it. Something that is worth stealing is worth protecting. You know that, they know that.

      It's very simple. If enough people cut restricted/expensive music out of their lives entirely, the market will adapt.

      Larry

    11. Re:Why crack it? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Artists and such could follow such an open-source model. The FSF might be against that, but I don't work for them, and I have no problem with that concept.

      Also, artists could be paid based on number of downloads. If a million dollars are available, and my song is downloaded 999,999 times to your 1 time of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I get the 999k and change, and you get a buck. It is possible to get pretty accurate statistics through random sampling, ask TV about Nielsen ratings. Networks can also be sampled more widely. Not perfect, but very close (and really, the imperfections would amount to no more then current clerical errors on cue sheets). As to where the money would come from, it would come from a "pool" from the flat rates paid, or under collective license model, under a tax on (media/bandwidth/CD burners/take your pick). That pool would be divided according to popularity (so no, your version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star does -not- weigh in equally with Nickelback's new single. Unless you get the same number of downloads.)

      And of course, artists would still be able to perform live. There is certainly something about seeing Dave Matthews live that downloading a videotape of the performance doesn't even begin to capture, as is true of many other artists. Not everything can be digitized, but this model would be very fair to both producer and consumer for those things which can be.

      And not everyone downloads this stuff. Some people prefer to go to Best Buy and purchase their shiny new CD/DVD/shrinkwrapped software package. Those people will not be going away anytime soon. But in the meantime, some of us don't. And every successful company in the world learns this-it's a cliche, but most cliches get that way because they're correct.

      The customer is ALWAYS right.

      When your customers say "We want this", you have several choices. You may find a way to deliver what they want, in the way they want it, at the price they want it, and make money. If you do this, your business will succeed. You may decide it's impossible, close up the shop, and go home to try something else. Or you may tell your customers that they're wrong, and try to push on them what they don't want rather than give them what they do. In that case, you should spend time researching bankruptcy lawyers, you'll need one pretty soon.

      Currently, the "IP industries" are telling us-their customers-that not only are we wrong, we are thieves. I wonder, if I get into law school specializing in bankruptcy now, how soon I can graduate? There'll be a need pretty soon. Treating your customers like criminals is not, anywhere that I've seen, advised for someone who wants to run a successful business. And don't kid yourself that this is theft. This is an intangible. Theft is walking into the store and walking out with an item (a physical one) for which you did not pay. What's going on here is more akin to walking in and talking to the salescperson for a while, but not buying anything. You cost the company money, granted (they pay those salespeople, and they could've been selling to someone interested), but by the logic of the **AA's, that company should be able to sue you. For causing them-not real damages, but imaginary, potential damages.

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  6. Prevent filesharing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for iTunes song files laden, or 'crippled' as some say, to prevent filesharing.

    or crippled files to prevent me from doing whatever I want with the files I BOUGHT, thankyouverymuch. I don't share, I don't pirate, but I demand total freedom when it comes to changing from one's format to another.

    1. Re:Prevent filesharing? by newwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then it does not sound like you want to buy iTunes. Why would you support something that you do not agree with?

  7. Nothing, just as he's done for months now by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When Hymn first came out (under a different name) they released iTunes 4.6 almost right away which would not see files that the old Hymn had converted - by recognizing one aspect of the converted files that was particular to Hymn generated files.

    Hymn released a fix in short order - I think back in July? It was a long time ago anyway. And since that time, Apple has done nothing to shut down project-hymn.org. And multiple releases of iTunes since then have done nothing to stop these files from playing - which it cannot do because they are now identical to files that you rip from CD yourself with AAC!!

    If Apple could or would do anything about Hymn, they would have done it by now.

    Since sales on ITMS have kept going up, no-one really cares if you can break the DRM or not.

    I'm not sure if Hymn still does it, but it used to even keep the ID of the owner in the file to make it impractical to share on P2P networks (as it could easily be traced back to the owner). I thougt that was a nice touch to show it really was not meant for piracy.

    I use Hymn myself, no to crack my master files but to break them so I can share them at work. The annoying thing about iTunes sharing is that if another user is not authorized to play a song it halts and brings up a dialogue, making true random play over another users library impractical. Once a co-worker and I even went so far as to authorize each others computer to play our music so that we could listen to the libraries of the other.

