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Simulating the Universe with a zBox

An anonymous reader writes "Scientists at the University of Zurich predict that our galaxy is filled with a quadrillion clouds of dark matter with the mass of the Earth and size of the solar system. The results in this weeks journal Nature, also covered in Astronomy magazine, were made using a six month calculation on hundreds of processors of a self-built supercomputer, the zBox. This novel machine is a high density cube of processors cooled by a central airflow system. I like the initial back of an envelope design. Apparently, one of these ghostly dark matter haloes passes through the solar system every few thousand years leaving a trail of high energy gamma ray photons."

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  1. Hmm by SilentChris · · Score: 3, Funny

    Looks like MS will need to come up with a new name for the Xbox 3.

  2. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    At the center of the box is a small piece of fairy cake

  3. zBox taking a nap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    zBox has been slashdotted, vat do ve do now? Ve relax and eat some cheese and chocolate, jawohl!

  4. Karma whore time - here is the "scoop" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    [Picture of loads a wires in what looks like a thousand desktops interlinked]

    Our in-house designed (Joachim Stadel & Ben Moore 2003), massively parallel supercomputer for running our cosmological N-body simulations. This machine consists of 288 AMD Athlon-MP 2200+ (1.8 GHz) CPUs within a few cubic meters. Under load it produces about 45 kW of heat, about equivalent to 45 electric hair dryers operating continuously! This amount of heat, combined with the extremely high density necessitated a new design for efficient cooling. The 144 nodes (2 CPUs per node) are connected using an SCI fast interconnect supplied by Dolphin in a 12x12 2-dimensional torus. The layout of the machine is ring-like, thereby allowing very short "ribbon" cables to be used between the nodes. This fast interconnect network attains a peak bisection bandwidth of 96 Gbits/sec, with a node-node write/read latency as low as 1.5/3.5 microseconds. Additionally the zBox has 11.5 TBytes of disk (80 GBytes/node) and 3 Gbits/s I/O bandwidth to a frontend server with 7 TB of RAID-5 storage. This is among the fastest parallel computers in the world! At "first light" it ranked in the top 100, but the technology advances quickly. (see top500, June 2003: Rank 144) (see top500, November 2003: Rank 276)

    We greatly acknowledge the aid of the Physics Mechanical Workshop at the University of Zurich for: 1) turning the "napkin-sketch" into a proper CAD/CAM design of the machine; 2) providing numerous suggestions which improved the detailed design; 3) providing a gigantic room for the construction of the boards; 4) and, well, building the thing! We thank the companies of Dolphin (dolphinics.com) for supplying the high speed network and COBOLT Netservices for supplying the majority of parts. We would like to especially thank the individuals: Doug Potter and Simen Timian Thoresen for their great help in setting up the linux kernel and root file system, getting netbooting to work correctly, and resolving several operating system related problems. Finally we thank all who helped in the construction of the zBox (assembly of boards, etc), Tracy Ewen, Juerg Diemand, Chiara Mastropietro, Tobias Kaufman

  5. Just great... by chiph · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...you just slashdotted Switzerland. Who's next, tough guy? Andorra?

    Chip H.

  6. Read the entire paper: astro-ph 0501589 by StupendousMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can read the entire paper in PDF or PS at astro-ph, a web site which collects preprints in the physical sciences. See

    http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0501589

    I read the paper quickly. The authors have to come up with a model which has virtually no observable consequences (otherwise, we would have seen this source of matter by now), but which can also be tested experimentally in the not-too-distant-future (or else it wouldn't be science). They predict that some of the cosmic-ray shower telescopes may be able to detect the little cloudlets of dark matter. We'll see.

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    1. Re:Read the entire paper: astro-ph 0501589 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      We'll see.

      Only if we can shed some light on the matter.

    2. Re:Read the entire paper: astro-ph 0501589 by StupendousMan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There are plenty of events and areas of study which aren't directly experimentally verifiable but which are considered science. Like evolutionary biology and big bang cosmology.

      Both of which contain some testable statements (e.g. in cosmology, inflation predicts certain properties in the microwave background on specific angular scales), and some untestable statements. Scientists (ought to) ignore the latter.

      Science is not as easy to define as most people (including most /.ers) like to imagine. If it were, the philosophy of science wouldn't be a very interesting discipline.

      I'm a practicing scientist. I don't find the philosophy of science intereresting at all; it annoys me. I wonder what fraction of practicing scientists do enjoy the philosophy of science ...

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  7. Dark matter passing through the solar system by slashname3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So one of these dark matter clouds may pass through the solar system every few thousand years? Have they taken the next step and hypothesized that such an event could account for major climate changes? Like the event that killed off the dinosaurs?