    I don't feel like using DRM cracks for this use is at all like P2P, since it's just streaming the song and not transferring it - plus lots of people discover music they might not have otherwise and it helps those artists out (which I feel P2P does as well, but it's a different and much greyer case).

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    1. Re:Nothing, just as he's done for months now by nightgeometry · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually itunes 4.7 breaks hymned files.

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    2. Re:Nothing, just as he's done for months now by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When Hymn first came out (under a different name) they released iTunes 4.6 almost right away which would not see files that the old Hymn had converted - by recognizing one aspect of the converted files that was particular to Hymn generated files.

      Hymn released a fix in short order

      Yeah, it was really annoying that Apple did that -- the entire reason for that uniqueness was to discourage copyright infringement by putting up a big red flag saying "this song was came from ITMS." Combined with the fact that it (still, hopefully) leaves the Apple user ID the hope was that Apple would sue copyright infringers (like the RIAA, only with an accurate way to tell who's infringing). Instead, Apple forced them to remove the feature, which was stupid because it was in Apple's own best interests to have it there in the first place!

      I wouldn't call it a "fix;" I would call it a "regrettably necessary workaround of Apple's stupidity."

      I don't feel like using DRM cracks for this use is at all like P2P, since it's just streaming the song and not transferring it...

      Just FYI, there are several programs (for example, Leechster) that allow people to download from iTunes shares instead of just stream. It's still not in the same league as Kazaa, since you have to be in close physical (or logical, in the case of VPNs) proximity to use it, though.

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  8. I just used JHymn by adamgee · · Score: 3, Informative

    To churn through 10 GB of music I had either purchased through iTunes, or ripped myself using AAC (drinking the koolaid made me use AAC over MP3). All legally obtained. Why? TiVo desktop cannot play AAC/m4p files, only MP3. So I either spring $200+ for and airport card and airport express to stream my music to the stereo, or convert it to something more useable. Worked like a charm. I wouldn't have to do it if Apple/TiVo would get it together and let me use my music on the gear I already own.

    1. Re:I just used JHymn by edge_crumbler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is EXACTLY why I want to use it too. I have just got a new mobile phone that does AAC and I want to play the tunes I bought off ITMS but I don't want the hassle of having two sets of music, one DRM free and the other not for my iPod.

    2. Re:I just used JHymn by valkraider · · Score: 2, Informative

      In your "import" settings, change the import format to MP3 and then the "Convert Selection to" will also change to MP3. (Not very straight forward, and kind of annoying)

  9. Re:hope he doesnt get used by El+Gordo+Motoneta · · Score: 2, Informative

    "dvd jon went had to go thru a lot of hell for what he did"

    Dvd jon proved to us that we have a right to use our purchased media in whatever way
    we see fit as long as we don't break copyright (or other) law.

    EULA? what EULA!? I'm copying music from my computer to my mp3 player, then
    on to another computer, all for my personal use, in the privacy of my home.
    No law broken here.

  10. FairPlay LIMITS sharing, doesn't prevent it by Queer+Boy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FairPlay limits filesharing, it doesn't prevent it. Computers just have to be on a local network and they can listen to all your music whenever you want. I forget how many as Apple has INCREASED the number of people you can share with since they came out with FairPlay.

    You can also burn any iTunes track to CD. Only limit is you can only burn 5 copies of a playlist before you have to change the songs in the playlist. Which means if you or your friend spring for the cost of a CD, you can share any song you like, as many times as you like, with whomever you like, just like other physical media.

    I think that's a super middle-ground. Steve Jobs has discussed MANY times that DRM will be cracked, but FairPlay is pretty good. Apple puts a sticker on all their iPods that says, "Please don't steal music." Please point me to a better approach to DRM or filesharing scheme. Yes, DRM sucks, but it's not going anywhere if you want to use downloaded RIAA music.

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  11. iTunes set the best standard by augustz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love folks complaining about "crippled" iTunes songs.

    They forget that Apple has SET THE STANDARD for sensible DRM that is reasonable for the consumer.

    I've been around a long time, and have seen plenty of stupid stuff. Divx (in the DVD space) moved things back, lawsuits and claims about the mp3 format itself, a joke.

    But I've also got a sense of history. Before apple came along legal online music was GHASTLY.

    You think iTunes is "laden" and "crippled" with DRM? People have forgotten that before apple came along there was a fragmented music space with DRM that meant you couldn't move songs between computers, burn them to CD's, and stores run by companies that were no fun to do business with. Subs, if you canceled, your music vanished.

    For most folks, fairplay is actually fair. Most people don't end up playing on more then five computers. Unlimited burns of a song, and seven burns of a specific CD are reasonably fair. The authorization process isn't terribly painful.

    Remember, the RIAA used to claim on their dumb soundbyting site that making a tape copy of a CD was copyright infringment. And they were probably right, it was.

    The one big issues with iTunes are lack of open source support (tricky, but they should do better here) and the lock-in to iPods as the portable music player for the service. The issue is that software needs to provide the DRM. Luckily for apple they've got a reasonable ipod product. This lockin will have to evolve though of course, open source and linux are not supported so far.

    But from a DRM perspective, they really moved the industry forward. If the media companies had their way we'd be stuck with Sony's ATRAC format.

    So, complaints and props to apple.

    1. Re:iTunes set the best standard by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 2, Informative

      With iTunes, when I buy a song I CAN'T LISTEN TO IT IN MY CAR because it won't let me "export" the song to a format my hardware can parse.

      That's an untrue statement, and it's kind of disappointing that you'd stoop to making it. You can burn an audio CD. A standard, no-funny-business, plays-everywhere audio CD. Which "your hardware" (we're talking about a stereo, right?) can "parse." (We're still talking about a stereo, right? Why all the jargon?)

      If you want to then take that audio CD and go elsewhere with it to compile a CD of MP3s or something, knock yourself out. You're free to do whatever you like with the songs you buy from iTunes. They're yours. You own 'em.

    2. Re:iTunes set the best standard by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Before apple came along legal online music was GHASTLY.

      Well yeah. The RIAA cartel abused it's monopoly power to suppress any legal download market at all for what, half a decade? They imposed a market vacuum. Hell, they created the P2P explosion. Huge market demand, and a conspiracy to create a market vacuum. And markets abhorr a vacuum just as much as nature. Of course a gray/black market exploded to fill that artificial vacuum.

      And after years of countless companies dying to serve the online market, they finally conspired to impose oppressive terms and insane prices. Including DRM. And there is no way DRM can survive in a market except through suppression of competition. Nobody preffers a crippled product. People want to buy MP3's. Had any of the companies allowed MP3 sales they would have absolutely stopped the competition and won alomst total market share online.

      And you want to know WHY Apple's DRM is slightly less oppressive than any of the others? Because the RIAA desperately needed Apple on board to avoide getting nailed for anti-trust violation. The RIAA had conspired to impose exactly identical oppressive terms on all of the other music services. The RIAA would have been a DEAD DUCK had they created all of these Windows services and blatantly abused their power to prohibit any Apple sales. And Apple did not want to use any DRM at all. They wanted to actually offer the product the public wanted to buy, MP3s. The RIAA didn't take the tiny Apple market seriously, and they desperately needed Apple on board, so they bent a little bit and allowed Apple slightly less oppressive terms than anyone else. So obviously iTunes was able to stomp the other services. It was less oppressive and less crippled. It's still a fraction of what it would be if they were actually selling MP3s.

      Side note: While the RIAA is proudly proclaiming signifigant percentage drops year after year, independant labels are popping up left and right and they are seeing double and tripple digit percentage GROWTH.The RIAA's rufusal to sell anything other than DRM crippled crap is hugely fueling this indy growth. Indy labels and artists that can steal away RIAA marketshare by offering the product the customer wants, by offering non-crippled products, by offering MP3s for sale.

      fairplay is actually fair

      Not so long as there is any expectation of DRM enforcment against absolutely NON-INFRINGING use. Not so long as there is any expectation that innocent non-infringing people are felons for making or using Hymn. No, there is nothing "fair" about expecting fair use to be a felony. Fair use isn't simply some "reasonable" selection of uses, fair use is what the LAW says CANNOT be restricted by copyright.

      making a tape copy of a CD was copyright infringment. And they were probably right, it was.

      Baloney. Learn the law. Go read the Supreme Court cases on the subject. This post is long enough without attempting to teach the legalities of fair use.

      complaints and props to apple.