    1. Re:Dark matter passing through the solar system by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Interesting
      So one of these dark matter clouds may pass through the solar system every few thousand years? Have they taken the next step and hypothesized that such an event could account for major climate changes? Like the event that killed off the dinosaurs?

      It'd be interesting if these things could be tied to mass extinctions, but these occur much more rarely than every few thousand years. And unless these clouds can account for high levels of iridium, shocked quartz, melt glass, and a hundred-mile impact crater in Mexico, it's not terribly likely they account for the dinosaur extinction.

    2. Re:Dark matter passing through the solar system by 0racle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it was really dense dark matter.

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    3. Re:Dark matter passing through the solar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are searches for such types of objects (called MACHOs - Massive Astrophysical Compact Halo Objects), usually by searching for gravitational lensing. To account for the dark matter, there would have to be trillions of these objects in the galaxy and they will ocassionally pass in front of other stars (or galaxies). When that happens, the bending of light from the gravitational well of the MACHO can cause the background star to become brighter. Several experiments are currently searching for this brightening (which usually lasts several weeks).

      But there is another reason why we think dark matter is more exotic. Studies of the Big Bang show that there must have been a large component of matter that doesn't interact electromagnetically (i.e. doesn't absorb or radiate light). This excludes protons and neutrons (baryons) that make up balls of gas and jupiter-like objects. Since there was likely something exotic back during the Big Bang, it's commonly believed this unknown matter would still be around and account for the dark matter today.

      While the astronomers referred to those early dark matter candidates as MACHOS, the new particles have been dubbed WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles). Who says astronomers don't have a sense of humor....

    4. Re:Dark matter passing through the solar system by Bay+Boy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, I agree but do you think it would be a handy excuse for speeding? After all when Mr Plod pulls you over and asks the fatefull question that you can ONLY get wrong: "Is there any reason for you to be speeding today?" He's hardly likely to expect you to say that it was a direct result of the "trail of high energy gamma ray photons." flying past... ...suddenly boosting your car's already powerfull turbo and causing you to speed uncontrollably.

  8. Photo Story by gustgr · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://krone.physik.unizh.ch/~stadel/zBox/story.ht ml

    The 3D temperature monitor is really cool.

  9. Mirror by Rufus211 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe they should have use the zbox to host their site =)

    http://rufus.hackish.org/~rufus/mirror/krone.physi k.unizh.ch/~stadel/zBox/

  10. For some reason .... by Doverite · · Score: 5, Funny

    All it keeps saying is 42...42...42...42...

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  11. Re:I don't understand... by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem in question is the number of distinguishable bodies. With weather you would have to go down to the single molecule in the air, to get a quite good prediction. In fact current weather models use cubes of air where the conditions are considered constant (same temperature, same pressure, same direction of air flow in the same cube) and take them as distinguishable bodies. Those models are a compromise between the sheer number of necessary elements, the number crunching limits of current calculation hardware and the difference between the used model and the reality.

    With stellar bodies it's much more easy. The number of stellar bodies you need for a prediction is much smaller, the bodies themself can be considered almost constant for the whole calculation etc.pp. With the number crunching capacity of today's weather prediction centers you can simulate whole galaxies (if you consider stars constant, which they mainly are for about 10mio to 10bio years, depending on their mass). With the differences between your model and the measured reality you can spot elements you didn't simulate yet and add them to your model. The swiss team now was simulating clouds of about the mass of the earth and the size of the solar system and found that those added to the stellar simulation made a quite good fit to the measured data.

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  12. I was wondering what the power supply would be... by deft · · Score: 2, Funny

    but then I read in the article:
    "and had sufficient forced air through the heat exchangers to transport the heat from a small car out of this small room."

    Suprising.

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  13. theoretical background by tengwar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wonder if anyone can answer a naive question for me. As I understand it, the solar wind consists of charged particles moving outwards from the sun. (a) Do these have a net charge? (b) If so, does this mean that there is a net movement of charge outwards from the galaxy?

    The reason I'm interested is that a non-neutral charge distribution would tend to attract the outer part of the galaxy towards the centre more than would be expected from gravity alone, which is (simplistically) the evidence for dark matter / energy.

    1. Re:theoretical background by chazR · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand it, the solar wind consists of charged particles moving outwards from the sun. (a) Do these have a net charge?


      No. There's no net charge. If one developed between the sun and the solar wind, the solar wind would fall straight back in.

      A good primer on dark energy can be found here
  14. AMD does it again... by krang321 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "All 288 CPUs shipped by AMD worked perfectly and none needed to be replaced" My 500Mhz AMD works perfectly... as long as I use reliable software (Linux) not that other product - what's it called again... XPee?