      Well, Apple is pretty much under the thumb of the RIAA. The DRM system wasn't Apple's doing. They fought not to have it at all. They didn't want any DRM and they STILL don't want any DRM.

      Though it really would have been nice had Apple not caved on the issue. Had Apple said we want to sell MP3s, period. I'd have loved to see the RIAA hang on anti-trust conspiracy, for imposing a Windows only market, and for abusing their copyright monopoly to control formats.

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  12. I'd like to think I'm not cracking anything here.. by nvrrobx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I use this to remove the DRM from my legally purchased iTMS files so I can play them on my Phatbox in my car and on my Media Center PC. I'm not distributing them to friends, I'm just doing what I would have otherwise done by burning to CD then ripping back to HD.

    Probably still illegal nonetheless, but I really don't feel very 37331 when I do it.

  13. Re:apple zealots - start your engines by Mononoke · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Ok, I'll bite.

    If it weren't for Apple's DRM on the music sold through the iTMS, there would be no iTMS. No way to buy that one track you like. No way to support the artists that deserve the support. None at all.

    Your turn.

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  14. Shill or just don't care about your rights? by sulli · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With Apple DRM, Apple can take away your use privileges whenever it feels like it. Sure they're being "reasonable" now, but soon enough they will tighten the noose, just like TiVo is doing with ads over fast forward and blocking you from saving the Sopranos.

    If you give up control, you get what you deserve.

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    1. Re:Shill or just don't care about your rights? by rsborg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      With Apple DRM, Apple can take away your use privileges whenever it feels like it. Sure they're being "reasonable" now, but soon enough they will tighten the noose, just like TiVo is doing with ads over fast forward and blocking you from saving the Sopranos.

      If you give up control, you get what you deserve.

      Which I also believe in. I believing in keeping control... perhaps the JHymn creators do as well. However, ranting about how Fairplay is just like all the other DRM is counterproductive. I believe, currently, that Fairplay sets a good standard.. and that JHymn is a nice "ace in the hole" against it.

      Remember, proper "diplomacy" (saying "nice doggie" with the big rock behind your back) doesn't give up control. Just because you're satisfied that other guy is doing what you want, doesn't mean you shouldn't stock up on deterrents.

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  15. there is no DRM when you burn it as audio by johnpaul191 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    once you make your mix CD and burn it as an audio CD all DRM is gone. if you give that mix to your friend Todd and he rips it to his machine (Mac/M$?Linux/bla) there will be no DRM on it anyway.

    iTunes has some limit to the number of burns a playlist can have...... but you can either change the playlist by mixing around one song, or take one burnt CD and just use disc copy on that "master" cd.

  16. "Sensible DRM" Sensible to Who? by asv108 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I love reading posts from Apple fanboys who fail to see the problem with a DRM standard that locks playback to portable devices that our produced by the same company that distributes the music. Apple's "sensible" DRM locks playback to software and hardware made by Apple computer. Sure, you can permit playback on multiple iTunes installations, but that does not free your music playback from the products of ONE company.

    Now if Apple licensed Fairplay playback to device manufactures and software developers, that might change people's opinion but as it stands now, Apple computer has a monopoly of fairplay enabled music playback. I would suggest that Apple open Fairplay, but as we all know, the concept of DRM is simply PKI turned upside down. Its a game of digital hide and seek or "security by obscurity," so it is simply not possible to open source any software based DRM scheme.

    Lets look at this situation from another angle, if Microsoft was the leading online music retailer and used a format that could only be played back on Microsoft hardware and software products, would people be defending them? The hypocrisy and denial of Apple fanboys on /. is so blatant, its not even amusing anymore.

    1. Re:"Sensible DRM" Sensible to Who? by tres · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is just silly. It's like getting mad at Blockbuster because they don't license every other video rental place in town to use the Blockbuster retail outlets to sell their own movies.

      Your argument would almost even make sense if iPod only played music purchased through Apple's iTunes music store. But, the fact is, you can play whatever you want on the hardware (Sorry, Ogg has its place and purposes, but really isn't all that relevant for consumer music playback).

      Apple doesn't own the music, they own the distribution chain. That's all. If you don't like Blockbuster, then you go down the street and buy movies from someone else. Likewise, if you don't like Apple, don't buy. Go buy the same content distributed through another source.

      Apple doesn't guard any doors except to the end-to-end system which they created themselves. They keep no one from creating their own parallel system; Apple "owns" none of the music, nor controls the distribution of content in any other medium.

      If you don't want to play the game, then don't. Go get yourself a copy of emule, start feeling 1337 and pat yourself on the back, man; you're sticking it to the man (Artist? What artist?).

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  17. Re:DRM by anagama · · Score: 5, Interesting

    • Isn't it retarded that we have to crack DRM anyway?

    This isn't flamebait - it's true. DRM costs money - removing it generates revenue. Counterintuitive? Case in point:

    An iBook came into my household this christmas. I had heard about iTunes for years, but not being on Windows or Mac, had never seen more than a screenshot. So anyway, I try it out and buy an album I once had but lost to a departing girlfriend. It was cool, but I also knew it was DRMed - and indeed, when trying the file on my linux box - no joy. I didn't buy any more music after that. No way would I pay for music I can only listen to on one computer (I want it to work at home (linux/new mac), work (linux), studio (linux)). So I didn't buy any more music - then I heard about Jhymn - installed it, stripped the DRM off my files, txr over to my linux box, and voila - lot's of joy.

    That was about a week ago - I've spent over $30 on iTunes in short time since then (it's frighteningly addictive and easy to click "buy" - especially when sleepy late late at night). Without DRM stripping I would have spent a big fat ZERO.

    Moral of the story:I only buy from iTunes BECAUSE I'm able to strip the DRM and play the files on my linux boxes ... a fair use I believe because I can only listen to music on one computer at a time.

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  18. Re:Jon Johansen? by valkraider · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thats not a "link". That is a "URL"

    This is a link.

  19. Re:DRM by zvoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I have no doubt that Apple really doesn't have a problem with you stripping the DRM. As you say, you are now partaking of the crack that is the iTMS, you are happy, Apple is happy.

    But *legally* Apple cannot condone any DRM strip scheme. The problem here is not with Apple.

    All things considered, Fairplay is a pretty amazing concession from the RIAA in the first place.

  20. Crippled is the wrong word. by Hamhock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...a DRM removal application for iTunes song files laden, or 'crippled' as some say,...

    "Crippled" is when something isn't working the way it was intended. Songs from the iTunes Music store work the way they are supposed to. If you don't want DRM laden music, don't buy it.

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  21. Book on Watermarking by Midnight+Warrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    FutureProof said that Apple is putting watermarking in their music and they are looking for the lack of that watermark in future versions of iTunes (both to stop competitors and most likely identify those who would rip from iTunes and resell it illegally). Nothing has stated that the watermark is an Apple-wide watermark (i.e. distributed to all users) or if it is a per user watermark added on top of the Apple watermark (double water-marked).

    Unless this makes your head swim, there is an excellent book that most folks with a bachelor's degree in some field which involved math should be able to read and understand: Information Hiding Techniques - Techniques for Steganography and Digital Watermarking (ISBN 1-580-53035-4), by Katzenbeisse. This and some other related books can been seen at forensics.nl.

    Note: I am not affiliated with any of these publishers or authors, but merely read through the above mentioned book and found it appropriate for the topic.

  22. Re:Insurance? by fingusernames · · Score: 2, Informative

    As this sounded like BS, I did a quick Google:

    http://www.mostchoice.com/business_insurance_cri me _overview.html

    Found others too.

    As a business owner, believe me, there is insurance for pretty much anything. The only question is whether the premiums are worth it. My broker would be happy to fill you in. :-)

    Larry

  23. Re:DRM by macjohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You seem to be under the (mistaken) impression that iTMS makes any money. By the time they pay the royalties and pay for the infrastructure, there's essentially nothing left. Apple runs iTMS solely to sell iPods; that's the only place the money is.

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  24. Re:DRM by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly! As if I don't have enough coasters as it is! Plus, copy to disk, move it to another computer -- that's so "sneaker net". Why bother with a LAN if you're just going to copy-walk-copy. And last of all, I can't play actual cds on my computers because for at least the last several years, I've been too lazy to connect the cd player to the sound card - just more effort than it's worth.

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  25. Re:DRM by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your life would have been oh so much easier if you'd just found that little "burn" button in the upper right-hand corner of the iTunes window.