  15. Actually, this could be a good design for offices by panurge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I actually thought myself a few months ago about putting a group of 4 HDs and 4 mobos on a large aluminium plate, placing in a wide, flat enclosure and feeding air in at the center and out via 4 peripheral ducts to build a 4-way unit that could sit under a set of office desks arranged roughly in a square. The benefit is that the hardware takes up zero usable desk space, is well protected from physical damage, and the under-desk air flow results in low noise. For high density offices (e.g. call centers) with all power and network connections feeding in to the center of the desk clusters, this could be a very efficient arrangement. It's nice to know I was beaten to it by a Swiss supercomputer.

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  16. 6 Months? by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the computer ran for 6 months straight using 1.8GHz processors, couldn't they have waited several months and utilized newer CPUs running at double the speed, halving the computation time?

    Regarding their design, I'm somewhat surprised they used an individual power supply for each board. It seems there would be more efficient and smaller power systems available that could power multiple boards at once. It looks like a quarter of the volume of the computer is comprised of power supplies. Plus all that extra heat is thrown into the mix too.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:6 Months? by wizard_of_wor · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's Zeno's Paradox meets Moore's Theorem.

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    2. Re:6 Months? by ottffssent · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you pervert Moore's law into a statement of speed, you end up coming out ahead for any computation that

      1) is CPU-bound rather than interconnect-bound or disk-bound or memory-bound
      2) will take 3 years+ with current technology / budget, and
      3) produces no useful intermediate results

      At 3 years, you come out even buying current tech and running it for 3 years versus waiting 18 months and buying spending the same money on tech that can do the job in 18 months.

      There are few such computations. Note that the universe simulation being discussed here does not qualify, even if it were run for the requisite 3 years. Clearly interconnect latency/bandwidth was a significant concern, necessitating special high-speed components and a torus topography.

  17. Re:Doing it the old fashioned way by wizard_of_wor · · Score: 2, Informative

    My guesses are: 1) Cost. A commercial 1U dual processor pizza box is actually very expensive for the computing power, compared to the do-it-yourself method. Of course, you're mostly paying for support, overhead, the brand name, and a sturdy, cool-looking case. 2) Cost. Commerical racks can be pretty pricey, too. 3) I/O speed. The zBox is wired up for good inter-CPU throughput, whereas you lose significant speed with the typical ethernet patchboard scheme you find in a commerical rackspace. Of these (3) is probably the most important.

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  18. Wow... by ccharles · · Score: 4, Funny

    a self-built supercomputer

    I thought we where years away from having to defend ourselves against the machines...

  19. WOW by CiXeL · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thats alot of porn!

  20. Difference is the time frame I'd guess by hajihill · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you were trying to predict rain in the next six months it would be a lot easier than predicting it with any real useful accuracy.

    It's the difference between saying it does rain, and when it will. On this scale they are just explaining a phenomena that can happen every so often, in a stellar sense. I'm guessing this eases the difficulty of computation from what would be necessary to predict the number of years before the next occurrence.

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  21. Re:I don't understand... by orangesquid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for a simulation engine that models the subatomic and atomic particles' behaviors.

    Basically, I want a program that simulates chemical reactions. If I have a bunch of molecules mixed together, and I add another mixture, what will happen, on the atomic level?

    We have SPICE for electrical circuits. Why not something for chemical reactions?

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  22. Re:I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I remember correctly, chemical reactions happen at the atomic level, not subatomic.
    Here is a GPL program, there are plenty of others (commercial and FOSS):
    http://ruby.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/~martin/chemtoo l/chemtool.html

  23. Re:I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The problem in question is the number of distinguishable bodies. With weather you would have to go down to the single molecule in the air, to get a quite good prediction"

    This is utter nonsense.

    Weather models are fluid models, not particle models like the N-body simulation described here. They are quite different, and require different computational approaches. Both are numerically intensive, however.

  24. Re:I don't understand... by orangesquid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, you'd have to have a capture/drawing tool like Chemtool, and then something that could approximate polarity, electrical charge distribution, and bond length/strength. (Those involve things like electron orbitals, hence the subatomic.) Next, you'd have to have something that handles movement of fluids and gases with respect to the temperature, pressure, etc (gas laws and the partial diff. eqns. whose exact solution is one of the Clay instutite Millenium problems). Then, you'd have to have something that will predict what happens, probabilistically, when two or more molecules interact. These interactions would have to modeled in terms of molecular collisions, so that things like titration, stirring, etc, would be accurate.

    Finally, you'd have something which would prepare an "answer" to each problem by waiting for a reasonable amount of precipitate to settle, or measuring pH, or simulating a gas chromatograph of the contents of the beaker.

    Other helpful things would be crystallization and such. I would think that if you could simulate the physical laws and properties at a sufficiently low level, most things would arise automatically, but IANAC.

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