    Why did you choose to do it the hard way? And more important, are you trying to say that the only place you've got copies of these songs that you bought and paid for is on hard drives? Why didn't you burn them to CD anyway for permanent safe-keeping?

  26. Did you read the article? by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Informative
    And multiple releases of iTunes since then have done nothing to stop these files from playing - which it cannot do because they are now identical to files that you rip from CD yourself with AAC!!

    Uh dude 3/4 of the article was about why that is not true at all. Two reasons were given. First, Ipod and Itunes memorizes what songs were bought from the music store. If it sees that song with out the DRM it wont play. Amusingly it will play on any machine that did not purchase that song, it just wont play on a machine that did purchase it. Second, apple may be watermarking the songs. So these songs ARE distinguishable from songs you ripped yourself to AAC.

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  27. intended by whom? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing is, the word "intended" means very different things to the user downloading the songs than it does to the people selling them.

    You can't say "works as intended" to a user of the songs, because their intent is different than the DRM designers. DRM is never built to help the customer in any way, only to restrict end-user rights.

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  28. Re:I'd BUY songs on iTunes if they were DRM free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    JHymm's method = no loss of sound quality, the file is the original AAC data.

    Goofy burn to CD and re-encode method = much loss of quality, creation of artifacts etc.

    Enough said.

  29. Re:I'd BUY songs on iTunes if they were DRM free by rollerbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People always seem to use the CD-R burning argument in Apple's defence. If you take these steps, you've got a library full of paid-for music that's been compressed twice. Yuk.

    If you buy music from iTunes, none of your music is of archival quality. For that, you need to store your music as AIFF of FLAC files.

    In an ideal world, where everyone has lots of bandwidth and storage, people would buy their music online in FLAC format, which they can do whatever they like with: burn to CD, convert to MP3 etc. Sadly, that's not the direction we're going in.

  30. Re:Why We Like Breaking DRM by shark72 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " If you want to "support your artists," then you shouldn't give money to the RIAA companies. Fact is that the vast majority of the money you pay for CDs doesn't go to the artists, but to the corporate coffers."

    Huh? About 30% of the price you pay for a CD goes to the store that sells it to you. Likewise, most of the money that the record company gets for the CD goes to paying the various people who helped create the CD. "Corporate coffers" sounds like you think it's going into some Gringots-style bank; the reality is that when you buy a CD, a mouse, or most any other consumer good, most of the money you pay ends up paying somebody's salary. In fact, the record industry makes do with margins that are lower than the PC mouse industry, so it's likely that if you buy a CD and a mouse, a higher percentage of the cash you paid for the CD will end up going to help somebody make their living.

    "Why do we like breaking DRM? Because if I pay for something, I might want do things with it. You know, throw it on a few computers, play it in my stereo downstairs and also have a copy up at my summer home (I'm dreaming). The Constitution gives us that right, and calls it Fair Use. DRM attempts to defeat our constitutional rights, something that nerds don't like, you dig?"

    The constitution says nothing about "fair use rights," and neither does US copyright law. If you'd like to learn more, you can read what US code has to say about fair use. There's also the Wikipedia entry and EFF primer. Fair use doctrine gives you a set of legal outs if you're brought into court for copyright infringement (ie. you can attempt to use the guidelines in that section to show that your actions were fair use), but fair use doctrine most definitely does not disallow a rightsholder from taking steps to prevent their work from being copied in an unauthorized manner.

    Either way, you're allowed, under fair use doctrine, to make a copy of music you've purchased for personal use. I do this all the time with stuff I've purchased from iTunes, without breaking their DRM -- the folks at Apple who set up the DRM policies took a sensible approach, and their DRM allows me to move tracks between multiple iPods, make backups of the tracks, burn them to CD as often as I want, and even burn multiple copies for friends (which is definitely not fair use, but iTunes doesn't stop me from doing it anyway). In short, Apple's DRM has not stopped me from doing anything I've wanted to that would fall under the realm of fair use. Apple's DRM does not allow me to put a track in a P2P share directory so dozens of people I don't know can download it and listen to it, but that's not "fair use" by any stretch of the imagination.

    If you ever come across a music download service that doesn't allow you to make copies for personal use, then that service is retarded and will hopefully die the death it deserves. Apple's DRM is remarkably easy-going, and I think this is one of the reasons that the iTMS is such a wild success.

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